driver face coating

[PCTBarrington]

I have developed a new coating that would change the surface of titanium to ceramic. I am wondering what interesting effects it would have on a driver performance? I am looking for a driver manufacture to do R&D with. 

[whiskey golf]

I'm not sure this would be legal for play. And it could change club head weight, feel, and some other stuff. It depends how the ball comes off the face. It could come off differently or it may act the same as titanium. Ceramic isn't very durable so I would imagine that this wouldn't be the best option for a driver face.

[GolfSpy WD]

I'm with whiskey. Seems like it would add weight to the face where there's already plenty of weight. Would ceramic have any rebound?

 

Would love to hear further insights though.

[Salmon]

I'm curious if it will turn it into a sort of titanium ceramic composite material. Would be interesting to find out what the final material properties would be like

[Blade]

Flexible ceramic? Added to a driver or whole new face design from scratch?

[Salmon]

I would hazard a guess and say it could be a manufacturing treatment to a titanium face to improve its structural properties. But I could be wrong

[whiskey golf]

It sounds like he is just putting a layer of ceramic over the face. Not mixing two materials or anything that sophisticated. Unless this is some type of new ceramic, I can't imagine this would work because wouldn't the ceramic crack when hitting a golf ball?

[Salmon]

It could be. I read it as a coating that can be applied to a base metal that would change the material properties of the suface, similar to anodizing aluminium or an oxide layer or some sort. Looking forward to when PCTB adds more!

[PCTBarrington]

Hi All and thanks for the comments and questions. To be honest I do not know what performace changes would happen if I coated a titanium driver face? It would need testing

 

The procces is like anodizing or hard-coat. It converts (key word) the surface to ceramic. The layer (oxide as mentioned)  not thick and very controlable and it moves or flexes with the base material. Being ceramic it would wear very well. 

 

I am not a golf driver expert but I do understand the driver trampoline effect. I would like to learn what could happen if the driver face or entire head was coated, outside, inside? Frequency or harminic changes, sound, spin control, loft? By the way the coating holds paint very well. 

 

I'd be happy to connect with a driver manufacture and run no-charge  samples. Anyone know a way or has an idea? 

 

Steve 

[MarcKilgore]

So you have no idea if it will help or hurt the performance of a club? You just want to do it because it sounds cool? Am I the only one completely lost here? You do know that they have materials engineers that spend all day doing nothing but this kind of stuff, right? MacGregor had some clubs in the mid 1960's with a ceramic face. It chipped easily and was abandoned.

[MarcKilgore]

http://www.google.com/patents/US3975023

Patented in the early 1970's and it never went anywhere.

[PCTBarrington]

Thanks for that link. I expect this was a ceramic plate fitted in a classic wood were the steel plate was fitted?

 

Technology then I expect is far different than what I am describing. There are ceramic technologies today that are dipped or sprayed, these are applied coatings. The PCT converts the surface so it's atomically part of the actual surface.

 

I am doing business development for this PCT process. The industrial applications are easy to define, increased wear and chemical and salt resistant more than any other coating on the market. There are dielectric and small thermo qualities too. I believe it's the hardness and mechanical properties that would be of interest to the club makers.

 

The ceramic layer is quite ductile we have proven this in industrial many applications. The driver application is of  interest as it is unconventional. I am interested to see if I can get product tested and see what the results are or what other design innovations this may lead the driver manufactures to? Driver technology as we all know is a mix of science and engineering that we all hope makes the ball go straighter and longer.

 

[MarcKilgore]

I am not near smart or interested enough in this to be of any help, but good luck!

[RookieBlue7]

Will this increase COR?

[Salmon]

Thats how I thought the coating was going to work, have no idea how it would end up impacting the performance of a driver but would depend on the placement and application of the coating to alter specs. Hope you get in contact with an R & D place and it goes somwhere. I did a little bit of material engineering during my degree and would be interested in the final outcome

[PCTBarrington]

thanks for the input from all. Does anyone have a contact at any small or big driver manufacture? I wonder which one is the most open to innovation? 

[Salmon]

I would maybe have a look at either the long drive manufacturers and maybe some of the smaller OEM's listed in the 2014 most wanted would be worth having a chat too

[GolfSpy WD]

You'll probably have more luck with the component guys like Hireko or golfworks. Both have contact info on their sites.

[PCTBarrington]

Hi What is COR? I am hoping to find a driver manufacture to partner and do some R&D. 

If anyone has ideas I'd love to hear them? I really appreciate everyones contribution 

[PCTBarrington]

great tips I will pursue 

[Blade]

COR is Coefficient of restitution.  It's a measurement of how much energy from the club is transferred to the ball.  USGA limits it to .83.