JohnBarry Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Well, was in Glen Allen Virginia for last weekend hanging out with some family friends, pool, BBQ, and we were playing Golf Sunday morning, but Country Club hook up fell through. Went to the brand new Golf Smith there, 6 Sims to hit tons of demo clubs. I must be getting old, swing speed with the driver is down to about 86 mph average. Two things stood out: 1. Jet Speed Driver, is the thing so light? I was hitting 105 mph with it and it felt very good. 2. The best driver by far, both distance and accuracy was the Cobra Baffler XL..it wasn't even close. Average around 87 mph, and about 260 distance wise, while the next closest was about 220. How could one driver be sooooo different. Making me want to buy it sooo badly, but I don't get fooled by the simulators. John Barry Bring the Funk, Back to Golf The Golfer's Trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey golf Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I hate simulators at big golf stores. There are some good ones but there are plenty of lying ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Most simulators at big box stores are about as truthful as a politician. I went to the opening of a Golfsmith near me and pulled a Titleist driver out of the demo bag and paying no attention to shaft or set-up of the driver and proceeded to hit it 35 yards further than what I am currently playing. WITB 2024 Qi10 LS 9* HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60g 6.5 M5 15* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Sim Ti 22* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Sim2 Rescue 22* Diamana Thump 100x X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 The overall numbers may not be correct,but the numbers between different drivers is still the same, at least that's what I have found. The difference between each driver at least for me was the back spin, 4000 rpm backspin, the ball goes 210, same swing with backspin down to 2200 ball goes 260. Different drivers give different numbers Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 My favorite Simulator story goes like this... A few years back, I was working on the sales floor, and ended up helping a customer with new TaylorMade Drivers. He wanted to hit a very specific RBZ loft and flex. I took him out to the range, and had him warm up, then hit the driver that he requested. At that time, I had spent close to 7 years fitting players on our outdoor range, and I feel like I have fairly good grasp as to how far it is to certain landmarks on the range. My customer was consistently landing around 210-215, and rolling another 5-15 yards more. When he asked me how far they were going, I responded that they were carrying 210-215, and rolling another 5-15, for a total of 220-230. He proceeds to tell me that he is going to buy it at DICKS, because over there, on the SIMULATOR, he was hitting it over 280. I watched this guy hit 50 shots. He will NEVER hit a tee shot 280, unless it hits the cartpath, or is on a simulator. HOWEVER, he went to DICKS and bought a driver, and PAID MORE for it. Do not believe for a second that the sims are not jacked up for that very reason.. Driver - Ping G430 Max 9° | Ventus Blue TR Hybrid - ZX 16° & 18° | GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 17° | AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 MKII 4-Pw | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Wedges - RTX 6 Tour Rack 50° 54° 58° | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Putter - L.A.B. Golf Link.1 | LA Golf P135 shaft | Garsen Quad Tour grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 My favorite Simulator story goes like this... A few years back, I was working on the sales floor, and ended up helping a customer with new TaylorMade Drivers. He wanted to hit a very specific RBZ loft and flex. I took him out to the range, and had him warm up, then hit the driver that he requested. At that time, I had spent close to 7 years fitting players on our outdoor range, and I feel like I have fairly good grasp as to how far it is to certain landmarks on the range. My customer was consistently landing around 210-215, and rolling another 5-15 yards more. When he asked me how far they were going, I responded that they were carrying 210-215, and rolling another 5-15, for a total of 220-230. He proceeds to tell me that he is going to buy it at DICKS, because over there, on the SIMULATOR, he was hitting it over 280. I watched this guy hit 50 shots. He will NEVER hit a tee shot 280, unless it hits the cartpath, or is on a simulator. HOWEVER, he went to DICKS and bought a driver, and PAID MORE for it. Do not believe for a second that the sims are not jacked up for that very reason.. Wait a minute, let me see if I get this, he bought the same driver that he tried with you from Dick's because their simulator said that he hit it farther there? And he paid more for it because of that and he probably didn't actually purchase the same driver that he hit it "280" with. Huh? I guess it would make sense that he purchased the driver at Dicks because it takes one, oh wait I'm a pastor I better not finish that thought. Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanUsh Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I agree with Lefty that they may be off but all drivers hit on it will be off by the same amount. Thats why if i go i bring my current driver as a constant knowing how far I hit and seeing how much it is off on a launch monitor. I went to the golfsmith by me and the numbers were off maybe 7 yards. The guy on the floor also told me there is a plus minus and didnt BS me. Bag: Hoofer Vantage Driver: G25 10.5 Aldila NV 65 S 3 Wood: Fly Z+ 3 Wood 13.5* Rescue: XTD ti 18* set to 17* or Pro 23* Irons: Apex Pro 4-PW, KBS Tour S, Standard Length and Loft, 2* flat, Wedges: Mack Daddy 2 50* bent to 51*, KBS Tour S Spin Milled 56* bent to 55* Mack Daddy 2 60* U grind KBS Tour S Putter: Futura X5 MOTO Grips: PURE DTX Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Wait a minute, let me see if I get this, he bought the same driver that he tried with you from Dick's because their simulator said that he hit it farther there? And he paid more for it because of that and he probably didn't actually purchase the same driver that he hit it "280" with. Huh? Correct. Same driver, paid more, because "It went further on the thingy" Mind = blown.... Driver - Ping G430 Max 9° | Ventus Blue TR Hybrid - ZX 16° & 18° | GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 17° | AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 MKII 4-Pw | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Wedges - RTX 6 Tour Rack 50° 54° 58° | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Putter - L.A.B. Golf Link.1 | LA Golf P135 shaft | Garsen Quad Tour grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 He should have ordered the thingy and insisted that each drive be placed where it said he was driving it to. Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 My favorite Simulator story goes like this... A few years back, I was working on the sales floor, and ended up helping a customer with new TaylorMade Drivers. He wanted to hit a very specific RBZ loft and flex. I took him out to the range, and had him warm up, then hit the driver that he requested. At that time, I had spent close to 7 years fitting players on our outdoor range, and I feel like I have fairly good grasp as to how far it is to certain landmarks on the range. My customer was consistently landing around 210-215, and rolling another 5-15 yards more. When he asked me how far they were going, I responded that they were carrying 210-215, and rolling another 5-15, for a total of 220-230. He proceeds to tell me that he is going to buy it at DICKS, because over there, on the SIMULATOR, he was hitting it over 280. I watched this guy hit 50 shots. He will NEVER hit a tee shot 280, unless it hits the cartpath, or is on a simulator. HOWEVER, he went to DICKS and bought a driver, and PAID MORE for it. Do not believe for a second that the sims are not jacked up for that very reason.. Oh, I believe it! I hit irons at Dick's and was hitting a 6 iron to 180 yds. well, not me! I generally hit a 6 iron around 170. I was consistently at 180-185 on their monitor. As we all know.... or should, it's about getting your money while feeding your ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBarry Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 My thing was just how much difference in distance the Baffler was and how much more swing speed the Jet Speed was..I pay no attention or hold any illusion I can take those stats to the range or course. 134.00 for the Baffler, really tempting me to buy it John Barry Bring the Funk, Back to Golf The Golfer's Trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozcycle Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So, the Box Stores can "Fix" their Sims to register the drives farther than they actually would be? How do they do that? Driver: 0311 XF 10.5* w/Project X Cypher 40 gram Senior shaft or 0811 XF 12* w/Evenflo Riptide CB Senior shaft Fairways: 0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft Hybrid: None in bag at the moment Irons: Titleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour Wedges: Edison forged 49*, 53* and 57* wedges with KB PGI Senior shafts(80 grm). Putter: 33” Evnroll ER6R or ER2 or Bellum Winmore Model 707, or Nike Method Core Drone w/Evnroll Gravity Grip Bag: Vice cart bag(Black/Lime). Ball: Snell MTB Prime X, Maxfli Tour/S/X CG, Titleist Pro V1x or Titleist TruFeel Using Shot Scope X5 and Pinned Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So, the Box Stores can "Fix" their Sims to register the drives farther than they actually would be? How do they do that? There are several ways that I can think of. In the spirit of Full Disclosure, I have no knowledge that any store does this on a regular basis, or that this practice is a corporate decision. I am just guessing. If you are hitting into a net 15 feet away, the LM can only capture that much flight, and has to extrapolate the rest of the flight based on what it has seen. If the LM user sets the fairway type to "Firm" and the temp to 90* and humidity to 95%, gives a helping tailwind.... you can see the possibilities. All of these types of settings are possible with even the most basic of monitors these days. I don't expect that many of the readers here would get fooled, because most have too much knowledge regarding ball speed numbers and spin rates to be swayed by a jacked up total distance number.. HOWEVER, the normal consumer who just wants to "Get Fit" and goes to one of these places, is usually just "Getting Sold". *Rant Over* Driver - Ping G430 Max 9° | Ventus Blue TR Hybrid - ZX 16° & 18° | GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 17° | AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 MKII 4-Pw | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Wedges - RTX 6 Tour Rack 50° 54° 58° | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Putter - L.A.B. Golf Link.1 | LA Golf P135 shaft | Garsen Quad Tour grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozcycle Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I had no idea that they could set parameters to affect the monitor. Thanks for the knowledge. Driver: 0311 XF 10.5* w/Project X Cypher 40 gram Senior shaft or 0811 XF 12* w/Evenflo Riptide CB Senior shaft Fairways: 0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft Hybrid: None in bag at the moment Irons: Titleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour Wedges: Edison forged 49*, 53* and 57* wedges with KB PGI Senior shafts(80 grm). Putter: 33” Evnroll ER6R or ER2 or Bellum Winmore Model 707, or Nike Method Core Drone w/Evnroll Gravity Grip Bag: Vice cart bag(Black/Lime). Ball: Snell MTB Prime X, Maxfli Tour/S/X CG, Titleist Pro V1x or Titleist TruFeel Using Shot Scope X5 and Pinned Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I had no idea that they could set parameters to affect the monitor. Thanks for the knowledge. Sure Thing. I think that in a perfect world, the atmospheric settings would be used to set to monitor to most closely mirror the actual playing conditions that local consumers would find. For example, if you live in Colorado Springs, you might want the ability to set the LM to 6000 feet so that you get very accurate results. On the flip side, if you play in the PNW, where we live, setting the fairway type to soft and humidity to 30% or lower and low temps gives the most consistent real world results that I have found. I have run across one unscrupulous "Fitter" that showed me his settings.... The results were astounding.. It is very easy to gain 20+ yards with simple atmospheric changes.. Driver - Ping G430 Max 9° | Ventus Blue TR Hybrid - ZX 16° & 18° | GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 17° | AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 MKII 4-Pw | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Wedges - RTX 6 Tour Rack 50° 54° 58° | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Putter - L.A.B. Golf Link.1 | LA Golf P135 shaft | Garsen Quad Tour grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK in TEXAS Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 How's this for an example. This was my 7 year old: MENTOR, L4 COACH & TRAINER FIRST TEE GREATER HOUSTON HDCP: 8.3 (GHIN: 3143312) In my bag, April 2023 TS3 Driver & 4 Wood Hzrdous Smoke Shaft (Stiff Flex) TS2 Hybrids Mitsubishi Tensei Shaft (Stiff Flex) MP-59 5-PW; KBS Tour (Regular Flex) SM8 Wedges EVNROLL ER2 Putter SRIXON Z-STAR DIAMOND BALL Sun Mountain Cart Bag 4.0 Push Cart (I'm walking 9 outta 10 rounds!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 How's this for an example. This was my 7 year old: image.jpg BWHAHAHAHA.. 230 carry with a 67 mph ball speed?? #impossible. Driver - Ping G430 Max 9° | Ventus Blue TR Hybrid - ZX 16° & 18° | GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 17° | AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 MKII 4-Pw | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Wedges - RTX 6 Tour Rack 50° 54° 58° | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Putter - L.A.B. Golf Link.1 | LA Golf P135 shaft | Garsen Quad Tour grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK in TEXAS Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 BWHAHAHAHA.. 230 carry with a 67 mph ball speed?? #impossible. Funny thing is.....I didn't see her first swing....just heard the hit and looked up at the monitor and was thinking....whaaaaat????? MENTOR, L4 COACH & TRAINER FIRST TEE GREATER HOUSTON HDCP: 8.3 (GHIN: 3143312) In my bag, April 2023 TS3 Driver & 4 Wood Hzrdous Smoke Shaft (Stiff Flex) TS2 Hybrids Mitsubishi Tensei Shaft (Stiff Flex) MP-59 5-PW; KBS Tour (Regular Flex) SM8 Wedges EVNROLL ER2 Putter SRIXON Z-STAR DIAMOND BALL Sun Mountain Cart Bag 4.0 Push Cart (I'm walking 9 outta 10 rounds!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 That's funny I was thinking the same thing about John's original post 87 as and 260 don't compute. He knows that of course but it's exciting to see. I think I'd go back on another day to try drivers regardless. It's hard to imagine one standing out so much above the others. But if it does and it's at that price point that would be way too cool. Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Theoo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Make sure you check the shot boost on the machine as well. I've played around with it during some of my lessons and if it's turned up you can get some outrageous numbers. Driver: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5 FW: F6 baffler set at 16º Hybrid: NONEIrons: 3i 2014 TP CB 4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400 Wedges: 52º 56º 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped Putter: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey golf Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 They should put a zero gravity setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 They should put a zero gravity setting. I think they already have.... image.jpg Driver - Ping G430 Max 9° | Ventus Blue TR Hybrid - ZX 16° & 18° | GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 17° | AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 MKII 4-Pw | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Wedges - RTX 6 Tour Rack 50° 54° 58° | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Putter - L.A.B. Golf Link.1 | LA Golf P135 shaft | Garsen Quad Tour grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Wait a minute, let me see if I get this, he bought the same driver that he tried with you from Dick's because their simulator said that he hit it farther there? And he paid more for it because of that and he probably didn't actually purchase the same driver that he hit it "280" with. Huh? I guess it would make sense that he purchased the driver at Dicks because it takes one, oh wait I'm a pastor I better not finish that thought. ROTFLMAO! Hey Rev just because you are a pastor does not mean you are not human! Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 My favorite Simulator story goes like this... A few years back, I was working on the sales floor, and ended up helping a customer with new TaylorMade Drivers. He wanted to hit a very specific RBZ loft and flex. I took him out to the range, and had him warm up, then hit the driver that he requested. At that time, I had spent close to 7 years fitting players on our outdoor range, and I feel like I have fairly good grasp as to how far it is to certain landmarks on the range. My customer was consistently landing around 210-215, and rolling another 5-15 yards more. When he asked me how far they were going, I responded that they were carrying 210-215, and rolling another 5-15, for a total of 220-230. He proceeds to tell me that he is going to buy it at DICKS, because over there, on the SIMULATOR, he was hitting it over 280. I watched this guy hit 50 shots. He will NEVER hit a tee shot 280, unless it hits the cartpath, or is on a simulator. HOWEVER, he went to DICKS and bought a driver, and PAID MORE for it. Do not believe for a second that the sims are not jacked up for that very reason.. You are probably one of the few honest simulator operators out there. I am not a high tech redneck by any means but I have been around enough that I know how far I hit the ball. I dont care about spin except for the short irons. I get low spin on a driver because I deloft just before impact and I know it. I will hit on the one at Golfsmith now and then because they know me but they know me well enough that they know not to jack me around Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 The big box stores are about selling you product. Remember when Golfsmith sold components. Heads etc. Not any more. Everyone in the business wonders why golf is declining? It's because, golfers are buying advertising and not playing with clubs that can give them enjoyment on the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 I have a legimitite question for you guys. Does a simulator have settings referring to sea level etc. Also down here when the humidity is up you can almost cut the air with a knife. So if it is 90 degrees or so outside here and the air is thick and the inside of my big box store is 72 and air conditioned it will make a difference. Can you set the machine to like duplicate outside conditions and sea level etc? Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 The big box stores are about selling you product. Remember when Golfsmith sold components. Heads etc. Not any more. Everyone in the business wonders why golf is declining? It's because, golfers are buying advertising and not playing with clubs that can give them enjoyment on the course. I echo your sentiments exactly and I will add a little to it. I see a lot of golfers from different parts of the country living in a tourist area. People are led to believe that the newest whiz bang club can instantly shave strokes off your game. They do not take the time to practice at all. I see people come in all the time just before their tee time and most tourist golfers get free range balls with their motel package and they will go on the range and hit 5 or 6 shots with their drivers and nothing else. they do not even practice putting. these same people dont understand why they shoot 100 plus. I do know some people dont have the time to practice like I do with family and jobs but gee whiz at least get to the course in time to loosen up before you play. I also see people take golf lessons and do not practice any at all between lessons to groove in what their instructor taught them. One time we ran a joke at the golf shop with manufacturers claims on this one guy. He was in his 60s and a pretty decent player shot in the mid 80s played every day. We took some of the mfgers claims and spent $1500 and we figgured he could shoot 65 to 67 every day. We did use demos and guess what he did not improve a bit. Goes to show you cant buy a game. I might be a little harsh but you get from golf what you put into it like everything else hard work gives results. I do appreciate some folks play for fun and are happy how they play so be it. There is some merit to modern equipment though but if you aint got a swing or method to begin with aint no new club going to help you Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I have a legimitite question for you guys. Does a simulator have settings referring to sea level etc. Also down here when the humidity is up you can almost cut the air with a knife. So if it is 90 degrees or so outside here and the air is thick and the inside of my big box store is 72 and air conditioned it will make a difference. Can you set the machine to like duplicate outside conditions and sea level etc?I've asked that question too. I think some do like Trackman. Not sure about the humidity setting. But I do know that while humid air feels thick, the ball will fly through it farther than dry air unless it's wet enough to form water drops that the ball has to go through. Water is oxygen and hydrogen. Hydrogen is the lightest element. So if it's displacing nitrogen and other heavier gases, it makes the air lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp0rtsfan86 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I've asked that question too. I think some do like Trackman. Not sure about the humidity setting. But I do know that while humid air feels thick, the ball will fly through it farther than dry air unless it's wet enough to form water drops that the ball has to go through. Water is oxygen and hydrogen. Hydrogen is the lightest element. So if it's displacing nitrogen and other heavier gases, it makes the air lighter. As a meteorologist, this is true. Baseball fliess a lot farther in warm summer humid months then dry and cold. I think most times it can be 2-2.5 club differences for 20-30 degree differences. Just from experience. So if you could adjust it, I mean that could be huge. Driver: Epic Flash 12 Degree Wood: GBB 3 Wood Hybrid: Razr 4 hybriid stiff stock shaft. Irons: X2 Hot 4 iron (pro version) 5 iron - Gap Wedge (non pro version). KBS 120g Shaft stiff cut 1/2 inch bent 1°upright Wedges: 52° 56° and 60°. All grips are Golf pride grips midsized Putter (lefty): Odyssey Metal-X #8 34", stock shaft bent 2° Superstroke grip Golf Balls: 2018-9 Pro-V1x and Prov1s Shoes: Dryjoy tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 You are probably one of the few honest simulator operators out there. I am not a high tech redneck by any means but I have been around enough that I know how far I hit the ball. I dont care about spin except for the short irons. I get low spin on a driver because I deloft just before impact and I know it. I will hit on the one at Golfsmith now and then because they know me but they know me well enough that they know not to jack me around Thing is, Our LM is outside. It is kind of hard to tell someone that the ball is going 285, when it lands on the 210 green.... With a straight face.. Driver - Ping G430 Max 9° | Ventus Blue TR Hybrid - ZX 16° & 18° | GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 17° | AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 MKII 4-Pw | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Wedges - RTX 6 Tour Rack 50° 54° 58° | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Putter - L.A.B. Golf Link.1 | LA Golf P135 shaft | Garsen Quad Tour grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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