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Played in a 4 man/2 ball best ball with a buddy yesterday -- they also had a low gross and a low net competition.  The low gross was even par 72, shot by the head greenskeeper.   The low net was….

 

Wait for it…..

 

53!!!!!

 

Are you freaking kidding me?

 

So, on a reasonably tough course (6400 yards, slope 131), a 10 handicap would have had to have shot around a 63, a 20 around a 73, and so on….more or less.

 

I think we wuz sandbagged!  And it wasn't even subtle!  

 

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19 under?

 

I have a friend who's a sandbagger in that he plays lots of rounds at his club from the tips and is sure to putt everything out, always. In one sense he's not a sandbagger but when you consider that his course is a Nicklaus course that stretches to 7,300 from the tips and he barely hits the ball 220 you get the idea. No way he's breaking 100 under those conditions, his handicap stays around 22 and then he shoots 88-92 from the set of tees he's on in tournaments. Once in a while he'll throw in an 85. He's tough but it's legit. This could be one of those, two best balls, frick and frack, who knows. I used to play that format gross only every week and it normally took 3-5 under to win. Again that was gross and that was for 9 because we'd pay front 9 back nine. I haven't a clue what that would be net because all the players were good, scratch to around 6.

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I'm curious how you work the handicaps in a 2man best ball. Is it the average of both guys or do you figure out how many strokes each guy gets on a hole and then take the best net for each hole individually?

 

Back on topic, yes you were sandbagged

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even par isn't unreasonable for a pair of 10-15 handicaps.  What were they playing as?

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The only reason I don't get angry about things like this anymore is that I found out what everyone who keeps an honest handicap thinks of players like this. I just let them be, knowing that everyone thinks they are tools.

 

Eventually someone will get drunk enough to call them what they are and when no one comes to their defense they will realize how they are perceived.

 

Of course, if they truly don't care then it's irrelevant, but karma is a ******. They will get their first hole in one while playing solo on an empty course.

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even par isn't unreasonable for a pair of 10-15 handicaps. What were they playing as?

 

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BK - the 53 was for the individual low net. The team low net was -33.

 

The team format was a 4 man team, and you counted the two lowest net scores on each hole. So if you had two net birdies, your team was -2 for the hole. We had a 28 handicapper on our team, so he got two strokes on the harder holes. Didn't help - his handicap was honest.

 

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Hybrids:  PXG Gen4 18-degree
Utility Irons: :srixon-small: ZX MkII 20* 
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Now I get it. Yep..,, you got screwed.

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rough. I play in a 9 hole blind scramble most of the time. Most guys are legit... but there's one or two always in every group that go and do some fudging.

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Gotta agree with BK you got screwed royally. That is why I quit playing handicap events over 20 years ago when I got my amateur status back. But I have lost my amateur status again by playing some mini events and calcuttas around 03 04 but I dont give a hoot.  If I am asked and it is connected to business I will play some scrambles around here but if I win any prizes i will donate them back to the charity for a  auction etc. Other mini players and PGA America members do the same. But there is such rampart cheating going on in these events I stay away from them unless I absolutely have to play in them for business concerns etc. But there is some kind of charity scramble going on down her every weekend weather permitting. If I dont play in the event and it is a great charity I will make a cash donation or a club donation for the raffle or auction. My favorite charity is the Shriners even though I am not a member I do support them in their efforts entirely. I dont mind getting beat on the course legimetly but not being cheated. I know the charity is the main thing but I dont like the "cheatfests" or "sandbagger opens".

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Good info here and here

 

Net 53... that means that a 20 hcp shot 73.  #notachance.

 

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Good info here and here

 

Net 53... that means that a 20 hcp shot 73.  #notachance.

 

Awesome.

 

Interesting stuff...

 

I was a little bummed about my round until reading the first article.  Shot an 87 on a course I'd never played before, and had a course handicap of 11…so given that on average, you shoot a few strokes over your course handicap, my round wasn't as crummy as I thought.  :rolleyes:

 

I don't get sandbagging like that for any amount of money.  What makes it comical was that in this case, the prize was only $125.  On the plus side, got to have a great time golfing with a Hack To Jack buddy and a couple of his regular partners.  We had a blast!

 

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BK - the 53 was for the individual low net. The team low net was -33.

The team format was a 4 man team, and you counted the two lowest net scores on each hole. So if you had two net birdies, your team was -2 for the hole. We had a 28 handicapper on our team, so he got two strokes on the harder holes. Didn't help - his handicap was honest.

Now this really makes sense to me or doesn't. One guy had a 53 net on his ball and the team a net 33? That's ridiculous, impossible and they should be DQd.

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Good info here and here

 

Net 53... that means that a 20 hcp shot 73.  #notachance.

 

Awesome.

Great link, thanks. What I don't get is why my friend's handicap hasn't been "tweaked" by his committee. He plays to it or a shade better way too frequently.

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SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft

Ping G410 7, 9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Srixon ZX5 MK II  5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex

India 52,56 (60 pending)  UST recoil 75's R flex  

Evon roll ER 5 32 inches

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Now this really makes sense to me or doesn't. One guy had a 53 net on his ball and the team a net 33? That's ridiculous, impossible and they should be DQd.

 

The -33 team net was for the two best balls in the group.  Two man par for this event would have been 144, so the winning team had a net score of 111.  This one dude was good for 19 of the 33...

 

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Hybrids:  PXG Gen4 18-degree
Utility Irons: :srixon-small: ZX MkII 20* 
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Played a four man scramble last week with me playing off scratch, another off scratch, a 2.1 and a 2.7 in which we shot -17 and did not even place. The guys that won it "posted" -21 and somehow did it with straight faces. One of the guys I played with looked up their handicaps and the lowest was a 12. Also keep in mind that this was a gross event with no strokes for handicaps.

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Statistically impossible....  

 

About 17 years ago, I used to run a fair number of men's club events at my local club and was mainly in charge of scoring and handicapping.  There were always a couple of 18-24 handicaps that came in and had "career rounds" on big tournament days. I'm talking net 55 and the like. I was taking a stats class at the time, and was VERY into the numbers of the whole thing. Long story less long, I communicated with the USGA and a few other organizations regarding handicaps, and it is statistically impossible for a 20 handicap to shoot a gross 73. That player does not possess the skill required to play at that level over a complete round. I cannot happen. Ever. That the handicap system allows this to go on is a complete joke. I hate HATE HATE net events. I am not good enough to compete gross anymore, but I will not subject myself to the Net Cheating that goes on...

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Played a four man scramble last week with me playing off scratch, another off scratch, a 2.1 and a 2.7 in which we shot -17 and did not even place. The guys that won it "posted" -21 and somehow did it with straight faces. One of the guys I played with looked up their handicaps and the lowest was a 12. Also keep in mind that this was a gross event with no strokes for handicaps.

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I hate HATE HATE net events. I am not good enough to compete gross anymore, but I will not subject myself to the Net Cheating that goes on...

 

I'm with you Buddy….the thing that has me shaking my head is that this guy wasn't even coy about cheating.  If you're gonna cheat, at least make it believable.  But then again, if you're gonna cheat, you might as well cheat big.  There's this guy's tombstone epitaph...

 

Reminds me of the old story out of North Korea when "Dear Leader" Kim Jong Il tried golf…and kept getting holes in one on every hole….

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Hybrids:  PXG Gen4 18-degree
Utility Irons: :srixon-small: ZX MkII 20* 
Irons:;  :Sub70:699/699 Pro V2 Combo; :wilson_staff_small: D9 Forged;  :macgregor-small:MT86 (coming soon!); :macgregor-small: VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; 

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: RTX6 Zipcore
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Sorry - double post...

 

What's in the bag:
 
Driver:  :titelist-small:TSR3; :wilson_staff_small: DynaPWR Carbon
FW Wood: :wilson_staff_small: DynaPWR 3-wood; :titleist-small: TSR 2+
Hybrids:  PXG Gen4 18-degree
Utility Irons: :srixon-small: ZX MkII 20* 
Irons:;  :Sub70:699/699 Pro V2 Combo; :wilson_staff_small: D9 Forged;  :macgregor-small:MT86 (coming soon!); :macgregor-small: VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; 

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: RTX6 Zipcore
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Could not agree more. I stopped playing net events over a decade ago when I got tired of shooting gross 71 and losing to a gross 88 net 68.

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Could not agree more. I stopped playing net events over a decade ago when I got tired of shooting gross 71 and losing to a gross 88 net 68.

But at least that's not preposterous like some of the scores being reported here. Statistically a 20 is capable of shooting an 88 just as a 1 might shoot a 69. Both happen on occasion.

 

I prefer events that offer both net and gross prizes. That seems to keep everyone happy.

 

I also don't get why someone who turns in a net 53 isn't immediately punished in some way or another. If the club had the chart that mmmmmbuddy provided they could disqualify and then have his handicap adjusted and frozen for a period of time. Something like that. Florida is much better at this stuff than other places that I've played. If you are entering any sort of net event here you best be well known at the club or have your handicap card with.

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Srixon ZX5 MK II  5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex

India 52,56 (60 pending)  UST recoil 75's R flex  

Evon roll ER 5 32 inches

It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD   

 

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Agreed that it is not out of the realm of possibility, but is is very frustrating shooting one or two under and losing to someone that barely breaks 90.

 

We had a group at my former club that were the biggest abusers of the handicap system but since the six of them spent a ton of coin in the shop it was looked past. Two years in a row two from the group won the B and C flights of the club championship with gross scores lower than the A flight and would have been top six in the Chpionship flight. Maybe I just got tired of losing to them....

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It's a funny thing this one event that I have played in for the last 5 years or so is won every year by 20 or 21 under it is amazing!! funny thing about it is that it was one of those deals where I was playing because my customer was one of the sponsors and had two teams. (the funny thing also is now as of 3 weeks ago that customer is no longer a customer of mine but now my employer) We have always had the same team which I will take heads up against any out there for serious money. The course is a pretty demanding course. We usually shoot around 10 to 12 every year and get blowed out of the water. The pro there who is a friend of mine that I play with some both casually and in events remarked to me one day " you are around the golf scene on the beach pretty much take any 4 players here on this beach pro or good amateur and see if they can shoot 20 or 21 on this course" I told him no way he said correct. Me and another teamate offered to bet any team heads up for $1000 against our team as long as they played with us or we had spotters there were no takers. After the event we offered the same deal to the winning team and the runner up no takers. Of course we might have gotten beat but we would have went down honestly. Heck we offered a match the next day with each member putting $50 a man in the pot winner take all no takers again. My pro friend said he knew there would be no takers on that if they had people watching and there was no cheating involved. If I get beat I should have played better but like I said I detest being cheated. It is all about principles to me. Any how the charity raised a lot of money for their cause so they were the real winner and that is what counted in the long run.

Ok I will get off my soapbox now thanks for letting me vent

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  Any how the charity raised a lot of money for their cause so they were the real winner and that is what counted in the long run.

 

And that right there is the only reason I play in scrambles. The charity wins.

 

They ARE fun if you have no misconception of winning (without cheating).

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Agreed that it is not out of the realm of possibility, but is is very frustrating shooting one or two under and losing to someone that barely breaks 90.

We had a group at my former club that were the biggest abusers of the handicap system but since the six of them spent a ton of coin in the shop it was looked past. Two years in a row two from the group won the B and C flights of the club championship with gross scores lower than the A flight and would have been top six in the Chpionship flight. Maybe I just got tired of losing to them....

Now that I can relate too! That's why I like the grooms/net combo. I'm looking at my handicap right now and thinking I have a one month window to make some hay. The handicap is legit and I had to deal with a much lower one that I couldn't play to for eight months so I don't feel too bad. This may put this entire thread into perspective. I'm currently an 8 or 9 depending upon where I play. If I were to shoot my career best round (65) and got 9 I would still not beat Barbajo's antagonist, even though my handicap is off by about six strokes.

 

To the scramble thing I used to play in a nice money one. It was a 5 man scramble and there were limitations - your team had to total 54, you could only have two under 9 or if you had a pro no single digit. Each hole had a spotter who wrote and initialed the group's score on the card. Five players, not an overly tough course and 16 normally won. I don't buy the 20's that we sometimes see for a moment.

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Now that I can relate too! That's why I like the grooms/net combo. I'm looking at my handicap right now and thinking I have a one month window to make some hay. The handicap is legit and I had to deal with a much lower one that I couldn't play to for eight months so I don't feel too bad. This may put this entire thread into perspective. I'm currently an 8 or 9 depending upon where I play. If I were to shoot my career best round (65) and got 9 I would still not beat Barbajo's antagonist, even though my handicap is off by about six strokes.

 

To the scramble thing I used to play in a nice money one. It was a 5 man scramble and there were limitations - your team had to total 54, you could only have two under 9 or if you had a pro no single digit. Each hole had a spotter who wrote and initialed the group's score on the card. Five players, not an overly tough course and 16 normally won. I don't buy the 20's that we sometimes see for a moment.

The scramble thing with a spotter is exactly how they do most of the big money calcuttas I have played in. Now with some of the crowd I have been in big money calcuttas you do not have to worry about cheating because if you got caught---- I will not say any more

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The scramble thing with a spotter is exactly how they do most of the big money calcuttas I have played in. Now with some of the crowd I have been in big money calcuttas you do not have to worry about cheating because if you got caught---- I will not say any more

Exactly the way it should be.

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Most of the handicap hi-jinks I am privy to involve the following statement. "I'm not going to turn in that score because that's way better/worse than I normally shoot."

 

Of course if you explain to them that the point of the system is to fairly judge what you are capable of and not your average score they stare at you like you just spit in their corn flakes.

 

The ones that won't post poor scores are of no concern to me. Go ahead and wear your 2 handicap sticker like a badge of honor. When I have to play against you and you put up an 83 I'll laugh all the way to the winners bracket.

 

The ones that refuse to post good scores are of course the biggest issue and are the reason the system can't be relied upon without outside knowledge of someone's game.

 

I have found shame to be the only acceptable solution to this problem. When someone makes the statement above and I'm in earshot I always make sure to bring it up every time I see them.

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