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Here's my dilemma. I've been playing my G25 irons again lately. They're 3° upright based off a lie board fitting two years ago. My natural shot shape is a draw with all my clubs. My issues arise in my longer irons (4,5,6,7) as I tend to hit some nasty hooks with them and I feel like I have to fight with them to keep the ball somewhat online. My short irons draw but it's manageable. When I'm really struggling I fight hooks with my woods as well but I seem to have worked that out.

 

So, should I have my irons bent a few degrees flatter regardless of what the lie board says or should I work it out with my swing? I know that my miss is a hook to the right and I just have a hard time with the idea that my irons are 3° upright and they're Ping so their standard is a bit more upright to begin with. Or maybe I'm just over thinking all of this.

 

As always, any input you guys have is appreciated.

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So, what does the lie board say today?  If your swing has changed in the last two years, then it might be a problem.  There may be other issues at work, but it's easy to check the lie first.

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So, what does the lie board say today? If your swing has changed in the last two years, then it might be a problem. There may be other issues at work, but it's easy to check the lie first.

I checked it last week. Forgot to include that in the first post. It's still consistent with where it was then.

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Adjust based on ball flight over a lie board every time!

 

However, I'm not sure you can bend the G25's more than a degree or two anyway.

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I will give you my input fwiw...  The goal of any club fitting is to make the ball fly to the intended target. I could care less where the lie board marks are if every shot I hit is 25 yards offline. Without watching you hit a few shots outside, I cannot really diagnose what the correct course of action should be. However, if it were me, and I was missing most of my shots to the left, and my irons were 3° up, you can bet that the first thing that I would do is bend a club or 2 a little flatter to see if that mitigates the flight issues.

 

Are your divots the same depth from heel to toe??

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I will give you my input fwiw... The goal of any club fitting is to make the ball fly to the intended target. I could care less where the lie board marks are if every shot I hit is 25 yards offline. Without watching you hit a few shots outside, I cannot really diagnose what the correct course of action should be. However, if it were me, and I was missing most of my shots to the left, and my irons were 3° up, you can bet that the first thing that I would do is bend a club or 2 a little flatter to see if that mitigates the flight issues.

 

Are your divots the same depth from heel to toe??

From what I've noticed on the range, they do seem to be the same depth from heel to toe.

 

My local range has a standard lie G25 7 iron that I was able to hit about 10 times before I had to leave. Results seemed much much better. Distance and accuracy both increased and I felt like I could release the club more if that makes sense. I have to do more testing with it.

 

According to the Ping website, they should be able to be bent 5 color codes. Which would be a max of 3.75°.

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The G25's are tough to bend, but can be bent..  I would find someone local who knows what they are doing, and have them bend one of the longer irons that see how it plays..

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If the G25 worked OK before, then it might be just a matter of a difference in setup between your MP54's and the G25's.  The Pings have a little more offset, which if you are used to swinging the Mizunos, may cause you to hook the Pings.  Why did you go back to the G25?

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I didnt think you could bend stainless clubs that much.  Huh.  Unless theres something weird going on with your swing, Id go with ball flight over what a lie board syas any day.

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If the G25 worked OK before, then it might be just a matter of a difference in setup between your MP54's and the G25's. The Pings have a little more offset, which if you are used to swinging the Mizunos, may cause you to hook the Pings. Why did you go back to the G25?

It's been an issue since I got them. I didn't think about the offset though. I love the MP-54s when I'm on but when I'm not it's rough. Don't think my ball striking is consistent enough for them yet. The G25s are very forgiving for me, minus the hooks that I fight with them. FWIW, I don't have the issue with the MP-54s unless I make a really poor swing. With the G25s I can feel like I made a good swing and it's still going right on me. It's a bigger deal on tighter courses when I can't start the ball far enough left.

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I am currently playing the i20 irons.  When I got fitted for them, I tried the G series, but the wide sole didn't seem to work for me.  It seemed like the club wanted to set up closed, and I had to manipulate it to be square when I gripped the club.  Didn't like that.  The i20 was much better.  My swing is flat, so when the club is too upright, I can catch the heel on the turf causing a pull, but I don't hook it.  

 

Without seeing what's happening, I am just guessing that it may be a combination of things.  Certainly the lie may have some influence, but it could also be your ball position that you have gotten used to with the MP-54's.  I am guessing that the swing weight is also a little different between the clubs, since the Pings tend to be a little on the light side.  I would suggest a review by a teaching pro before you start bending clubs.

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The G25's are tough to bend, but can be bent..  I would find someone local who knows what they are doing, and have them bend one of the longer irons that see how it plays..

I'd send them back to Ping to have them adjusted.

 

Based on some posts at another forum, the cost is $30/set (or $3/club) plus return shipping. I've read it doesn't take long, but couldn't find an actual time.

 

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Are you only using a lie board, or are you using it coupled with face markings from marking the ball/face tape? The lie board doesn't always tell the full story

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Are you only using a lie board, or are you using it coupled with face markings from marking the ball/face tape? The lie board doesn't always tell the full story

Just a lie board. Haven't tried the sharpie test yet. Will do next time I'm at the range.

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  • 3 weeks later...

Lie boards can certainly lead the decision with inaccurate interpretation. I have a sand wedge here in my shop - where, when you set the club up correctly in the gage, the lowest point on the sole is 5/8" towards the toe. If you hit from a lie board, the mark on the sole would be 5/8" toward the toe - telling you to upright the club 2 1/2 degrees. By doing the bend - this club would become a hook machine.

 

What I am saying is the low point on the sole is NOT in the center of the clubface. Lie boards can fool you all day long if you do not understand what it is telling you. Without knowledge of the clubs true lie angle the mark on the sole would have lead me in the wrong direction.

 

I am a ball flight guy, and if all your long irons are hooking then chances are great that the toe is to upright and possibly the club also is too long.

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Lie boards have their uses, but as an accurate way to determine the correct lie for a club they are useless without knowing for certain the club path and face angle at impact. The last two factors are just some of the swing faults amateurs tend to have, so an incorrect diagnosis with a lie board can have a catastrophic effect. 

For this reason alone, it's a lot easier to determine lie angle with the pen mark on the ball trick which virtually eliminates any club path and face angle issues -  if the pen mark is perpendicular to the club face (i.e. the grooves usually) then the lie is correct. 

Hooking is certainly symptomatic of incorrect lie and length, but once these are eliminated it's still possible to hook the ball!

A trained eye of a fitter will be able to isolate the cause and remedy. 

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Thanks fitters, to verify what Jaskanski wrote I could hit a hook with a club that was 18 inches long and 8 degrees flat. :)

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