Tournament Score?

[Kenny B]

As I posted under "How did you play?" Thread yesterday, I played in a gangsome at my old course. I haven't played in a gangsome for quite awhile. On the weekends the Men's club plays a $10 Nassau with $2 skins. Teams of 4 players are drawn by Captains who are the lowest 'cappers present. Of course the number of Captains depends on how many players are present. Essentially, the Captains pick the best player available when it's their turn to pick, but they can also pick based on buddies and personalities. Everyone records their score for each hole, but only the two best scores on each hole count towards the team score. There are team skins for lowest team score on a hole and individual skins for KP's.

 

My question is... Since this is a Men's Culb event and scores are recorded, does this count as a Tournament score as defined by the USGA? The rules are a little vague to me. Basically, it says that it can be if it is sanctioned by the Handicap Committee. In this case some of the players are the Committee. The reason I ask is whether or not the scores should be entered in GHIN as Tournament Scores or just regular scores.

 

To me, it felt like a tournament because I haven't played in a tournament other than charity scrambles for a long time. There is more pressure than fun rounds. I know that the other guys don't count the gangsomes as tournaments, but I wonder if they should. I suspect that their HCPs would be lower if the did! Sandbaggers!

 

I was curious whether you guys playing these types of events record scores as Tournament in GHIN.

[mizuno_lover]

I would think if putts are conceded and not actually being holed out that would disqualify it from being a handicapped event the same as any match play event.  That's the way it is here in Australia at ant rate.  Fair question though I would have thought Kenny.

[wbealsd]

If putts aren't conceded and individual scores ARE recorded, then I'd think one could record the score, but not as a tournament round, since not all holes are counted for the tournament score.

[revkev]

Actually putts can be conceded and it still count if I understand the process properly.  If a putt were conceded the player should record the score that he would reasonably assume to have made on the hole.  There's some judgment there.

 

I'm looking forward to the answer on the tournament score thing - I don't know it - I always left that in the hands of the tournament committee - it's their job to make sure that tournaments are posted.  I know that happens here, I played in league not too long ago and thought I'd have a cake walk (my handicap was high towards the end of last season.)  No worries our league secretary made sure that my score in the league championship and another tournament got posted - I was wondering why my handicap was so low - that 69 and 73 are like a ball and chain to be carried around for ever Jacob Marley style.

[Kenny B]

Actually putts can be conceded and it still count if I understand the process properly.  If a putt were conceded the player should record the score that he would reasonably assume to have made on the hole.  There's some judgment there.

 

I'm looking forward to the answer on the tournament score thing - I don't know it - I always left that in the hands of the tournament committee - it's their job to make sure that tournaments are posted.  I know that happens here, I played in league not too long ago and thought I'd have a cake walk (my handicap was high towards the end of last season.)  No worries our league secretary made sure that my score in the league championship and another tournament got posted - I was wondering why my handicap was so low - that 69 and 73 are like a ball and chain to be carried around for ever Jacob Marley style.

 

Exactly, which would make guys that record the gangsome scores as T in GHIN live with the HCP that better reflects what they would shoot in a big tournament.  As it is, the weekly games don't stick with GHIN as long.  Some of these guys shoot pretty low during these gangsome, then post fun game scores that are much higher to get their HCP up for the season ending tournaments.  Unfortunately, the USGA rules allow the Handicap committee to decide what should be a tournament, and it would not be in their best interest to call in one!

[revkev]

Clubs are supposed to have handicap committees for such things. I've seen them workbutof course there are plenty of times and places where the committee does nothing. The system is only as good as the people involved.

 

I know that there was a time when I always thought the team or player that won an event must have entered a false handicap. Experience has taught me that someone almost always gets hot. I'Ve had it happen both for and against. Personally I prefer events where handicaps are not in play or where there is net/gross possibilities.

[Kenny B]

Clubs are supposed to have handicap committees for such things. I've seen them workbutof course there are plenty of times and places where the committee does nothing. The system is only as good as the people involved.

I know that there was a time when I always thought the team or player that won an event must have entered a false handicap. Experience has taught me that someone almost always gets hot. I'Ve had it happen both for and against. Personally I prefer events where handicaps are not in play or where there is net/gross possibilities.

In the game I mentioned, the HCP is not in play, other than being used by the Captains to select the B, C, and D players for their teams. Each person plays there own ball and all players scores are recorded for each hole. The "team score" is determined by adding the two lowest scores for each hole and then totaled. Since I shot 77, I posted that score in GHIN, but I did not post it as a T because I know it's not a Handicap committee sanctioned event. I just think it should be.

[sp0rtsfan86]

gut says no... becuase it's not an official tournament. However, I'd check with your local GHIN person and ask him/her what the ruling is for handicap purposes.

[Kor.A.Door]

I would say no as well, this is one of the games we play for our Saturday morning group about once a month, it's not really tournament. To me tournament is things like inter club matches, club championship type tourney's, from what I understand as well is that these tournament scores stay on your care for a longer period of time as well.

[Kenny B]

gut says no... becuase it's not an official tournament. However, I'd check with your local GHIN person and ask him/her what the ruling is for handicap purposes.

It's not a T score b/c the Handicap committee says it's not. The USGA rules allow for it to be a T score if the committee deems it. But it is not in their best interest HCP-wise b/c their HCPs would go down and that wouldn't help them in the club championship or the Budweiser tourney.

 

Doesn't really matter to me b/c I don't usually play in their game, but it sure felt like a T game to me!

[rickkimbrell]

I have played at 2 different clubs that used a similar format.  At both, we played our ball out every hole and recorded the scores.  One club told us to post them as tournament scores, the other said no.  What is correct...I really have no idea.  

[Kenny B]

I have played at 2 different clubs that used a similar format.  At both, we played our ball out every hole and recorded the scores.  One club told us to post them as tournament scores, the other said no.  What is correct...I really have no idea.

 

Both are correct. The USGA rules state that it is up to the local HCP Committee. The one that posts them as T scores have truer HCPs for their members than the other one IMHO.