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NH primary Tuesday. So this is about politics, but it's not really political in any partisan way.

 

New Hampshire has more independents than registrants in either major party. I'll be the first to admit that with the parties more polarized than they've ever been, I find it impossible to understand how everybody wouldn't have an easy time choosing sides. I try to keep an open mind, because it's none of my business.

 

What bothers me more than that, however, is that independents are allowed to vote in the NH primaries, getting to choose either ballot. If you haven't committed to a political party, you have no business participating in that party's internal affairs, especially the primary elections. That is my business.

 

It's a major gripe with me. In fact, as a strongly partisan member of one of the major parties for nearly fifty years, it infuriates me.

 

Just needed to get that off my chest. Sorry.

 

 

 

 

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Looks to me like this election already boils down to .... either you want a socialist government or you don't. Take you pick. If you're not sure take a quick golf vacation down to Venezuela. (Not sure if they allow golf there anymore.) Better call first.

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I have always voted split ticket as we call it. I have never registered for a party and never will. Of course you can not believe anything any politician says anyhow.

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I'm a good old New England Independent and I support this message. I never miss elections that I may participate in but will not vote in a primary. The parties will choose their candidates, I may vote for them or I may vote for someone else.

 

Great political non political thread. I was hoping it was going to be a MGS contest to pick the winners. :)

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I'm a good old New England Independent and I support this message. I never miss elections that I may participate in but will not vote in a primary. The parties will choose their candidates, I may vote for them or I may vote for someone else.

 

Great political non political thread. I was hoping it was going to be a MGS contest to pick the winners. :)

I am exactly the same way with one exception-- I am a Southern Redneck Independant

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I don't like all this vote for someone to run. Why don't the parties pick who they want to run, stand behind them and we vote. This is just a popularity contest to me.

 

But, coming from another country, we do things a bit differently.

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I don't like all this vote for someone to run. Why don't the parties pick who they want to run, stand behind them and we vote. This is just a popularity contest to me.

 

But, coming from another country, we do things a bit differently.

Our so called Parties have already been doing this for ever. They're trying again now but folks are resisting. The establishment from both parties don't like it when the plebes get out of line or uppity. 

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It's one thing to choose systems: party activists deciding at the convention or the party rank and file choosing at primaries. I'm ok with either.

 

But independents have no business participating in the primaries. People shouldn't have a vote in the affairs of a party to which they don't belong. That's what upsets me.

 

As for being an independent, that's none of my business, but I honestly can't understand it. If you're a right wing conservative like plaid, you have a party to choose. If you're a lefty progressive liberal like me, you have a party to choose. And if you're in the middle, you have to wonder if you're politically relevant any more.

 

In the past, when the two major parties were less polarized, the middle was sustained and preserved by moderate centrists in both parties and in the general electorate. Not any more. If there's a middle anymore, it survives tenuously only because both poles, left and right, are at relatively even strength for the time being.

 

You either like the European model like I do or you believe in American Exceptionalism like plaid does. One or the other is likely to better serve your own self-interests, so it shouldn't be that hard to pick

 

Just for my own understanding, though, I wish I understood the perspective of the independent. It seems as if you'd be taking yourself right out of the game, politically. Even independents in the government have to caucus with one of the two major parties to get on any important committees and have any say in the government at all.

 

 

 

 

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Which is precisely why we are so polarized IMO Nifty. Our middle is disappearing because we are told that those who hold an opposing view must be bad or the enemy when the reality is they approach a problem from a different perspective. I want no part of either party's self preservation movement. What I'm looking for is someone who will bridge the gap. What is more I think there are lots of folks like me which is why we have watched the Congretional needle bounce back and forth like a pin ball machine the last several election. It's also why Trump/Cruz and Sanders did so well in Iowa and will do well again this week. Pundits and parties are miss reading the data!

 

 

BTW My perspective is to pick the candidate or policy that will benefit the most people or create an atmosphere that will give the most people an opportunity to succeed. There are times when I vote against my own self interest because I will be fine regardless. I'm weird, i know.

 

I agree that Independents shouldn't vote in Primaries and I wish that more people ran as Independents or that a third party would surface do that we could focus on moving forward rather than running each other into the ground.

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Srixon ZX5 MK II  5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex

India 52,56 (60 pending)  UST recoil 75's R flex  

Evon roll ER 5 32 inches

It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD   

 

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The problem is that there are only two parties. Both of them suck. Neither gives a rat's ass about the country or their constituency. All they care about is getting elected.... and then their entire careers are geared toward getting rich, powerful and re-elected... and the life time several hundred thousand $$$ retirement "fund" from "we the people."

 

The people are finally starting to wake up.... they are tired of the career politicians, in both parties. I suppose that is why so many are going Independent. I've thought about it myself, but it wouldn't change the reason I vote for someone, so why bother?

 

If I were an Independent, I wouldn't vote in Primaries. I agree with Nifty on that.

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It's one thing to choose systems: party activists deciding at the convention or the party rank and file choosing at primaries. I'm ok with either.

 

But independents have no business participating in the primaries. People shouldn't have a vote in the affairs of a party to which they don't belong. That's what upsets me.

 

As for being an independent, that's none of my business, but I honestly can't understand it. If you're a right wing conservative like plaid, you have a party to choose. If you're a lefty progressive liberal like me, you have a party to choose. And if you're in the middle, you have to wonder if you're politically relevant any more.

 

In the past, when the two major parties were less polarized, the middle was sustained and preserved by moderate centrists in both parties and in the general electorate. Not any more. If there's a middle anymore, it survives tenuously only because both poles, left and right, are at relatively even strength for the time being.

 

You either like the European model like I do or you believe in American Exceptionalism like plaid does. One or the other is likely to better serve your own self-interests, so it shouldn't be that hard to pick

 

Just for my own understanding, though, I wish I understood the perspective of the independent. It seems as if you'd be taking yourself right out of the game, politically. Even independents in the government have to caucus with one of the two major parties to get on any important committees and have any say in the government at all.

I know by law in SC neither me or my wife can vote in the primaries as an independent non party affiliated voter unless as we put it obligate ourselves to a paticular party. And we are not going to do that. Let them fight and decide and when the dust settles then we will vote in the big final election

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Which is precisely why we are so polarized IMO Nifty. Our middle is disappearing because we are told that those who hold an opposing view must be bad or the enemy when the reality is they approach a problem from a different perspective. I want no part of either party's self preservation movement. What I'm looking for is someone who will bridge the gap. What is more I think there are lots of folks like me which is why we have watched the Congretional needle bounce back and forth like a pin ball machine the last several election. It's also why Trump/Cruz and Sanders did so well in Iowa and will do well again this week. Pundits and parties are miss reading the data!

 

 

BTW My perspective is to pick the candidate or policy that will benefit the most people or create an atmosphere that will give the most people an opportunity to succeed. There are times when I vote against my own self interest because I will be fine regardless. I'm weird, i know.

 

I agree that Independents shouldn't vote in Primaries and I wish that more people ran as Independents or that a third party would surface do that we could focus on moving forward rather than running each other into the ground.

I may remember this wrong but one election we had a 3rd party presidental election. I think it was the Libertarian Party or something like that and they had either Ross Perot or Lyndon Laroche running in it. SC that year did recognize that as a legit party but the same rules applied you had to commit to one of he 3 recognized parties to vote in the primary. BTW We remained true to our scruples we stayed non party and did not vote in the primaries

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I'm glad that we're debating the way the two party system works (or doesn't as the case may be) rather than debating the election.

 

I don't think that the political poles (I almost typed polls!) can debate because debate requires stipulations.  If you're debating different means to a common goal, that would be one thing.  But we don't have a common goal.  The left and the right want to live in different worlds because they have different priorities and values. 

 

How can you debate chocolate versus strawberry? If you want different things, you want different things. It's nobody's fault.

 

The good Rev brought up an interesting point though as far as voting one's own best interests. I grew up in the working class, in a strong labor union and Democratic Party environment, in a non-right-to-work region, and that understandably shaped my values.  Whether for the better or worse is not relevant to the point we're making here.  But I am constantly perplexed at how many working class people vote as though they were letting the Koch brothers punch their ballots for them.  They completely ignore the economic issues that concern their daily lives and vote over other, social issues that seem to concern them more, letting the Koch brothers have their way on the economic issues so long as the social agenda that interests them is being addressed.

 

I'm not arguing against them on this friendly golf forum, and I'm not questioning their values, either.  I'm simply admitting that I can't even begin to understand it.  Perhaps it was my dedication to constituent service as a labor activist that put the self-serving economic issues at the very top of my priority list. And if it were merely a matter of numbers voting by economic class, my side would never lose.  There are more proletarians  than plutocrats, right?

 

I'm not going to argue that my approach is right--certainly not in as inappropriate place as here. I'm just explaining my frustration because plaid asked, essentially, if we want socialism or golf, and as a senior, I'd give up golf, a game I've loved to play for over fifty years, a lot sooner than my Social Security, my Medicare, or my union-negotiated pension benefits.  Without those, I wouldn't be able to play golf anyway. 

 

But that's just me. We live in a diverse nation with diverse values. Maybe we're not supposed to understand each other.  We should try to respect each other, though.  I wasn't always good at that--remember the 1960s--but one hopefully learns with age.

 

 

 

 

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I would settle for respect in a heartbeat Nifty. I also wonder about the Social Values thing. I have congregants who make big deals out of those. They get very upset with me when I point out that the Constitution protects people's rights to behave in a wide latitude of ways. If not your way of living and behaving may be the next to go!

 

Oh well at least we can be civil here beyond a doubt. I hope that the Primary goes well this week. I still wish this were a contest to pick the winners and their percentages. :)

Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60  Aldila  R flex   - 42.25 inches 

SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft

Ping G410 7, 9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Srixon ZX5 MK II  5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex

India 52,56 (60 pending)  UST recoil 75's R flex  

Evon roll ER 5 32 inches

It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD   

 

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I would settle for respect in a heartbeat Nifty. I also wonder about the Social Values thing. I have congregants who make big deals out of those. They get very upset with me when I point out that the Constitution protects people's rights to behave in a wide latitude of ways. If not your way of living and behaving may be the next to go!

 

Oh well at least we can be civil here beyond a doubt. I hope that the Primary goes well this week. I still wish this were a contest to pick the winners and their percentages. :)

It is like I have always said----- I may not agree with your view right or wrong but will stand beside and fight with you to the death if nesssicary for your right to voice it and do it .      Your first paragraph sums it all up in a nutshell for me.  And yes it is pleasant to go to a place where we can have an educated CIVIL discussion from folks from all walks of life and views

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