[MyGolfSpy]

The Test
Five skilled amateurs with scratch handicaps were given brand new wedges with 56° of loft with "2010 condition of competition" grooves (referred to as "2010 C-C") and "pre-2010" grooves. (Recreational players can use pre-2010 grooves until 2024, but manufacturers must stop producing the clubs by the end of this year.)

The test was conducted in San Francisco on a 58° day. Hitting only Titleist ProV1 golf balls, testers hit full shots to a practice green from the fairway and from two-inch rough.

Testers struck five shots in each of the four scenarios:
1) "2010 C-C" wedge from the fairway
2) "Pre-2010" wedge from the fairway
3) "2010 C-C" wedge from two-inch rough
4) "Pre-2010" wedge from two-inch rough








Read more: http://www.golf.com/...l#ixzz0rcByLyGV

[Moecat]

The difference in roll when the ball is struck from the rough is a bit of an eye opener. Moral of the story: keep it in the fairway!

[JBones]

I've been wanting to try this myself. I have a ridiculous spin rate, so I think the 2010 C-C could actually help my game. Just out of curiosity, are the Scratch wedges that we will be reviewing 2010 C-C?

[JohnBarry]

Huge difference from the rough, wow, and I live there too!

[pfingst]

JohnBarry, on 23 June 2010 - 08:14 AM, said:

Huge difference from the rough, wow, and I live there too!

The real question is: how is it out of the trees? I need to know these things!

[pfingst]

As a serious follow up, I wonder if the average player (like, oh I don't know, me) would notice much difference, or if we just don't have the consistency for it to matter.

[MyGolfSpy]

From our testing and from the graphic you see you WILL see a difference from the rough. Even if you an average player the results will be similar.

Here is the reason...the better golfer sees different spin rates then the average golfer but the average golfer still has a typical sin rate from his wedges and with the new grooves this will be no different it will effect both golfers. You might not see the 2,500 rpm difference but even a 1,500 rpm difference will result in more roll on the green which will mean you will see a difference.

pfingst, on 24 June 2010 - 11:05 AM, said:

As a serious follow up, I wonder if the average player (like, oh I don't know, me) would notice much difference, or if we just don't have the consistency for it to matter.

[nicsherman]

I was unaware that my new irons have conforming grooves, and was surprised how much higher they seemed to fly versus my older sticks. I'm not complaining, just an observation. As far as performance from the rough.... I have to hit it there first...

[GolfSpy Dave]

nicsherman, on 24 June 2010 - 09:26 AM, said:

I was unaware that my new irons have conforming grooves, and was surprised how much higher they seemed to fly versus my older sticks. I'm not complaining, just an observation. As far as performance from the rough.... I have to hit it there first...

Nic are you not hitting the rough because you are not playing at all or are you playing well

[nicsherman]

sactown, on 24 June 2010 - 08:57 AM, said:

Nic are you not hitting the rough because you are not playing at all or are you playing well

I just drive it better and better each week. I really can't remember the last time I missed consecutive fairways. (it might have something to do with the fact that I can't remember when I last played either....)

[Smilesy]

I remember reading somewhere last year that decreasing the spin from the rough was pretty much the sole reason for changing the groves, they don't care how much you can spin it from the fairway. Looks like they succeeded it that.

[Phana24JG]

MyGolfSpy, on 24 June 2010 - 11:14 AM, said:

From our testing and from the graphic you see you WILL see a difference from the rough. Even if you an average player the results will be similar.

Here is the reason...the better golfer sees different spin rates then the average golfer but the average golfer still has a typical sin rate from his wedges and with the new grooves this will be no different it will effect both golfers. You might not see the 2,500 rpm difference but even a 1,500 rpm difference will result in more roll on the green which will mean you will see a difference.

Sorry I missed this topic before. The one area I found a big difference was chips and short pitches from greenside rough. Assuming a reasonably playable lie, I could usually get the 58* standard or cut shot if needed to settle without too much roll. Now, the first bounce is noticeably hotter, more inconsistent, and the margin for error is very reduced.

[Specs]

Those #'s are crazy! And I never switched my 54 degree to a non-conforming wedge. Still play a 10 plus year old 588. The reason I was playing this was too much spin from the fairway with the other wedges I tried. Now, I understand why my wedge play out of the rough has been so inconsitent. I tried blaming the ball and went softer even though it hurt my driver distance...

[Nasty Canasta]

They are bound a determined to make me hit in the fairway consistently.

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Those #'s are crazy!

Those are some crazy numbers indeed. Especially the backspin and the roll.

[OlStick]

MyGolfSpy, on 22 June 2010 - 04:17 PM, said:

The Test
Five skilled amateurs with scratch handicaps were given brand new wedges with 56° of loft with "2010 condition of competition" grooves (referred to as "2010 C-C") and "pre-2010" grooves. (Recreational players can use pre-2010 grooves until 2024, but manufacturers must stop producing the clubs by the end of this year.)

The test was conducted in San Francisco on a 58° day. Hitting only Titleist ProV1 golf balls, testers hit full shots to a practice green from the fairway and from two-inch rough.

Testers struck five shots in each of the four scenarios:
1) "2010 C-C" wedge from the fairway
2) "Pre-2010" wedge from the fairway
3) "2010 C-C" wedge from two-inch rough
4) "Pre-2010" wedge from two-inch rough








Read more: http://www.golf.com/...l#ixzz0rcByLyGV

Thank you, USGA, PGA, R&A, and whoever I left out. NOW, let's see if shotmakers get a break against the bombers. It hasn't mattered how many fairways players missed, because a wedge from the rough beat a 7-iron from the fairway. I am glad to see that the game may make more sense with this ruling. Hooray for the guy who hits more fairways as an inherent part of hitting more greens.

One question: I have been told many times in many Golf, Golf Digest, etc. articles that spin plays a major part in launch. It appears from these stats that that isn't so.