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#1 MyGolfSpy

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 02:14 PM

O-TA Precision Casting Co., one of Taiwan`s leading golf equipment makers, recently received orders for golf heads from TaylorMade, a golf gear brand under the Adidas Group, making the order the first in seven years and of which delivery has begun this month.

K. W. Lee, chairman of O-TA, says that about seven years ago O-TA got golf gear orders from Nike; however, O-TA`s major client—TaylorMade—switched from O-TA to Advanced International Multitech Co., another leading Taiwanese golf gear manufacturer.

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Lee says that TaylorMade`s order are for both iron and wooden club heads, and several production lines have been set aside to exclusively fill the order, believing such orders will gradually increase in the coming years.

TaylorMade is the world`s largest golf brand and its clubs and heads take 30% of the global share.

Taiwan supplies the world`s major golf equipment brands and its four leading makers, namely, Fu Sheng Industrial Co., Dynamic Precision Casting Mfg., Co., Advanced and O-TA, together account for 80% of the global golf contracts, with major clients including TaylorMade, Nike, Callaway, Ping, Titlist, Cobra, Dunlop, etc.

Major Clients of Taiwan`s Leading Golf Gear Contractors

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Callaway, TaylorMade, Dunlop, Nike, Ping, Titeleist, Cobra


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Callaway, Nike, Ping, Titeleist, Cobra, BS


Advanced
TaylorMade, Dunlop


Dynamic
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Posted 21 September 2010 - 02:51 PM

Does this mean the end of Ping's run as the last US-made manufacturer? I know they had some models made here, but has that come to a complete stop?

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 03:55 PM

...Lee says that TaylorMade`s order are for both iron and wooden club heads, and several production lines have been set aside to exclusively fill the order, believing such orders will gradually increase in the coming years.


Why is TM ordering wooden club heads?

Also, it's interesting that Lee doesn't state that the actual foundries where the club heads are made are in mainland China.
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Posted 21 September 2010 - 04:40 PM

Why is TM ordering wooden club heads?



It's cheaper to cast irons than it is to forge them. It's the exact opposite for metalwoods. There isn't a playbility difference, just a cost difference.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 05:33 PM

Does this company forge or just do castings since the new iron line has forged heads I'm curious as to who's forging TM's heads? We've heard that ENDO is doing Callaways and Nike's new line. Who did Titleist's 710 forged irons?

I wish once and for all someone could answer who really forges who's irons. why is it always such a secret?
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Posted 21 September 2010 - 05:40 PM

I think I just realized that the original article is probably translated from Mandarin. It should read: "...Lee says that TaylorMade`s order are for both iron and wood [not wooden] club heads..."
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 03:55 AM

Does this company forge or just do castings since the new iron line has forged heads I'm curious as to who's forging TM's heads? We've heard that ENDO is doing Callaways and Nike's new line. Who did Titleist's 710 forged irons?

I wish once and for all someone could answer who really forges who's irons. why is it always such a secret?


Here, here. I feel exactly the same way.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 10:21 AM

Its a secret because the big boys dont want the general public to know their stuff is not made by them. It would ruin their "credibility" with half their market. Lets face it, most people who play golf aren't on this forum (or any other) and don't know the truth about the products they use. Heck, they don't even CARE enough to find out. If they did find out that their good ol' "American" company was nothing more than an office full of suits, they wouldn't be so "brand loyal". JMHO.
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 02:15 PM

Its a secret because the big boys dont want the general public to know their stuff is not made by them. It would ruin their "credibility" with half their market. Lets face it, most people who play golf aren't on this forum (or any other) and don't know the truth about the products they use. Heck, they don't even CARE enough to find out. If they did find out that their good ol' "American" company was nothing more than an office full of suits, they wouldn't be so "brand loyal". JMHO.


I think you're opinion hits it right on the head. I can't remember where I read it (was it here?) that the article, in a nutshell, showcases TMAG admitting it's nothing more than a R&D/Marketing firm. Tom Wishon and Ralph Maltby have both, on seperate occasions, mentioned the same thing (though they don't single out TM).

Just to play Devil's Advocate :lol: , but notice that TMAG and Dunlop are forged in the same house? Does it mean TM has lowered their standards, or that Dunlop deserves a little more credit than I originally gave them?

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 03:07 PM

Good discussion guys.

As I read and learn about the golf industry the inescapable conclusion is "buyer beware"! It almost seems that you have to be knowlegeable about what you are buying on a model by model basis. Different club models from the same brand might come from different places and be of vastly different quality. That "top of the line" club might be being made right next to the big box store's "complete set, el cheapo" sticks using the same material with the only difference in quality being the stamping and the sticker they put on it!

I don't know which is worse, learning all this and being skeptical of all claims, or being ignorant and blissful.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 05:07 PM

Good discussion guys.

I don't know which is worse, learning all this and being skeptical of all claims, or being ignorant and blissful.


I think you can learn all this and maintain your optimism, Tyk. From all my research (LOTS of reading, asking questions and some dinking around with brands... not nearly as exhaustive as Maltby's or Wishon's, though...), Everything's the same to a point; I save money buying and building component clubs myself. I like that sense of ownership; that I had a hand in (nearly) every aspect of this club. Not everyone wants to do that and that's fine; everyone's free to follow their own path (we're also assuming that path is of the legal variety LOL). I think there's one advantage to making your own sticks, and that's the customization aspect. The OEMs don't build junk, but they do mass-produce millions of sticks a year. It's VERY expensive (and nigh impossible) to build a club for every single golfer in the world, so they have one set of "standards" (and not every company has the same "standards"). They also have manufacturing tolerances- not just the "Big Boys", but everyone.

Take loft, for example. The 6i may say 30*, but is it really? There's a +/- 2* tolerance for loft (generally), so what happens if the 6i is 2* weak and the 7i is 2* strong? They'll both be 32*! This doesn't make a company "bad" or "terrible", that's why they call it "human error". The same can be said for length, head size, lie angle, swing weight... The club maker can easily put his new clubs into the devices to check all the specs. Those that don't do that for a living/hobby most times don't think about it, but they should.

Taking them to someone that can spec them out can prevent future headaches. It's a cruddy feeling, just dropping $500+ for a new set of irons only to find out you don't like one or more of them... that "they just don't feel right" feeling coupled with "did I waste my money?" thought. It doesn't have to be that way: a club maker can check them out. Maybe one or two are too long or too short; maybe one has a heavier/lighter swing weight. The golfer isn't always responsible for his on-course woes... if something in your equipment is amiss, it'll hurt more than help. That's why it's important to get them looked at: at the very least, one variable in your golf swing can be eliminated as an issue. It may be a little more expensive to do the retrofitting (if need be), but personally, I think the peace of mind it brings would truly be worth it.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 04:17 AM

I think you're opinion hits it right on the head. I can't remember where I read it (was it here?) that the article, in a nutshell, showcases TMAG admitting it's nothing more than a R&D/Marketing firm. Tom Wishon and Ralph Maltby have both, on seperate occasions, mentioned the same thing (though they don't single out TM).

Just to play Devil's Advocate :blush: , but notice that TMAG and Dunlop are forged in the same house? Does it mean TM has lowered their standards, or that Dunlop deserves a little more credit than I originally gave them?



Probably more credit to Dunlop. Wishon, Snake Eyes, Dunlop, etc all use the same foundries as Titleist, TM, Cally, Nike, etc. The good foundries have similar tolerance mandates and skilled workers who produce quality heads for all kinds of equipment companies. But with the advertising budgets of the big boys, you would have a hard time convincing country club joe that the quality of his x-24's is no better than my Snake Eyes 685x's and that they were likely produced in the same foundry. Make no mistake, their are shoddy foundries who use scrap metals and titanium mixtures as opposed to beta. These generally are the clubs that end up in Walmart and have dents and depressions all over them after a few rounds. But by and large, most decent sticks are produced in one of only a handful of foundries.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 12:51 PM

Probably more credit to Dunlop. Wishon, Snake Eyes, Dunlop, etc all use the same foundries as Titleist, TM, Cally, Nike, etc. The good foundries have similar tolerance mandates and skilled workers who produce quality heads for all kinds of equipment companies. But with the advertising budgets of the big boys, you would have a hard time convincing country club joe that the quality of his x-24's is no better than my Snake Eyes 685x's and that they were likely produced in the same foundry. Make no mistake, their are shoddy foundries who use scrap metals and titanium mixtures as opposed to beta. These generally are the clubs that end up in Walmart and have dents and depressions all over them after a few rounds. But by and large, most decent sticks are produced in one of only a handful of foundries.



+1. Here I thought Dunlop dropped off the face of the earth, as far as golf clubs are concerned. I know Lee Westwood has their logo on his outfits, but I don't remember if he games any of their clubs (I'm under the impression he was strictly Ping). I've seen stuff from them in the boxed sets at my local Dunham's, but other than that, I never thought to do any true hunting for them... Maybe I should be on the lookout.

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 12:03 AM

Does this mean the end of Ping's run as the last US-made manufacturer? I know they had some models made here, but has that come to a complete stop?


Yes it does. I was told that the foundry now does government work and the workers there now assemble their bags. Sad isn't it, although I read a article that some manufacturing is migrating back to the US due to China labor cost increases and the expense to ship. One example is of GE, who is building a new plant in the southern US to produce their new hybrid hot water heater.


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Posted 08 October 2010 - 12:07 AM

Its a secret because the big boys dont want the general public to know their stuff is not made by them. It would ruin their "credibility" with half their market. Lets face it, most people who play golf aren't on this forum (or any other) and don't know the truth about the products they use. Heck, they don't even CARE enough to find out. If they did find out that their good ol' "American" company was nothing more than an office full of suits, they wouldn't be so "brand loyal". JMHO.


It's also a catch 22 since the same factories dump the counterfit into the marketplace as well. I wonder if the move to forged heads will deter the counterfitters any at all. It has to be better to build in the US and control the product from start to finish. That would just about put an end to all of the counterfit clubs on sleezbay.


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