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Ping's Solheim: What to do about distance

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:11 PM

http://www.golfdiges...e-proposal.html

John Solheim, chairman & CEO of Ping, believes golf's distance debate is about to heat up again, and he thinks he has an idea that might help cooler heads prevail.

With the PGA Tour driving distance average surging past the 290-yard barrier for the first time, Solheim is concerned about how golf's ruling bodies, the U.S. Golf Association and the Royal & Ancient Golf Club of St. Andrews, might react.

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John Solheim's proposal for dealing with distance surges would require three separate golf balls. Photo by Getty Images

"It worries me what might happen with our rulemakers when they see something and how they're going to react to it," Solheim said Friday in an exclusive interview with GolfDigest.com. "I wanted to put this idea out there to give them something to think about. This is an idea that works without bifurcation."

Solheim's proposal, which he has presented to manufacturers and sent to golf's ruling bodies, calls for changing from just one overall distance standard for all balls to a "ball distance rating," or BDR, system that would include three types of balls. The three balls in Solheim's proposal include one that is the same as today's current standard, a second ball that would be as much as 30 yards longer and a third ball that would produce distances 30 yards shorter than current balls. Courses, tournaments, tours and even individual players could choose their ball based on the course they're playing or the skill level of the players in the event. Solheim equated the BDR system to varying tee boxes. He envisioned a system which even might allow opportunities for average golfers playing their home course to have slower swingers using the longer-distance-standard ball while faster swingers would play the shorter-distance-standard ball with both players teeing off from the same marker. To make this work from a competitive standpoint Solheim suggested the handicap system incorporate a "ball rating" element. (Read the full proposal here ... http://www.golfdiges...lheim-proposal)


Solheim believes his BDR proposal is a better alternative than some recent decisions made in response to the distance question. He writes in his proposal, "Unfortunately, over the past dozen or so years, many actions taken in response to that challenge have often been short sighted, costly and/or controversial--such as altering some of golf's most revered courses and adopting restrictive golf club rules."

Solheim concedes that the specifics of the limits on a shorter ball would take time for the ruling bodies to determine, and he freely admits that his proposal is merely a starting point in any discussion. His main motivation, however, is that the game's ruling bodies open a dialog on distance rather than unilaterally implement another club rollback or a new, shorter overall distance standard for the ball.

"I think something is going to happen, and I tried to give them a way that wouldn't hurt everybody, especially the average golfer," Solheim said.

Wally Uihlein, chairman and CEO of the Acushnet Company, isn't as alarmed by 2011's driving distance numbers, and more specifically doesn't believe rules proposals should be originating from manufacturers.

"Under the guidance of the [Joint] Statement of Principles, the regulatory bodies have taken the necessary steps to insure the ongoing balance between skill and technology," said Uihlein. "We continue to believe that it is the responsibility of the regulatory bodies to make and monitor the rules of golf, and the responsibility of manufacturers remains to provide input and comment upon proposed rule changes. We consider the minor increase in driving distance on the U.S. PGA Tour for 2011 part of the normal movement (up and down) of that statistical category since 2004. We would be surprised if the ruling bodies considered it significant or appropriate for action under the Statement of Principles."

The USGA announced it was conducting research on shorter distance golf balls in March 2005. As recently as the summer of 2010, it was conducting research with mini tour players using shorter-distance golf balls, but that research has not been made public to date. USGA senior technical director Dick Rugge said in an interview Saturday with GolfDigest.com that no distance rule changes are imminent, but that he appreciated the thoughtfulness behind Solheim's proposal. Rugge released the following statement:

"The USGA has been concerned about the effects of increased distance and stated so in our Joint Statement of Principles in 2002. When someone as committed to the integrity of the game as John Solheim publicly joins us in that concern, he deserves our attention. While his proposed method--multiple levels of equipment rules--is contrary to the tradition of the Rules of Golf, we welcome John's sincere efforts to discuss the topic."

Particularly relevant in the 2002 Joint Statement is the ruling bodies' position on distance. While not setting a specific number, the document makes it clear that any further significant increases in hitting distances at the highest level are undesirable," and that such a result would lead to rule changes. "Should such a situation of meaningful increases in distances arise, the R&A and the USGA would feel it immediately necessary to seek ways of protecting the game."

Since the Joint Statement was announced in May 2002, average driving distance on the PGA Tour has increased by 14 yards, including a 3.6-yard gain in 2011 over 2010. That was the largest one-year gain in driving distance average since 2003.

The USGA's Joe Goode, managing director of communications, said Solheim was sent a response regarding his proposal from president Jim Hyler on Nov. 22. "We assured John that the USGA would 'discuss the merits of the proposal with the USGA's Executive Committee and appropriate staff,'" Goode said in an e-mail.

Solheim said he believes the distances young tour players are hitting the ball might cause the rulemakers to consider sweeping changes, including a rollback. In his proposal, he urges a more deliberate and, he says, "long-term" approach. The document reads in part: "With so many other challenges facing the game, we need to be sure any 'distance discussions' focus on the long term--on solutions that can quickly and easily respond to future increases in distance (no matter the cause); on ideas that give professional events and courses a tool that allows each to best address the distance concerns unique to their venue; on proposals that recognize it is far simpler to adjust the ball to the course, than to adjust the course to the ball."

In Friday's interview, Solheim admitted he is concerned that a rule change will be proposed without the average golfer in mind.

"What scares me is that I think there's going to be some people who are going to try to shorten the ball, and if the average player can't keep playing the current ball, that's going to be a difficulty," he said. "I think this proposal takes care of both the elite player and the average golfer, but the people who will benefit more from it are the masses."

Technologically speaking, it would not be difficult to achieve the kind of golf balls being talked about. "Making a shorter ball is not all that difficult, and it would be fairly easy to achieve another 20 to 30 yards without much trouble if there were no initial velocity restriction," said John Rae, vice president of research and development for Cleveland/Srixon. "A slightly smaller, slightly heavier ball would be significantly better aerodynamically and go farther. That said, I don't know of anyone not entering the game or leaving the game because they're not hitting the ball far enough. From an everyday golfer standpoint this may be addressing a problem that isn't really a problem." As for the elite level, the PGA Tour, at whom presumably the shorter ball might be aimed, declined comment on Solheim's proposal.

It's not a stretch to suggest that ball manufacturers might not be enthusiastic about Solheim's idea. Not only would they be forced to develop the technology for a shorter ball, but they likely would be forced to market balls on three distance levels. Finally retailers, with shelves already flooded with a sea of different ball models, would find themselves needing to stock three types of each model--something not likely welcomed.

But Solheim believes his idea, or at least a discussion about ways to deal with the issue of distance without hurting average golfers, is vital for the future of the game. His proposal concludes with these words.

"All of us, including those in the manufacturing community, have a responsibility to offer new ideas and appropriately work with the rule making bodies to help improve the game. ... I will continue to do what I can, and I believe others will as well. The game has seen many positive changes over its long history, changes that appropriately recognize the relationship between the challenge and the enjoyment of the game at all skill levels. I believe a BDR system would provide a way to continue do just that--for a long time to come."

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:59 AM

I think this is a damned cool idea. I'm sure it won't happen, but I like it. Besides all the problems it solves with the PGA Tour, consider the every day reasons: Why shouldn't my dad play a longer ball than me? If he plays the long ball and I play the short one, maybe we can meet at the middle tees.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:03 PM

I'm not sure I like it. I kind of prefer the fix the course approach.

My question is would TV viewers start favoring events that use the longer balls? If so, it would become moot because all events would be forced to use those balls to be competitive for advertising reasons.

Plus it'll into the same pitfalls as the new grooves rule, where even amateurs playing with the old grooves elicit the annoying, "so you're cheating with those grooves, huh?" comment by some doucebag on the course.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:43 PM

[quote name='wdgolf' date='10 January 2012 - 09:03 AM' timestamp='1326207786' post='49447']
I'm not sure I like it. I kind of prefer the fix the course approach.

My question is would TV viewers start favoring events that use the longer balls? If so, it would become moot because all events would be forced to use those balls to be competitive for advertising reasons.

Plus it'll into the same pitfalls as the new grooves rule, where even amateurs playing with the old grooves elicit the annoying, "so you're cheating with those grooves, huh?" comment by some doucebag on the course.
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My issue with "fixing" the course is that you make the course unplayable for the average golfers who actually pay to play. Perhaps more correctly: a lot of average guys are going to "play the whole course" regardless of whether that's 8,000 yards or 7,100 and that leads to 5 hours rounds and frustration for everyone. It's important to not make one problem (slow play, lack of growth) worse when trying to fix another (tour players making old courses obsolete).

Do you think that viewers care about the length of the course? We could probably find this out by looking at the ratings for shorter courses versus longer ones. Speaking only for myself, I don't care if the guys on TV are hitting driver 350 off the tee or hitting 4I to play for position, I just like watching good golf. My thought is that golf will do well with viewers because of compelling stars, not the length of the course.

Finally, with regard to the grooves, have you actually heard people say that? I guess I'm not doubting that it happens, it's just far removed from anything I've heard at the shop or on the course. Most of the people I interact with don't know if they have conforming grooves, let alone whether or not I do.

As for people making insulting comments about people using the "long" ball, I would equate it to my initial reaction to the Bridgestone B330-RX. When I first heard that they were making a tour ball for people with slower swings, I thought, "NO ONE will buy this. Who would admit they don't have tour swing speed?" But, I was wrong, people LOVE those balls (as they should, they're great). I think that the "long" ball would similarly received: people will love hitting it farther.

I think we (we being golf-obsessed gear aficionados) often fail to realize that the golf world is much bigger than we are. For every one of us, there are a dozen (or more) weekend hackers who don't know or care what's in their bag, they just want to hit one drive past their buddies so that they can brag about it. And the beauty of golf is this: it accommodates us all.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:18 PM

Some fixes can be done without altering the course. Whistling Straights was "Bubba Proofed" after he started driving across a dog leg. http://www.golfchann...stling-straits/

The wedge thing is just a pet peeve, I heard it a few too many times I think :).

I agree that having different ball types for recreational use is great. I'd love to get some long distance anti-slice balls for my non-golfing friends. I'm just saying it would be pretty disappointing to see DJ blast a drive for 270 yards.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 05:30 AM

This would be a nightmare at the "competitive recreational" level. Its hard enough to manage handicaps and different tee boxes, adding ball choices into the equation will wreak havoc in your typical club setting. Trying to create a level playing field that makes a group happy is an ongoing challenge, yes, the handicap system is great. . .but it doesn't solve everything. Anyone that has ever been in a leadership role in a club or golf association or organized tournaments can attest to this!

Imagine trying to explain to an 80 year old golfer that he can play this ball from these tees, or this longer ball from these tees based on his age, handicap index, and swing speed (which he probably doesn't know!).

Sorry, but this is a flat out stupid idea for recreational golf. It might make sense for the tour, but even there, the players will hate it. Imagine asking these guys to change balls every week. How are they supposed to prepare for that and perform at the highest level?

Sounds like absolute chaos all the way around to me.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 02:37 PM

Tyk: Really good point about the "competitive recreational" players. Since that's not something I do, I did not think about it. My inclination is to say that competitors in a given event would not get a choice, everyone would play the ___ ball in a given tourney.

As for the pros, cry me a f***ing river. I have no interest in hearing any whining from guys who play golf for a living. Will they b**** about it? Probably. Will I care? Not at all.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 03:03 PM

Great idea, but if they can make a ball that is 30yds longer, why aren't they? Every amateur on the planet would be buying those balls.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 04:08 PM

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Tyk: Really good point about the "competitive recreational" players. Since that's not something I do, I did not think about it. My inclination is to say that competitors in a given event would not get a choice, everyone would play the ___ ball in a given tourney.

As for the pros, cry me a f***ing river. I have no interest in hearing any whining from guys who play golf for a living. Will they b**** about it? Probably. Will I care? Not at all.



Essentially, now, all competitors in a given event play the "same" ball, or at least a ball that conforms to the current rules of golf. So if the ball were to be dictated, then why have 3 choices? All that will do is piss off 2/3 of the field each and every time!

And I did not comment on the pros out of sympathy for their predicament, I commented out of my concern as a fan of professional golf! Who wants to watch "their guy" struggle because he's playing a ball he hasn't practiced as much with? Or who wants to see the overall quality of every pros game deteriorate because they are having to switch their preparation to different balls? Also, who wants to see players pick their schedules based on the ball that the tournament chooses to use? That would be a mess.

Personally, I think Solheim is pretty much talking out his ass. This is a great soundbite, but the idea imo completely falls apart when the real world implications of implementing it are considered. Its just another idea to mess with the game to fix a problem that doesn't exist. So they allow drivers that hit the ball 40 yards further than they did before? So now lets mess with the ball to take away the distance we gave you with the driver. . . Shut up, put the peg in the ground and hit the freakin' ball, that is my advice!
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 08:06 AM

Grass has a way of limiting distance too. I've noticed that at certain times of the year when we experience a lot of rain, some of the courses play longer. Water fat grass has a way of holding on to the ball and the player is forced into a carry game. There is also the business of building small mounds and ripples into the fairways which not only limit the ball roll but also affects the stance and lie and subsequent club choices. For sure the same old course will become much more interesting and the need for better shot making knowledge will become more important.

Every year the USGA chooses a course to hold the US Open but never accepts that course as is. They rebuild it to become more difficult and a test more worthy of finding the better player. I'm reasonably certain that if a player is confronted with a different series of problems every time he plays his home course, he would find playing that course more interesting. Much of the joy of golf is the unpredictable nature of the game's challenges from day to day.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 02:33 PM

First, I'm shocked that Solhiem wants to limit the balls rather than the clubs. Ping doesn't make balls so they would not have to waste money that would have to be spent developing new golf balls for his system.

Second, the reason for recent distance increases is because of the advancements in fitting. Golf clubs are more adjustable and launch monitors are more accurate.

Third, Solhiem is right that the ball is the solution. But instead of having 3 different balls just have two. One for tournament play and one for recreational. Every sport has different rules for the professionals than the amateurs.

In the NFL, you have to have 2 feet in bounds for a catch. In college it is only one. That makes it more difficult for the pro.

In the MLB, you have to use a wood bat. In college you can use an aluminum bat. That makes it more difficult for the pros.

In the NBA, there is no such thing as traveling. You do not have to dribble the basketball. In college you do have to dribble. That makes it easier for the pros but let's face it, the NBA is a different beast.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 05:58 PM

However, changing the clubs could help Ping as they then get to sell a whole new line of conforming clubs, so I'm not sure your take on the motivation is accurate.

Also the 3 point line is different in Basketball for college vs. pro.
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 01:37 PM

Tyk,

Obviously you're not a fan of this particular proposal, but what are your thoughts on having two sets of rules?
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Posted 15 January 2012 - 02:22 AM

I guess I'm not opposed to it. It makes more sense than continuously tinkering with recreational golfers to no good end. The so called problems with professional golf don't have much bearing on the world of recreational golf imo. We just had 4 golf courses close in Kansas City with the start of the new year. That didn't have a thing to with how far the ball flies! That's a problem more worthy of attention imo.

I guess my main beef with all this is that I don't think anyone has really demonstrated that players hitting the ball further is actually a problem in golf. If it is in fact a problem, there are other much less intrusive solutions than mandating equipment roll backs and rule changes. Fixing the course the pros play is an obvious example. Narrow the fairways, lengthen the rough, push the tees back. These are some obvious solutions the don't impact amateurs. This doesn't make any course unplayable for amateurs, as only the lucky few ever get to play a tournament course in tournament conditions. A US Open Course isn't set up that way very long!
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Posted 15 January 2012 - 07:57 AM

Here's an idea. Instead of limiting the equipment, they just need to make a rule that says instead of the pro's going to the range or the gym or the manufacture's trailer to get the equipment tweeked like they do now because they play for big $$, they go hang out in the bar and drink and smoke cigarettes like they used to. I did this today and did not have a single drive of 300 yards, so I have proof it works. (I did have a 290 but no 300's). It certainly works better than changing the grooves on the wedges.

Changing the grooves on wedges because they are driving the ball to far has to be the stupidest idea that I ever heard. That's like my car goes to fast, so I think I will upgrade the windshield wipers. On TV today, they had a 200 yard par 3 and one guy that I saw was hitting a 7 iron, but his grooves were conforming to the rules of competition. It landed on the green like a lawn dart. The pro's say it is easier to use the new wedges. That was before this year. Now, they claim they have better wedges now. More reason to buy more equipment.

Balls that go further or shorter is a close second in the dumb idea department. The pro's have fitness trainers, equipment vans, coaches, etc... they spend their lives doing nothing but this. They are the best so let them be the best and use the best. And if I want to spend my money on what they use I will do so. And I darn sure do not want to hear Nick Faldo or Johnnie Miller lamenting how far they used to drive the ball before it was limited.

They already have different tee boxes for the recreational golfer. The problem there is that people think they are the ladies tees, or senior's tees, or champion's tees. This is not how they were designed. They were so people with different abilities (Driving Distance) could play the same course. Yes, younger men, generally, hit the ball further than older men, who, generally, hit it further than women, but we need to remove the stigma of playing from the short tees. If you can only average hitting the ball 200 yards (honest measurement) then you should play the forward tee. If you can only average 230 move back. And so on. Instead, there are the people who play the back tees, and can only get to the green in two by shipping the ball UPS.

Course set up is the way to go. And to speed up play and make the game more challenging, do away with these manicured bunkers. Put grass bunkers and hills with high rough. My course remodeled a few years ago and removed all but 4 sand bunkers. I would rather be "short sided" in the sand than the deep grass any day. No amount of grooves will stop the ball on the green. But no raking the grass bunker.

These pro's play courses where one green is the size of 3 greens (and half the parking lot) at my home course. If you make a 50 foot putt at my course you did it from off the green so technically it was a chip. The fairways at these courses are mowed closer, and probably smoother, than our greens. The first cut is the length of our fairways. Even in the trees there is room to go for the green.

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