[GolfSpy Dave]

To Build a Better Golf Swing: Winter Edition
Golfspy Dave’s Handicap Reduction Program

What to do During the Golf Off Season?
A few weeks ago I started a thread in the MyGolfSpy forum asking what forum members do during the winter months to stay golf-fit during the off season (HERE). There were numerous suggestions. Some of the suggestions, like heading to the gym or putting in the basement, were helpful. Other suggestions, like living in a place where you can play golf all year, were not really applicable to everyone. Regardless, the replies in that thread really got me thinking about what I could do this winter to improve my game.

My initial thought was that I would take lessons. Although the weather in Northern California would probably support outdoor lessons, I decided that I wanted to pursue a lessons program that was based primarily upon indoor instruction. There were two main reasons behind this path. First of all, writing an article about taking lessons outdoors would be neither helpful nor relevant to golfers who live in climates where golf is not possible for weeks, if not months, this time of year. My second reason for indoor lesson curiosity comes from having a conversation with someone along my golfing path who did not believe that indoor lessons are effective at all. I remember that the argument was something along the lines of “how can you learn anything when you only see the first fifteen feet of ball flight”. I quote loosely there, but that was the general gist of the conversation.

So there in lies one of the central themes of this whole project, can indoor lessons be an effective way to improve your golf swing? Thinking about this made me realize that there are likely thousands of golf instructional facilities that teach completely indoors. This brought a few questions to mind:

• What if someone really can’t learn a golf swing by hitting into an indoor net?
  
• Are these facilities and instructors just farming money from desperate golfers?
  
• Should a golfer just save the lesson money until outdoor lessons are feasible?
  
• Can quality golf professionals overcome the limitations of an indoor environment and deliver a quality instructional program?
  
• Do some of the components of an indoor program, such as FlightScope units and video analysis, actually allow golf professionals to address aspects of the swing more effectively indoors than outdoors?

Armed with these questions, and more than a bit of curiosity, I went out to find a local indoor teaching facility.

So is Curiosity About Winter Lessons Your Only Motivation?
In the spirit of full disclosure, I will have to answer that question with a no. Although curiosity and wanting to provide information about the lessons for the readers of MyGolfSpy are drives for this project, the main drive is my nearly all consuming desire to play better golf. Those of you who read my Pebble Project series last summer have a reference point for my desire to improve. How many high-handicap, amateur golfers would be willing to publish every scorecard for other golfers to see and critique? I think that I improved greatly over the course of that project and I felt very satisfied as I reflected upon my play after the round at Edgewood Tahoe last summer. Progress was made in my game.

The thing that I have come to realize over the past couple of months though is that the progress I made last summer is not enough. I always sort of figured that bogey golf would be satisfying and sufficient. It is not. Maybe if I were playing true bogeys-only golf it would be different. My bogey golf consists of bogeys, but also double bogeys and pars. There are low rounds where I get into runs of pars, and high rounds where doubles would be welcome. Inconsistency in the constant. There is a thought in my head that says if I can shoot two or three pars per round, why can’t I shoot more? I want to be better and I am unwilling to accept that the swing I have now is the swing that I will have to play with for the rest of my life. I am motivated to improve, and you can rest assured that everything that I report back to you in this series will be coming from the perspective of the motivated student.

So What’s the Plan Dave?

Last summer I ran into someone that I went to high school with, Bobby Siravo. This is relevant because in addition to being a fellow alum, Bobby is also a former tour player who owns a golf shop, iFit Golf in Folsom, CA. Bobby’s shop seemed like the ideal setting for this project as it contains everything that you would find in an on course shop, excellent club selection, a putting green, club repair, clothing, footwear, and so on, minus an attached driving range or golf course. Lessons and fittings at iFit Golf are accomplished indoors in two Callaway Performance Studio hitting bays. I bet that iFit Golf looks quite a bit like the shops that you can find near you, thus making it perfect for this project.



After agreeing to participate in this project, Bobby introduced me to Kevin Estrella, the director of instruction at iFit Golf. As you can see from his website, Kevin has vast experience as a player and as an instructor who has been trained in the methodology of the Titleist Performance Institute and is an authorized instructor for The Golfing Machine. I found one of the statements on Kevin’s website to be very intriguing,

“As a certified golf fitness instructor Kevin will help you understand how your body affects your golf swing in order to help you find your most efficient swing- one that produces consistent, desired results”.

As many of you are aware, I came to the game of golf later in life than some, picking up the game at thirty-nine. My long-term goal is to play golf well into my senior years. I’m very interested to see what kind of swing Kevin can get my forty-two-year-old body to produce.

The Scope of the Project
Over the next few months, Kevin Estrella and I will be working together to:

• Assess my current golf swing
  
• Assess my current physical strength and flexibility
  
• Develop a plan to improve any areas of physical concern that could be affecting the swing.
  
• And finally, to develop my “most efficient swing- one that produces consistent, desired results”

I will be reporting my progress and lesson details on a weekly or bi-weekly basis, depending upon the specifics of the lessons. I will also be posting all scorecards like I did last summer during the Pebble Project.

In addition, there are a couple of new features that I think will make this project even bigger and more interesting to follow than the Pebble Project. First, I am going to include as much video as possible. Not really all that excited about this aspect, but video is a major component of most indoor lesson strategies. In addition to video, Kevin also will be using a launch monitor and simulator to track my launch conditions (i.e. ball speed, spin rates, launch angle, and shot dispersion). Also, through the use of a 3-dimensional motion capturing system called the K-vest we will be able to measure my swing efficiency via the kinematic sequence and use visual and auditory biofeedback to train and improve every aspect of my golf swing including set up, backswing, top, downswing, and impact. All of these feedback mechanisms will give you a concrete reference for how my swing is changing and improving (fingers crossed).

Secondly, we are also enlisting the assistance of a physical therapist, Greg Parry, to help with my strength and flexibility assessment and to help me get into my best golf shape. I don’t remember reading about another lesson program that has included this aspect. Greg is an excellent golfer and Titleist Performance Institute trained as well.


Another interesting addition will be that the other parties involved in the project, Kevin, Greg, and Bobby will also be adding commentary to the articles. I promise not to edit what they bring in any way so you can see what is happening from the different perspectives. I am looking forward to reading these sections perhaps even more than you are…

Finally, while my motivation for the project is to play better, Callaway Golf has generously volunteered to add some additional incentive for me to improve. Callaway Golf has committed to donate one junior set of golf clubs to the First Tee of Sacramento for each handicap point that I drop between now and the end of the Sunday round of the Master’s tournament in April. If I can improve, some young golfers will get brand new clubs. This is a huge motivation factor for me. I don’t want to let down those kids…


Coming Next: Initial Assessments
Next week, I will be posting the details about the initial assessments of my swing and physical condition. It may be ugly, but it will give us a place to move forward from. Until then, you can find out more about the people involved in the project by following these links:

Bobby Siravo, Owner of iFit Golf in Folsom, CA (LINK)

Kevin Estrella, Director of Instruction at iFit Golf and Kevin Estrella Golf (LINK)

Greg Parry, Owner and Physical Therapist at Parry Physical Therapy and Athletic Enhancement, Inc. (LINK)

As always, I welcome your comments and questions. Both directed toward me and also toward the other participants in the project. I can’t wait to hear what you think as this project progresses along. See you next week!

[wdgolf]

Looking forward to this. I've taken indoor lessons at GolfTown and a free lesson at GolfTEC. The GolfTown lessons (5-pack) used an aboutGolf simulator. The GolfTEC lesson used sensors on the body and a launch monitor (probably the same thing as the K-Vest). I can easily say the GolfTEC lessons were far superior due to all the data points, the capabilities of their facilities, and their customized set of drills you get after each lesson. In comparison, the GolfTown lessons were useful, but it was more geared towards quick fixes rather than fundamental fixes. Your lesson plan sound a whole lot more like the GolfTEC approach than the GolfTown.

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Callaway Golf has committed to donate one junior set of golf clubs to the First Tee of Sacramento for each handicap point that I drop between now and the end of the Sunday round of the Master’s tournament in April. If I can improve, some young golfers will get brand new clubs. This is a huge motivation factor for me. I don’t want to let down those kids…

This is just awesome on Callaway's part. Kudos to them and best of luck to you!

[GolfSpy Matt]

This sounds like a great project, Dave, and I'm excited to read about it. Good luck in bringing that handicap down!

[finalist]

I took several lesson from Kevin last year. He blew me away!

I've taken lessons from several local guys over the years and they all seem to push the latest tip from Golf Digest. I always leave thinking, I already knew that!

Kevin is way beyond those guys. He broke down my swing into motions of chain reactions and got down to the absolute root. He taught me mechanics that I never read about before (I'd like to think I read everything), nor has anyone from a CSUC coach to a former PGA Tour winner to several PGA instructors taught me.

A while back the Sacramento Bee did an article on Kevin and what initially intrigued me was that he is TPI and TGM certified. I felt these certs would point out my bio-mechanical qualities and lack of abilities rather than the more generic based instruction found on the local courses. I was right. His instruction was easy to understand and more importantly what I discovered is how many layers of faults he peeled back on my swing until we got to the root problem.

He is gold. I'm actually excited to see where your game goes.

[Jgolf]

This is great! One of the most exciting topics I have seen on this forum in a while

Good luck!

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Callaway just went up in my book... That's an amazing gesture.

[RoverRick]

I was one of the smarta$$es that said I lived in a warm climate and could play year round. Actually, today it was 39 degress with a 25 mph wind and I went and worked on my short game for an hour and a half. But it was 60 yesterday and will be close to 70 this weekend. I think if I lived in a place where I could not go out and play regularly, and since I do not live near a big city, 80 miles from Dallas. I would invest in an OptiShot. That is about the cost of a new driver, or what you may spend on lessons. I have never had a lesson so I have no idea how much they cost. But I think the Optishot is like $400. That might be a relatively cheap way to play year round indoors, but I have only seen the commercials.

[Phana24JG]

finalist, on 12 January 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

A while back the Sacramento Bee did an article on Kevin and what initially intrigued me was that he is TPI and TGM certified. I felt these certs would point out my bio-mechanical qualities and lack of abilities rather than the more generic based instruction found on the local courses. I was right. His instruction was easy to understand and more importantly what I discovered is how many layers of faults he peeled back on my swing until we got to the root problem.

He is gold. I'm actually excited to see where your game goes.

My only concern with TGM guys is that some of them tend to be book literalists. TGM is great, but science has already disproven many of Homer Kelley's major theorums, especially the concept of clubhead "lag" and the release.

[GolfSpy Dave]

To Build a Better Golf Swing Part 2: Initial Swing Assessment

It is what it is...
I think that it is safe to say that this is the section that I looked forward to the least as I thought about this project. It is one thing to know that your golf swing has flaws and it is a whole different thing to have someone tell you what they are. Perhaps having a pro diagnose a swing fault makes one’s “could be” thoughts about the faults reality rather than speculation. I think that the best way to describe it for me is that it feels a bit like when you head to the dentist. That little soreness in your bicuspid may just be something stuck under the gum, but it may also be the harbinger of a root canal. There is some soreness in my swing, for certain. I think that we may be looking at that root canal, or maybe even dentures...

Meeting with Kevin Estrella
Before we ever met over a golf club, Kevin and I met over coffee. Part of the motivation for this was to discuss the scope of this project, but I think that the meeting also allowed Kevin to gain an understanding of my perspective on golf. What I think that this allowed Kevin and I to do was to come to an understanding about what my real goals are as a player and whether or not they are realistic based upon the other commitments in my life that can take away from golf practice. Those silly things like work and family... Anyway, after talking to Kevin for an hour or so, I told him that I was playing in a few days at one of the local courses, Campus Commons Golf Course. Kevin said that he would meet me there and record some video so we could get started.

At Campus Commons GC
My friend Pete calls Campus Commons GC “the home of golf in Sacramento”. He is probably not too far off as many a golfer sank their first tee on this course. It is a little nine-hole course whose trees actually make some holes quite difficult to score on. I met a couple of friends to play with and Kevin said he would meet me a hole or two in. We actually met on the third hole, one of the two par 4’s on the course and Kevin had me step up and swing. There may have been some nerves involved as I initially teed up the ball in front of the tee markers. After taking some grief from Kevin and my “friends”, I fired off a beautiful high, right spinner out into the adjacent hole. Kevin then had me hit two more balls, this time with a 7-iron, while he filmed me first from the side then from the back. One of those 7-iron swings went almost 45° to the right, directly off the toe of the club. Three video sequences, the abominations of the golf ball. Kevin took off at that point and I tried to convince myself that it was good that he filmed bad swings because that would show us what we needed to work on. I didn’t really convince myself of this and I even emailed the scorecard to Kevin after the round to show him that I did score ok on some of the following holes. Maybe I thought that I could convince him (and myself) that the swings he filmed were aberrations and not my usual swing. I know, huh...

Swing Analysis At Kevin’s Studio
Much to my surprise, Kevin’s next email was not about canceling this project but rather setting up a time to meet at his studio. Kevin’s studio is located in a small office building, sharing space with an architectural firm and I think attorneys and maybe a state representative office. It couldn’t look more different from the on-course shop at Haggin Oaks GC where I have previously taken lessons. I don’t mean anything negative in either direction with that statement. The setting is just different.

Kevin’s studio is divided into three areas, the entry foyer, the computer and video area, and a hitting area featuring a large mat and net. If I could add a “golf room” to my house, Kevin’s studio would be a great model. Although I was perhaps more than a bit nervous going in, his studio and disposition were both very calming. My initial impression was that this was a place where one could journey to learn the golf swing. Think the opposite of the 30-minute quick fix lesson that you might get at a big box store. As a teacher myself, I appreciate it when someone creates an environment conducive to learning.

OK It’s a Nice Place, What About That Swing?
Perhaps I am stalling a bit. Take that as a way to empathize with my reluctance to watch the video. Judging by the output of that swing, there was likely nothing worth celebrating.



There it is. 1:49 of awful. Maybe future video installment should come with nausea disclaimers. If you are thinking “that is an awful swing”, welcome to the article. This series is not intended as a showcase for my golf prowess. It is an adventure in improvement, or maybe less-awfulness. Anyway, there are a couple of things in this video that have plagued me as long as I have swung a club:
• Swinging over the top on an out to in path.
• Early release of the hands; i.e. no lag
• Lack of balance due to poor weight shifts during the swing.

No surprises there, but knowing they exist and seeing they exist are two different things. As we watched the video, Kevin used the associated video analysis software to draw some lines on the video, leading us into a discussion of plane in the golf swing. I have heard of 1-plane and 2-plane swings before and I think that I have an understanding of what swinging on plane means. However recognizing an on-plane swing and performing one are two different animals all together. I’ll leave the specific analysis to Kevin, but it is no understatement to say that there are a lot of issues with my swing.

Initial Instructional Components
Kevin used the V1 video analysis to break down my swing and used some PGA tour players as models to illustrate and give me an understanding of certain concepts of the golf swing. He stressed it’s important to understand and be able to visualize what we are trying to do before we actually put things into motion and try to do it.

Swinging to Low Point
Currently, I rarely take a divot and if I do, it starts at my right toe and is the result of swinging fat. Kevin explained to me the concept of “low point” in the golf swing. The club should reach low point when the left arm is extended and pointing at the ground (the left hand even with the left shoulder). Prior to this point the club is descending; after this point the club is ascending. Therefore, if the ball is anywhere behind low point then I should be hitting the ball with a descending blow. The club head continues to travel down until it reaches low point. This produces the divot in front of the ball. Sometimes people (i.e. ME) do things they shouldn’t do to alter low point. For now, Kevin told me not to even worry about the ball- just swing to low point.

I don’t take divots because I never allowed the club to reach the proper low point. I swing out to in. I flip through the impact zone just hoping to make contact with the ball. My left and right arms are fully extended and my wrists are un-cocked way too early in the down swing. As my left wrist bends (the dreaded flipping of the hands) prior to impact my club head is already beginning to ascend (again, before impact). I don’t stand a chance of allowing my club head to reach the proper low point and make a divot in front of the ball. Kevin said one of the absolute keys to good golf is to hit with a FLAT LEFT WRIST.

Swinging On Plane
The club path of my golf swing is chaotic and definitely not on the correct plane relative to the target line. As we watched the video I was starting to wonder how I even make contact with the ball at all. As we watched the one that shot off the toe, Kevin pointed out that I actually did almost miss that one completely. I take the club back too far inside, I rotate the clubface open during the backswing, I rotate my shoulders to initiate the down swing which then necessitates casting, and so on. My swing is a PhD project in how to swing off plane. How can I hope to make good contact with the ball when the only time I have the club in sync with the target line is at address? The concept he wants me to have to swing on plane is that either the tip of the shaft or the butt end of the shaft (whichever is closest to the ground) points to the target line at all times except when the club is parallel to the target line.

Basic Motion
With so many things to work on, I found it interesting that the first thing that Kevin and I worked on was “Basic Motion”. Basic Motion represents the golf swing through the impact zone. Think about two feet behind and two feet in front of the ball. For now, he wanted me to think of Basic Motion as representing the movements that initiate the golf swing and also the swing at and through impact. Before even embarking on any sort of practice we watched some swing videos to catalog the characteristics of a good swing at impact. These are some of the things that stuck with me from that analysis:
• Left wrist is flat at impact
• Right arm is bent at impact
• The swing has not yet reached low point.

I had heard about the left wrist component, but the right arm was a surprise. I think that I have always focused on the left arm when I watch videos, “knowing” that I want to keep that arm straight. It was enlightening to see that regardless of the tour pro or the club, that right elbow was still bent at impact. Kevin explained to me that during impact (and basic motion), the right arm basically functions like a piston, moving back and forth on a linear path.

This led us to some Basic Motion practice. Kevin had me take a golf stance and grab my left wrist with my right hand. Keeping my left arm straight, he told me to move the left arm back and forth by bending and extending the right arm. After some tweaks on elbow path, I had the basic feeling for the piston-action of the right arm. He then put a club in my hands and had me make the same motion. It did not feel natural at all. I took this as a good omen as what feels natural for me is actually awful.

While I could feel the piston action, I could not readily make my swing get to low point. Kevin manipulated me into “impact preview” position. In other words, how I would be configured at impact. Once we did this, my ability to get to low point improved somewhat, but doing so really was a struggle of brain vs. body, where body has other ideas about what we should be doing. After practicing this for a while, we finished that session with my homework assignment being the practice of Basic Motion featuring swinging to low point with a flat left wrist.

I left knowing that we were beginning on a path that would take me to a different and significantly improved golf swing. However it was a bit demoralizing to know that we essentially have to trash everything and start over. Welcome to Golfspy Dave’s humility project...

Kevin Estrella’s Initial Assessment

I always like talk to new students for awhile to get to know them before I just “start the lesson.” To gain additional information from Dave, I also had him fill out a questionnaire prior to starting the lessons just so I could begin to understand how he thinks about the golf swing and what he tries to do when hitting a ball. A copy of the questionnaire can be found here (BELOW). The questionnaire constantly gets modified and updated. Here are some questions I try to get answered prior to the first lesson or very early on during the lesson process by either talking to the student or reviewing their completed questionnaire.

• What does the student want to get out of the lessons? What are the goals?
  
• How does the student describe their current “misses”?
  
• How long has the student played golf?
  
• How often does the student play golf?
  
• What does the student do to be active?
  
• What is the student’s understanding of how to swing a golf club? What is he/she trying to do?
  
• How has the student gained their golf swing knowledge (e.g., friends, golf periodicals, golf telecasts, instructional videos, previous lessons)?
  
• Are there any existing injuries or related health concerns?

I use the information gathered above to help me understand my students, to make connections with them, and to help me communicate effectively with them.

My first impression of Dave is that here is someone who is truly interested in understanding and improving his golf swing. He is not someone looking for a magic “golf tip” that will enable him to play better golf. I’m not too keen on working with someone looking to take one lesson thinking he/she will be cured from that one meeting. In talking with Dave he seems to be aware of his swing flaws but doesn’t know how to correct them. I’m sure that sounds familiar to many people.

Watching Dave Swing

When I first saw Dave swing, the first thing that jumped out at me was:

• His hands would flip during impact causing his left wrist to bend and his left elbow to bend


• He has difficulty swinging in balance and his left foot “spins out” during impact and into the follow through


• His hips would move toward the ball during the down swing (early extension) causing him to lose posture during impact


Watching how his body moved during the swing I immediately suspected some hip flexibility/mobility issues, which certainly could lead to the swing faults listed above. If that’s the case, then those hip issues need to be addressed before any real change can take place. For any student’s swing fault(s), the underlying cause(s) could be any of the following:
• Student doesn’t know the correct technique
• Student is using the wrong equipment
• Student has physical limitations
It’s important to tease out what is contributing to the swing fault. Early in my teaching career I always jumped to that first bullet point and assumed the student just didn’t know the proper technique relative to any particular swing fault (i.e., “Here’s what you are doing…Do this instead…”). Many times, it’s just not that simple or clear cut.

Using some of the physical screens I learned while at the Titleist Performance Institute I could see that Dave had some challenges with his left internal hip rotation. Coupled with what I saw of the movement pattern of his body while watching him swing and studying his video, I decided to refer him to a sports physical therapist, Greg Parry, for more extensive evaluation and/or correction. I pointed this all out to Dave and he found it intriguing how something physical can potentially be causing many of the swing faults of which he was already aware.

As for the initial plan of correction, in addition to the referral to the sports physical therapist I wanted to start educating (or in some cases re-educating) Dave on the following:
• What it means to have a “square” club face during the swing
• What it means to swing on-plane
• Where “low point” is in the golf swing
• How to use his hands through the impact zone. TIME TO STOP THE FLIP!


Whatever we are working on in a lesson here are the questions that will serve as a template:
➢ Do I understand the concept?
➢ Can I visualize it? Do I have a mental picture of what it should look like?
➢ Can I put it into motion? Can I feel it?
➢ Will my body allow me to do it?


I want Dave to practice with short swings (basic motion- 2 feet back and 2 feet through) in order to minimize the need for a pivot while we get that hip looked at in more detail. This will allow him to focus on the piston action of the right arm (i.e., bending & straightening) and the flat left wrist.

The drill for Dave was to lay a club between his feet perpendicular to the target line in the center of his stance, leave a space 8-10 inches where an imaginary ball would be then place a club across from the other club, again perpendicular to the target line. This gives him a frame of reference for him to swing to low point. All he does is set up to the imaginary ball and swing the club two feet back and two feet through by bending and straightening his right arm down and through low point. I want him to start from the impact preview position (i.e., hands a little ahead of the imaginary ball, left wrist flat, and slightly more weight on left foot vs. right). If he hits the ground (or his carpet in his living room) “in front” of the clubs lying on the ground and his left wrist is flat as he holds his finish, then it’s a successful swing.
Yes, the drill is that simple and very necessary for Dave. Once he gets comfortable doing it without a ball then he can do it while hitting a ball.

Now, let’s go see Greg and get that body evaluated!


That's it for this week. Remember you can find out more about the players in this swing drama at the following sites:

Bobby Siravo, Owner of iFit Golf in Folsom, CA (LINK)

Kevin Estrella, Director of Instruction at iFit Golf and Kevin Estrella Golf (LINK)

Greg Parry, Owner and Physical Therapist at Parry Physical Therapy and Athletic Enhancement, Inc. (LINK)

Let's hear those questions and comments. I can take it

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[JBones]

It's not THAT bad. You're setup and posture look great, you just have to maintain it (I know, a lot easier said than done). Swing plane is what I have always struggled with the most also; I always have taken it back too far inside and really have to flip my hands at impact to get the clubface square.

[CCGolf]

This is awesome! Dave is in good hands on all counts. Kevin, Greg, and Bobby are all great guys who happen to be VERY good at what they do. I can't wait to hear how Dave progresses!

[GolfSpy Dave]

JBones, on 25 January 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

It's not THAT bad. You're setup and posture look great, you just have to maintain it (I know, a lot easier said than done). Swing plane is what I have always struggled with the most also; I always have taken it back too far inside and really have to flip my hands at impact to get the clubface square.

CCGolf, on 25 January 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

This is awesome! Dave is in good hands on all counts. Kevin, Greg, and Bobby are all great guys who happen to be VERY good at what they do. I can't wait to hear how Dave progresses!

Thanks for the encouragement. Posting swing videos is not really my idea of fun at this point. Id os feel confident that future videos will be easier on the eyes though.

[finalist]

When I had lessons with Kevin we covered the piston move a lot too. Now that it's been over a year I can really see the change with my irons. Distance and height are up with a swing that feels like it is slower moving and less aggressive.

We should all get together and play a round.

[GolfSpy Dave]

finalist, on 27 January 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

When I had lessons with Kevin we covered the piston move a lot too. Now that it's been over a year I can really see the change with my irons. Distance and height are up with a swing that feels like it is slower moving and less aggressive.

We should all get together and play a round.

Great idea as soon as my "transition swing" stabilizes into something I can play with

[CCGolf]

GolfSpy Dave, on 28 January 2012 - 04:21 AM, said:

Great idea as soon as my "transition swing" stabilizes into something I can play with

Do I smell a Sacramento MGS outing? When Kevin gives you permission of course....

[GolfSpy Tim]

Sacramento? I could be convinced to drive up and get out with you guys!!!