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#31 BK in TEXAS

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:45 AM

so let me try and express my thoughts in bullet points.



Well said.

Extemely well said.

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#32 BK in TEXAS

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:46 AM

NO, Gents, I know that my non-renewal(36 years as a member) is insignificant, however, if enough of us say, "go screw yourself," well, maybe they'll get the message,

Good for you! And if enough other folks do the same they'll start to get the message.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:57 PM

The rule that must go, and most weekend warriors don't play it, is the curse of hitting a ball in the fairway, and end up in a divot. How do you get penalized for landing in a fairway??? Pros should be able to take a drop. My group plays you can roll the ball in the fairway, no huge advantages, you hit the fairway.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:46 PM

Here's my crazy idea of the day.

Mickelson is slowing down but still loves the game and seems to love to promote it. Perhaps when he's done, say in a couple of years, he gets stuck somewhere way up in the USGA. Then there's someone both amateurs like and Pro's seem to respect (now that's he's mellowed). Seems to want to ensure Tour players can do their thing but also speaks out regularly about how stupid somethings are for amateurs (mostly course length and design).

Perhaps he could bridge the gap that seems to be splitting the USGA vs the Tour vs the amateurs?
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:43 AM

Here's my crazy idea of the day.

Mickelson is slowing down but still loves the game and seems to love to promote it. Perhaps when he's done, say in a couple of years, he gets stuck somewhere way up in the USGA. Then there's someone both amateurs like and Pro's seem to respect (now that's he's mellowed). Seems to want to ensure Tour players can do their thing but also speaks out regularly about how stupid somethings are for amateurs (mostly course length and design).

Perhaps he could bridge the gap that seems to be splitting the USGA vs the Tour vs the amateurs?



How about just not making dumb rules?

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:28 AM

How about just not making dumb rules?


That requires a decision maker who understands what qualifies as "dumb" for both Pro's and Amateurs. The current group does/does not seem to have a grasp on that depending on who you talk to. Many think the belly ban ban is dumb, many others don't and a third group didn't choose but wanted the reasoning behind the choice.

Thus, clear the slate and bring in someone's that respected for their thoughts on both side of the game, who's willing to have discussion and make public the process and reasoning to it's members, yet make a choice either way. My crazy theory is he could do that. The current group can't.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:58 AM

That requires a decision maker who understands what qualifies as "dumb" for both Pro's and Amateurs. The current group does/does not seem to have a grasp on that depending on who you talk to. Many think the belly ban ban is dumb, many others don't and a third group didn't choose but wanted the reasoning behind the choice.

Thus, clear the slate and bring in someone's that respected for their thoughts on both side of the game, who's willing to have discussion and make public the process and reasoning to it's members, yet make a choice either way. My crazy theory is he could do that. The current group can't.



They might be able to get Vijay to be the interm USGA president. He may have some free time on his hands, or is it hooves. :lol:

Since he has used both he can see both sides of the issue, especially in the $9000 blinking lights he sleeps under.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:06 AM

Well said T.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:52 PM

  • Two sets of rules would force so called "serious" golfers to stop looking down their noses as the recreational guys trying to have fun (incidentally I've found that anybody who frequently uses the phrase "seriously golfer" is almost always a serious *******). You want to grow the game? Get rid of the arrogance.
  • The rules as written are impractical for weekend play. Return to the tee after a lost ball? At 10AM on a Saturday on a crowded Muni? No f'n chance. Let's make the stakes one color, stroke is enough of a penalty. The distance piece punishes everyone else on the course. It makes sense on tour, but not for most other situations.
  • Bifurcation already exists. I can't wear metal spikes. Pros can. I can wear shorts. They can't. I can take a cart. They can't. I can use a ragnefinder or GPS, they can't. PGA Pros have galleries and search parties - essentially a perpetual forecaddie to help them find the ball - the average guy gets to eat the stroke. That's hardly a just and equal application of the rules.There's a serious case of denial here.


These three bullets (plus that divot rule) should be written in petition form, circulated, signed and shipped to the powers that be at the USGA. Might want to leave the "serious *******" comment out - not sure how that would be received at HQ.Posted Image

We play a different game from the pros. If the standard of "what any reasonable man or woman would conclude" would apply - it's ridiculously obvious there are two completely different games here, and there should be two different sets of rules. Any USGA sanctioned event, pro or amateur, can use the "strict" rules, while the rest of us can play by the "regular" rules - like you say, we do anyway....

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 03:34 AM

Interesting interview with Taylor Made CEO, Mark King today from Orlando. King wants the golf industry to declare Jihad on the USGA and develop a new set of rules to grow the game. Sounds like they'll still manufacture long putters and he's not going to give up his own gamer either. From this interview, I left with the impression they may even start offering an entire non-conforming line. Started to sound a little bafoonish when he suggested players would snub USGA events in protest of the governing rules for these tournaments. Come on Mark-O you lost me there. The US Open? Have a read:

http://scoregolf.com.../taking-a-stand

Looks like The non-conforming line is on the horizon.

http://geareffectgol...ny-slope-clubs/

Callaway tried and failed with this years ago. Maybe TM can do it better? What wins on Sunday, sells Monday. Not sure what to think about this.

I mean, there are already non-conforming balls out that allow you to hit straight as an arrow or longer, and they aren't flying off store shelves.

Can TM market this right and turn it into sales? If any company can, it's them.
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