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How do y'all feel about shaft shims? I had a fitting the other day and the shafts that fit me best I can only find in .355 and the heads I want them in are .370. It seems like most people just think it's ok to use those brass shaft shims. I trust you guys here though. What do you think? Use the shims or go on a wild goose chase for .370 shafts?

It's all about the short game, unless you can't keep it in play!

What's in my Bag:
Driver: Adams Speedline Super LS 10.5 with Excalibur T7+ tour stiff shaft
3 Wood: Adams Speedline Super LS 13 degree with Excalibur TFW Tour stiff shaft
Hybrid: Nickent 6DT 19 degree Aldilla Voodoo NV Stiff shaft
Irons: 4-9 KZG Tour Evolution with Nippon N.S. Pro Modus 3 tour 120 x flex shafts
Wedges:49 degree Dave Pelz wedge with a Nippon N.S. Pro Modus tour 120 x flex shaft. 54,64 Dave Pelz wedges with Rifle spinner shafts 59 Degree Scor wedge with rifle spinner shaft.
Putter: Bentinardi Ben Hogan Big Ben Center shafted 33 inches with best grips custom pistol putter grip.

Ball: Titleist Pro V1X, Callaway Hex Chrome +

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what shafts were you looking at?

Driver:   :callaway-small: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5

FW:   :cobra-small: F6 baffler set at 16º

Hybrid:  NONE
Irons:   :taylormade-small:  3i 2014 TP CB  4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400

Wedges:   :nike-small: 52º :nike-small: 56º  :edel-golf-1: 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped

Putter:   :ping-small: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot

 

 

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I only look to shims and other force fit procedures when left with absolutely no other alternative. There was a time these tricks were necessary but that is no longer the case. There are just too many resources available from the shops that I find it improbable the right shaft cannot be found.

 

 

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You can use the glass beads to fill the gap. Simply mix it with the epoxy and assemble the shafts and heads. Now the shims ensure that the shaft is centered. I have used shims numerous times and have had no problems with them. I have also used the glass beads. No big deal to me.

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what shafts were you looking at?

Nippon Modus 3 tour 120 x flex. I see reviews that say you can get them in .370, but at golf works, golfsmith, eBay, etc. you can only find .335.

It's all about the short game, unless you can't keep it in play!

What's in my Bag:
Driver: Adams Speedline Super LS 10.5 with Excalibur T7+ tour stiff shaft
3 Wood: Adams Speedline Super LS 13 degree with Excalibur TFW Tour stiff shaft
Hybrid: Nickent 6DT 19 degree Aldilla Voodoo NV Stiff shaft
Irons: 4-9 KZG Tour Evolution with Nippon N.S. Pro Modus 3 tour 120 x flex shafts
Wedges:49 degree Dave Pelz wedge with a Nippon N.S. Pro Modus tour 120 x flex shaft. 54,64 Dave Pelz wedges with Rifle spinner shafts 59 Degree Scor wedge with rifle spinner shaft.
Putter: Bentinardi Ben Hogan Big Ben Center shafted 33 inches with best grips custom pistol putter grip.

Ball: Titleist Pro V1X, Callaway Hex Chrome +

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Nippon Modus 3 tour 120 x flex. I see reviews that say you can get them in .370, but at golf works, golfsmith, eBay, etc. you can only find .335.

 

Might have to be something you special order from Nippon or which ever manufacture heads you're looking at

Driver:   :callaway-small: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5

FW:   :cobra-small: F6 baffler set at 16º

Hybrid:  NONE
Irons:   :taylormade-small:  3i 2014 TP CB  4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400

Wedges:   :nike-small: 52º :nike-small: 56º  :edel-golf-1: 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped

Putter:   :ping-small: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot

 

 

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I have also used shims in the past on my own clubs and on customers and I have never had any problems. I use plenty of epoxy

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You can use the glass beads to fill the gap. Simply mix it with the epoxy and assemble the shafts and heads. Now the shims ensure that the shaft is centered. I have used shims numerous times and have had no problems with them. I have also used the glass beads. No big deal to me.

Same as Rick here; never had a problem with shims, but I ALWAYS use shafting beads to fill the space. I use silica sand, instead of glass beads; you can pick that up at any home improvement store.

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Thanks for the info guys.

It's all about the short game, unless you can't keep it in play!

What's in my Bag:
Driver: Adams Speedline Super LS 10.5 with Excalibur T7+ tour stiff shaft
3 Wood: Adams Speedline Super LS 13 degree with Excalibur TFW Tour stiff shaft
Hybrid: Nickent 6DT 19 degree Aldilla Voodoo NV Stiff shaft
Irons: 4-9 KZG Tour Evolution with Nippon N.S. Pro Modus 3 tour 120 x flex shafts
Wedges:49 degree Dave Pelz wedge with a Nippon N.S. Pro Modus tour 120 x flex shaft. 54,64 Dave Pelz wedges with Rifle spinner shafts 59 Degree Scor wedge with rifle spinner shaft.
Putter: Bentinardi Ben Hogan Big Ben Center shafted 33 inches with best grips custom pistol putter grip.

Ball: Titleist Pro V1X, Callaway Hex Chrome +

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Nippon's web page

 

http://nipponshaft.com/?page_id=25

 

only shows them in 0.355".

Yeah, made some calls today and found that out. They only come in .335. I also talked to a spectacular club fitter who said that If they were the best shafts I should just get them put in with shims. Now I need to find some on the cheap. $500 installed or $37 a shaft isn't cutting it. Anybody got some pulls or some they'd be willing to let go for cheap.

It's all about the short game, unless you can't keep it in play!

What's in my Bag:
Driver: Adams Speedline Super LS 10.5 with Excalibur T7+ tour stiff shaft
3 Wood: Adams Speedline Super LS 13 degree with Excalibur TFW Tour stiff shaft
Hybrid: Nickent 6DT 19 degree Aldilla Voodoo NV Stiff shaft
Irons: 4-9 KZG Tour Evolution with Nippon N.S. Pro Modus 3 tour 120 x flex shafts
Wedges:49 degree Dave Pelz wedge with a Nippon N.S. Pro Modus tour 120 x flex shaft. 54,64 Dave Pelz wedges with Rifle spinner shafts 59 Degree Scor wedge with rifle spinner shaft.
Putter: Bentinardi Ben Hogan Big Ben Center shafted 33 inches with best grips custom pistol putter grip.

Ball: Titleist Pro V1X, Callaway Hex Chrome +

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Yeah, made some calls today and found that out. They only come in .335. I also talked to a spectacular club fitter who said that If they were the best shafts I should just get them put in with shims. Now I need to find some on the cheap. $500 installed or $37 a shaft isn't cutting it. Anybody got some pulls or some they'd be willing to let go for cheap.

 

 

You don't pull shims, you discard them. Filled epoxy will do the job for you as long as don't let it get into your mind. It can be steel filled, glass or even sugar. There are a lot of choices and the only limitation is whatever is available to you. That should cost you the same as any normal shaft installation.

 

You could also ask Tom Wishon, a member on this site, if there is a shaft close enough to the specs of your favored shaft that comes with a 370 tip. He has done a lot of work charting the flex and bend characteristics of many shafts.

 

 

Shambles

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Pretty sure he's asking if anyone has those shafts. Shims are cheap.

 

Keep checking eBay. They'll show up.

 

 

You are probably right.

 

I had the impression, from the first post, that he had already bought the shafts. Either the first post or some subsequent. Regardless, given time, they should turn up somewhere. Just keep looking and keep the cash handy.

 

I still think an inquiry with Tom Wishon will offer a few viable alternatives, but if the mind wants those particular shafts, there is no saying no to that.

 

 

Shambles

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I had a custom fitting that showed that those shafts were the perfect fit for me. Launch and spin were perfect with the same heads I already own. I am doing exactly what you guys were suggesting. I am checking ebay and I have a WTB up on WRX. The X flex are not as easy to come up on. I got many people trying to sell me stiffs, but those aren't stiff enough.

 

Also as far as bend profile I have talked to some people who are shaft nerds and great custom fitters and they have said that the modus 3 120 is a very unique shaft. There isn't anything else out there like it.

 

Here is a link talking about the shaft: Nippon Modus 3 120

It's all about the short game, unless you can't keep it in play!

What's in my Bag:
Driver: Adams Speedline Super LS 10.5 with Excalibur T7+ tour stiff shaft
3 Wood: Adams Speedline Super LS 13 degree with Excalibur TFW Tour stiff shaft
Hybrid: Nickent 6DT 19 degree Aldilla Voodoo NV Stiff shaft
Irons: 4-9 KZG Tour Evolution with Nippon N.S. Pro Modus 3 tour 120 x flex shafts
Wedges:49 degree Dave Pelz wedge with a Nippon N.S. Pro Modus tour 120 x flex shaft. 54,64 Dave Pelz wedges with Rifle spinner shafts 59 Degree Scor wedge with rifle spinner shaft.
Putter: Bentinardi Ben Hogan Big Ben Center shafted 33 inches with best grips custom pistol putter grip.

Ball: Titleist Pro V1X, Callaway Hex Chrome +

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Hey rickles I found this listing for the shafts you were looking for

Driver:   :callaway-small: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5

FW:   :cobra-small: F6 baffler set at 16º

Hybrid:  NONE
Irons:   :taylormade-small:  3i 2014 TP CB  4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400

Wedges:   :nike-small: 52º :nike-small: 56º  :edel-golf-1: 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped

Putter:   :ping-small: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot

 

 

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I had a custom fitting that showed that those shafts were the perfect fit for me. Launch and spin were perfect with the same heads I already own. I am doing exactly what you guys were suggesting. I am checking ebay and I have a WTB up on WRX. The X flex are not as easy to come up on. I got many people trying to sell me stiffs, but those aren't stiff enough.

 

Also as far as bend profile I have talked to some people who are shaft nerds and great custom fitters and they have said that the modus 3 120 is a very unique shaft. There isn't anything else out there like it.

 

Here is a link talking about the shaft: Nippon Modus 3 120

 

 

I think I can better appreciate your problem at this point. I'm still uncertain if you have already bought the shafts, but if you have, in general, filled epoxy gives a trouble free operation almost all the time. Those rare times I have seen problems have been due to installers error. For such a simple job as installing a shaft, there are surprisingly a few errors that really can cause problems down the road but they can be avoided easily if the installer pays attention to his work and has a reasonable understanding of how these things work. It's really a simple operation but carelessness can sabotage the easiest jobs.

 

If you have not yet bought the shafts, it might be possible for you to consult a different fitter. Fitting is part art and science and much relies upon the judgement of the fitter himself. It's almost impossible for me to imagine any golfer needing any single specific shaft as the only road to improvement, especially if that specific shaft is very expensive and in a category all it's own. I'm more inclined to believe that shaft has possibilities of being good for you but there should also be other shafts that are good enough and can offer improvements too. The difference might not be worth the cost and trouble. Of course, if you can easily afford the time trouble and cost, go for it. I would. Nothing better than settling things with you hands and mind. :D It frees you up to deal with other things.

 

 

 

Shambles

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The only problem with glass beads is that they can weaken the epoxy. The problem with shims is if you want to remove the shaft afterwards, getting the shim out can be a pain, but I usually get it with some tweezers.

 

But as far as installing shims and using them while playing, you won't fee a thing. I use brass shims from Golfsmith and end up having to clip the wings in half in order to get it to fit easily.

 

 

 

 

 

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The only other one out there like it is the Steelfiber i80 but there's obviously a huge weight difference there. Plus, they're even more expensive new

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Hey rickles I found this listing for the shafts you were looking for

 

I know, I am the one who bid on them. Thanks, I am scoping a set on wrx too. I'll get whichever ones I can get for cheaper.

It's all about the short game, unless you can't keep it in play!

What's in my Bag:
Driver: Adams Speedline Super LS 10.5 with Excalibur T7+ tour stiff shaft
3 Wood: Adams Speedline Super LS 13 degree with Excalibur TFW Tour stiff shaft
Hybrid: Nickent 6DT 19 degree Aldilla Voodoo NV Stiff shaft
Irons: 4-9 KZG Tour Evolution with Nippon N.S. Pro Modus 3 tour 120 x flex shafts
Wedges:49 degree Dave Pelz wedge with a Nippon N.S. Pro Modus tour 120 x flex shaft. 54,64 Dave Pelz wedges with Rifle spinner shafts 59 Degree Scor wedge with rifle spinner shaft.
Putter: Bentinardi Ben Hogan Big Ben Center shafted 33 inches with best grips custom pistol putter grip.

Ball: Titleist Pro V1X, Callaway Hex Chrome +

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All I know is that on the launch monitor, launch and spin were perfect, I got more ball speed with a slightly slower swing speed, I was hitting them 10 yards further than my gamers, and as far as dispersion you could throw a blanket over them. I have tried the steelfibers and I do not get as good a dispersion. On the monitor I was always more consistent with something heavier.

It's all about the short game, unless you can't keep it in play!

What's in my Bag:
Driver: Adams Speedline Super LS 10.5 with Excalibur T7+ tour stiff shaft
3 Wood: Adams Speedline Super LS 13 degree with Excalibur TFW Tour stiff shaft
Hybrid: Nickent 6DT 19 degree Aldilla Voodoo NV Stiff shaft
Irons: 4-9 KZG Tour Evolution with Nippon N.S. Pro Modus 3 tour 120 x flex shafts
Wedges:49 degree Dave Pelz wedge with a Nippon N.S. Pro Modus tour 120 x flex shaft. 54,64 Dave Pelz wedges with Rifle spinner shafts 59 Degree Scor wedge with rifle spinner shaft.
Putter: Bentinardi Ben Hogan Big Ben Center shafted 33 inches with best grips custom pistol putter grip.

Ball: Titleist Pro V1X, Callaway Hex Chrome +

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There are few different options for shims, and if installed correctly, there shouldn't be any issues.

 

I've used sugar before, didn't like it as much.

I've used brass shims from Golfsmith, works great, sometime you have to cut it short, or remove some legs (there are 6 legs).

I've used those fine mesh tape for the drywall application. I think this works the best and cheapest option as well.

 

Once installed, there shouldn't be any issue at all.

Driver: Snake Eye 9.5* Python XLD w/ AXE FW Regular, tipped 1"

4 Wood: Bridgestone J40 with AXE FW Stiff

Hybrid 19*, Acer XF, FST 115 Pro, stiff

Hybrid 25*, Bobby Jones, stock shaft, stiff

Irons 4-6: Tommy Armour, 845c silverback forged, R300

Irons 7-P: Tommy Armour, 845m Silverback forged, S300

Wedges: 56* Eidolon; 60* Mizuno

Putter: SC - Monterey 35", stock weight

Balls: B-Stone B330RX-S

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Don't use sugar, it melts and loses its granular texture. Glass heads are for filling small imperfections, not to be used as shims, don't do that either, plus it leads to shaft creak.

 

The best method is to use brass shims or drywall tape. We've discussed this before. The fiberglass tape is easiest cause its like $5 a roll for a ton of it and lots of people already have it around and don't have to order it. I have a ton of brass shims and I still use the drywall tape. It comes out easier when cleaning hosels. Just drill it out and you're done.

In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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