GolfSpy AFG and the Pursuit of Scratch

Love the idea of the carnivore diet. Do you still eat 3x per day or have you trimmed that back as well? I only eat one meal a day currently. I also agree wholeheartedly with the idea that processed foods and sugars are very toxic, I just have trouble quitting them!

Also googling Wim Hof breathing!

Edited November 14 by vandyland

I just told my wife I want to try the carnivore diet when the cow we just bought is butchered. I’ve only heard really good things from people that have done it or currently on it.

The cold plunge though? I’d love the benefits but I can’t stand the cold! 

52 minutes ago, Coulter said:

I just told my wife I want to try the carnivore diet when the cow we just bought is butchered. I’ve only heard really good things from people that have done it or currently on it.

The cold plunge though? I’d love the benefits but I can’t stand the cold! 

You'd be surprised at how quickly you get used to it.

Try a little experiment:  when you take your next shower, do your normal routine, step out of the water, crank it as cold as you can and get back in.  It should take your breath away and suck, but breathe through it.  Anyway, do that and then tell me you don't feel great an hour later.  Small window into cold plunging benefits.

The ice plunge is just crazy to me!  Shortly after seeing posts about this, our water heater went out which left me taking cold showers (and my wife going to her parent's house to take a shower)…let’s just say it was not a pleasant time in our house! 

Glad to see the changes are working for you!

Skip the Hydrogen Water you already have plenty of Hydrogen Ions in your stomach and your body maintains the pH balance in your stomach well on its own, the other changes have some good research to back them up especially the cold plunge which can help with inflammation especially in old people muscles after activity (It's ok I can say it I hit 43 last week so I'm right there with the early breakdown starting myself) 

16 minutes ago, GolfSpy AFG said:

You'd be surprised at how quickly you get used to it.

Try a little experiment:  when you take your next shower, do your normal routine, step out of the water, crank it as cold as you can and get back in.  It should take your breath away and suck, but breathe through it.  Anyway, do that and then tell me you don't feel great an hour later.  Small window into cold plunging benefits.

Challenge accepted. How long do you recommend for a 1st timer?

1 hour ago, GolfSpy AFG said:

You'd be surprised at how quickly you get used to it.

Try a little experiment:  when you take your next shower, do your normal routine, step out of the water, crank it as cold as you can and get back in.  It should take your breath away and suck, but breathe through it.  Anyway, do that and then tell me you don't feel great an hour later.  Small window into cold plunging benefits.

Does this have the same benefits? It really wasn’t bad after the initial shock.

Interesting. I am a long time fan of a low carb high protein lifestyle. I read 

Protein Power: The High-Protein/Low Carbohydrate Way to Lose Weight, Feel Fit, and Boost Your Health-in Just Weeks!

Just shortly after it came out and have lived it ever since. 

There is one downfall that you should be aware of and it is insidious. Prolonged eschewing of carbohydrates, especially wheat products could give you gluten issues. Gluten hides everywhere. From soy sauce to brown gravy, to hard candy. Once you can no longer tolerate gluten it lets you know by making you hurt.  

@GolfSpy AFG with the carnivore diet did you change your calorie intake or do you struggle to get to what you were taking in before?

Hayes i commend you on all these efforts!

Not sure about the $200 water thing, though, but if you think it helps you then why not. Have another friend who actually consumes hydrogen peroxide .. chemical symbol H2O2 ie two oxygen molecules (vs water H2O) so he believes he's hyper oxygenating his blood.

Anyway for me sorry but I could not do the strict carnivore thing. Yeah I love meat but c'mon - no pizza??!! No beer???!!!! Oh that's just crazy talk

Have you tried using a sauna? 

 

Interesting post. Definitely food for thought (pun intended). At 65, I’m well into the end stretch. Definitely not giving up, but I’m on the ride…  My thoughts:

The cold tub brought back HS and College athletics. Great relief, but that first minute… 

I agree diet/nutrition is important. Whatever optimally fuels your body is best for golf and life! Moderation is important too.

Breath work/meditation, definitely. This is great for life in general. Clear your head, then focus. There are a lot of programs out there for general well being. I believe in the Balance app, as well as Dare and Mind Caddy for golf. 

Hydrogen water: whatever floats your boat. They say water is great/needed in general. How you prefer to get it is your call. 
 

Things I’ve found helpful:

Theragun (or a more reasonable facsimile). Definitely helps me get the kinks out of shoulders, back, legs. 

Home TENS machine: I can’t get my doc to script me a real unit, but the home TENS units are a must for me and my bad back, shoulders, neck!

Hand warmer/gloves when it’s cool and damp: my broken, arthritic fingers seize up when hot weather leave. I also use ointments with eucalyptus, sweet marjoram, peppermint and lavender. 

HOT shower: this is the bomb for a bad back, neck or shoulders. 

Cold packs: great right after exertion. Put it where you need it. 

Life goes on. The sooner/better you take care of yourself the better. 

 

On 11/14/2024 at 8:44 PM, Patrick Dawes said:

Skip the Hydrogen Water you already have plenty of Hydrogen Ions in your stomach and your body maintains the pH balance in your stomach well on its own, the other changes have some good research to back them up especially the cold plunge which can help with inflammation especially in old people muscles after activity (It's ok I can say it I hit 43 last week so I'm right there with the early breakdown starting myself) 

I wouldn't dismiss the hydrogen water thing so quickly.  

Go to hydrogenstudies.com...over 1.3K studies on the efficacy of hydrogen therapy and hydrogen-rich water.  Some of the studies are on lab mice, some on humans regarding chronic disease, etc.  But it's certainly enough for me to be willing to give it a try.

On 11/14/2024 at 4:56 PM, vandyland said:

Love the idea of the carnivore diet. Do you still eat 3x per day or have you trimmed that back as well? I only eat one meal a day currently. I also agree wholeheartedly with the idea that processed foods and sugars are very toxic, I just have trouble quitting them!

Also googling Wim Hof breathing!

Hey, sorry, I didn't realize I missed your question.

I absolutely love the carnivore diet.  Again, getting process foods out is a huge benefit. I don't have much of a sweet tooth, at all, but I do have a salt tooth.  That's another thing that makes this diet a little easier...you need to salt your foods, add a little salt to your shakes, drink a good electrolyte mix, etc.  Basically, without any glucose in your system it can be a lot easier to get dehydrated so you have to up our salt intake.

I'd say I'm eating twice a day, with a grass-fed zero carb whey protein shake post-workout and a collagen peptides shake at night.  Believe me, I'm plenty full most of the day.

The big downside is the social dynamic...almost nobody else in your life will be eating this way, going out to eat can be difficult, social functions.  Personally I hate being special and talking about my diet in social circles, so that's when it gets challenging.

And, I do like beer, so I miss that.  I also like scotch however, which doesn't technically break the diet since there are no carbs in it.  (It's not good for the diet mind you, just saying it doesn't break it...a conversation for another time.)

2 hours ago, Ray Pruett said:

Have you tried using a sauna? 

 

I would definitely like to add it my regimen for post-workout recovery.  The sauna at my gym is down, however, and it probably will be for the foreseeable future.

If we figure out next year that we're done moving and we'll stay put in Ohio, it's very likely I'll buy an at-home infrared sauna.  I'd rather get a better cold plunge, but the wife would use the sauna too so that will be first.  (I've won two bets with her wherein for her to pay up she has to get in the cold plunge, and she's welched on the bet both times!)

15 minutes ago, GolfSpy AFG said:

I wouldn't dismiss the hydrogen water thing so quickly.  

Go to hydrogenstudies.com...over 1.3K studies on the efficacy of hydrogen therapy and hydrogen-rich water.  Some of the studies are on lab mice, some on humans regarding chronic disease, etc.  But it's certainly enough for me to be willing to give it a try.

If it helps you go for it I cover a lot of these sets types of health clams and science stuff when I am teaching A and P its not that it does nothing its more of a cost benefit ratio kind of thing.  The biggest benefit from Hydrogen water at least that I found looking at studies when I was prepping my health fade lesson that this was in is it's antioxidant properties it has because it can bind up oxygen but you are generally getting those same benefits from a moderately healthy diet too but like I said if it works for you go for it especially if it get you drinking more water.  I personally for fancy water bottles went with the $200 fancy bottle with the blue light that kills bacteria myself a few years back but that because I am a bit germaphobic and also tend to forget my half full water bottle at work and the blue light keeps the water from getting funky when I forget it on my desk.

Edited November 20 by Patrick Dawes

Personally, I think a carnivore diet ultimately leads a life of chronic illnesses as we age.  We did not evolve as carnivores and our digestive physiology strongly suggests that we are indeed herbivores.  I have been doing a Whole Food, Plant Based, low fats and oils diet for several years now.  I am 79 and still walking 18 holes of golf twice a week and feeling just fine with no meds.

Here are some references that gives some more information on this subject:

nutritionfacts.org & mcdougallfoundation.org

50 minutes ago, Jim L said:

Personally, I think a carnivore diet ultimately leads a life of chronic illnesses as we age.  We did not evolve as carnivores and our digestive physiology strongly suggests that we are indeed herbivores.  I have been doing a Whole Food, Plant Based, low fats and oils diet for several years now.  I am 79 and still walking 18 holes of golf twice a week and feeling just fine with no meds.

Here are some references that gives some more information on this subject:

nutritionfacts.org & mcdougallfoundation.org

Where Omnivores - meat is more nutrient dense and is probably what allowed us evolutionarily evolve larger brains due to nutritional needs.  Nothing wrong with being an omnivore most bears are too even though everyone thinks they are carnivores.

Honestly most successful nutritional plan and advice out there is just moderation and drink lots of water no one drinks enough water

Very interested in how things go for you.  I'm all about trying to reduce inflammation.  I've cut way back on the carbs, but I still have an occasional sweet treat that I just can't muster the self control to kick.  We use the carcass from Costco chicken to make bone broth in the instant pot.  

On 11/15/2024 at 12:20 AM, EnderinAZ said:

Gluten hides everywhere. From soy sauce to brown gravy, to hard candy. Once you can no longer tolerate gluten it lets you know by making you hurt.  

I don't think I have any gluten issues, but over the last 5 years I do have discomfort from canned soups and anything with garlic or onion powder. I sure do miss garlic, I'll give in every so often for it's deliciousness and then pay the price later.  My wife says I'm at war with my own body.

On 11/20/2024 at 12:40 PM, Jim L said:

Personally, I think a carnivore diet ultimately leads a life of chronic illnesses as we age.  We did not evolve as carnivores and our digestive physiology strongly suggests that we are indeed herbivores.  I have been doing a Whole Food, Plant Based, low fats and oils diet for several years now.  I am 79 and still walking 18 holes of golf twice a week and feeling just fine with no meds.

Here are some references that gives some more information on this subject:

nutritionfacts.org & mcdougallfoundation.org

What is it about a carnivore diet that you propose would lead to chronic illness? What illnesses?

"that the food pyramid we were all taught in grade school is complete BS. I'm convinced that one of the main benefits of this diet is that by only eating these foods (and ensuring the meat is grass-fed and grass-finished) I've cut out all chemicals and processed sugars"

I 110% agree with this as it was bought and paid for mostly. I personally think what you see with the carnivore diet is the lack of chemicals.  I don't think fruits and veggies are bad for you at all as long as the chemicals are kept out. They have healthy fats and sugars that the body needs.  Is the carnivore a long term solution... I don't know that we know but it could be. I think any time we can get away from processed foods, it's a good thing. 

7 minutes ago, Josh Parker said:

"that the food pyramid we were all taught in grade school is complete BS. I'm convinced that one of the main benefits of this diet is that by only eating these foods (and ensuring the meat is grass-fed and grass-finished) I've cut out all chemicals and processed sugars"

I 110% agree with this as it was bought and paid for mostly. I personally think what you see with the carnivore diet is the lack of chemicals.  I don't think fruits and veggies are bad for you at all as long as the chemicals are kept out. They have healthy fats and sugars that the body needs.  Is the carnivore a long term solution... I don't know that we know but it could be. I think any time we can get away from processed foods, it's a good thing. 

Food pyramid… led to a lot of health problems in this country.

7 hours ago, Shankster said:

Food pyramid… led to a lot of health problems in this country.

Absolutely 

9 hours ago, Josh Parker said:

"that the food pyramid we were all taught in grade school is complete BS. I'm convinced that one of the main benefits of this diet is that by only eating these foods (and ensuring the meat is grass-fed and grass-finished) I've cut out all chemicals and processed sugars"

I 110% agree with this as it was bought and paid for mostly. I personally think what you see with the carnivore diet is the lack of chemicals.  I don't think fruits and veggies are bad for you at all as long as the chemicals are kept out. They have healthy fats and sugars that the body needs.  Is the carnivore a long term solution... I don't know that we know but it could be. I think any time we can get away from processed foods, it's a good thing. 

I started listening to the Joe Rogan podcast sometime last year and holy cow did I not realize how true this was according to him and some of the guests he has on his show!

Just to throw a little humor into the mix...