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  1. 6 points
    Tony posted a series of tweets yesterday and today that are filled with an incredible amount of information. I thought it would be worth consolidating those tweets into a thread for informational purposes and discussion. I find that listening to the Battle Hymn of the Republic while reading these tweets worked extremely well. Regarding face thickness and CT: Regarding Driver Innovation:
  2. 5 points
    49 front 41 back Front started out painful for me. Had a couple OB/Water shots. Was finally able to get it all working on the back. Hit all Par 3's in reg. 40% GIR
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    Just wanted to take this opportunity to not only wish our Tony Covey a Happy Birthday, but also to thank him for some of the absolute best writing in the golf industry. And his gratuitous picture threads are pure gold. And lastly if you didn't see his Twitter thread yesterday on CT limits and the USGA you should go read it right now.
  4. 4 points
    ... I have probably mentioned this before but when booking rounds with Golfnow and Teeoff.com I often book a round with a cart but still walk because most times the discount rate with a cart is lower than the walking rate at the course. Additionally when I am forced to ride on a mountain or resort course where green to tee's are very long, I will often ask my pard if they do not mind if I walk on the course. They are usually happy to take the cart, go hit their shot then meet me at my ball where I am usually waiting. When I play with my wife or my son and we are forced to take a cart, we just alternate every hole with one of us walking and the other riding.
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    I was trying to figure out how to gently let you know but since you mentioned it...............
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    @Peaksy68 I'm quoting you again so this has some context. While no one in my family is known for our scholastic endeavours, she got a 399 out of 500 and got at least 75% in every subject. I believe her ATAR was 74.6. She got into the University of Notre Dame in Sydney. Before the HSC she was offered a Bachelors in Arts but now that the results have come in she has been offered what she wanted to do which is a Bachelor of Secondary Education with Arts minor. From what she said I believe she was also offered some sort of a scholarship as well. So, I'm one very PROUD Dad at the moment.
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    Well this is a combination of "Got a Problem" and "Happy" threads, so I guess it fits here. In early November my youngest got married and at some point my wife lost her expensive diamond wedding band. After several futile searches: hotel, beauty shop, car, all throughout our house (several times) and even checked the lost and found ads, she came to the conclusion after a month that it's gone. Fortunately we had it listed in our insurance policy. The happy part? When she contacted the adjuster this past week, it was a no hassle, short conversation that concluded with "we're wiring you the money for the full appraisal price" In today's age of insurance delays or interrogations, I was thrilled with their response. Now as long as they don't raise rates they've got a customer for life.
  8. 4 points
    The guys have done a nice job - thanks. I think it’s important to remember that Trufit is aimed at people who are most likely to buy stock and at most monkey with the loft on their driver a bit. In some ways we aren’t a great test group for it. I have a friend who tried it and has gained yardage and consistency for very little money - bought his M4 on eBay. He had to ask me what shaft to choose. That’s scary Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy
  9. 3 points
    "Mack finished the game with 2.5 sacks, six total tackles, and three quarterback hits." ... This trade might go down as one of the worst trades in history after the Raiders get 2 very late first round picks in exchange for one of, if not the most dominant defensive player in the NFL.
  10. 3 points
    Exactly my point - you guys are seeing some nice results but imagine someone like Dennis - for him this is off the charts. He would have just bought what he saw his favorite pro using or his friends using if anything - now he's in the game. That's huge!
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    Thanks. I agree. TGF isn't for the equipment junkies, it is meant for people like your friend. Your friend is a good testament as to why TGF is a great idea. In fact, it might be a better testament than 4 forum golfers. Without TGF, he'd have either stayed with his old driver, or bought a driver without any prior knowledge, probably ending up with a poor fit. With TGF, he was able to get a driver that would perform solidly, maybe not the "best" fit but he ended up with a driver that at least performs well his game. Here in lies the conundrum though, if TGF is for less serious golfers, 99% of them probably don't know what TGF is.
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    Two blondes were going to Disneyland . They were driving on the Interstate when they saw the sign that said Disneyland LEFT. They started crying and turned around and went home. Two blondes living in Oklahoma were sitting on a bench talking, and one blonde says to the other, 'Which do you think is farther away... Florida or the moon?' The other blonde turns and says 'Helloooooooooo, can you see Florida ?????' A blonde pushes her BMW into a gas station. She tells the mechanic it died. After he works on it for a few minutes, it is idling smoothly.She says, 'What's the story?'He replies, 'Just crap in the carburetor'She asks, 'How often do I have to do that?' A police officer stops a blonde for speeding and asks her very nicely if he could see her license. She replied in a huff, 'I wish you guys would get your act together. Just yesterday you take away my license and then today you expect me to show it to you!' There's this blonde out for a walk. She comes to a river and sees another blonde on the opposite bank 'Yoo-hoo!' she shouts, 'How can I get to the other side?' The second blonde looks up the river then down the river and shouts back, 'You ARE on the other side.' A highway patrolman pulled alongside a speeding car on the freeway. Glancing at the car, he was astounded to see that the blonde behind the wheel was knitting! Realizing that she was oblivious to his flashing lights and siren, the trooper cranked down his window, turned on his bullhorn and yelled, 'PULL OVER!''NO!' the blonde yelled back, 'IT'S A SCARF!' A Russian, an American, and a Blonde were talking one day.The Russian said, 'We were the first in space!'The American said, 'We were the first on the moon!'The Blonde said, 'So what? We're going to be the first on the sun!' The Russian and the American looked at each other and shook their heads.'You can't land on the sun, you idiot! You'll burn up!' said the Russian. To which the Blonde replied, 'We're not stupid, you know. We're going at night!' A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night... It was her turn. She rolled the dice and she landed on Science & Nature. Her question was, 'If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your name, can you hear it?' She thought for a time and then asked, 'Is it on or off?' A girl was visiting her blonde friend, who had acquired two new dogs, and asked her what their names were. The blonde responded by saying that one was named Rolex and one was named Timex. Her friend said, 'Whoever heard of someone naming dogs like that?' 'HELLLOOOOOOO......,' answered the blonde. 'They're watch dogs'!
  14. 3 points
    I’m a pretty experienced golfer, played a ton over the years and played competitively in college but growing up I was never a tech junkie or equipment junkie. My family was on a budget, I played the clubs that my grandpa could get from the pro shop or something we found discounted. I played stock everything. So even now, I don’t know a ton about clubs, how the compare differently for each player, shafts etc. I mean I only found out last year I should probably play 1-2 degrees up on my irons and have only been on a real launch monitor once. THe great part about TGF for me is it offered 2 heads that I may never have considered In the future, if/when TGF adds some shaft options it’s going to be a real game changer. As I said in my review I’m lost when it comes to shafts, I know I’m stiff, maybe XS but there’s so many ever changing choices so I can feel your friends pain! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy
  15. 3 points
    I see this at the turn today. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  16. 3 points
    The scores were inconsequential, both rounds were played on the Saddlebrook Resort Palmer course (Wesley Chapel, FL) with most of the morning round played in a light rain. What was important was that we had fun. We enjoyed the battle in the elements. We were the only golfers on the course for about 3 hours. Golfspy Barbajo you make golf fun even when it’s horribly played. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy
  17. 3 points
    I’m liken the Ancient Aliens angle[emoji106] Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy
  18. 3 points
    WHAT....... no puppy in the family photo? They're part of the family also [emoji41] Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy
  19. 3 points
    However... 50 might be the new 30, but 9pm is the new midnight.
  20. 3 points
    Are you saying we aren’t on your list? I’m calling for a revote on the Moderator thing! [emoji56] Beautiful family I’m not ready for this thread yet - miles before I will be. But I appreciate the sentiment of the OP and everyone else. Enjoy the season for all it’s worth. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy
  21. 3 points
    I think the Mod's have just put you on their "Naughty List" for Christmas!
  22. 3 points
    Stage Two - The Review 12/15 2,000 words or less Cobra F8+ – Official MGS Forum Review by Eric Seay Intro Welcome back to another round of reviews here at MyGolfSpy! Again, we must start by saying thank you very much to the MyGolfSpy peeps for allowing me this opportunity to test! East TN, not typically known for bad weather, decided that it was going to play a huge factor in this testing by limiting the amount of time that I to get out and test this club...unfortunately, we are working on two range sessions and ONE, sadly just one, round of golf. my first range session was a cool, windy day and depending on which way the wind had switched could give real fits to the shots that I was hitting, which for testing purposes, I really liked! The one round of golf I was able to play was a very cool day, frost delay in the morning, (not sure the greens ever thawed out) overcast, not much wind, and a little damp. perfect for ball flight and distance, right?! With that said and the scene being set, let’s start this show! Looks Describe the following: The general shape of the club is appealing to the eye in my opinion. Fairly round, looks like a large/oversized head and has that appearance like you aren't going to be able to miss the clubface. Looking down it feels like it has some depth to it and that from the sole to the crown is a large area. With the crown and the top of the club there is a lot going on. The back half of the club is your new age / modern carbon fiber look, the front portion has a fairly large Cobra logo that works as an alignment aid and from heel to toe you have raised lines for aerodynamics similar to my Ping G30. Essentially three different “pieces” all on the top. With the black model all of this really blends in together and you barely notice the carbon fiber on the back half. The face of the driver has the CNG milled face design that doesn't draw too much attention but one item that I found appealing is the large circle at the sweet spot. At setup it almost acts as a 2nd alignment aid to know if you are setting up off of center or not. Overall it has a really nice design and although you have multiple pieces such as the raised edges, carbon fiber crown, the logo and the giant circle on the face, the whole look fits together really nicely. Up close al these items are different and unique but when looking down at setup everything is subtle and allows you to focus in on the shot and the alignment Coming from the Ping G30 its a much different looking club. While both have the raised lines on the crown for the aerodynamics, the Ping has a flat black look, no real alignment aid, and limited lines/grooves on the face. The Ping has a more simplistic design to it while the Cobra, much like its foremost brand ambassador Rickie Fowler, has a little more swag. Some will like the looks of one more than the other, myself, I can enjoy both looks and therefore the Cobra gets a solid scoring from me in the looks category. (9 out of 10 points) Sound & Feel Describe how the driver sounds and feels The very first thing that I noticed when taking the F8+ to the range was the sound it made on my first swing, or lack of real sound. It had a smooth, soft feel like cutting through butter while the sound was just the ball just simply launching off the clubface. There wasn't a loud “tink” or a sound of ripping through a piece of paper, it was a soft sound. No one will hear you hitting this club from 3 holes away. Something that i really noticed on impact was how it felt like the ball stayed on the clubface. It seemed like the when the club and ball met they rode with each other through the swing for about a second in the ball jumped off the face into the air. After a long enough range session I was able to catch a couple off the heel and I still have to give it solid remarks. Any shot that I hit off the heel still felt solid. You obviously noticed that it was hit off the heel as it was able to give you feedback but there was not any ringing, rattling, shaking, vibrating, etc. A little bit of a cut spin but otherwise your hands were still intact. Some drivers feel like you are hitting a baseball with an aluminum bat in 40 degree weather off the handle. Not the Cobra. Any mishits felt forgiving off the clubface and seemed to have a forgiving ball flight and end result. (9 out of 10 points) No perfect score because I wasn't able to feel one off the toe! Range Performance Because of the lovely Tennessee weather that we had after receiving the club I was only able to get to the range two times. The good news is I was able to hit a lot of shots and get a good feel for what the F8+ could offer! To preface, not to toot my own horn, but Im a range wizard. I look like i’ve played this game for a long time, which I have, and I look like I know what i'm doing, which is always debatable, when i'm on the range After beating some balls off the cold mats with the irons just to loosen up it was time to bring out the driver! First 10 or so swings were just to get a feel for the club. At this point I had the F8+ set to 9.5 degrees loft with the draw setting. Usually I do not adjust a club and change the settings on it but because I had to change out the shaft after Global sent me a R flex, I decided to set this to a draw setting. The adjusting portion is super easy and Global Golf actually does a great job of offering videos on all their clubs how to properly adjust. Just watch out for that loud click! When I twisted the screw in on the last turn I thought I had snapped the shaft into 2 pieces! The club felt great with every swing. Even with just a stiff flex shaft it doesn't feel whippy or too light at all. I was able to consistently hit my target on the first range session only hitting one really bad miss. My miss is a high block slice that is really just a result of a really bad swing. I get lazy, fall to my back side, dont swing the club and it ends up way right. Even making that one bad swing I was able to quickly tell that with that bac swing, the Cobra was going to be more forgiving for me. Typically I hit this ball 2 holes over or out of the county, the F8+ kept it from being only 30 yards off target rather than 60+. 1 Bonus point for the Cobra! My distance seemed average compared to my ping, hard to tell on the range if I was gaining 5-10 additional yards or not but without question the spin had been reduced. As I said in my intro, the range session was very windy with the majority of the wind coming from left to right and a little bit into me. My typical ball flight is straight or with a minor fade so the ball flight should have been riding with the wind. It was easy to tell that the ball was actually cutting through the wind and fighting against it to not go right. There was a boring, low, fighting trajectory with the Cobra that was really great to see. With this style of ball flight it was easy to tell that the Cobra f8+ had reduced a lot of my spin. I really really wish I was able to get onto a LM to see just how much my spin had reduced from the ping to the Cobra. And if it hasnt...so be it, but it feels like it has and looks like it has and that makes for higher confidence on the tee box! with a few of the mishits that were all off of the toe the ball flight and traj didnt change much. I think this is a very forgiven club. I would say with the heel shots that distance was affected obviously but still very accurate to the target and not extraordinarily penal. My typical range game after warming up with the driverer after warming up is to pick multiple targets, usually two flags, or with my local range a building with a metal roof off in the distance, and hit the ball between the targets while not worrying about distance. I rotate between my different targets forcing me to hit at different directions on the range for 20 shots. This range day I was 14-20 hitting within my target. This is on par or slightly above average for compared to other range sessions with other drivers. (18 out of 20 points) On-Course Performance I would really have loved to have more play with the Cobra than just one time but that’s all I was able to get. It was black friday, the weather was going to be about 50 degrees for the high (it never got there) and golfers were dying to get to the course. I played at Avalon Golf Course which is one of my favorites but isn't superb for a driver testing. The course is a little tight and on the front 9 you wouldn't really hit driver a ton if you feel a little erratic with the driver as I usually do. BUT! Im there to test the F8+ so I was going to let it fly ALL DAY LONG. At this point i’m still adjusted to 9.5 degrees with a draw face playing the shorter tees, 6300 on this cold, frigid day. First shot of the day a little of the heel but straight, safe, and left with about a 9i into the green. Similar to my range session the driver remained forgiving all day long and excluding a couple of bad swings by me, I would say the F8+ had a solid first showing. As many of you know the Cobra comes standard with the Arcoss Cobra Connect sensor and the free download with the app. This was my first time using it but I really like the idea of it. I would occasionally forget to leave it in my pocket, a requirement in order for the app to know when you’ve hit a shot, and where you hit your next shot from but I was excited to see my post round results. I hit 7 Fairways out of 12 swings (Only measures the first swing from a specific location. i.e. if your in a bunker for 4 shots it cant track all the swings). Missed 3 Left, missed 2 right. What it doesnt tell you is that I made two AWFUL swings where Charles Barkley would’ve laughed. Pulled the head way up and out, swung open with the hips, and was lucky to make contact. My long drive of the day was 281 and my average distance was 260. For the weather that we had, frigid, damp, etc. these numbers are pretty accurate and comparable to my Ping. However, distance is not my issue. My issue is finding the fairway (or really the golf course in general). I was in play all day long minus one shot, good looks at the hole and no real penalizing shots. I didn't spend my entire day mowing down high grass or chasing my balls in the woods with the squirrels. But this is where it really gets fun and another reason why I wish I had a few more good weather days to try the club. After making the turn I hit really solid shots on 12, 13, and 14. All three though drew about 15 yards left of my target, all in play, but all with the same ball flight. All three of these holes have trouble down the left but I was in play. I’m not used to hitting a ball with a draw and if we are being honest, these shots are really taking left hand turns versus drawing or hooking left. Obviously, if that was going to be the consistent shot one could aim more right of the target but that’s not me. So in the middle of 14 fairway I changed the setting on the driver to a neutral face. It’s really simple, loosen the screw, lift the head out, turn the head around the shaft and click it back in. Hole 15 is really straight, a little narrow, really elevated tee box and plays about 320. The first swing with the new setting is where I hit my longest of the day, 281. Left me with just a flip wedge onto the green for an easy par. Hole 17 is a really neat hole. the tee box again is elevated and the tee ball is all carry over water. the green sits on the left side of the view and the fairway/green runs perpendicular to the water. The further you can hit the tee ball the more at the green you can go. If you go directly at the front portion of the green you have to hit it around 275 carry to cover the water and then a easy chip up. i usually aim, because i'm conservative, about 30 yards right of the green to leave myself another flip wedge. That way if I block it i'm hitting a short iron and if I pull it I have enough carry usually to still be on land. I hit another rocket, right on my target, and launched it. easy wedge, easy par. Finally 18 hit another great drive that I was really pleased with. Now im just kicking myself that I didn't leave it neutral to begin with! (35 out of 40 points) I dont think i gained any distance but the forgiveness and accuracy are a great bonus. Play it or Trade it? and the results are in! After 2 range sessions and one round of golf we have a winner! As I move forward into 2019 the driver in my bag will be……..the Cobra F8+! It’s a really solid option for a driver, its forgiveness, feel, accuracy are all great assets. I think with the right shaft it will only get better. I think this is great driver all around that anyone could see benefit out of but especially someone that has too high of a spin rate with their current club. That has been the key element that I have taken away is the anticipated spin reduction rate that I have with the Cobra. I dont think there’s a driver on the market that can really provide me a large gain in distance but I do think this one has narrowed in my dispersion and my misses and that makes it a winner for me (19 out of 20 points) Conclusion I’m going with college rules here and for me this driver is an A. I would love to have more sessions with it and I plan on getting fit for a shaft asap to see if spin can be reduced further but as is, i’m pretty happy with it. i believe that TGF was able to hone in with the data that I provided to offer me a product that would reduce my spin rate while keeping my distance or gaining. As I said, i'm not positive that I was able to gain additional distance without getting on a LM and comparing side by side but I do know that my dispersion and spin was down. After making the change from the draw face to neutral, my confidence soared with the last three swings i made (and probably my last swings of 2018). I’m really anxious to get out there in 2019 and check out some shafts and see if I cant become dangerous with the driver again! I just want to thank MyGolfSpy one last time and say i’m a believer in TGF as I think it figured me out correctly. I also want to thank Global Golf for allowing us to test/try out their U-Try Program. Check out my stage 1 review if you want some information on how it worked and some of the kinks they have! Final Score: (90 out of 100 points)!!!
  23. 2 points
    With the industry's biggest show just over a month away. John Barba takes a great inside look at how some of the biggest companies view the show, and why they still exhibit and their thoughts on the future of the show. Barb's is the best at letting MGS readers get first hand insight from the Titans of the industry, and he delivers full scale with this piece. https://mygolfspy.com/is-the-pga-merchandise-show-still-relevant/
  24. 2 points
    So the Florida Golf Weekend is over - 54 holes with Foz was a blast and a half! We played two rounds yesterday at Saddlebrook, and one round this morning at Pebble Creek - Foz's home course. First - the Duo Professionals: I like this ball - the low compression is what makes it stand out. Plenty of spin around the green and it's, well, soft. Colorwise I'm not a fan of the orange - but the matte yellow looks really nice, and the white is, well, white. At $34.99/dozen, it's not overpriced - but it is more than the $29.99 Q Star Tour from Srixon. I'd say both balls are very comparable - Wilson differentiates itself in both feel and available colors. The new Srixon Prototypes - new versions of the Z Star and the Z Star XV - were both excellent. They're noticeably harder than the Duo Professionals, but the new Z Star is noticeably softer than the previous version, as I had one in the bag to compare. I can't say if the XV is softer, as I didn't have one handy to compare, but I'd imagine that softness would be one of the improvements made. For their part, Srixon isn't telling yet. We had a little wind yesterday - and as always, Srixon balls perform admirable in the wind - nice and stable. I'd recommend either ball if you like Tour level performance. I'd say the Z Stars have a little bit of an edge, but I'd be fine playing either ball for the season.
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    Whew, sure glad your device did not do one of those auto-spell/check things and leave the "rs" off .
  26. 2 points
    I'm already screwed by Studque.
  27. 2 points
    Now there is no more excuses not to build those KZG’s. [emoji16] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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    Congrats fellas! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy
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    I had no feeling of the face caving when I hit the shot. No odd noise either that I recall. I was attempting an approach on #5 from about 165. It wasn't my best shot as my ball ended up about 10 yds short (probably due to the face cave) and slightly left of the green. I just thought I'd hit a clunker. So, I hit the shot and put the club back in my bag and moved on. It wasn't until #7 when I noticed it. Later on during the round I recall needing my 7i - so I choked a 6i and made do. Worked out fine. I'm playing later today and I've put an old TM RAC 7i in my bag as replacement.
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    Great job - I went from XL to M and that’s when I started changing the wardrobe over - still in process - hoping Santa rounds it out. Keep up the great work! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy
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    Had a nice little run in with a deer on my way to work. I’m fine but the bumper has a nice hole in it. Off to the body shop tomorrow to see what the $$$ will be. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy
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    Ran a mile on the treadmill today then did the rowing machine. Its a start Theo but it's on.
  36. 2 points
    Ancient Astronaut theorists say, YES!
  37. 2 points
    Tester s Thanks for the reviews. I enjoyed reading them.
  38. 2 points
    And his Grandson has some game. Unfortunately my son asked if it was Spaulding from Caddyshack. So every time he was on television all I had going through my head was “Spaulding get your foot off the boat!” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    I'm trying to cure the winter blues by chipping outside (no snow on the ground yet) and also heading to the driving range once a week. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy
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    That's hilarious! [emoji23] AND true ! Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy
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    Actually, it was an Apple software engineer, Roberto Garcia. But maybe God told him how to do it... like "Right!... What's a cubit?" Or I suppose it could have come from ancient aliens.
  42. 2 points
    On my 49th birthday I noticed that I had a full head of hair compared to my contemporaries. So I would flaunt that by not cutting my hair for the next year and have a ponytail on my 50th birthday. Luckily, we celebrated my 50th a few days early, and I was able to get that mop cut off on my birthday. Now 4 1/2 years later, I have my hair cut to 1/4” because otherwise my hair is too thin on top, and it looks like the start of a combover. And if you think your swing speed has gone down now, just add a major injury along with the age. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy
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    I have not heard the “Boondoggle” term since I retired. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy
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    Thank you DeAndre. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy
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    LOL.... I didn't know you stayed up that late.
  47. 2 points
    I think this is something that every family seems to discuss. My father (due to non family related circumstances) died at 79 while his mother passed away a few months ago at 106. Other family members on my fathers side lived well into their 90s and 100s. My mothers family all passed in their 50s and 60s and she is now 83. Genetics play a part, but we can't dwell on genetics since we are all individual people. It is normal to worry and I am sure she is worrying herself; all I can say is try to enjoy life to its fullest, we never know when it is our time.
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    After a weird year, I’m getting back into my routine of at least a 4 mile jog every day. I actually got lazy this year with all of my family activities. Also, back to eating healthy. This thread just made me want to share! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy
  49. 2 points
    Buying a shirt or pants you really like in a smaller size is great motivation! Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy
  50. 2 points
    Update: no 350 yard drives. I shot a 43 and he shot a 45. Putting was terrible we both 3 pitted on 3 different holes. I did have a birdie, but this is what we were looking at towards the last 4 holes Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy
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