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  1. Played 18 with Kirke this morning. (I actually beat him, but I won't rub that in.) It was my first time playing 18 with the Edel, and my fifth overall round with the putter. Today's round was interesting: I shot an even 80. I had a putt for 79 that missed on the high side. The round also showed the value of using something like Arccos for tracking strokes gained versus merely tracking putts. I had only 27 putts today (9 one-putts and 9 two-putts). But my SG:Putting for the round is -1.7 compared to scratch. I had a couple misses within 10', but only really a single putt that I felt I "should" have made. Otherwise, I was rock-solid on the short putts I was leaving myself with my wedges. The more interesting graph is this one from Arccos, tracking my most recent five rounds (with the Edel) against the five rounds before that (with Osltubs): Three things to pay attention to: Compared to a scratch golfer, I'm losing 1.3 strokes per 18 holes on the green. If I change the comparison, that makes me the equivalent of a 6-handicap on the greens. Since my actual standard of play is somewhere closer to a 13 handicap right now, putting continues to be a relative strong point of my game. Compared to my previous five rounds (you can see this in the fine print), I'm 2.0 strokes better per 18 with the Edel. That's a pretty big performance gain. What I'm really impressed by is the consistency of the performance of the Edel so far. We're still in relatively small sample size territory, but look at how flat that orange line is. Basically, every round I'm going out with the expectation that my putting is going to be steady. I do have a couple of drill updates to post as well, where the Edel didn't fare quite as well. But if the on course performance is there, it's hard to be upset about that.
    7 points
  2. Nice unboxing and initial thoughts @azstu324! It's interesting to see that you and I think @GolfSpy MPR also had quite a bit of weight in the grip. When I did my putting fitting with my Newport I ended up with 90 grams inside the grip. The thing felt so stable on short putts. It might take a round or two to get used to, but I think you'll like it! That backset on the shaft is very interesting, certainly something you're not going to see without a fitting like this. Time to drop some long range birdies!
    7 points
  3. OK so I'll start right off by saying that there will NOT be any video of me doing an unboxing or anything remotely close to the magnificent piece that @GolfSpy MPR put out when he received his putter... Now that that's out of the way, lets move to the unboxing, specs, and looks of the putter.. The putter showed up well-packaged in a quite secure and stout Edel branded box. After watching @GolfSpy MPR's unboxing, I was thinking maybe I'd be seeing a weight kit with the putter. I didn't get a weight kit... But that's actually VERY OK by me. The last thing that I need is a means by which to mess up my whole fitting by giving me extra weights to mess with.. because if you give me matches.. I will burn myself. I did however find that in addition to the putter, Edel did include a nice little gift. I'm very much a hat guy and the hat they sent me was right up my alley! Right color, right style, very unbranded but specific to Edel. It's one of those "in the club" type of hats and I love it! THE PUTTER The putter itself is noticeably heavier. Based on the specs of how the putter was fit and built, I'd speculate that it's a good 100g+ heavier than my Cleveland HB Premier #4. The grip section alone has an 80g grip with a 40g counter-weight. The shaft is counter-balanced with 30g. As you can see, per the spec sheet above and pics, I was fit with the EAS 1.0. As I mentioned previously though, per the Blast Motion software, my typical contact is .2 to.4* open at impact. When I'm pushing, it goes to about .5 to .6* open. My fitter Aram at Golf-Tec mentioned that this is relatively neutral compared to most. Within 10', even .5* open is going to go in given my aim point and read is accurate. So while I was never fit into a blade (Answer) style putter, I was able to determine for myself over the past year that it really is the best fit for my setup. I have a tendency to aim slightly to the left as the blade-style putter looks a little more open to my eye and my miss is typically a slight push so in theory, while I'm aimed left, I'm pushing straight down the target line. As for my specific specs, and how my weaknesses were addressed without causing me to lose my strengths: The putter was built at 36" with a lie of 74*. For comparison, my Cleveland was 34" and sat at about 70*. Aram wanted to get me slightly more upright in my stance but more importantly move me closer to the ball as to allow my arms to hang without becoming disconnected from my body. In doing the ball drop test I was typically in the right spot with my eyes just slightly behind the ball, but I was just way too bent over and standing much too far away from the ball. Another point relating to my biomechanics was that I was also putting with the butt end much too close to my hips which also forced a lot of my shoulder and body rotation as everything was kind of stuck inside and rotating everything was really the only way that I could get the putter to work. In other words, my arc was pretty severe and just needed to be tamed down. As for the hosel, I was fit with the "back-set" option. This is something that I'm definitely going to have to spend some time with getting used to. In David Edel's words, its pretty much a left-handed forward set on a right handed head. Most of us are used to seeing some variation of forward-set hosel, especially with mallet style putters. The look of the Back-set is that of the putter head sitting slightly in front of the hands at address. This is another fitting trick to help neutralize the open face a little as well as tame a little bit of the arc in the putting stroke. As you can see from the pics, this creates the perfect toe-up or "torque-balancing" that the Edel putters are really making a strong charge for in the putter space. The overall weighting and counter weighting is also something that's very different to me, and not what I'm used to a putter feeling like in my hands. Aside from the hefty 80g rubber grip, there is a 40g counter weight and a 30g shaft weight. As you can see in the photo above, this brings the total weight to a stout 619g vs the pretty standard 497g Cleveland #4. As @GolfSpy MPR mentioned in his post, the club seems strangely but very appropriately heavily weighted. One of my weak spots was my tempo through the putt being much too quick. I would have a good pace going back but then speed up through impact and this was a major culprit to my distance control.. or lack thereof. If the head alone feels too heavy, the tendency is to rush it through impact. After spending quite a lot of time indoors with the putting mat and working with a metronome at about 100 BPM, I'm really finding the benefit of all of the counter balancing. The ability to move all of that evenly distributed mass at a more even tempo really seems to work well for that distance control. Alignment: I was fit with 2 lines up front and 1 in the back. I really liked how the 2 up front frame the ball while the 1 in back helps to concentrate on getting my eyes in the right spot over the ball. I did have a chance to take the putter for a spin on Saturday at a 2 person scramble. That was literally after unboxing it Friday and hitting about 20 putts with it before going to bed. I'm not really going to count that as its 1st real round as I hadn't even had time to even acquaint myself with it. I just went in with my normal setup, same stance, grip pressure and tried to formulate a stroke throughout the round. So basically my game plan was.. no game plan. While I didn't putt my best round (putts within 10' were hit and miss, and I missed more 3 footers than I'd care to admit) what I did notice was that my lag putting and distance control was off the charts fantastic! Lag putting was something that I had struggled with, with the Cleveland. Anything outside of 15' was just typically "close my eyes, swing, and pray to the golf gods that I'd be within 5-10'. The problem that I was having was that I just couldn't generate enough controllable force without skipping the ball a good 4 or 5 times before it took to rolling. I had quite a few lengthy putts that not only were within 5' but some were well within 3'. I attribute this to having more mass with more momentum, but also having more control of all of the mass and not the feeling of the club disappearing in my hands when having to apply a lengthy stroke. Here are just a few more pics of the putter as well as the Cleveland HB #4. As you can all see, this is a beautifully crafter putter.
    6 points
  4. I had an ER2 for about a month and I really liked it. In fact I thought it would be a keeper for years to come, then I won the ER7 via the MGS Donor Raffle, and it won the head-to-head comparison, for me. A little less toe hang and it just fit my eye better. And I said I DON'T want to know...
    4 points
  5. Here is a video of how each putter sounds. I would argue that the Cleveland HB Soft Premier is one of the softest milled non-insert putters you will find. The video really doesn't do either justice as they both sound much clickier than they really are. The Edel though feels just a hair more firm but with some really nice feedback. It's a feeling and sound that I have no problems with at all. The ball is a TaylorMade TP5X pix so it's a tad more firm.
    4 points
  6. I am leaning to the 2V just because I like the wider blades, currently what I use also. But fitting at truespec almost 2 years ago now the BB39 was the "best fit", even though I prefer the blade/wide blade over a mallet, I am tempted to go that route....Time will tell. Easiest way to remember for me is LPRS, letters go in order Left=Port & Right=Starboard. On board the ship port and starboard sides as well as levels of the ship and frame numbers are designated numerically. PESO was Port=Even & Starboard=ODD so 2-3-405 was Starboard side, 3rd deck, frame 405 (aft end of the ship). Not sure why I am going into detail of this but Navy days were fun days! Now I am definitely making nautical references, you're welcome.
    3 points
  7. I envy you guys, I was really privately crossing my fingers pretty hard on this one. Silly really, have a black ER7 and love it but the comparison would have been a lot of fun. If you're a mallet guy I strongly recommend the ER7 getting a long look...a little bit of toe hang, and the sight lines really frame the ball well for me. Of course the ER5 always does well in the Most Wanted mallet tests. @Lacassem, I'll get over it, but if I have to read about putts drifting to port or starboard I'm gonna lose it. (I still don't know what those mean, and I don't want to.)
    3 points
  8. Having an Ipad that has not been turned on in at least 3 months, I can say that I am not the biggest apple fan, but I can get down to use it for a launch monitor. Welp, that might also toss mine out of the window, I got to go and check if the front facing camera is HD or not?
    3 points
  9. Spent some time today in the garage practicing with the driver. Dialing in the G410 while hoping the right shaft gets here this week. Here are couple shots from my session. The Callaway is going to have its work cut out for it.
    3 points
  10. Love in the intros guys! Top to bottom.
    2 points
  11. My apologies for just getting around reading this, a special thanks to @MaxEntropy for posting a reminder on Twitter. With the new set-up of the review process, I haven't forgotten about this...just couldn't figure out how to get to the comments. You ask did a great job posting your initial thoughts. @Siamese Moose, I hope you're healing up nicely and we'll all be looking forward to hearing your thoughts after you heal. Keep up the good work!
    2 points
  12. As long as he doesn't tell us the reason he 3-putts so much is because he's still trying to get his sea legs under him! Selfishly hoping @Lacassem fits into the ER2v so I can get a decent compare on the shaft vs my ER2B. Rest assured I'll give him as much smack talk as I can throughout this putting test.
    2 points
  13. This is indeed another awesome testing opportunity, I looked at those before and had considered buying them in the past, but now that we are getting a second official testing thread, I will have to reconsider buying one. Edit, the let down of course was that there was no Android compatibility.
    2 points
  14. Lastly, I'm waiting on some feedback from Chris Koske at Edel as to whether or not this grip would hinder anything in the fitting process. I just think that this dark red kangaroo skin round grip would look killer on this putter with it's color way.. I really like the black one that I put on the Cleveland. Problem is that it's 27g lighter and might throw off the fitting specs.
    2 points
  15. That seems to be the grail ball, reasonable price with ProV1 performance. I will be very interested to see if these do offer that performance.
    2 points
  16. Unboxing pics and other stuff to come later today...
    2 points
  17. I'm going to get a better mic for this as well, but if you want a simple example of the sound of the Edel, here's a tiny clip: This is with a Srixon Z Star, which (though softer than the Z Star XV) is still a high compression ball.
    2 points
  18. @DannyDips nice intro! Some of the pics appear to be broken, though. It'll be interesting to see how the Max LS does for you compared to the Speed for me since we are similar swing speed, although you clearly have much more control given your handicap. I went to the range tonight and, after warming up with 10 or so wedges and 7i's, pretty much evenly split the rest of the bucket between the M5 and the Epic Speed. Swing wasn't great - I went to the gym last night for the first time in over a year, but it did appear to confirm some things for me. I think the left really is almost eliminated with the Epic. I had easily twice as many (or more) go left with the M5, with only a couple with the Epic. A few high flares with both, but in general, the ball went where I wanted with the Epic. Is this a shaft effect or something else? MOI? I also noticed that when naturally sitting on the ground, the Epic sits much more neutral and the M5 wants to open the face. Is that having an effect, even if only psychological? I plan to rent some time at a hitting bay, so I'll presumably have some firm numbers to confirm my observations.
    2 points
  19. I like this idea. Put a marker spot on the ground to give reference as to where your put started or something and see how quickly a 15ft putt starts on the ground.
    1 point
  20. Hi All, Here is my first post regarding the Titleist Ball Test. I took the six balls (3 #3s and 3 #4s) out for testing and here are my initial thoughts. Greenside Chipping: Both balls are very soft. I like the feel. While I was on the course, I really felt confident and had good results with both balls. The #3 ball seemed to have a little more "check" to it. On Course: 40-120 yd Wedges: Both balls are very soft. They both checked nicely, it seemed like the #3 ball checked up a tad tighter (within 1 foot) where the #4 was within 1-2 ft. My sample size is too small to have a definitive result. Lower shots had a nice pitch and run, I felt like well struck balls could be controlled nicely. Longer Iron shots (170-210). They both are still soft feeling, especially when well struck. The #3 ball seemed to have a little higher flight and definitely checked up and spun back. The #4 had a little more carry. Neither ball seemed to have as much shape as a ProV1 would normally have for me, but that could change the next time I am out. I need more shots to compare distance to ProV1 and Snell Black. I didn't hit anything longer than 210, as I didn't want to risk losing anything until I have the opportunity to better evaluate. I have to stress that this was a small sample size on a hot, humid Virginia day. Also, I hit the #3 first each time on this round. I will switch to the #4 first next outing. I am keeping full notes and will create a full report as soon as I am able to get ample shots at each distance.
    1 point
  21. It definitely is a good looking club for sure! I’d say my favorite thing is how easy it is to hit. I noticed that most of us have the same weight set up with this, the lighter weight in the toe and heavy in the sole. I also found it interesting to see that the same ones who have this weight set up also had the same issue that with the adjustment it almost became too long of a club but the flight is better! We all have different swings and different body types yet we have consistent results. That should tell us a little bit about the club.
    1 point
  22. Congrats testers. I'd be interested to see how this goes. I'm really beginning to hate my putter so this should be a good read for me!!!!
    1 point
  23. already got one last year but am interested in others opinions.
    1 point
  24. Personally, testing the MLM would be cool, but I’m more interested in the opportunity to try the coaching services. It’s great that there are so many reasonably priced personal launch monitors these days, but the fact remains most golfers don’t really have the knowledge to translate the info to actionable data. Having a coach to do that seems like a great pair.
    1 point
  25. My favorite thing is still my initial favorite thing, which is the look at address. I love my long irons and this is a hybrid with a long iron face. Compact in the rough, sharp on the tee. Looks come first in comfort, if you don't like it before you even swing it, why bother.
    1 point
  26. Oh man, this is a great opportunity. A golfing buddy is letting me borrow his Swing Caddie SC200+ and I’m really enjoying it. It’s a must every time I head out to the range ... and I’m hoping he’s forgotten about it.
    1 point
  27. I Suppose... lol Am looking forward to see how these perform though...
    1 point
  28. This is awesome! I would love the opportunity to take a closer look at the measurables of my swing as a form of improvement. Good luck to everyone who signed up and !
    1 point
  29. "Wrong" 50%? I just see it as a good reason to not support a company now or ever. I never have understood why a company would willingly alienate such a vast market.
    1 point
  30. Not sure what happened, why it added two images i had already put in there again at the bottom....oh well. And already the moderators are regretting selecting me for testing
    1 point
  31. Ok all, seems like I was the first one to get the driver! Not sure why, but hopefully that gets me a little extra time with it before posting my final review. Speaking of that, I started working on it, and holy cow was it getting long, so lemme take this opportunity to get some stuff out of the way (otherwise, I am going to demolish the word limit). Since I am the first, here is how it came (standard box, don't want anyone to think it came without a box): I started golfing as a kid with my dad, but it didn't really take. Not because I didn't enjoy golf, but i was shy and hated getting paired up with others. I joined the Air Force as an analyst in 2000 and was stationed in norther Japan for my first duty station. This is where I got back into golf, really into it, after a friend talked me into playing again. Over the last several years, the amount of golf has decreased as it seems every next duty station had less and less people I worked with playing, to the point where over the last 2-3 years I played only maybe 3-4 times a year in best ball tournaments. I retired last year, and was hired as an Army civilian, and at that point i decided I wanted to golf again, lots of golf, and since i work about 3 minutes from the course on base, i could easily do 9 after work on most days. So that is where I am now, generally playing 2-3 nine-hole rounds a week, and maybe an extra 6 holes with my son at First Tee. I can't say my driver is the strong or weak point of my game right now, as it is kinda more the inconsistency in my swing that is killing me, to the point where my misses can be almost anything from a high fade/slice, to a low pull hook. I actually have 3 gamers right now, that until this arrived, i was testing against each other to see which would best suit my game. The Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme, 2017 Taylormade M1 460cc, and 2016 Taylormade M2. Right after being selected for this review, I actually ran into a young Lieutenant on the course who had a Honma TW737 445cc driver with the forward weight. He let me try it out (9th Tee) and I hit it 285 total, which I had only been hitting my two (I was putting the M2 and Cobra against each other that day) around 250-260 max. So that got me curious if a lower spin driver/shaft would benefit me, so this is when i purchased the M1, and some low-spin shafts for each, which i have been playing around with as well. As I stated before, I am an analyst, and I love it. I love data (such a friggin nerd) and because of that this year I purchased the Arcoss sensors and a Mevo launch monitor (wife said I couldn't get a Foresight GC4, something about it costs more than what we will likely spend on our son's first car.....pfffffft). What's better than playing golf? Playing golf and sitting on the couch with a cold beer and looking at all the data from your round! So my testing will be using both of these systems, and if I can get some from the Foresight CG2 at my local Ediw Watts, then I will include that as well. So here is some data to give a little more insight into my swing/numbers: Cobra SpeedZone 9.5 degrees, Aldila NV NXT Green Shaft, Stiff 201 7 Taylormade M1 9.5 degrees, Tensei CK Blue, Stiff (this is actually the stock shaft from the M2, I also have an Aldila NV NXT green in stiff for this as well, but during this range session I had already hit quite a few balls, and was pretty tired) Please, let me know if you have any questions or comments! I will try and get a descent slow-mo video of my swing to post as well.
    1 point
  32. SUPER interested in how they play for others as well. I have gamed the 2019's since the initial MGS ball test and they have held up extremely well. I know they have changed a few things about the cover and stuff so I am hoping the same great durability continues. Looking forward to how these play for you both, $30 a doz doesn't mean much if you're having to replace them every 4-5 holes. That being said, I opened my first box of 2021 Maxfli Tours yesterday for a round (ran out of my 2019's) No lost balls meant that I got to see how the ball wore over the course of the entire round and I was pleased with the results, I don't want to steal ya'll's thunder and post a pic but I think you will be happy with how the ball looks post-round.
    1 point
  33. Congrats guys! Just smashed that follow button as I am very interested in how a putter shaft might help improve this stat! Happy testing everyone!
    1 point
  34. Seriously, this is so awesome! Its like MGS read my mind as I have been researching the Rapsodo today! I built a hitting bay during quarantine with a mat and a net so the bones are already there! I have been trying to convince my preggersaurus wife that one of these is a worthwhile investment for quite some time now! Good luck applicants! This is a bomb opportunity!
    1 point
  35. For the Evnroll test I’m currently participating in, we were just asked for our “specs”. We didn’t have a fitting. I selected the ER11v when I requested to participate in the test. I went with the long plumber neck. I used the Ping putting app. It indicated I had a slight arc so that guided my neck choice.
    1 point
  36. 1 point
  37. As promised, I've rigged up something that I think will help me with distance control on putts. All of the other drills I've seen (E.g. stepladder) allow you to progress just by hitting it a little harder each time. This randomly selects a length of putt each time you press the button, then stays on for 6 seconds. I quite like it as it rehearses the feel of different lengths, and you have to adjust every time. Relating it to the PuttOUT matt, it has markings every foot and has three "tracks" on the matt so that you can line up 3 balls to putt. With this, you can have 3 randomly generated lengths of putt. This week, I'm going to focus on using the Putting Plane. I'll have to do some research on the lie angle of my putter. I'm assuming that's how you set the angle on the plane.
    1 point
  38. I know that most of the testers may not have a putting board to see roll, but would you guys be able to get out on an early round when the dew is still on the greens and show the difference in roll with your current vs. Evnroll? I would expect Evnroll to show no skipping at all.
    1 point
  39. Great intros from all the testers! I've always been partial to Callaway and Cobra drivers (I like the Cs I guess) so I'm really interested to see how everyone gets along with their drivers.
    1 point
  40. My Stage 1 feedback is posted. Click on the "Reviews" tab to read them all!
    1 point
  41. Keep in mind ipad's are compatible. I'm not a IOS user myself, but I do have an ipad that would work just fine. Maybe one day it android compatible, but for now at least most have access to an ipad at the very least!
    1 point
  42. Don't remind me of the pain I suffer having the audacity to prefer the wrong 50% of the cell phone market.
    1 point
  43. Just got done reading @ejgaudette and @Siamese Moose. Great job guys. I'll have mine up some time tomorrow.
    1 point
  44. Got out last weekend and finally getting around to posting. My swing was not in the best even after a range session that I had hoped would be more helpful than it was. Still loving the sound and feel of the driver and the launch and spin look to be in a better place. The course was wet from all the rain, but I can attest that when you get things in order the ball goes very well. Hoping to get some more testing in this afternoon.
    1 point
  45. Thanks, much appreciated. I think I finally fixed the pictures. I had some issues getting them uploaded and looking right but hopefully that is ironed out now. I’m actually interested to see your results too for the same reasons. I’m also not sure how much more “control” I have. It’s all smoke and mirrors. Haha. I’m itching to get the right shaft so I can really let the bombs fly.
    1 point
  46. As a non-tester who just picked up the Max LS, I think the regular Mavrik is better sounding. The Max LS takes me back to my Epic Flash days, maybe not quite as loud. Driver still has some pop, and I think it's a good match with my AutoFlex, but I find the sound to be less than desirable. Thoughts, @ejgaudette? I though the SpeedZone Xtreme was a little nicer sounding than the Max LS even.
    1 point
  47. Chaim Marks Los Angeles, CA I walk 9/10 rounds I play. currently using a caddytek explorer version 8 it’s solid but would be way better if I didn’t have to push it!
    1 point
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