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  1. ... One of the things I miss about teaching, is showing a student a drill or a particular move and then realizing my swing was starting to slip and the drill/move not only helped my student but helped me too. Like a lawyer with a fool for a client defending themselves, it is pretty amazing how I can diagnose a budding problem with a student but not myself, until it becomes a real issue. Yesterday commenting on bens197's most excellent swing I mentioned how I tend to over use my body to protect my back. Cognizant of that today I focused on using my body less and basically casting immediately to start the downswing. I had the best ball striking, full swing day in a long time. I hit driver to several places I haven't seen on this course and it was just a fun in sync feeling. ... Played in front of a high school tournament and the greens were much faster than they have been with some pins in some difficult but fair spots so I shot a 69 and lipped out a birdie putt on 17 to shoot under my age. I was hitting the ball so well I found myself above the hole too many times and with the speed of the greens I had to putt defensively. Just in time for a big scramble at WeKoPa, the #1 public course in AZ Friday. Lunch, drinks, dinner and swag so I am hoping one more round tomorrow has me on an upswing heading into Friday.
    16 points
  2. Played 7 holes today by myself…in preparation for my league playoff match tomorrow. thankfully I was the only person on the entire course. So nobody else could see me absolutely unable to make clean contact with anything on the ground. Driver was fine, par 3 on tee is fine. But the depth perception from my eyes just isn’t there yet for irons. What’s the penalty for teeing it up in the Fairways it’s a shame as I’m hitting driver really well right now. Putting is interesting. I close one eye while getting the line. But have both open tskingy the stroke. I putted decently today . But Tuesday in a scramble I putted very well. So I just have to find s way to get to the green. Simple right?
    13 points
  3. Owen and I played the back nine at River Heights today. Pretty decent day for both of us. We both shot 47 (+11). Not much to add other than it was pretty chilly in the shade. Driver was a little funky but nothing too punitive.
    12 points
  4. The swing cometh and then it goeth. Right now it’s gone. Where it went, I have no idea.
    11 points
  5. My course was wide open this afternoon and made it around in less than 3 hours... This was is where my approach ended up on the Par 5 15th - looking back down the fairway. I have been practicing my narrow stance, shoulders only, 1/2 and 3/4 swing shots with my wedges from 100 and in to dial in the distances. After a driver and a 3 wood to 70 yards short of the green - I used a 1/2 swing 54 to hit a low spinner. Hard to see but the ball mark is pin high on the right side of the picture, took a small hop forward and spun back toward the pin finishing below the hole. Tap in birdie. This is the picture I accidently took while getting my phone out of my pocket. I added it because some might be able to tell what I was using on the greens today. I made several lengthy putts to save par (8-12 foot range) and on the 18th I rolled in a 20 footer from the fringe the close the round with a birdie. I am taking a day off work tomorrow to go play Memorial Park - home of the Houston Open in November (before they close to prep for the tourney). Should be fun!
    9 points
  6. Gloomy Wednesday afternoon for my second 9 hole round at Caz GC this week and much drier than Tuesday with no standing water on greens and everywhere besides the usual puddles. Again very few golfers on the course and all singletons. One better than the day before too so will have to make my entry to the Virtual Weekly MGS Forum Championship, not to win mind you but compete as I am sure my golf is as safe from winning championships as it is from making a hole in one. There is definitely a focus different when playing alone than playing with others, I don't think I will ever get past that as I've come to value others and shared moments, so if golf suffers then I will just have to keep giving it tender loving care and recreational therapy as often as possible.
    7 points
  7. I'll have another update later on today, but in practice I have really been finding a groove with these recently and with that truly falling more in love them more on and more. I also appreciate all those who have reached out to me privately to ask questions as this is exactly why I am doing this review. To get a good review out there from start to finish and see how they not only perform, but also how they wear and change over time. A few things I should add Sub70 was smart in this 659 series and came out with MB (muscle back) TC (Tour Cavity which is what I got) and CB (Cavity Back) These were meant to be able to be blended and suite a great variety of handicaps. I am at at 9, however with a big ole * as I went through 2 years of playing very little here in Switzerland. This year I certainly made a extra effort to play more and as expected rounds and holes have fluctuated a lot. Had a couple great rounds in low 80s and a few in the 90s. I am working my way back and with a membership next season I hope to get back to my normal which is consistently low 80s and breaking into the 70s on a fairly regular basis. With that I think the CB is a iron that will certainly fit a lot. It has a similar looks and characteristics to the TC, but a longer blade length. Hindsight, maybe these are what I should have gone with? However I wanted to point out these and maybe they will be the next Monday Gratuitous Photo Thread? Because they really are a stellar looking club. I learned a while back the MB are not for me, kinda plain and simple. Even in my wedges I use the Ping Glide which are a cavity backish wedge. I think Sub70 did a great job with these irons and although maybe a thinner top line would suit my eye a little more I can't say it is something that I really am going to be too picky about (the 9 does look thicker then the others). Either way I think this is a combo set that can fit a great range of golfers and with many great options for shafts, finishes and more I definitely encourage anyone in the market for new irons to check these out.
    7 points
  8. I don't play anything that is cheap in price...
    7 points
  9. First off, a quick prayer for the unfortunate souls in Ian’s wake…. Just terrible ok back to business, and something that could be controversial… (cue eerie music..) ok shot a -2 69 from the black and blue combo tees. I’ve obviously been on a streak the last few weeks, but I’ve developed/ invented a new grip that I’ve been using that is utterly fantastic. Now, I have no idea that it isn’t one of the standard grips that is very common, but I prefer to think that I invented it, so there… now I’m calling this new grip the “modified baseball interlock”. The top (right) hand is in the normal position. Fairly neutral, in the fingers with thumb lying across the club to the left. Now what’s new is the left hand position. It is a baseball grip, with the thumb curled around the club, and instead of nestling in the palm of the right hand, it is now under the right palm, and the right pinky is interlocked with the left index finger. You kind of need to stretch the right hand fingers apart to get it to the comfortable spot. the first couple of swings feel very strange, but it gets better quickly. the results are that the club squares up and eliminates the leakers, or unplanned fades. They now become laser straight or a slight draw. try it, and if you find that it instantly straightens out your shot, please send $20 to sluggo42… if you break a finger or thumb, then you don’t need to send anything. Try at your own risk! I have no idea if it’s beneficial to anyone besides myself, but I just wanted to share because it’s been an amazing thing for me… cheers
    6 points
  10. Just watched a TXG video testing the AutoFlex irons shaft and Ian mentioned that when going lighter in the shaft even though the SW goes down usually, but the head weight is now a larger portion of the weight so it can actually feel heavier. Just another reminder that SW is not everything and you can get to almost any swing weight at a number of total club weights and they can al still feel different.
    6 points
  11. I have no doubts that the Autoflex lives up to all of its claims and that it's an Excellent option for a lot of people. So far in my testing with the OttoPhlex I'm seeing exactly everything that the Autoflex claims. As I mentioned though, I may not have the opportunity to ever personally compare the Autoflex with the OttoPhlex so that's definitely a hole in my game here. I'm hoping that maybe I can attract the right attention and perhaps get some folks to join in who might have an Autoflex and see how much of the same sandbox these 2 are actually playing in. I'm sure that the Autoflex might have it's own unique or specific bend profile, but so does every other shaft company. Like you and quite a few others have mentioned in other forums and reviews, it's not completely for everybody. What I will give Autoflex 100% credit for is cleverly marketing a light weight, light flex shaft in a way that would intrigue the general population to take interest. Whatever their "proprietary" bend profile happens to be, it's a lighter flex, lighter weight L, A, or R frequency cleverly disguised with a X or XX. Sheep in wolf's clothing scenario. My theory: There's a lot of ego and pride in the world. Autoflex knew that many could benefit from this type of shaft but in order to get it into more hands, they needed to call it something more than it is.. AND charge an ungodly premium for it in order to get noticed. Just like the videos though, and now that the cat's getting let out of the bag, there are a decent handful of alternatives at a super-fraction of the price that can yield similar.. or dare we say better results. MrShortgame's video kind of proved that. If you took a high, mid, and low cost option of 3 shafts having similar (not exactly the same) bend profiles and conceptual performance properties, took the price tag and aesthetics away and just compare them strictly off of feeling and performance, the cheapest option pretty handedly took home the medal. I mean, it's because of Autoflex though that we're here telling our success stories of soft flex shafts and and before Autoflex was around, these are secrets we'd all be keeping bottled up and buried in the backyard. It's like my kids and broccoli.. I'll cover it with cheese, bacon, and butter just to get them to try it.. I too once needed it to be disguised in order to accept it.. now that I'm older and know better, I just eat it plain with no disguises because i know the benefits. Moral of this story: Autoflex = broccoli covered in cheese, bacon, and butter.
    6 points
  12. This reminds me of the Monte drill for the No Turn/Cast lesson. I will have to go review that again, it is a great drill. Happy to hear you found a groove... Can't wait to read about you shooting your age in the next few days!
    6 points
  13. ... Kinda like buying a golf bag when you don't own any clubs. If you haven't followed the Electric Car thread, my GV60 EV was scheduled to arrive Thursday the 29th. But instead of the Advanced model I ordered it was the more expensive and more powerful Performance model that also has a shorter milage range. Before I caught the mistake my electrician installed my What Have You Bought Lately Juice Box 40 car charger that now just sits on my wall waiting for a car to charge with no delivery date.
    6 points
  14. Is there ANY putter, wedge, or driver that you haven't had at least once? LOL
    6 points
  15. You are correct, but this thread is simply a fun experiment based on claims that are being made via YouTube videos. Most people here would like to try an autoflex shaft simply because we are tinkerers and love to try golf equipment but many lack the desire to spend that much for a shaft. This “finding” gives people the opportunity to try the concept of the autoflex at a more affordable price range. While the values are not standardized it give us something that we as forum reading non industry people that don’t have the equipment to measure ei profiles a way to communicate. I personally doubt that most fitters would do this type of experiment during a fitting maybe they should but probably wouldn’t. This partially goes back to what I referred to about the ego of male golfers. Even though there are no standards, do you honestly think most 20-40 year old male golfer would purchase a shaft labeled with a senior or lite flex weighing 40 grams even if it gave them the best performance? We continually read about golfers complaining that they were fit to shafts labeled R or S believing they should be in something labeled X. this thread ultimately supports everything you repeatedly say, ignore weight and flex designations printed on the shaft and get fit for the equipment that works for you.
    5 points
  16. I'm only 'liking' this because I am in the same situation, but weirdly only with my driver swing. My only explanation is I played in a scramble last weekend and may have picked up a couple bad habits when we had a safe shot to improve upon. A range session is needed if I can find the time.
    5 points
  17. I'll chime in on that subject. You direct them to...shudder...a ladies flex shaft. I play senior flex shafts. I, too, have been intrigued with the issue at hand and started my experimentation last weekend. My best option was to drop down one flex given there was only one flex lower than senior available (yes, I'm an impeccable logician) and coincidentally the Grafalloy Pro Launch has been my driver shaft of choice for several months now. I ordered a Grafalloy "Supercharged" Pro Launch in L flex which is the lightest offered. Added an adapter last Thursday when I got back from a trip to and from the east coast, added a grip and took it to the course on Sunday. Hadn't played in two weeks due to the travel and temperature at tee time was a brisk 38 degrees so I waited until the back nine to "unleash" the experiment. Added 10-15 yards in less than optimal conditions. In anticipation I've got three more shafts headed this way and I'm hopeful that a bit more tinkering will allow me to squeak out even a bit more. Parenthetically, the traditional Grafalloy Pro Launch Blue is likely to be a better bet than the supposedly "supercharged" version but, for $20, it was worth a try. Driver head is a PXG 0311 XF Gen 5 by the way.
    5 points
  18. Took our fitting cart and Swing DNA out to fit myself for the HL. That thing is really smart. 2 of the 3 irons it suggested for me are irons I have been fit into before. One of them just 4 months ago. The third is a brand new shaft from KBS. But it replaces one I was fit onto before. It’s such an easy and accurate Device. i encourage anyone that is able to ask their fitter to use it, to do so. We have used it for non Mizuno fittings …sush don’t tell I really liked what o was seeing out of the HL. So I ordered the 5-SW with the KBS.I love my vokeys. But I’m curious what it’s 55\12 sand wedge will play like. here’s my DNA results.
    5 points
  19. The last couple of days I've been getting out in the yard working with the Swing Jacket, taking swings without a ball. I have wanted to put the net up, but windy conditions have kept me from it. Mostly, I've been out taking divots and observing where the club contacts the ground. I'll find a piece of grass or a leaf and see where I'm contacting the ground both front to back and side to side. My results have been encouraging, I'm seeing more ball then turf contact and less shanky shots. Today I did hit 5 whiffle balls and they were good. Lately I've been too obsessed with golf swing and not just letting my body do the work and my game has suffered. The jacket just allows me to move through the ball and takes my mind off all the club manipulation. I'm planning on continuing this for a while to build a feel and try to keep it simple.
    5 points
  20. shot well today but this time with the sub zero Mavrik. I think it’s a hair longer than the rogue max D, but not as perfectly centered every fricking drive. Irons hit well today too, but the putter didn’t drop anything longer than expected. Those killer rounds always have a few birds that were unexpected, and most of the ones that are expected. It’s like those pesky 8 footers that fall in a good round, or lip out on the grimace rounds that makes ya mutter a bunch of “if-only’s!” I wrote this yesterday, but forgot to hit send. Todays round fits into the same box, so what the heck. Yesterdays score was lower tho. Todays score was plus 4 after 5, and that included a birdie haha. Then finished the round even with a couple birds and bougs after that. The sub zero Mavrik nailed a few today, but I still want that rogue. Forcing myself to wait for a fitting, and the new Callaway offering.
    5 points
  21. I'm in Arizona.. there is no off season
    4 points
  22. Oh I don't doubt that there could be some underlying strategery there haha. It's almost like they're saying "y'all don't care what the shaft looks like or feels like as long as it has XXS written down the side of it" And they're not completely wrong And my reference was supposed to say "sheep in wolf's clothing " hopefully I didn't screw that up.. meaning that it looks all crazy and aggressive on the outside.. but really it's soft and cuddly on the inside
    4 points
  23. Good find! If Ian says it.. then it is so he's a knowledge beast!
    4 points
  24. So my irons are somewhat a progressive SW ranging from about D5 in the higher lofts, and then stepping down a SW about every 2 clubs. My wedges start at about D5, My 22.5° driving 4 iron with a 80g graphite shaft is about a D1. My iron and shaft choice, like this topic, and many of my life choices is a bit unconventional. I play Maltby TS1's with an early 2000's defunct shaft brand called Royal Precision. They're the Rifle Flighted option. Around about the 115g weight. My fairway woods are still around about D3. Don't be fooled by the light SW requirements of this test. I spent a good amount of time going back and forth between wedges and driver last night and there's no unnoticeable hitches in the transition. If I didn't know otherwise, I'd guess the driver to be a D4+ just by the overall feeling when you pick it up. I think the waggle effect tricks your brain into thinking it's much heavier than it is. Hopefully that answered your questions
    4 points
  25. Stu, just curious, what's your swing weight in your irons and irons for reference. I've got a fitting coming up an I can say that this intrigues the hell out of me.
    4 points
  26. Owen and I played the front nine at River Heights today, joined by our buddy Mark. Weather was similar to yesterday but with no wind so it didn't feel as chilly. Forgot my Shot Scope watch on the charger at home which really threw off my routine. Started out rough. First three holes we only managed one tee shot total in the fairway. Would've been two but my topped drive didn't even get that far. I managed an eight on the par three fourth. Just felt like we were there for the sake of being there. I turned it around somewhat from there. Another topped drive followed by a bomb of a 3 wood left me pin high to the right. Really good chip left me a tap in par. A good driver and hybrid put me in the green side bunker on a par five where I fell apart and bogeyed. Chipped back and forth across the green on a par three for a double. Another really good drive and then a wedge that I got under too much. Next chip left me close enough to hit the putt for par. On nine I walloped my drive and chipped to about ten feet to finish with a three putt bogey. The others never really got going. Owen shot 53, Mark 50 and I actually had low score with a 49. Owen's about ready to pack it in for the year. I'm torn between taking a couple days off or getting back out ASAP before the season ends.
    4 points
  27. Just checking in…..we came through just fine, some neighbors lost big trees but no power outage and no flooding at my home.
    4 points
  28. @RickyBobby_PR I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying here and I believe I've left the door open for interpretation and/or gray area with this project. This is a "big picture" idea here so let's not get lost in small details. It's pretty common knowledge at this point that there is NO standard across the golf equipment industry.. like at all. That's not even a debatable topic any more. Point 1: take 2 shafts from 2 different makers. 1 labeled X flex, the other A flex. remove any flex labels. There will undoubtedly be a noticeable difference between the 2.. regardless of what their individual definition of that respective flex is. A perfect example is the PX Evenflow Riptide 40g A. Compared to my Fuji MotoreX F1 6X, there is undoubtedly a difference in flex and weight. Is it 2 "flex frequencies" different? I don't think so. I was looking for different bend and feel characteristics.. so I moved on and to the GPLB which IMO feels like it could be 2 flex profiles different and is much closer to the profile that I had in mind. That's the gist of what I'm going for here. Like I mentioned, there may be yet another profile that I like even better but for now I'm extremely satisfied with Garafalloy. Point 2: unless we each have our own individual shaft frequency machines, the absolute best we have to go on at this point is generalities and personal feeling preferences between shafts. I would say that it's absolutely acceptable to use each company's "stated" flex as a baseline to start this experiment down the tracks and adjust from there based on personal preferences. I just figured I'd lend a hand and take some of the guessing out of it by conducting and documenting my own experiment for others to follow. Point 3: you are correct that getting fit is extremely important. BUT.. if I go to a fitter (and I have) and they determine that my SS is 110 MPH (and they have), and I tell them that I like shafts around 65g, unless I specifically say "Autoflex", there's no way that me or the fitter will ever know that a lighter weight and flex profile might better benefit me. On the flip side, if I don't know what weight shaft I like, and the fitter, by conventional wisdom puts me in a 65 or 70g shaft, I would say "that feels good to me" neither of us knew any different. Additionally, if I do say "Autoflex", do you honestly think the fitter will say or even know that there are 10 other less expensive, better performing options? I'll probably get sold an $800 Autoflex at that point. Big picture man.. just go along for the ride and work with us here. You might actually enjoy it.
    4 points
  29. Mark Crossfield took a visit to MGS HQ to chat with Harry about testing. I thought it was pretty cool to see another big golf personality come and talk to MGS. To be fair, I've generally been a fan of Crossfield's work and how he approached his reviews and tests and discussions on golf and equipment. Thoughts, comments? Sound off below!
    4 points
  30. We're lucky in that we still have power and internet (thank you Ring camera). We'll find out Sunday if we have exterior or interior damage.
    4 points
  31. Is this the equivalent of the "my other car is a Lamborghini" license plate frame? hahaha
    4 points
  32. 4 points
  33. Jason, I bolded and underlined the most important parts of what you wrote. It is great to just keep these simple, easy to understand thoughts while practicing, as it truly does lead to great results when you do get back out and play just using things which feel natural to you. I haven't posted much lately, as work has been pretty hectic and crazy due to staffing issues due to other's being out for medical reasons. I have played the last couple weekends, at different courses than usual, and just went with the idea of hitting a variety of shots and not keeping scores. One course actually played with just irons and none longer than a 4 iron. I did not go with the idea of using what would be the correct club off a tee, or what a normal shot would dictate, just to get through that round practicing all the clubs in the bag at various distances or situations. I wanted to get ready for an outing we had this past Monday for my old boss, who retired at the end of 2019, then suddenly and tragically passed away in November of 2020 with none of his plans or goals of retirement fulfilled. Sadly, he was the same age as I am. I did play in that event on Monday, although it was a cold and rainy day and actually had my best round of the year. +1 on a private club, that played about 6500 yards from the white tees, with 17 pars and a lone bogey where I missed a short par putt after initially missing the green with my approach, and then having a 5 footer with some left to right break to get that par. It truly is more about feeling comfortable and confident that you can come close to the shot that you visualize before you actually pull the trigger and execute it while eliminating any bad thoughts and minimizing any mistakes or errors, as none of us really hit each and every shot perfectly.
    4 points
  34. I'm dumb. I have a set of JPX 923 Hot Metal Pro on the way from 2ndswing. Had some trade in gift cards so it made sense to order. However, I decided to go get fit today at a local retail store. Definitely fit better in the standard 923 HM or HM HL. So i am going to keep that 2ndswing order and order another set lol (but sell the HMP when they arrive). I still need to figure out shaft though for the 923 HM set. The winner was DG 95 Stiff, but don't know if my body can take steel shafts. I hit the recoil 95 and hated them.
    4 points
  35. I follow Crossfield, I like his approach on his YT channel. I thought he asked some really good questions and it was informational on the protocol MGS uses for their testing and labs. Good stuff!!
    4 points
  36. Rookie mistake, I failed to make the top messages public... you should all see them now. The other mods will never let me live this one down.
    4 points
  37. Oh sure...hit me with that "under par" requirement! 73 is my career best but now that I'm 71, I'm thinking about shooting my age I guess I could mention aces, but.... (grin)
    4 points
  38. Really late to this thread but we picked up a very low mileage 2021 Tesla S LD+ 6 months or so ago. Really a great car. We had a 2021 Tesla Y (short range) that we'd bought new a year before we got the S but wanted longer range. We actually got $6K more than we paid trading in the Y thru Vroom. Really happy we upgraded to the S and having the around 400+ mile range is great.
    3 points
  39. Been trying to make some time practice what I can as we head into the off season. Lately I have been working to get 40 to 50 putts in focusing on set up and just the pendulum motion going (thinking about building my own gate). Then I have started up super speed training again and its is great to get the speed coming back along again. Now to keep that off all off season. Finally, today I tried that low point drill that was shared here a while back with two coins where you try to hit only the second one and miss the first. Got in a bit of a grove with pitch shot length swings. It was fun. I moved it forward and back in the stance too for various short game shots. Will have to keep that one in the rotation.
    3 points
  40. Here in Key West Hurricane Ian left flooded homes and cars, downed trees and other damage. For the most part, what was lost were things that can and will be replaced. Looking at coverage of Ian's devastation over the last 24 hours or so, it's not surprising that that hundreds of lives may have been lost. Unfortunately, those victims cannot be replaced. My heart aches for all of those who lost family and friends from Ian's impact. Here's hoping that forum members, family and friends in Ian's path are and will remain safe.
    3 points
  41. Sometimes it goes away just to be mean…
    3 points
  42. Standard deviations were also higher with the XXIO so he was more inconsistent. These types of evaluations are why you need to look at your specific numbers. That higher spin could be beneficial to a slower swing player or someone that struggles to generate spin. It is difficult to figure out how to present the final data since I becomes an average across all the testers. Marks final statements about having access to all the data and being able to isolate your specific conditions would be what is ideal. This is what they have done for drivers; with some limitations, via truegolffit.
    3 points
  43. Found this in my email inbox...
    3 points
  44. MGS Best Quote of the Month. Golf experimenters unite!
    3 points
  45. Does FootJoy make these with a 2 year waterproof guarantee?
    3 points
  46. Went in to get a new vokey wedge, come out with a ADXC driver shaft, and a set of T100's. Old lady is gonna cut my nuts off if she finds out lol.
    3 points
  47. ... Slacks!?! Well aren't we fancy down in the south y'all. And are they more expensive than non performance pants?
    3 points
  48. Was in Plano (Dallas) for my birthday and went to the PGA Superstore. Picked up a couple of pair of performance slacks for fall/winter golf. Wife gave me 2 dozen Snell MTBX balls for the b'day. And I had just picked up 2 dozen Maxfli Tour balls. With the 3 or 4 dozen Maxfli, Snell, and ProV1 balls at the house, I'm set for a few rounds
    3 points
  49. All good things must come to an end, I guess. Last night wasn't really a bad round with the driver, but not nearly as good as it has been for the last couple weeks and also included the first lost ball off the driver in a looong time. Irons and chipping kept the evening from being potentially really bad, but putting was a disaster. 20 official putts, 21 if you count the putt from the fringe, including another 4-putt on the most severe green on this particular course. It was dumb - I was way too nonchalant with third putt, treating it like a tap-in when it clearly was not. Normally I average 15-16 putts for 9 hole rounds, so taking 4-5 strokes off my +9 makes it a good round for me. I was +9 thru 6 holes when I finally pulled my head out of my a$$ and started putting better. I finished with 3 pars. I don't know if it is something mechanical or mental, but either way my pace has been terrible for a couple weeks. I'm half tempted to bench the StrokeLab and bust out my old Ping to see what happens. Friday afternoon @DiscipleofPenick and I are playing a course that arguably has the best (and fastest) greens in Akron. In my opinion, you can include many of the private courses in the discussion, too (at least that I have played). The greens are fantastic at this joint. It's not a place you want to go when you are struggling, but our tee time is at 1 and I'll be off work around 11, so I'll have plenty of time to practice.
    3 points
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