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3 hours ago, StrokerAce said:
I'd be worried about making a H-I-O with this crowd! Hopefully there's some good video to go along with the recaps!
You know it.
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Made it and starting the trip off correctly
Maybe we can get the H I O virtually lol
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We could live stream from a stationary position say that the back of the cottages assuming a good internet connection.
we could give everyone (or a group) a shot at talking to the camera.
I will be doing another video much like we did at Maryland.
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Using the MEZZ Max Putter. I am not a Putter Ho so my comparisons will be along with my gamer a Makefield original with a BGT shaft.
For reference My gauge is the total number of putts for a round and the info from the CAPTO unit.
I took out the Makefield on the first round of the year and had a terrific round of putting ending up with 3 putt on each side and a few one putts for a even 36 putts. OK its a regulation round.
Week one with the mezz mzx and I recorded the same number of putts however there where more 3 putts and more 1 putts.
Week two was not a go day of putting. no concentration resulting in a putt count of 38.
Week 3 was a different week entirely. a record low for me at 33 putts! only one 3 putt a side.
This took me indoors for a CAPTO session which will be posted later.
As a reminder I am releasing a video as to the initial thoughts of the putter and on course putting. We will also be discussing it on the live stream tonight at 530 pm eastern. look up mcgolf on youtube if you want to watch and or listen. Might even be talking the pinehurst trip.
Needless to say the putter aligns well and the feel for the "NO TORQUE" is certainly a thing. Thing so far that is most impactful to me is where the shaft enters the head. It is back from the face far enough to allow for some alignment lines and NOW when looking at the ball I'm able to see the face to the ball in relation to the direction of the putt. I.e, less crap in the way to putt better.
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I have video coming soon on the putter.
However initial thoughts:
1) the design for LAB putters certainly score big points for being un conservative. This is not necessarily a bad thing. New shapes can bring different perspectives to putting breaking stereotypes. The MEzz reminds me of the tanks from the movie Tron.
2) the look of the putter does not reflect the weight. The MEZZ max look like it could drive nails and should be heavy enough to do so. Where in fact it is lighter then my original putter.
3) the alignment of the putter is massive easy. To the point I find myself now seeing some breaks in greens I didnt before.
4) the ball rolls very easy off the face. The feel is very solid and distance control is something consistent.
obviously more to come
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in my best girlie voice— It being shipped!!!!
or for those that are a bit older- the Wells Fargo wagon is Comin down the street oh please let it be for me!
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Length of the golf club is one of the more to most important parameter(s) of the golf club. Length is equal to consistency.
It is IMO the one parameter that can be determined via dynamic testing. regardless of the shaft head etc.
Once the proper length is found you can start finding the rest of the needs after.
Using a club an inch over at your height seems excessive unless you have short arms or swing in a fashion that picks up the swing while swinging across the target line. much like stepping out of the batters box.
Use your current 6 iron and hit three balls check the impact pattern, then choke down 1/2" and do it again then another 1/2" and do it again it will become obvious which length is better suited to you.
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Sam was willing to take my own recommendations based on being a fitter. I told nope lets go through the process. I want to see how it works and hopefully I will learn a bit.
We got nerdy talking specifications, swing types and how the putters worked etc. i told him my misses. And the video revealed my a little to far from the ball and at a lie 1 degree off my spec.
We went with the recommendations. I have a feeling that I will be choking up just because I know it know. LOL.
He recommended the MEZZ MAX and that's what is ordered. I will say in the custom section where we have the choice of the different slight lines, colors, shafts and grips really give a feeling of a custom putter.
I also convinced him into a video and or live stream. After talking with him I have no doubt the run and gun questions much like the livestream is a great place to start.
Now waiting on the putter.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Who is McGolf?
McGolf is an young golfer at 60 years of age and started golf just as I left the military some thirty plus years ago. Ive met some of you at the Maryland MGS meet up however I ve made Ohio my home for the last 30 years. I like to think of myself as a casual golfer when I able to get to the grass BUTTTTTTT I am freak when it comes to golf equipment and how they work, if they come in the spec stated etc.
I (we) own and operate McGolf Custom Clubs with Mrs McGolf while still working in the nuclear industry as a director of Emergency services. I am always looking into newer putter technology and styles to see if they really work. We also run a youtube channel dedicated to golf equipment fittings, repairs and reviews. Which will make the review even more interesting to me and hopefully to you.
How to test this putter?
Testing will be an initial receipt inspection of the parameters. Then a comparison indoors to the gamer which is on a hot streak right now so this should be an awesome trial. I will be using the CAPTO to gather data. but all this doesn't mean diddly unless the ball goes into the hole. I can see a few contests out at the course.
My Game
Putting be far is the weakest part of my game. I dont switch putters often but when I do its typically after some level of success testing,. Im 80 to 84 for score. A LEFTY and the weather has just turned whoo whoo
First Impressions:
LAB putters stands for Lie Angle Balancing. The idea of the technology LAB presents a ZERO torque concept when performing the putting stroke. In talking with CEO (Sam) the putter should actually work better when the tension on the grip is lighter. To aid in the alignment of the face and get the putter into a proper loft, the grip is also unusual in that it presents the golfer with a present amount of lean to get the putter loft around 1- 2 degrees. There are three major models. The directed force model, the MEZZ and MEZZ max model and the LINK model. The custom options available are very substantial to include not only colors, but alignment lines, shaft choices and grips will different impacts when considering loft.
Aesthetics (8 out of 10)
● When talking Aesthetics, the LAB models are certainly in a category all their own. The MEZZ max is a very symmetrical model that is the LAB version of a fang putter or think model 7 from Odyssey. At first glance the MEZZ max looks like it could drive nails with the height of the putter. However, when looking down at the putter it looks easier to align and not to thick.
● The construction is a high test aluminum surrounding a block of milled steel.
● I opted for the low torque ACCRA shaft in black with a gray stone putter head and specific alignment lines in front of the shaft.
● Another difference of the LAB putter is where the putter shaft inserts into the head is much further from the face than the standard putter. In my opinion, this gives the user a clearer picture of the face angle/ alignment to the putter.
● Finally, the grip, it is a oval shaped 1.5 degree deloft. The best thing is when aligning the bicolor grip it automatically placed the putter in the proper position without some sort of weird placement.
● The sound and performance are softer and dead solid.
● Finally after the test period the other putters now look funny.
The Numbers (10 out of 10)
Once a golfer can get past the aesthetic of the putter, the weight and balance are noticeably different than the standard putter. The trend of heavier putters is blown out of the water here. Comparatively, the MEZZ Max is lighter but not feathery light. Immediately I noticed a good balance to the putter. Of course, it is a ZERO TORQUE balance which means in short that when you putt the putter wants to stay in the direction of the putt. This also translates into the use of a lighter grip, When we grip lighter, we don’t fight the putter in this case. In other putters a death grip is a welcomed addition to keep things on line. I used the CAPTO unit to get real data for the MEZZ MAX when comparing to my original gamer. It was working well so I expected a real fight to stay in the bag. I was not disappointed. It was a close competition but the MEZZ MAX won the numbers game.
I did a test using the capto unit that measure several parameters of the putt.:including consistency, accuracy, how you shake in the putt, the power loss or smash factor of the putt. Etc.
In each category measured against my gamer which is/was the makefield putter with a BGT shaft. The MEZZ Max won the overall contest by less than 1 percentage point. That may not sound like a lot however when the numbers were in the low to mid 90% range it is hard to get better. One category were the putter was a clear winner was the rotation or delivering the club back to square. The MEZZ MAX did exactly what it was supposed to do.
This was backed up by some on course testing at the home course the MEXX maz was a true weapon for a lower score.
On-Course (19 out of 20)
The reason for being late on the results is I had a Myrtle beach trip planned at the end of the evaluation. I went to 6 different courses. Shaftesbury, Pine lakes, Grande Dunes, Glen Dornoch, Tidewater and Arrowhead. All of the course had different greens complexes and different way to maintain them as I found out later. For the metric types I had 12 one putts, (12) 3 putts and the rest 2 putts with one 4 putt were my mind was already into some beachy type adult beverage. I had to use the Makefield for 6 holes tops in the rounds. I found the MEZZ MAX to be a great performer in fast and strangely enough slower greens. The greens that were still healing from aeration gave me issues where the Makefield did the heavy lifting. My directional control, distance to the second putt were terrific. The putter performance could only have be better if I one putter everything. Hahahahahaha.
The Good, the bad, the inbetween (19 out of 20)
I know this is self serving but I did an initial review on my YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnhcXyF5Xyg . In the video I talk to the initial thoughts and results of testing indoors . If you would like to know more I had a discussion with Sam of LAB golf that can be found here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfueKKcSii0&t=1s .
Ok the good the bad and in-betweens: The putter looks funky, we all know that. However, if I have found out anything looks are in the eyes of the beholder particularly when that thing is performing well. I have seen golfers completely absolutely not want to deal with a golf club based on looks alone buttttt, after a few schorpes (is that even a word) the golfer saw a dramatic improvement and all of a sudden it’s a thing of beauty. The MEZZ MAX falls into this category. Once I really looked at the symmetry it truly is not that far from some of the other crazy designs in the industry. One attribute I think is completely over looked is the alignment of the putter. I cant understand why more is not made of this. Because the shaft sets further back in the head it gives a clear alignment of the face, lines and ball. This is not to be over looked. It helps!
The bad. The price. The standard putter is in line with the other top line brand in the market. It is when the custom shaft or paint or anything else is added when the putter become very pricy. From a consumer point of view the performance needs to be justified and in light of the last few PGA tournaments it has with Adam Scott and Luke Glover playing lights out with the putter.
The inbetween, the grip that comes on the club is only available at LAB golf the best I can figure. Although LAB is very friendly handling one and twos while dealing with order could prove to be problematic.
Play it or Trade it? (20 out of 20)
PLAY IT!!!!!! Putting has been my weak spot in golf. It comes from lack of practice, patience, and confidence. When the testing starting I was already in the improvement mode with the gamer. However the entry of the MEZZ max help speed up the improvement process. It fits the stroke and taking tension off the grip really does help for me.
Conclusion
The LAB MEZZ MAX was a great choice made by SAM. Being a fitter, the process was a bit different talking with Sam and I learned a ton. This is the perfect example of you can’t judge a book by its cover. The feel is solid, the feed back is true. The performance is even better than expected. The putter is a complete package if you are looking for a low torque / 0 torque concept of a putter. Thanks to MGS for selecting me for the chance to use the MEZZ MAX.
As a final note I have paper work to become a dealer.
Final Score (96 out of 100)
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From my experience ferrule creep comes from the exposure to the heat and cold. Primarily from the heat in the trunk and going out to play. Temperature changes combined with little is done to a ferrule in production to keep it from moving except the fit to the shaft. In most cases when removing heads from shafts on OEMs there is little evidence that a ferrule was actually glued to the head. This is not 100% but I'd say a very percentage.
The "fix" to this again is a dab of superglue at the top of the hosel for the ferrule to seat against and it should be done. Or if doing a repair, add some epoxy to the ID of the ferrule to ensure a good bond to the shaft and head at assembly.
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Unless you want to continue to perform these types of activities I would say find a club guy to get the change for you.
the initial investment to get this done could also make the task more expensive than you may want to consider.
if you are looking for another hobby and have the time to learn then by all means get the tools , do the job right with the proper tool to remove the level of error and be prepared to trade jobs for beer.
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Adding the length of length will increase the swing weight, to lower it would meaning adding to the butt of the club as the easiest way to do this. It would take an extra ordinary amount of wieght.
The club it going to be heavier in the head but the over all weight will be very similar. I would not sweat it unless you prefer weight in the hands verse the head
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I can speak to thre stroke lab and bgt shafts when compared to a standard putter shaft for different reasons.
one is an odyssey comparison and the stroke lab shaft is light years smoother making it easier for making putts. This for 2 reasons, the back weight in the shaft and the small amount of steel for the tip.
second is bgt in a makefield putter. Putt Better with a STABILITY putter shaft
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although not an ALL FIT or CLUB CONEX it is an adapter or at the very least has been modified to accept other shafts.
My guess is its either a demo head or had been machined to accept a screw in type of adapter. I am told a few companies did do that.
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Did a quick google search the PING I 20 is a bonded club, it would not have an adapter.
If yours has a "nut" on it. It sounds as if it has been modified to hold an adapter such as an ALL FITT or CLub Connex.
If so remove the adapter and reattach a shaft in the normal fashion
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That is a great idea for those wanting a rib on the grip.
Golfworks is another resource for the same thing
go advice on the air install too.
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This is the most recent video of club building. From disassembly to putting them back together.
If you come across questions about this stuff. You can ask me questions during our livestream on Mondays 530 eastern on the YT channel or FB page.
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1 full swing grip and one putter grip
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On 3/13/2023 at 6:28 PM, ChitownM2 said:
I bought my current gamer irons second hand and have gotten along with them pretty well. They were originally 2° up from Srixon standard and also + 1/2" (from prev owner). When I got them I pulled the grips and cut them to std length and have been playing them ever since. After going for a fitting recently, we determined that I'm not going to gain much from a new set of irons but based on the session, it does appear that getting back a couple of swing weight points would be beneficial to my dispersion and also since I'm not coming over the top as much as I was when I first got them, I need to go back to the std lie angle to help reduce some of my left misses.
So the plan is to pull the heads and tip weights and then rebuild the same pieces with heavier weights to get me back to D2 instead of the C9.5-D0 they are currently at. I have all the tools required to do that, but can't do the lie adjustment as I don't have the machine and wouldn't try it on my gamers even if I did.
My question is: Should I go have the lie angles adjusted and then pull the shafts and re-build or re-build them and then take them to have the lie angle changed? In theory adjusting the lie angle would have a small effect on swing weight so I should do that first, but it's also possible that even with centering beads that I wouldn't get the shaft perfectly centered in the head so maybe it makes sense to adjust lie afterward? Also possible that the differences are going to be so minimal that it doesn't make a difference either way.....
The removal of 1/2" of the club is generally good for 3 sw pts.
Flattening the lie about 3 degrees can have an affect on swing weight and length of the club. albeit small but there is a change.
Centering beads will not make a noticeable difference.
For this task I would Take the clubs apart, add the weight, reassemble the check length and have lie adjusted to be on the mark when done
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