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The Get Sum is a 2-piece ball. 2 piece balls are essentially just a price point ball. I think why so many golfers of certain generations became bump & run short game players was because so many played 2 piece balls that have low spin. Its a myth that skill determines ball type. Its really budget and needs. If you want to increase distance, you usually need to go harder. If you want to be able to stop the ball with spin or work the ball flight, you'll need a 3 piece ball. A 3 piece ball will get you the performance you want but 3 piece balls cost more. If you're a low spin driver looking for the lowest possible cost, its Kirkland. If you're not a Costco member or need lower spin, you're better off with TaylorMade Tour Response or Maxfli Tour S. Both are about $40/dozen but the Maxfli you can regularly buy in bulk around $120 for 4 dozen.

I think you may need a detailed evaluation using a launch monitor that compares the two. I recently did a $25 PXG fitting to compare my TM irons and see what I need. Obviously their recommendations were based on PXG models but it helped me see where my swing fits in the traditional irons model lineup. FWIW, I subscribe to the camp that believes 90% of golfers should be playing Game Improvement irons or very forgiving polymer-filled irons.

I'm not aware of a DTC brand that manufactures their own balls - and the only OEMs I know of producing their own balls is TaylorMade and Titleist. The only balls I know of made in the USA are *most* Titleist. Nearly all golf balls are made in two separate plants in Taiwan. @Tony Covey MGS may be able to provide more accurate info.

I was able to get some fitting specs from a PXG fitting I did - the guys at Sub 70 said to share with them and they'd give me a personalized recommendation. That's great customer service.

My fitting was great. I was worried about judgment from the fitter because I don't play or practice nearly enough to get consistent ball striking, but was quickly eradicated. I was fit for the 0311 XP but was told with practice the 0311 P would suit me long term. The sticker price is more than I want to spend so I may hold out for a sale or see if I can take these measurements to a well-versed fitter for something more in line with my budget. I did enjoy the PXG clubs - if I had the money I would have pulled the trigger on the spot. Take advantage of the $25 fitting deal if you can.

When Dicks Sporting Goods first went national, Knight was their bottom rung clubs. There was a driving range near my house that had lots of clubs called Bird or Byrd.

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As suggested, customer service is first class. Can't wait to try these!

For $120, they send you the 6 and 9 irons of the model of your choice. You send back to them (with prepaid label) within 10 days and they refund $100. So I got the 6 and 9 irons of the 699 with a stiff steel shaft. It doesn't say which shaft.

Thanks. My preference is to go with Sub 70 and sharing with them what I got from the PXG fitting to build an ideal set. If I do like PXG enough, I'd consider them. Its just that most of their models are beyond my current skill and budget.

Sub 70 699 demos get delivered tomorrow. I'm excited to try these.

Most of their balls have a matte finish, which doesn't fly in Pennsylvania. Too wet most of the year either from morning dew or rain. IIRC, their tour level ball available in white S4 had almost as much spin as a K Sig. I have to suspect that's why Bubba dropped them so quickly.

Just like other clubs, there's a lot of brand prestige and posturing involved with a Scotty - just like Odyssey was decades ago or what Vokeys have in the wedge world. Too many golfers buy a Scotty to project an image that they're a better golfer, that they're a serious golfer, or that they have money to blow on something like a putter. I think the greatest value added by My Golf Spy to the golf consumer is breaking down the myths of certain balls and putters. Are Scottys great putters? Yeah. They're well-made with quality components. They're also generally accessible at the local golf shop. But as testing on MGS can attest - they don't make you putt any different. In fact, there are routinely better performers at half the price by Cleveland, Tommy Armour, and Wilson Staff. Its not that they're overpriced - but the price doesn't get the average golfer anything better. I think you'd also see more tour players crossing over equipment contracts to use them if that were true. Get fit for a putter to make sure you have the correct head shape and shaft for your putting stroke and go from there. If you think a $450 Scotty is better for you than a $200 Cleveland HB, then go for it.

I took advantage of the PXG $25 fitting deal and have one scheduled with a local shop next week. Does anyone know if they'll "give" me anything to take away in case I choose to buy elsewhere? I've never been fitted before so I'm not sure how universal their fitting process will be like length, lie, shaft model, etc. recommendations.

I'm definitely leaning Sub 70 right now just from the countless stories on here about their customer service and customization options. I'm using the PXG $25 fittings to my advantage and getting one of those next week to confirm what I found online and hopefully have some stats to share with Sub 70 ensure I'm getting what is best for me. This forum community and all the MGS content has been such a godsend for me discovering what is best for my game.

Another discovery is that Maple Hill Golf has Wilson Staff D9 Forged for $549. I have a crush on Wilson Staff clubs, but according to some online resources, I should probably have my irons adjusted 1 degree upright because I'm a bit shorter. Anyone think this is a bad idea to consider the D9 Forged? They seem to get great reviews. Basically trying to get the best for me in the limited $500-600 range. I'm too inconsistent to get anything beyond forgiving players distance heads.

My current set of irons are not what I need. I was dumb and being cheap, so I bought late model TaylorMades from Dunhams. The salesperson knew almost nothing about golf and basically just allowed me into a room with a hitting mat & net to bang balls. I didn't do any research (had not yet discovered MGS) or had ever been fitted, so while I bought the correct type of head (game improvement), I didn't have anyone catching my other errors. I have a faster swing so I bought regular instead of stiff shafts. I also misunderstood the "high launch" edition of these clubs thinking it was for golfers like me who tend to thin irons, not understanding that they're adjusted for slower swing speeds (the opposite of me).

Also interested in hearing from anyone who has thoughts on 699 v1 vs 699 v2

Anyone have any strong feelings between Takomo 101 and Sub 70 699 irons? Very similar design, price, etc.

Came here to mention Dunlop. My first set was a women's Dunlop half set (D-3W-3-5-7-9-Putter) as a short 11 year old and an era where kids clubs were glorified toys. They were a little shorter and lighter than men's clubs and I actually hit them really well. Some will laugh, but at 14 I saved up from umpiring little league games to buy a full set of...Spalding! These were junk but I had them for 20 years lol. I also came to offer Teardrop, Orlimar, etc.

Another strong set to consider is the Callaway Edge set exclusive to Costco. In store its about $549 without a bag, but right now Costco is selling a Sun Mountain bag for $129. Online they have more options like left hand, stiff shaft, women's, etc. As some have said, component and build quality can be questionable even with some of the bigger name golf brands. The Top Flight and Wilson bag sets fit the price point and its hard for some to stomach used good over new meh if they don't know if they'll play again. A new set of super game improvement irons won't do much better for a first time golfer than that Top Flight bag set.

I have the C-130 S which is more of a hybrid bag. Think a C-130 with a stand. I had a horrific incident years ago with a cart bag falling over so I have a hard time trusting anything without legs. I love my Sun Mountain bag. Great quality. Plus I appreciate that they're assembled in USA.

I know its not what you're looking for, but Costco is selling online a Voice Caddie SC300 for $300, which is a PFG deal https://www.costco.com/voice-caddie---sc300-portable-launch-monitor.product.100774164.html

I feel like it should have been the Best Value winner because it performed MUCH better than the K Sig but is still a couple hundred less than the 430 Max 10K and most others. Yeah its list price is $499 but since Wilson Staff doesn't move product I'm seeing it discounted to $399 in several places. I'm confused about the scoring because the performance comparison you show on here doesn't correspond to the scoring. There are some very small differences in stats but bigger difference in scoring to push the 430 Max 10K ahead of Dynapower Carbon.