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    Caddie1966 got a reaction from DawgDaddy in Garsen Putter Grip - MAX - 2023 Forum Review   
    My name is Chris.  I go by Caddie1966 on the MGS forum.  As a baseball obsessed 12 year old my exposure to golf was to chase down balls hit OB at a muni by my house and sell them back to the players who hit them out.  In April of 1966, I hitchhiked 15 miles for the first time to and from a private course and started caddying on Saturday and Sunday.  When school ended for summer, I hitched a ride 7 days a week; caddying Tuesday through Sunday, often 36/day and played 36-54 with the other caddies each Monday from 6 a.m. to 8 p.m.  I fell in love with Golf back then and have been infatuated ever since.
    Like Danny Noonan from Caddyshack, I focused on earning an Evans Scholarship so I could attend college.  Unlike Danny, I did earn the scholarship to Michigan State where I briefly continued my baseball career.  After my freshman year, pro baseball was not in the cards, so I played ball only in the summer, studied harder and played more golf.
    I introduced my wife to Golf shortly after we married in 1974.  49 years later, she still plays and enjoys new courses as we travel the US.  We moved to Texas in 1994 where I taught my daughters to play well enough that they both played on HS teams that qualified for the State Championship.  I am now teaching my youngest Grandson to play.  I play to an index of 8 now as a 70 year old but was as low as 3.7 in my late 40s.  I retired in 2017 and play 3-4 times each week and walk 120+ rounds each year in North Texas.  
     
    Putting has always been my Achilles heel. Over the past few years, I have developed the Yips inside 10 feet.  My fault is right hand and right elbow breakdown on short putts.  I have been a conventional grip guy for almost 60 years and have NEVER stroked a putt with anything else.  My average putts per round have increased from 29 or 1.6 to 32.5 putts or 1.8 per hole in the past 3 years.  My birdie count has dropped significantly from over 1.3 per round in 2020 to 1.15 in 2021 to .925 in 2022.  This decline is primarily due to putting inside 10 feet. 3 putts have gone from 5% to 7% in that same stretch.  
    My selection to test the Garsen MAX came the same day I had scheduled a switch to a super soft oversize at my proshop. Serendipity?  The only exposure I had to Garsen prior to this test was checking out Tony Finau’s bright green grip with his logo during the Dell WGC this year and learning that Garsen had quite a few wins on the PGA and LPGA tours.  I did not focus on the three grip selections, as I wasn’t considering a grip change until very recently.  
     
    I am changing my gamer, an Odyssey EXO7 to the Garsen MAX.  I want to see if my hand and elbow integrity improves with this new grip.   I am going to have the new grip installed with air so I can swap out to the Ultimate and QUAD Tour without cutting the grips off.  I’ve been a stats guy since I collected baseball cards as a kid.  I plan to log my results with the current EXO7 grip and the MAX as follows:
    5 rounds each at my home track, pacing off each putt and logging makes, misses, break direction and short, left or right on the misses.  Home putting mat performance from 4 and 8 feet. Putting green testing from 5, 10, 15, 20 and 25 feet, logging the same as I do during the rounds I play. Reducing my average putts from 32 and making more inside 10 feet while improving my hand and arm integrity will assure the Garsen MAX stays in the bag.
    Garsen MAX Putter Review
    Thank you very much to MGS and to Garsen Golf for the opportunity to review the Garsen MAX putter grip.  This is the first opportunity I have had to review any products through the MGS Forum since I joined in October 2021.  Admittedly, I didn’t finish my profile until mid last year so I feel fortunate to be testing within a few months of completing my profile and becoming qualified to be a tester.  
    I was pumped to be chosen for the Garsen MAX putter grip test as I had just decided to switch to an oversized putter grip.  The timing was perfect for me.

    One of the tag lines on the Garsen Golf website for the MAX is “The fastest way to make more putts.”  Others include: “Innovation with a twist.” “This simple, yet effective, grip innovation is the fastest way to immediately improve your putting.”
    I was intrigued to say the least. 
     
    Unboxing: (6 of 10)
    After a quick email exchange with Kyle from Garsen Golf to choose colors and arrange delivery, Garsen sent a package of three different putter grips.  The Quad TOUR, The Ultimate and The MAX arrived on May 9th in a simple packing envelope with a nice letter from Bernard Garsen, President, CEO and Founder of Garsen Golf along with two Garsen Putter Grip stickers.  Each grip was wrapped in cellophane and delivered in the colors I requested. 
    The Quad Tour comes in Black in either tapered or non-tapered.  I selected the tapered version.  I’m a Michigan State alum so I had to choose Green for The Ultimate.  The Ultimate also comes in Black or Blue.  The Max is available in White, Blue or Red. I chose the Red as it also has Black Chevrons and White lettering.  These are the colors of my two grandsons middle school teams.  My review is focused on The MAX  but I will install each of the others later this month and submit individual reviews of The Quad TOUR and The Ultimate later this summer. 

    First Impressions (18 of 20)
    The Garsen MAX has alternating Red and Black Chevron style markings that appear to help with hand alignment.  The MAX is standard length and is oversized but not massively so. The most obvious difference on the MAX from other putter grips is it’s RIB which extends top to bottom and bisects the left and right sides of the grip.   I liked the looks  and the initial feel of the MAX but was very curious as to how it would feel on my putter and if the RIB would be helpful or would it hinder my putting grip and putting stroke.  

    Aesthetics (10 of 10)
    To say the Garsen MAX grip is unique is an understatement.  The RIB grabbed my attention immediately as it extends right down the centerline of the grip.  The White MAX logo is on either side of the RIB just below the very top of the grip.  The Garsen logo is located in the bottom third on the left side of the RIB.  Black and Red Chevrons separate the Red lower section from the Black upper section.  These Chevrons aid in hand placement as I will discuss further.  To quote Billy Crystal,

    Installation
    I elected to replace the original Odyssey EXO7 pistol grip on my gamer with the Garsen MAX.  The install could not have gone smoother. After removing the old grip and cleaning the shaft up, I used a small amount of mineral spirits and slid the MAX on with no issue until it was halfway on.  At that point, I pushed a bit harder and it was done. Easy please, Lemon Sqeezy.
    Feel
    Garsen MAX feels tacky but not so tacky that you would cringe like you would if you saw me wearing some of the outfits that Ian Poulter wears.  I’m a light grip pressure putter and the feel of the MAX is about as perfect for me as it gets.  The MAX is solid but not hard, soft yet substantial.  The material is High Tech PUI so it’s like having no slip traction on the grip.  Being a guy who NEVER even practiced with anything other than a pistol grip in 58 years of playing, I initially wondered if the MAX was something I should even try as the grip fit my hands in a much different way than my pistol grip.
    RIB
    The most unusual element of the MAX technology is the RIB. The RIB extends top to bottom and is visible while gripping the putter. Although it’s noticeable, I was surprised that the RIB was not a distraction, rather I found it to be a guide to hand placement.  
    My hands fit on the sides of the RIB and I align my left thumb with the Black Chevron and the pad of my right thumb to the right side of that same Chevron.  The MAX enables me to put a bit of pressure on the grip with my thumbs enabling me to keep my wrists in a more “locked and upright position” to quote every flight attendant I ever flew with.  
    Taper
    MAX has a slight taper of approximately one quarter inch from top to bottom.  
     
    Tale of the Tape
                         Garsen MAX              Odyssey Pistol
    Diameter   1.5 inches                  1.0 inch                        
    Length       10.25 inches             10 inches                 
    Weight       55 grams                   69 grams                
    Core Size   .600                           .580
    My History
    I have struggled through the putting YIPs for the past 2 + years.  I don’t freeze over the putt, my right hand and elbow simply flare out during my through stroke.  This results in putts being pulled wildly left, shoved way right and often stopping woefully short as a my putter face contact is inconsistent.  I also lose my posture during these YIPs and sometimes, even my lower body moves.  I have no idea when this will occur so it’s not something I can wait out or take a few extra practice strokes to alleviate.  The YIPs seemed to occur 2-3 times a round, resulting in 3 and sometimes 4 putt greens.  I would do this on 2-50 foot putts.  It’s a terrible thing.  
    I tried left hand low, changing putters, pencil grip, even a long putter.  Nothing worked.  What I had not done was change putter grips. That’s why when the opportunity to review the Garsen MAX came along, I jumped in.  
    The Garsen Golf website stases:
    “…the MAX  places your hands in a position so the palms are in a neutral position.  It turns your elbows into your body and sets your shoulders back.  This relieves arm and shoulder tension, inhibits wrist action which takes “the hands out of putting” and promotes shoulder rotation creating a solid putting stroke which will give you a one-piece feel, leading to a more consistent stroke.”
    I WANT THAT!!!!!!!!⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
    My pistol grip 

    My MAX grip

    The Numbers and My Testing (20 of 20)
    My 2022 GHIN putting stats

    My 2023 GHIN putting stats YTD

    The YTD putting stats were prior to my testing efforts.
    As I began to think of how to evaluate and review a putter grip change, I settled on trying to find comparable tests to evaluate both on and off course. Would I see if the Garsen MAX lived up to the tag line of “The fastest way to make more putts.”? 

    My approach was to evaluate on 3 different tests with a large enough sample size to convince myself that the results were real where each test was a fair evaluation and not subject to a halo effect of trying something new and wanting it to be better.
    Test 1
    Indoor testing was done using my 9 foot putting mat and a perfect putt target consisting of 60 putts from 5 feet and 60 putts from 8 feet for both the Pistol and MAX grips.  I completed 10 each at a time from each distance with a 5 minute break in between to reduce the likelihood of being in a groove. So this test was 120 putts for each grip.
     

    My make rate indoors combined from 5 and 8 feet using the pistol grip was 54%.  I made 65 of 120 attempts and missed primarily due to pulled putts going left.  I left 8% short from 8 feet. 
    My make rate indoors combined from 5 and 8 feet using the Garsen MAX was 78%.  I made 94 of 120 attempts and  my misses were split equally left and right.  I left 0 of the 120 putts short using the MAX.
    These results were quite surprising as I made nearly 30 more putts with the MAX, an increase of 45%.  

    Test 2
    Outdoor testing was on the putting green at my home course, Denton  Country Club.  I putted early a.m. to assure no disruptions due to other players using the practice green.  I putted 60 putts with each grip installed.  12 putts from distances of 5, 10, 15, 20 and 25 feet for a total of 120 putts.  These putts were as straight as I could find.  All were uphill slightly and the STIMP readings for these days was 10.5.

    Test 2 was more challenging as the distances increased and lines varied more than indoors. It was difficult finding straight putts over 15 feet on DCC’s relatively small practice green.
    My make rate with the Odyssey grip outdoors was 35% across all distances combined while my make rate with the Garsen Max was 52% for the same distances.
    While similar at under 10 feet, my make rate over 10 feet with the MAX was double that of the Odyssey: 21 Vs. 11.  
    My short misses with the Odyssey we’re nearly double the MAX short misses: 11 to 7.  I kept the putts more to the high side of the hole with the MAX which positively increased my make rate. 

     

    My GHIN numbers for 2022 and 2023 YTD pre MAX testing are summarized as follows:
    2022
    115 rounds 32.8 ppr 23% 1 putt, 72% 2 putt, 5% 3+  

    2023  
    45 rounds 32.5 ppr 26% 1 putt, 67% 2 putt, 7% 3+
     
    Test 3 (20 of 20) 
    On  course testing.  Where the rubber meets the road. Where the chickens come home to roost.  

    I played 5 rounds with each grip at my home track and walked off every putt I had during those rounds, no gimmies.  I recorded the distances on the scorecard for every putt so I noted each putt on each hole and total feet of putts per hole.  I also recorded low, high and short.  

    So how did I do and more importantly, how did the Garsen MAX do vs. the Odyssey pistol grip?
    Odyssey
    Round 1      33 putts                                                            
    Round 2     34 putts                                                                
    Round 3     34 putts                                                                 
    Round 4     31 putts                                                                    
    Round 5     32 putts                                                                     
    Total          164 putts                                                              
    Average   32.8 putts                                  
    Avg 1 putt: 3.0 2 putt: 12.4. 3 putt 2.6     
    Proximity to hole on 1st putt: 14.3 feet.  
    Range 1-45 feet    
    Pretty much like I have putted for the past 2+ years.
    MAX
    Round 1       27 putts                                                        
    Round 2      29 putts                                                      
    Round 3      30 putts                                                       
    Round 4      26 putts (lowest 18 hole putt count ever)    
    Round 5      33 putts (12 first putts over 22 feet)           
    Total          145 putts                                                         
    Average      29 putts
    Avg 1 putt: 6.8, Avg 2 putt: 7.6 Avg 3 putt: 0.8          
    Proximity to hole on 1st putt: 14.9 feet.  
    Range 2-65 feet
    Results
    Garsen MAX out performed the Odyssey pistol grip by a wide margin
    1 putts rose from 15 to 34 in 5 rounds                                
    3 putts dropped from 13 to 4 in 5 rounds
    Strokes Gained Putting                                                                  
    In 5 rounds I gained 3.8 strokes putting using the Garsen MAX putter grip.  My total YIPs in 5 rounds with the Odyssey was 9.  I had a single YIP with the MAX in round 1 and none thereafter. Two of my four 3 putts with the MAX came in round 5 where my 1st putts were 42 and 65 feet from the flag.
    How do I explain this improvement? My PUTTING grip changed with the PUTTER grip.  The statements on the Garsen Golf website rang true for me:
    My hands are on the side of the putter.                                  
    My palms face each other.                                                      
    My wrists are more neutral.                                                     
    My elbows are closer to my body.                                            
    My shoulders are back.                                                            
    My shoulder rotation is more consistent.                              
    My distance control is better.
    Simply put, I hit more solid putts.  My putter head sits more level to the ground as the grip changes have me more upright and closer to the ball. I make better contact closer to the sweet-spot.  My misses are closer to the hole.  More putts are getting to the hole and more putts are on the high side.  
    The Garsen MAX, specifically the RIB and the oversize technologies completely changed my technique and stroke for the better.  The new technique has resulted in better outcomes.  The better outcomes have led to higher confidence.  
     
    The Garsen MAX grip has been shockingly positive for me and has far exceeded any expectations I might have had.
    Will the MAX stay in the bag? (20 of 20)
    Absolutely yes!  
    Let me quote Eric Clapton, my favorite artist of all time:  “It’s in the way that you use it.  Boy don’t you know.  Don’t you ever confuse it. Don’t let it go.”  
    The MAX has found a home in my bag and will be tough to remove.  
    When I joined MGS I listed my strength as Driving the ball.  I am still a strong driver.  However I don’t believe any driver can improve my game by 3.8 strokes gained.  If I had the MAX in my bag and with these results when I joined MGS I would have proudly claimed putting as my biggest strength.
     
    Overall  (94 of 100)
     

     
     
     
     
     
      
     
     
     
     
     
                               

     

     
     
     
     
     
     
     


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    Caddie1966 got a reaction from Ball0 in Music on the Golf Course?   
    The instruments I play are my iPhone or iPad or iMac with 3000+ songs on them.  I’m INTO music. Classic Rock, Blues, Jazz, and as the Blues Brothers found out at Bob’s, both kinds: Country AND Western.  I have 4 Bluetooth speakers for outside use.   I carry a JBL in my bag.  I don’t however use that speaker at the golf course except when I am alone in a corner of the practice area and at least 25 yards from the closest person.  I play it so only I can hear it.
    I play with a guy who doesn’t ask anyone and turns it up loud enough to drown out the walk up music at a LIV golf tournament.  I ask him every time to lower the volume.  It’s completely unnecessary to be that self focused.
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    Caddie1966 got a reaction from Billy Bob in Music on the Golf Course?   
    The instruments I play are my iPhone or iPad or iMac with 3000+ songs on them.  I’m INTO music. Classic Rock, Blues, Jazz, and as the Blues Brothers found out at Bob’s, both kinds: Country AND Western.  I have 4 Bluetooth speakers for outside use.   I carry a JBL in my bag.  I don’t however use that speaker at the golf course except when I am alone in a corner of the practice area and at least 25 yards from the closest person.  I play it so only I can hear it.
    I play with a guy who doesn’t ask anyone and turns it up loud enough to drown out the walk up music at a LIV golf tournament.  I ask him every time to lower the volume.  It’s completely unnecessary to be that self focused.
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    Caddie1966 got a reaction from Josh Parker in Kirkland V3 Golf Ball   
    2nd round with Kirkland V3.  Shot 73 + 2.  
    Hit 10 fairways and 11 greens with the same ball I played the last round with.  Our greens are syringed as they are bent and it’s 100+ everyday here now, but this ball SPINS on wedge shots.  I didn’t have the same winds today as Tuesday so I could assess spin on drives better today.  I hit 8 of the 10 fairways where I hit driver today.  We have four holes where I don’t hit driver off the tee.  I drove it through the fairway on one of the position holes. 
    So, 36 with this ball and the only thing I don’t like about it is the sound off my putter.  It sounds clicky when I don’t hit the exact sweet spot.  It’s good feedback, but not a sound I care to hear often.
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    Caddie1966 got a reaction from Josh Parker in Are grips personal preference or is there more of a science to finding the right grip?   
    I switched from standard to the midsize10 years back  to help me from being too handsy and reducing the tendency to close the club face too soon.  I will always use midsize going forward.
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    Caddie1966 got a reaction from Josh Parker in Kirkland V3 Golf Ball   
    Played my first round with the new V3 today.  Can’t speak to driver spin as it was rather windy so  couldn’t really tell one way or the other on driver spin.  Green side spin was as good as anything I have played.  I have 3 year old Ping Glide wedges and I was spinning this ball around the green like the wedges had been turbo charged.  It actually wasn’t expected as I have played Kirkland 3 and 4 layer balls previously and ever experienced what I did today on the greens.  I played one ball he whole round.  It did get a scuff from nicking a tree limb but no other blemishes or other issues.  
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    Caddie1966 got a reaction from BallsLeon in Garsen Putter Grip - MAX - 2023 Forum Review   
    My name is Chris.  I go by Caddie1966 on the MGS forum.  As a baseball obsessed 12 year old my exposure to golf was to chase down balls hit OB at a muni by my house and sell them back to the players who hit them out.  In April of 1966, I hitchhiked 15 miles for the first time to and from a private course and started caddying on Saturday and Sunday.  When school ended for summer, I hitched a ride 7 days a week; caddying Tuesday through Sunday, often 36/day and played 36-54 with the other caddies each Monday from 6 a.m. to 8 p.m.  I fell in love with Golf back then and have been infatuated ever since.
    Like Danny Noonan from Caddyshack, I focused on earning an Evans Scholarship so I could attend college.  Unlike Danny, I did earn the scholarship to Michigan State where I briefly continued my baseball career.  After my freshman year, pro baseball was not in the cards, so I played ball only in the summer, studied harder and played more golf.
    I introduced my wife to Golf shortly after we married in 1974.  49 years later, she still plays and enjoys new courses as we travel the US.  We moved to Texas in 1994 where I taught my daughters to play well enough that they both played on HS teams that qualified for the State Championship.  I am now teaching my youngest Grandson to play.  I play to an index of 8 now as a 70 year old but was as low as 3.7 in my late 40s.  I retired in 2017 and play 3-4 times each week and walk 120+ rounds each year in North Texas.  
     
    Putting has always been my Achilles heel. Over the past few years, I have developed the Yips inside 10 feet.  My fault is right hand and right elbow breakdown on short putts.  I have been a conventional grip guy for almost 60 years and have NEVER stroked a putt with anything else.  My average putts per round have increased from 29 or 1.6 to 32.5 putts or 1.8 per hole in the past 3 years.  My birdie count has dropped significantly from over 1.3 per round in 2020 to 1.15 in 2021 to .925 in 2022.  This decline is primarily due to putting inside 10 feet. 3 putts have gone from 5% to 7% in that same stretch.  
    My selection to test the Garsen MAX came the same day I had scheduled a switch to a super soft oversize at my proshop. Serendipity?  The only exposure I had to Garsen prior to this test was checking out Tony Finau’s bright green grip with his logo during the Dell WGC this year and learning that Garsen had quite a few wins on the PGA and LPGA tours.  I did not focus on the three grip selections, as I wasn’t considering a grip change until very recently.  
     
    I am changing my gamer, an Odyssey EXO7 to the Garsen MAX.  I want to see if my hand and elbow integrity improves with this new grip.   I am going to have the new grip installed with air so I can swap out to the Ultimate and QUAD Tour without cutting the grips off.  I’ve been a stats guy since I collected baseball cards as a kid.  I plan to log my results with the current EXO7 grip and the MAX as follows:
    5 rounds each at my home track, pacing off each putt and logging makes, misses, break direction and short, left or right on the misses.  Home putting mat performance from 4 and 8 feet. Putting green testing from 5, 10, 15, 20 and 25 feet, logging the same as I do during the rounds I play. Reducing my average putts from 32 and making more inside 10 feet while improving my hand and arm integrity will assure the Garsen MAX stays in the bag.
    Garsen MAX Putter Review
    Thank you very much to MGS and to Garsen Golf for the opportunity to review the Garsen MAX putter grip.  This is the first opportunity I have had to review any products through the MGS Forum since I joined in October 2021.  Admittedly, I didn’t finish my profile until mid last year so I feel fortunate to be testing within a few months of completing my profile and becoming qualified to be a tester.  
    I was pumped to be chosen for the Garsen MAX putter grip test as I had just decided to switch to an oversized putter grip.  The timing was perfect for me.

    One of the tag lines on the Garsen Golf website for the MAX is “The fastest way to make more putts.”  Others include: “Innovation with a twist.” “This simple, yet effective, grip innovation is the fastest way to immediately improve your putting.”
    I was intrigued to say the least. 
     
    Unboxing: (6 of 10)
    After a quick email exchange with Kyle from Garsen Golf to choose colors and arrange delivery, Garsen sent a package of three different putter grips.  The Quad TOUR, The Ultimate and The MAX arrived on May 9th in a simple packing envelope with a nice letter from Bernard Garsen, President, CEO and Founder of Garsen Golf along with two Garsen Putter Grip stickers.  Each grip was wrapped in cellophane and delivered in the colors I requested. 
    The Quad Tour comes in Black in either tapered or non-tapered.  I selected the tapered version.  I’m a Michigan State alum so I had to choose Green for The Ultimate.  The Ultimate also comes in Black or Blue.  The Max is available in White, Blue or Red. I chose the Red as it also has Black Chevrons and White lettering.  These are the colors of my two grandsons middle school teams.  My review is focused on The MAX  but I will install each of the others later this month and submit individual reviews of The Quad TOUR and The Ultimate later this summer. 

    First Impressions (18 of 20)
    The Garsen MAX has alternating Red and Black Chevron style markings that appear to help with hand alignment.  The MAX is standard length and is oversized but not massively so. The most obvious difference on the MAX from other putter grips is it’s RIB which extends top to bottom and bisects the left and right sides of the grip.   I liked the looks  and the initial feel of the MAX but was very curious as to how it would feel on my putter and if the RIB would be helpful or would it hinder my putting grip and putting stroke.  

    Aesthetics (10 of 10)
    To say the Garsen MAX grip is unique is an understatement.  The RIB grabbed my attention immediately as it extends right down the centerline of the grip.  The White MAX logo is on either side of the RIB just below the very top of the grip.  The Garsen logo is located in the bottom third on the left side of the RIB.  Black and Red Chevrons separate the Red lower section from the Black upper section.  These Chevrons aid in hand placement as I will discuss further.  To quote Billy Crystal,

    Installation
    I elected to replace the original Odyssey EXO7 pistol grip on my gamer with the Garsen MAX.  The install could not have gone smoother. After removing the old grip and cleaning the shaft up, I used a small amount of mineral spirits and slid the MAX on with no issue until it was halfway on.  At that point, I pushed a bit harder and it was done. Easy please, Lemon Sqeezy.
    Feel
    Garsen MAX feels tacky but not so tacky that you would cringe like you would if you saw me wearing some of the outfits that Ian Poulter wears.  I’m a light grip pressure putter and the feel of the MAX is about as perfect for me as it gets.  The MAX is solid but not hard, soft yet substantial.  The material is High Tech PUI so it’s like having no slip traction on the grip.  Being a guy who NEVER even practiced with anything other than a pistol grip in 58 years of playing, I initially wondered if the MAX was something I should even try as the grip fit my hands in a much different way than my pistol grip.
    RIB
    The most unusual element of the MAX technology is the RIB. The RIB extends top to bottom and is visible while gripping the putter. Although it’s noticeable, I was surprised that the RIB was not a distraction, rather I found it to be a guide to hand placement.  
    My hands fit on the sides of the RIB and I align my left thumb with the Black Chevron and the pad of my right thumb to the right side of that same Chevron.  The MAX enables me to put a bit of pressure on the grip with my thumbs enabling me to keep my wrists in a more “locked and upright position” to quote every flight attendant I ever flew with.  
    Taper
    MAX has a slight taper of approximately one quarter inch from top to bottom.  
     
    Tale of the Tape
                         Garsen MAX              Odyssey Pistol
    Diameter   1.5 inches                  1.0 inch                        
    Length       10.25 inches             10 inches                 
    Weight       55 grams                   69 grams                
    Core Size   .600                           .580
    My History
    I have struggled through the putting YIPs for the past 2 + years.  I don’t freeze over the putt, my right hand and elbow simply flare out during my through stroke.  This results in putts being pulled wildly left, shoved way right and often stopping woefully short as a my putter face contact is inconsistent.  I also lose my posture during these YIPs and sometimes, even my lower body moves.  I have no idea when this will occur so it’s not something I can wait out or take a few extra practice strokes to alleviate.  The YIPs seemed to occur 2-3 times a round, resulting in 3 and sometimes 4 putt greens.  I would do this on 2-50 foot putts.  It’s a terrible thing.  
    I tried left hand low, changing putters, pencil grip, even a long putter.  Nothing worked.  What I had not done was change putter grips. That’s why when the opportunity to review the Garsen MAX came along, I jumped in.  
    The Garsen Golf website stases:
    “…the MAX  places your hands in a position so the palms are in a neutral position.  It turns your elbows into your body and sets your shoulders back.  This relieves arm and shoulder tension, inhibits wrist action which takes “the hands out of putting” and promotes shoulder rotation creating a solid putting stroke which will give you a one-piece feel, leading to a more consistent stroke.”
    I WANT THAT!!!!!!!!⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
    My pistol grip 

    My MAX grip

    The Numbers and My Testing (20 of 20)
    My 2022 GHIN putting stats

    My 2023 GHIN putting stats YTD

    The YTD putting stats were prior to my testing efforts.
    As I began to think of how to evaluate and review a putter grip change, I settled on trying to find comparable tests to evaluate both on and off course. Would I see if the Garsen MAX lived up to the tag line of “The fastest way to make more putts.”? 

    My approach was to evaluate on 3 different tests with a large enough sample size to convince myself that the results were real where each test was a fair evaluation and not subject to a halo effect of trying something new and wanting it to be better.
    Test 1
    Indoor testing was done using my 9 foot putting mat and a perfect putt target consisting of 60 putts from 5 feet and 60 putts from 8 feet for both the Pistol and MAX grips.  I completed 10 each at a time from each distance with a 5 minute break in between to reduce the likelihood of being in a groove. So this test was 120 putts for each grip.
     

    My make rate indoors combined from 5 and 8 feet using the pistol grip was 54%.  I made 65 of 120 attempts and missed primarily due to pulled putts going left.  I left 8% short from 8 feet. 
    My make rate indoors combined from 5 and 8 feet using the Garsen MAX was 78%.  I made 94 of 120 attempts and  my misses were split equally left and right.  I left 0 of the 120 putts short using the MAX.
    These results were quite surprising as I made nearly 30 more putts with the MAX, an increase of 45%.  

    Test 2
    Outdoor testing was on the putting green at my home course, Denton  Country Club.  I putted early a.m. to assure no disruptions due to other players using the practice green.  I putted 60 putts with each grip installed.  12 putts from distances of 5, 10, 15, 20 and 25 feet for a total of 120 putts.  These putts were as straight as I could find.  All were uphill slightly and the STIMP readings for these days was 10.5.

    Test 2 was more challenging as the distances increased and lines varied more than indoors. It was difficult finding straight putts over 15 feet on DCC’s relatively small practice green.
    My make rate with the Odyssey grip outdoors was 35% across all distances combined while my make rate with the Garsen Max was 52% for the same distances.
    While similar at under 10 feet, my make rate over 10 feet with the MAX was double that of the Odyssey: 21 Vs. 11.  
    My short misses with the Odyssey we’re nearly double the MAX short misses: 11 to 7.  I kept the putts more to the high side of the hole with the MAX which positively increased my make rate. 

     

    My GHIN numbers for 2022 and 2023 YTD pre MAX testing are summarized as follows:
    2022
    115 rounds 32.8 ppr 23% 1 putt, 72% 2 putt, 5% 3+  

    2023  
    45 rounds 32.5 ppr 26% 1 putt, 67% 2 putt, 7% 3+
     
    Test 3 (20 of 20) 
    On  course testing.  Where the rubber meets the road. Where the chickens come home to roost.  

    I played 5 rounds with each grip at my home track and walked off every putt I had during those rounds, no gimmies.  I recorded the distances on the scorecard for every putt so I noted each putt on each hole and total feet of putts per hole.  I also recorded low, high and short.  

    So how did I do and more importantly, how did the Garsen MAX do vs. the Odyssey pistol grip?
    Odyssey
    Round 1      33 putts                                                            
    Round 2     34 putts                                                                
    Round 3     34 putts                                                                 
    Round 4     31 putts                                                                    
    Round 5     32 putts                                                                     
    Total          164 putts                                                              
    Average   32.8 putts                                  
    Avg 1 putt: 3.0 2 putt: 12.4. 3 putt 2.6     
    Proximity to hole on 1st putt: 14.3 feet.  
    Range 1-45 feet    
    Pretty much like I have putted for the past 2+ years.
    MAX
    Round 1       27 putts                                                        
    Round 2      29 putts                                                      
    Round 3      30 putts                                                       
    Round 4      26 putts (lowest 18 hole putt count ever)    
    Round 5      33 putts (12 first putts over 22 feet)           
    Total          145 putts                                                         
    Average      29 putts
    Avg 1 putt: 6.8, Avg 2 putt: 7.6 Avg 3 putt: 0.8          
    Proximity to hole on 1st putt: 14.9 feet.  
    Range 2-65 feet
    Results
    Garsen MAX out performed the Odyssey pistol grip by a wide margin
    1 putts rose from 15 to 34 in 5 rounds                                
    3 putts dropped from 13 to 4 in 5 rounds
    Strokes Gained Putting                                                                  
    In 5 rounds I gained 3.8 strokes putting using the Garsen MAX putter grip.  My total YIPs in 5 rounds with the Odyssey was 9.  I had a single YIP with the MAX in round 1 and none thereafter. Two of my four 3 putts with the MAX came in round 5 where my 1st putts were 42 and 65 feet from the flag.
    How do I explain this improvement? My PUTTING grip changed with the PUTTER grip.  The statements on the Garsen Golf website rang true for me:
    My hands are on the side of the putter.                                  
    My palms face each other.                                                      
    My wrists are more neutral.                                                     
    My elbows are closer to my body.                                            
    My shoulders are back.                                                            
    My shoulder rotation is more consistent.                              
    My distance control is better.
    Simply put, I hit more solid putts.  My putter head sits more level to the ground as the grip changes have me more upright and closer to the ball. I make better contact closer to the sweet-spot.  My misses are closer to the hole.  More putts are getting to the hole and more putts are on the high side.  
    The Garsen MAX, specifically the RIB and the oversize technologies completely changed my technique and stroke for the better.  The new technique has resulted in better outcomes.  The better outcomes have led to higher confidence.  
     
    The Garsen MAX grip has been shockingly positive for me and has far exceeded any expectations I might have had.
    Will the MAX stay in the bag? (20 of 20)
    Absolutely yes!  
    Let me quote Eric Clapton, my favorite artist of all time:  “It’s in the way that you use it.  Boy don’t you know.  Don’t you ever confuse it. Don’t let it go.”  
    The MAX has found a home in my bag and will be tough to remove.  
    When I joined MGS I listed my strength as Driving the ball.  I am still a strong driver.  However I don’t believe any driver can improve my game by 3.8 strokes gained.  If I had the MAX in my bag and with these results when I joined MGS I would have proudly claimed putting as my biggest strength.
     
    Overall  (94 of 100)
     

     
     
     
     
     
      
     
     
     
     
     
                               

     

     
     
     
     
     
     
     


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    Ben,
    I had the same issue when I first transitioned off of blades to Ping S58s.  I looked down and saw shovels. Our minds do things we can’t explain, but after a few rounds, it’s easier to accept especially if the results are there.
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    Although this post/thread is more on a personal note it does in a sense apply to all of the Forum Staff. 
    Today marks the 1 year mark since being named as the Forum Directory. A position I am extremely proud to be in and am so grateful to have been put in charge to help lead this community. However this could not have been done alone, we have an amazing staff that work so hard in the background and in truth do more than I think anyone could imagine to keep the community moving forward, bringing new ideas and helping with all the other forum stuff. 
    There had been a good amount of turnover within the forum staff and having the stability of this group has made a world of a difference. 
    So before I go forward I want to thank them.
    @GolfSpy BOS - you were the first new hire since I came on as a Mod and have taken on so many things and been an incredible addition to our leadership group. Thank you for stepping up and helping drive this community forward. 
    @GolfSpy TCB - Thank you for bringing all your ideas to the table and being a fresh voice within our group. It is always appreciated and required. The MGSVCT is a clear hit and has added so much to the forum. It has been a pleasure to see it take off in the sense that it has. 
    @GolfSpy SAM - The life of the party? Your humor, participation and activity as well as helping lead the community calls has been so much fun and a huge additive to the forum. 
    @GolfSpy_BNG - The classifieds section, fantasy sports and a lot more. You bring a ton to the forum which many may not realize at first. You have been a fantastic addition to the forum and we are all truly appreciative of the work and efforts you put forth.
    @Golfspy_CG2 - As much as you try to retire or step back, you are always here and getting sucked back it. Not sure we have enough words to type to thank you for the efforts you put forth. You have so many insights and history on the forum that this place would truly not be the same without you.
    There is no question the forum went through a downturn for a while there. However we got very fortunate as a new COO was named for MGS and he has (not at all that others at HQ havent been) allowed us to really take the forum in a way we saw best fit. In our first meeting with him he said something that has stuck with me. He said he didnt care about what happened in the past or what had been done right or wrong prior, but wanted us to move forward with fresh light and not look back. 
    We have taken this heart and worked to drive all areas on the forum. 
    Some of these areas are
    - Member Testing - a record number of tests this season, a record number of participants and reviews being posted!
    - MGSVCT - What a cool addition to the forum. Special events, weekly championships and a whole lot more! We do also secretly hope we can find a way that members can achieve official handicaps through our VCT, however that could still be a ways down the road. Oh and Bag Tags!
    - Classifieds - New system, cleaner look, better method for searching and more. Still working on it taking off, but we are very happy with this platform. 
    - Group Buys - So far just the Jones bag, but we may have something else coming your way. 
    - Community Calls - One of my favourites and something I am so happy we started. 
    - Course Reviews - Another which hasnt taken off, but happy to so all the new reviews there!
    - Newsletter Updates and Upgrades - Get Forum Content every weekday and has definitely helped drive more users to the forum. 
    - Forum Content on the main site! - This one I am just thrilled about. Period.
    - Forum Socials - This we have actually handed over to HQ to handle and we hope that it will take big steps forward as we move forward. 
    And more. 
    This last year truthfully on the forum has been one of the busiest years period. Participation is up, activity and engagement levels are way up and we have seen so many new members on the forum that simply makes me smile. 
    This year has also been, in truth, so so much work and I am so happy for it! The amount of nights I have been up till 1am or later doing work whether front end or back end has been countless, but when we see the excitement for membership and the shock when we release tests or just the overall growth of community it all makes it worth while. As much as this is really a job and work, it really isnt. For me I am proud of what we as a community have done this past year and how we have banded together to bring the forum from where it was a year ago to where we are today. This has not been a solo effort and not even just a staff effort, however the whole community. So a big shout out to all of you who have stuck with us and provided feedback or taken part in anything on the forum. We have this community because of you. 
    I am so happy to celebrate 1 year as the lead on the forum and am so excited continue in this role driving the forum forward and ensuring that we continue to stay true to our roots of being a community. 
    I could go on a lot longer, and may in future responses in this thread, but just a big thank you to HQ for putting me in this position, to the membership for sticking by us and the staff for contributing how you have and supporting me over this last year. 
    One year down and a whole lot more to come!
     
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    Take care of yourself.  Golf can wait for the medical ok.  I am playing less due to the excessive heat in TX and playing only as early as I can to avoid the heat. I am also drinking as much H2O as I can ou there.
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    Caddie1966 reacted to GolfSpy_KFT in What/How Did You Practice Today?   
    Played 5 holes last night in the evening with my boys and had some solid ball striking. First hole was predictably terrible with zero warm up swings  but then bogey'd every ensuing hole and left two long par putts (35+ feet) 2 inches short. Long drive of 274 yards with TSi3 and ended up in a greenside bunker on a Par 4 where you can cut the corner and take about 40 yards off the hole. Carried two fairway bunkers, where I typically end up in the second, and rolled into that greenside bunker. So was probably a 255-260 yard carry. Hit some solid iron approaches as well. Was a really nice evening and hoping to do it again Saturday evening with my wife this time as well. 
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    Caddie1966 reacted to CSiders12 in What/How Did You Practice Today?   
    I didn't practice today, but I got my wife to practice! She asked if we could go to the range and work on the game. That is just music to my ears!! She is just getting into the game, so it's hard to keep her positive when she isn't hitting many good shots. We worked on ball position, weight distribution, and not sliding the hips in the backswing. I don't think she sees it, but by the end of the session, she looked way better swinging the club. Excited to go on this journey with her and watch her improve. Proud husband. 
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    Caddie1966 reacted to GolfSpy_BEN in What/How Did You Practice Today?   
    I stopped in at the course down the road from the office today at lunch, intent on playing a quick 9 holes, before heading back to work to finish out the day. However, there must have been an outing because they said nope, can’t get you on today. Bummer. So I adjusted my target slightly and settled for 100 balls at the driving range. Started with PW and worked my way club by club through my irons. I am working toward an updated gapping, as I’ve changed irons a couple times this summer, for a variety of reasons. Hit a handful of Drivers, then decided to do a combine on the MLM just to check in on the state of my game through the prism of the launch monitor. The results were encouraging:

    my targets were 127 yds with the PW, 153 yds with the 8i, and obviously Driver. As my handicap currently sits at 4.3, according to the MLM I am practicing at a higher level. As an aside, this is the highest score I have recorded on a combine. So I got that going for me.
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    Take care of yourself.  Golf can wait for the medical ok.  I am playing less due to the excessive heat in TX and playing only as early as I can to avoid the heat. I am also drinking as much H2O as I can ou there.
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