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    MsWalkrOfSky got a reaction from USMCSnyper in Shot Scope X5 - GPS watch with club sensors   
    Note: Any edits will be added in Georgia, a different font, with corrections instead being bolded. I will also highlight them this lovely blue color.
     
    Note: This review is now somewhat out of date. There have been significant software changes that have improved the user experience. I'll hopefully enough course time and general time to update this review to get it current with the software. I'll likely have to rewrite entire sections for increased clarity on the changes; I'll bump the post when I get it up to date. For now, as it is not updated yet, I'll refrain from bumping.
    About the Golfer
    I’ve been playing golf seriously for about two years. The first year was pretty slow, but we started lessons about midway through the year and that ramped up our play a lot. Before that, I grew up playing with my grandpa and other family randomly in the summer for fun, never really trying to get better. I went to a golf camp when I was young, but that was the extent of my official instruction. 
    I’m sitting at around a 27 handicap at the moment. My handicap calculation is a bit off, as it’s a mix of slope and rating for women and men, as a lot of the courses don’t have any tees rated for women besides the most forward ones. I’m considering going for an official one sometime this year, as I do want to start competing once I feel ready, as I’m a competitor at heart and have a long sports background.
    As for what I do besides golf, I’m a competitively oriented gamer, business systems analyst by day, pc builder, DnD loving (though **** WoTC, Pinkertons, really???) all around nerd. Hell, the nerd part is one of the biggest reasons I wanted the X5, I cannot wait to dig into my golf stats and run some analysis myself!
    Why the Shot Scope X5?
    I have a terrible memory. So bad that I considered getting a clicker when I first started playing again, as I could barely keep my score on a hole. Because of this, I am suspicious about all my beliefs about my game, from my average distances to where I actually need to improve. Looking into the options, I preferred a system that didn’t have a monthly fee, would automatically track it for me, and had decent stats. Shot Scope seemed like the best option that fit these criteria. I was going to get a V3, but the sexiness of the new shiny X5 drew me in and I pulled the trigger!


     
    Unboxing and Setup
    And boy is it gorgeous! I absolutely love the look and feel of this watch. The strap is high quality, with a lot of flexibility built in. I’ve not felt like it was a weak strap at any point. The watch face itself looks beautiful. I did have some strange plastic stuck in the side as seen in the second picture above, but I just kept digging at it with a finger nail and eventually got it all out.
    The initial pairing process was relatively smooth. It had a few firmware updates, and it was good to go. I then went ahead and added all the local courses, as well as a couple courses that I plan to play soon. The app said they were all already mapped, and I was excited for my first round.
    I have a pretty old Fitbit Blaze as my daily driver watch, which I’m actually continuing to wear for now. I like its sleep info and the fact that it tracks my exercises, otherwise I’d wear the X5 all the time. Any comments I make about touch screen experience and general feel are compared to the Fitbit Blaze.
     
    First Experience on the Course
    I had watched a video when I ordered the X5 on how to set up at the course. Considering it took most of the month to get to me, I really should have refreshed my memory before getting out on the course. It was a gorgeous evening, and I headed out to the local executive course with my partner. I figured it would be a good starting point, as the course is shorter than average and most people don’t expect a fast round. I spent about 2 minutes on the first tee futzing around with it to get the round started, which I consider relatively quick for not remembering how to do it at all. It wasn’t until I got to the first green that I remembered something about a manual putting mode. I looked it up and I would have had to set that up before the round. I really had no clue how the non-manual mode worked and was quite confused. As I walked off the green, it prompted me for the pin position with a nice little vibration. I went back and grabbed it, looked down, was confused why it had the wrong score, entered the right score, and went on. Here’s where I ran into the first feature I wish the shot scope had. It defaults to assuming you have two putts on each hole. It then assumes you make par on every hole. I just told you how many putts I had, and you’ve been tracking the clubs I’ve used. Why would it not default to the score that it thinks I got? I found the decision not to do this incredibly strange, but perhaps it has to do with the way the watch tracks data.
    I didn’t really use the distance to hazards function on this round, but did try it in my future rounds. It was helpful in some places, but I occasionally pull out my phone to find a line and distance for doglegs with water.
    The rest of the round was relatively smooth. I know that course like the back of my hand, and having the distances right on my wrist was a major convenience. I compared the distances to 18 birdies on my phone for the first few holes, and they both tended to match. I was unsure how penalties would be handled, but remembered that editing was required after the round, rather than during. I had some misplaced confidence regarding my ability to do that…
    Editing my first round
    After spending a few minutes trying to figure out how to end my round, I started out trying to edit my shots on my phone on the way home. I found the app incredibly unresponsive. Every time I tried to move shots around, edit shots, etc, nothing I did seem to work quite right. I became very frustrated, and bullheadedly kept going on the drive home (I wasn’t driving). When I got home, I hopped on my computer and went digging for a video. Shout out to Andy’s Golf Blog (insert link here to youtube channel) for having my back with this 30 minute detailed breakdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9-AzPTVCDA Having experimented a bit more with the app since, you unintuitively cannot drag your shots around. This really threw me off and frustrated me, because I initially thought I had dragged one and it was just being as unresponsive as the watch. I still prefer the desktop, especially when I have to insert extra shots. You also cannot change where a penalty shot went after adding it; if you hit your drive into the woods on the right, I haven't found a way to drag that over to the woods except on desktop.
    After switching to the desktop application, the experience became significantly smoother. I would definitely not say that it was intuitive to navigate; the video definitely helped me sort out the occasionally strange UI design choices. The video also said that the experience on the mobile version of the dashboard is not the recommended one at this time and to avoid using it, which I wholeheartedly agree with. The dashboard was much smoother than the mobile app, and it was a lot easier to place the shots exactly where they needed to go. The course I played did not have any tees built into the app already, so I added the tees and edited the pars for each hole, as many of them were incorrect. This was mildly tedious, but this executive course had just changed ownership, and it is definitely one of the smaller courses around here, so I was hopeful that other courses would have the tees pre-built. The course isn’t rated, so I didn’t bother with a stroke index on each hole. I added a few penalties, corrected a club that was incorrectly identified, added a missing shot or two, added the positional tag to a punch shot or two to prevent them messing up my stats, and finished up my first edit. Since this edit, it's worth noting that I have now learned in the comments what the positional shot is for. It's for any shot that you are not trying to hit the green. So on par 5s, tag every lay up with positional, tag your 3 off the tee with positional, etc. First tee shots by default are positional.
     

    I excitedly went to dig into my stats! I had heard you could compare shots gained and lost to different handicaps and was really looking forward to this! I was quite sad to find out that 25 was the highest the handicap went for comparison; this means that I would struggle to recommend this to someone that is higher handicap. It’s not that the data isn’t useful anymore, it just is really rough to see almost all strokes lost and no strokes gained anywhere on your stats. For my first round, you can see my results compared to a 25 HDCP below:

    It marked my approaches as my biggest problem area for this round. What I found strange was the marking of the number of shots for each of these areas. It said I had 38 putts, when I clearly only had 19? 4 tee shots when I had only 2 on the par 4s? Apparently, for 9 holes it doubles your number of shots to assume 18 played for its calculations. I wish it mentioned that somewhere, but I realized it quickly enough that it wasn’t a problem, just a head scratcher. My approach shots strokes gained was atrocious compared to what I expected, but once I found what they defined as an approach shot it made more sense. “Approach shot: Any shot that is taken from outwith of 50 yards to the pin and is not the tee shot. Par 3 tee shots are also considered approach shots in your stats.” Since I was playing mostly Par 3s and had a couple very bad shots off the tee, this stat began to make more sense to me. I also don’t know how accurate the gained vs lost really is here, as I don’t have a slope and rating for the course to calculate the course handicap.
     
    Here are the stats on my first 18 hole round, still not using manual putting mode:

    This is actually pretty close to my expectations from my game. I'm a long driver off the tee, and my chips tend to be really good. My putting is godawful, so this makes sense, though I actually was really happy with my putting in general in this round.
     
    Editing in general after four rounds
    Editing has many places where the experience could be improved. Right now, you cannot change the number for a shot. If you need to add a shot, you select the club, add a shot, then click on the map where you want it to go. It then makes an assumption of what shot number it is based on where on the map it is. This can be quite off at times, with no good way to fix it. I had a bunker that took me two attempts to get out of. It only detected the first attempt, and every time I tried to add the shot, it assumed that I putt back into the bunker. I ended up having to drag around different shots to put things in the correct order and change the clubs all around. Having an option to just change the order of the shots would greatly improve that part of the experience.
    I did sort out editing on my phone for my fourth round; I had a fundamental misunderstanding that you would be able to drag the location of shots around. You can only adjust them using the directional arrows when you select a shot. Still, I think desktop is significantly easier. 
    You remember my misplaced confidence on my ability to edit? Well, I really, really struggled to edit without taking notes. One of the biggest reasons I struggled is that at the end of each hole, it asks how many putts you had and what your score was. When I go into the dashboard, all the scores are equal to the number of hits detected plus putts inputted. It is extremely irritating to keep track of the score all round, but not actually have a viable score at the end of the round. The number shown on the scoring screen at the end of the round, as confirmed by Shot Scope’s documentation, is the number of swings detected plus putts. So at no point is the score displayed for you other than how over par you are, and once you synchronize the round, it is no longer on the watch. This makes knowing what your score was and correctly editing a full round close to impossible for me without basically keeping score and taking notes on penalties and hits that were very close together, like my sand shot from earlier. I was really hoping to keep to using mostly one device, especially on courses that I know. At the moment, the Shot Scope X5 just does not perform to the level needed to be the only recording device I use for my round, even on my most played courses. For my fourth round, I basically went back to 18 birdies for my score recording in addition to the occasional notes; this worked much better for me.
    Other than these gripes, editing has gotten smoother to do with practice. I did my 18 hole round relatively quickly on the way home, with only one hole having a heads scratcher (it didn't detect a chip, and I couldn't remember if I went off the back, front, or side of the green, so I put it on the side. I feel like the editing interface has a lot of room to improve, but it does it job at the moment.
     
    Assorted issues I’ve run into 
    On starting my third round, I noticed it wasn’t tracking my clubs. For some reason, even though I believed I had set it up the same way I had the previous times, I had somehow gotten score keeping and gps, but not club tracking. After the first hole, I ended the round and restarted the round. It worked that time. I was able to go in after the round and add the first hole back in, estimating where my shots went based on the notes I took when I realized what had happened.
    My fourth round it took forever and a couple resets to get the gps to connect and the course to load. Luckily, it was already backed up before we got there, so we were waiting anyway.
    The touch screen has been incredibly unresponsive to a disappointing level. Doing anything but tapping on it is always an exercise in frustration and patience, with swipe after swipe resulting in mistaken taps or non-detection. It takes me multiple attempts to unlock it out on the course most of the time. It has led me to not use the hazard distances as often as I should. I’m probably going to switch fully to using the dials as much as possible. See the video at the bottom of this section.
    Shot detection when you don’t do a practice swing is iffy for chips and shorter shots in general. It struggles to detect bunker shots at all, probably due to the lack of a practice swing. It also occasionally just misses clubs completely that you did a full shot for, so I have no clue what’s happening there.
    I had an instance where the watch refused to connect to my phone in any way after a round, requiring a restart of the device.
    When I played a 9 hole course for 18, it did do a good job of combining the 9s into a full 18 round. However, it for some reason switched the shots on hole 1 and hole 10. I then had to tediously transcribe all the shots for each of those holes to try to get them back.
    At the end of the video, not shown is the fact that the watch locked up entirely, resulting in the last 2 holes being put on a different round. I then had to manually transcribe each shot to the actual round. Really, really wish they had a copy and paste ability for holes.

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    Positives
    I’ve discussed a lot of the negatives of this product. Mainly because the issues I ran into I wasn't really expecting, as I hadn’t really seen many people talk in detail about them.
    The lack of a subscription fee – this is a huge plus to me. Software will update and change over time still, but I’ve spent the money I need to spend on this product.
    Accurately gauging distances – the GPS has functioned basically perfectly for me. I never felt like the range was off, and it matched with the markers on the course whenever I checked.
    Ease of use on the course – once I got going, using the device on the course was relatively simple. I’m going to enable manual putting for future rounds, as I noticed automatic putt tracking is not very accurate. This may change the ease of use, but for now, it's really simple.
    Actually getting the data – I would heavily struggle to capture every shot without a device like this; having to take notes on the complicated times is within my bailiwick and not having to manually measure every shot and input the club each time is a massive boon. I would not gain this data without a product like this one. In combination with taking a note or two any hole where something weird happens, I feel like all the data I get is accurate enough to be useful.
    Battery life – the battery life has been fantastic so far. I've had no issues here other than not finding a quick and easy way to check remaining battery; plugging it in is the only way I've found so far.
    Sensors – the sensors went on the club easily and fit very snuggly. They fade into the background and I already don't notice them at all.
    Display quality – the brightness and crispness of the display is very nice. 
    Speed – the watch turns on almost instantly, so keeping it turned off before a round isn’t an issue for me.
    Manual Putting Mode
    I finally gave manual putting mode a try. It messed up for the first two holes entirely, then was actually really good the rest of the round. I felt like it was a lot more accurate as long as I remembered to hit the button. Sadly, the touch screen being unresponsive was a massive annoyance here, as tapping would result in no shot being added. Pretty sure I can press the button though, which I've remembered in retrospect and will switch to for future rounds. 
    After the first 9 of me playing a 9 hole for 18, it randomly forgot I had manual putting mode on for some reason (maybe because I turned off scoring?). Then it had the crash when I played with the touch screen for the video, and when it came back and I restarted the round, the manual putting was back.
    Overall Rating As of three 9 hole rounds and one 18 hole round
    Usability – 6/10
    After another 18, knocking usability down further due to how inconsistent the watch has been in general – 5/10
    Reliability – 8/10
    Statistics – 9/10
    Looks – 10/10
    Comfort – 10/10
    TLDR:
    The majority of my issues with the X5 are with the usability. The UI, the shot editing, score tracking, the touch screen wonkiness, all of these combined leave me hoping that they make major strides in what they choose to update in the software for the future. Overall, it does do what it advertises: provide an adequate GPS watch and shot tracking, at a significantly cheaper price point than most of it's competitors. I'm happy with the purchase, and would choose to buy it again now that I know it's quirks. 

     
    Statistics and Results
    There are some different breakdowns in the app. I'll share some screenshots of the most useful ones to me.

    With this, I have confirmed that I should definitely be aiming right down the middle, with my occasional slice right or push/snap hook left. Not all the ones that went right or left were full misses, some were just pushes that were right near the fairway.

    I struggle to get to the green at times, or a end up chunking a shot that should get there. Finding out how often I miss short has already led to me clubbing up in places I wouldn't have before.
    There are a decent number of graphs for short game, but frankly, my short game is not good enough for some of the metrics. Up/Down percentage for me by club does show I should probably be putting off the green more, but I hate putting off the green and only do it when I'm right on the edge, so there's definitely some bias there.
    I don't trust any of the putting statistics without manual mode. I wish there was a way to eliminate just the putting data when I turn on manual mode without going in and setting each putt to be ignored.
    Before I received the X5, I went ahead and wrote up the estimates for what I think performance distance averages will be for each club, as well as my maximum distances I’ve measured if I’ve measured one. I thought it would be a good exercise in what belief is vs empirical data. I'll update this again after a total of 180 holes, or if I significantly change out my bag. I've discovered that I probably need to get better at my iron striking in general, as my 7 iron, my most practiced iron, is averaging significantly further than I expected so far. It doesn't seem to capture any lob wedge data so far. I've also only hit some clubs, like my 5 iron and my 3-wood once in the last 45 holes. Estimated Performance Average is my guess, the actual is from my X5. I'm pretty happy with my guestimates, and feel that I generally had a feel on my most used clubs. Some clubs need more data to round out, like my multiple bad 6 iron shots. Overall, capturing this data was really helpful for me, and I'm looking forward to playing more golf just to gather more of it!
     

     

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    MsWalkrOfSky got a reaction from Wayne Kivi in First lesson of the season!   
    I had my first lesson of the season today. It's always disheartening to hear that you've managed to bork your grip for months. When I had my first lesson, I had a very in the palm grip. Over the winter, I lost my bead on where I was supposed to be gripping and had the club entirely in my fingers of my left hand. It was forcing me to work my wrist quite hard to get square at impact. Just the grip change alone fixed a lot of my issues, but I feel like I'll have to re-learn some clubs all over again.
    My coach had three drills that I'm going to be working on at the range:
    The first is a body power drill, where you hit balls without allowing yourself to take the club above the waist as hard as you can. This is to focus on the fact that power is coming from the body, not the arms. Hitting these can feel weird, and the goal is to really not take it too far back. It might have even been slightly under waist level.
    The second is a drill that forces you to keep your right shoulder down instead of standing up on the ball. You put your left hand at the very bottom of your grip, and the right hand then grabs the club shaft. This really forces you to keep your shoulder down to make contact. This is done with a full swing.
    The third drill was a wedge drill. I used my pitching wedge. He picked out a target about 40 to 50 yards away, and had us focus on maintaining forward shaft lean. The ball should be coming out relatively low and fast. I found that for me, squeezing my core gently as I initiated the swing helped a lot with keeping my forward lean position through the downswing. This was taken at a little under a half swing for me with the pwedge, and about a 3/4 swing for my sw.
    Another big part of my lesson was working on driving. I have a very bad habit of coming down at the ball, causing a slice. My coach is working with me to get the motion to be more of an in-to-out draw motion. He put an alignment stick for my feet, another going diagonally to the right where the tee was, and a third planted in the ground where if I came over the top and outside to inside, I'd hit the stick. I managed to not hit the stick the whole time!
    Our warmup drill was rather fun and worth trying if you haven't. Place an alignment stick for your feet aimed a target out on the range. Then, walk about 8 feet in front of where you put the alignment stick and plan another in the ground. Make sure it is exactly on the path between the one on the ground and the target. Then, try to hit balls that start right of the stick, but end at the target on the range. We did this with a half swing, to really focus on club path. We also did this with the body power drill.
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    MsWalkrOfSky got a reaction from kiran in What League(s) are you joining or a part of?   
    What league(s) are you joining or already a part of? What's your favorite part of your league, or if you haven't joined it yet, what are you looking forward to most? How important is the competition part of a league to you?
     
    I'll start 🙂 I'm planning to join a league that starts May 5th. It's a women only league on a Tuesday night every other week that only plays 3 holes, 2 person scramble style (pairings made by staff). It's $20, which feels a bit steep to me, but it comes with a glass of wine, seltzer, or a beer afterwards. I'm really looking forward to getting to know some other women who play, as right now, my partner and I are pretty much the only women in my life that play golf at all. I also like that it's not an every week event, and they do signups for each one individually, so you aren't pressured to go every single time. For this league, competition isn't super important to me, but I'd love to do a more competitive league someday!
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    MsWalkrOfSky got a reaction from VernL4 in SEASON 2 - WEEK 20 MGS Forum Member Weekly Virtual Championship Tour (VCT)   
    Date 08/19/2023 Course Name Rea Park Golf Course Gross Score 80 Course Handicap 22 Gross Strokes over/under par 8 Net Score to Par -14 Net Score 58 Net Birdies or better 16 Longest Drive 301 This week has been an adventure, with some of the lowest lows, and the highest highs. I'm writing this partly because I think I need to put my words down on the page and get some emotions out in general, and you all get to share in it if you want. If you want to just hear about my best round ever, skip to the golf section labeled Round of My Life. I'll probably post this somewhere not in this thread as well, but figured I'd might as well include it with this insane round.
    My grandpa has been sick for a long time now, and on hospice for a few months. This Thursday, he passed away in the early morning. He and I weren't super close as adults, but as a kid, he was amazing. We had a language barrier (he had a heavy Latvian accent), but I loved the hell out of him and enjoyed being around him. His wife died four years ago now; I think he was definitely ready.
    Needless to say, I basically spent Thursday and Friday in a depressive state, not really having motivation to get up and do anything, losing myself into Baldur's Gate 3 and escaping life as hard as I could. I had already agreed to help someone move in to their college dorm on Saturday, so I knew I had to get up and go do something that day. I decided I'd go play a round of 9 at Mark's, and just walk, take my time, and enjoy the outdoors. I technically really needed to get back to my swingspeed training too; I’d let it lapse in light of what had happened. I wanted to stop escaping one way, and dive into golf for a bit instead. 
    Golf Section
    I played my first 9 abysmally. My coach had had me make 3 swing changes in the last week. All of them were for the better, but sorting them out was rough. First, he said the right words for compression to just make sense for me, and I started compressing the ball properly with my irons. He had me widen my stance for now to try to teach my body to stop swaying while turning. And finally, basically since I've met him, he's had me keep my right elbow tucked in to my side. When I first got with him, I never got my elbow back in on the downswing, while taking it way off plane in the backswing, resulting in a MASSIVE out to in swing, where the only reason I was squaring the face was that I was just coordinated enough to do almost all the heavy lifting in the downswing... most of the time. Okay, some of the time, there's a reason I went for lessons. On this lesson, he told me to go ahead and let the elbow off the side in the backswing, and try to get some height at the top of the backswing.
    Needless to say, these three changes combined have drastically changed my club distances, even with stock swings that aren't as hard as I can swing at the ball. My 7 iron is my best ball striking club, as it's the one I tend to use for drills. It was my 135 to 145 club before these changes, with occasional fliers out to 160, but nothing reliable. Now, I'd say it's probably my 160 to 170 club, with one off the tee that went 200 yards (what the actual hell???)!

    I spent that first 9 basically trying to figure out how to play golf again. My irons have a strong tendency to pull to the left now that I'm trying to figure out how to fix still (probably just need to wait till my lesson), but it's relatively consistent, and not such a massive pull that it's crazy off line. 
    I only ever intended to play 9. But that relaxing first 9 was so nice, such a nice escape, that after eating at the clubhouse, I decided to go ahead and play another 9. That 9 went much better, and now that I actually look at the score, I think it was the best I've shot on the back 9 there. I shot a total of +27, with the first 9 being +18. 
    The second 9, my driver got hot. And I mean, FIRE HOT. Hole 16 is a par 4 that you're meant to lay up heavily on; there is a narrow gap in the trees that as a righty, almost requires you to either hit a straight bullet, or a solid draw to get through. Even laying up, I often have difficulty on this hole and getting through the gap. I love to occasionally smash driver to see if I can slip it through the gap, often sailing off into the woods on the right side, or hitting the tree on the top of the hill before the green and seeing the ball again. I didn't GPS the shot at the time, because I just didn't think of it... but here's where my ball ended up on the drive:
     

     

    About 270 yards, and I bounced on the right side and ended up over the green. I've managed to hit this green ONCE in all the times I've played this course. I hit a bullet straight there, and was ecstatic. But it could have just been a one time fluke right?


    And this I hit this one on 18. I decided, I have to play more today. I've never done 36 holes in a day, and with the driver this hot, I wanted to play the hardest course in the area, the one I'm likely to play the most for the Match Play, Hulman Links. However, when I got there, after hopping in my car and not even taking off my golf shoes, they had an outing that was ongoing. I was super sad, as I really wanted to take a driver that was hitting longer than I've ever hit, while also going basically straight and in play the majority of the time by far, to a course that had eaten dozens of balls from me. Alas, it was not meant to be. So, after hemming and hawing on if I wanted to really push for doing this, I headed to Rea Park, which is basically what I'd consider my home course at this point. I’m not going to lie, the thought, playing 36 holes is a good reason to not do my swing speed training right? Lol. 
    With the red tees at 5,219 yards, I'm a bit long for this course, but none of the other tees are rated for women, and I wanted a handicap eligible round that I could potentially go low. And boy, did I manage to do just that.
    Round of My Life
    I got my cart and hopped on the first tee. It's a 230 Yard Par 4. My stock driver had officially outpaced this hole, so pulled out my trusty 9 wood, hoping to pipe one down the middle and have a little 30 yard chip to the green. Instead, I pulled my 9 wood left (a common theme that day for most of my clubs), and watched it bounce into what looked like the next fairway over. I started looking for it, and it didn't seem to be where I expected at all. I drive a bit further up, and low and behold, I'm 50 yards left of the green, and pin high. Furthest 9 wood I'd ever hit. I butchered my pitch shot from the bad lie and put it over the green. Chipped back and over the green again. Chipped on with a fantastic chip, and tapped in for bogey. I kept my head in the game though and managed to par the next two holes, including getting a tough up and down on the par 3 (which I normally hit a 7 or 8 on, and I believe I hit a 9, which felt so weird, but I was pin high). 
    4 there was a foursome in front of me, who politely offered to let me play through. I cranked a drive and it went left. WAY left. I drive over there and start looking for my ball. After a minute or two of not seeing it, I drive back to the fairway where the guys are waiting, and tell them to go ahead and finish the hole, so I don’t hold them up while I look. I didn’t want to feel pressured to just drop a ball and go on, the ball was definitely in play and findable. Sure enough, I found it not even a minute after I drove back over there, way further than I expected. I’d hit my drive 284! My longest drive without wind assistance I’d ever hit! I then butchered the hole for double, but was still happy I found the ball and didn’t blow the hole up entirely.

    5 has a water/waste area that requires a 270 yard carry to clear, or you can land in a narrow strip of fairway. The foursome was in the fairway I just vacated, so off I went. I decided to hit driver and go for it; I then of course hit a terrible drive that goes way right. I managed to get a double from there and moved on.
    The next two holes I played solid bogey golf, nothing too memorable other than driving pretty close on 6 and then duffing the first chip. I’m trying to chip from 80 yards and in if the ground is clear, which at Rea, it almost always is; I’m not great at judging which club to use and how much power just yet, but I’m getting there.
    Hole 8 is an evil par 5. Only 403 yards for me, but the tiny green sits on top of a 12 foot tall mound, and these greens are pretty slick for a muni. I hit a solid drive 266 yards a bit to the right of the fairway, get decently close with my next shot, manage to stick the first chip on, and happily take my two-putt par.

    On hole 9 I waited for a minute or two for the woman that appeared in front of me to finish the hole, and cranked out a 270 yard drive with a beautiful baby fade to the left side of the fairway. Got my chip on the green and walked away with my two-putt par happily.
    I ended the front 9 at 43, a +7. I was pumped; this tied my best front 9 at Rea that I’d shot the last time I was out. On that round, I fell apart on the back a bit on a few holes, and shot a 53, ending the round having failed to achieve my break 90 objective with a 94.
    I’d finished the front 9 in 53 minutes, another record of sorts, and rushed by the clubhouse, eager to dive into the back 9. I waited for a bit for the woman in front of me to get on the green, and hit a massive bomb of a drive, 277 baby fade again, same place as 9. I hit an amazing chip, and sank the birdie putt.

    The woman in front of me was waiting at the white tees; there was a foursome in front of her that was making a bit of a hack of things, hitting extra balls, etc. They didn’t offer to let her play through when they were at the tees with her. She asked if I wanted to join her for the back 9, and I accepted, a bit reluctantly. I was in a groove, playing out of my mind, having great mental, having a fantastic time, and part of me wanted to just stick with what was working and not introduce other variables. However, I don’t often get to play with women who aren’t my partner (and by often, other than my sister and mother, I don’t think I’ve gotten to), so I decided to play with her, at least for this hole. In retrospect, this was a fantastic decision; I don’t think I would have believed my own back 9 if I didn’t have a witness!
    I hit an okay drive on 11, bit right and in the rough. The lie was good though, and with 250 yards to the hole, I decided to try to keep my irons out of play and hit my 3 wood. That club is either completely awful for me, or fine, and historically, I should just never touch the damn thing. But I was feeling aggressive after the birdie on the last hole, and I was feeling confident from the changes that my swing had undergone. I hit a beautiful shot to about 20 feet short of the green. I then hit a fantastic chip to 2 feet and tapped my birdie in.
    I talked to the guys in front of us about playing through, who were still on the tee at the time. I got a, “Oh God, yes, please play through” when I asked; I think it was 1 guy trying to teach golf to his 3 drunk mates, just caught up in their own shenanigans lol. They looked like they were having a great time 🙂 
    12 was great drive, a good chip, and an annoying three-putt bogey. I followed it up by sticking the edge of the green on the par 3 number 13, and having another annoying three-putt bogey. I was happy though about getting the distance right with my irons on the par 3, so it was with good spirits I went to hole 13. Hole 13 is one of the few holes on the course that has OB that is in play off the tee; I’d blown this hole up the last time I played by shanking it left… the direction I’d gone multiple times with my drive that day. I hit a safe 9 wood straight down the middle, hit another shot just short of the green, and got a nice up and down for par, with a relatively decent length putt. I remember my playing partner, who was a really nice older woman, asking if it was my longest putt of the day, and I couldn’t remember for sure, but it probably was. I really wish I could remember her name; I’m horrible with names, and even repeating it multiple times in my head, forgot it by the end of the first hole we played together; just not enough brain space I guess with golf and the things I’d shoved to the very back of my mind.
    Hole 15. Holy %$&^. I had the wind at my back, and I made perfect contact with the ball on my drive with all the power I had. The hole is 281 to the center, 298 to the back. It looked like it was going a bit left to my eyes, but I didn’t see it come down. My playing partner said she was relatively sure she saw something bounce on the green, but that couldn’t be right to me, as I definitely saw it going a bit left. But sure enough, as we pulled up to the green, I see my drive perched just in the rough on the back of the green. I’d hit my longest drive ever, with wind or without wind, 301 yards. I’d broken the 300 barrier for the first time, and I was ecstatic. The green is a bit of a toughie, sloping down towards the fairway. I didn’t want to chip way past the hole, and hit a pretty bad chip with 60 that just did not roll down the hill L. I then two putt from there for par. Still quite happy with that, as the last time I drove a green that was that far away (290 yard drive, with a ton of wind), it went…. Very badly. Double bogey badly. Lol.
    I was pumped going into 16, a big dogleg right par 5. I’d had a lot of success on this hole before, and was excited for it. Hit a big long drive that I didn’t cut over the leg when I guess I should have, but that’s fine, it was just in the rough and I had a clear shot at the green. I shanked the crap out of my next shot, with it spiraling left and looking like it might actually be OB. I sighed, and hit a provisional that was almost as bad, a massive fat that flew maybe twenty yards forward into the fairway. Following the rule that if you haven’t gotten to where your first ball is, the provisional is the one in play, I went ahead and hit a decent shot to just left of the green. I then went looking for the first ball, desperate to find it. Sure enough, I found it under a tree in some mulch in OB. I hit a terrible shot over the green, chipped onto the green, and two-putt for bogey, relieved that the disaster had been averted.
    17 is a 180 yard par 3, downhill, with a green that has a massive back to front slope as a backstop. I had no clue what club to hit; previously, I never really knew what to hit here, as my 4 iron wasn’t consistent, and my 9 wood had the potential to be too long. With the changes, I went ahead and grabbed my 6 and hoped for the best. I hit a thinned 6 iron that actually ended on the green! I managed to get my two-putt on the difficult green from there, with the second putt being a scary one for sure!
    Hole 18. It was time to finish things up. A 340 yard par 4. I stepped up to the tee, and hit a picture perfect drive, 274 yards, dead straight down the middle.

    As I got in the cart, it was at this point that I became curious how I was doing on the back. I knew I’d been playing pretty well, but I try to not think too much about my score while playing. I look at my card on the cart, birdie, birdie, bogey, bogey, okay that’s even… and the rest are pars and one bogey???? WHAT??? I’M SITTING AT +1?? HOW???
    And then the freakout began. I just bombed my last drive to 67 yards to the middle of the green, and was driving up sitting at +1 for 9, and I just had to get the ball in the hole in 3 strokes to have shot the best round of 9 I’ve ever shot by far. I wasn’t even thinking about the possibility of getting to even; my headspace was entirely around keeping the hole from blowing up and destroying the miracle I’d managed. I pulled out a 7 iron to try to do a nice little chip to the green; the last thing I wanted to do was shank my SW and have a really hard shot from rough or a bunker or something. I babied the 7i chip too much, and was left with a 20 yard chip. Now a little scared, I decided to just pull out my 52, which had been my best club to chip with all day. I didn’t give it enough, and was at the bottom of the green, while the pin was 25 feet uphill. My dream of getting a par died at that point in my head, but I was relieved that all I had to do was two putt and I’d have managed to not destroy the hole.
    I stepped up the ball at the green, did my routine, marking, cleaning the ball, placing, reading the green… uphill, looked slightly right to left, but at that distance, I knew my aim didn’t matter that much, as my skill is just not that high with reading those kind of distances and my aim isn’t fantastic. So I stepped up, gauged the distance as best I could in my practice swings, and gave the ball a nice whack up the hill. I then stood there, dumbfounded, as the ball began to track towards the hole. Surely not. There’s no way this goes in, is there? My jaw drops as the ball finds its home for the last time in the best round of my life. I could not believe it. Thinking back on that moment now, I still can’t believe it. I’d shot +1 in 9, +8 total, at a course that I broke 100 on for the first time at the start of this year. I’d just played my first 36 holes in a single day ever, and the second round was the best round of my life.
    My playing partner finished up, I got her to sign my card and joked with her as she attributed my score to her presence, which frankly, I’m not going to deny the benefits it had. Playing with someone else had me slow down on some shots, take my time more, and distracted me entirely from my score until 18. I sat in my cart in front of the club house, shaking a bit, called my partner and shared/celebrated the insane news, which she assured me in text later that she definitely isn’t even a little jealous 😄 lol.
    Scorecard



     
    I’d planned on eating dinner with my parents, remaining grandparents, and one of my younger siblings, so I gave my dad a call. He was in the middle of something and couldn’t chat, but let me know to head on over. I dilly dallied with 18 birdies, sitting there, absorbing what I’d done. I then looked at my scorecard, freaked out a bit because my brain told me I’d shot +2, definitely not +1, and I must have made a mistake and I got a bogey on 18. My brain conveniently deleted the putt from existence during this freakout. I got as far as trying to edit the score and maybe reaching out to support to fix the score so it would be correct, before my brain kicked back in with the fact that I did in fact have a one-putt on 18, not a two-putt. And it was a 25 footer. And it was epic. Face. Palm. My ADHD brain can be evil sometimes.
    I got in my van to drive home, and as I pulled out of the parking lot, I realized that I hadn’t thought of my grandpa the entire time I was on the course. I’d truly lost myself in the golf. I teared up some driving to my parents while I reflected on the good times I’d shared with him. It’s really weird how things happen sometimes; if it weren’t for my grief, I wouldn’t have probably played more than 9 holes that day. I may have gotten this score someday, but it wouldn’t have been yesterday.
    Today, I’m going out to play Hulman Links today with my remaining grandpa, the man who got me in to golf originally. I actually am leaving in like 20 minutes (writing this took a while). He’s in good health, but up there in age. I’m going to enjoy the time I have remaining with him, knowing that it can’t be forever.
    Grandpa Modris, I love you, I miss you, and saying goodbye is hard. As I sit here typing this, crying, I know that every time I think of this golf achievement, I’ll think of you, and I’ll miss you every time. Rest in peace. Say hi to Grandma Sara for me.    
     
     
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    I love a nice old fashioned at the end of a round. Sipping away sitting on the patio is a lovely way to end the day.
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    For me, it's still more about how long I can keep a ball in play and keep finding it versus the time it takes for it to become scuffed or cut on the cover. However, I have determined that the Kirkland balls are garbage for durability; definitely cheaper and probably good for me, as I'm still losing them, but sometimes it only takes a single wedge strike to damage the cover. I've had the cover be scuffed like crazy after a single hole without hitting a cart path or tree. It's generally worth it for me though with the price to performance. I don't need it to last super long. I did play one for an entire 18 once, first ball I kept through 18 holes since I started playing again. It was pretty damn scuffed by the end.
    In contrast, the one time I played a new ProV1, it made it through 8 holes without a single mark or scuff before I winged it OB on the 18th hole. I've switched to Vice Pros recently, and I've been really happy with the durability of them. Definitely notice the drop in spin rate compared to the Kirklands at the executive course I play a lot, but they just last and feel great off the driver.  
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    For me, it's still more about how long I can keep a ball in play and keep finding it versus the time it takes for it to become scuffed or cut on the cover. However, I have determined that the Kirkland balls are garbage for durability; definitely cheaper and probably good for me, as I'm still losing them, but sometimes it only takes a single wedge strike to damage the cover. I've had the cover be scuffed like crazy after a single hole without hitting a cart path or tree. It's generally worth it for me though with the price to performance. I don't need it to last super long. I did play one for an entire 18 once, first ball I kept through 18 holes since I started playing again. It was pretty damn scuffed by the end.
    In contrast, the one time I played a new ProV1, it made it through 8 holes without a single mark or scuff before I winged it OB on the 18th hole. I've switched to Vice Pros recently, and I've been really happy with the durability of them. Definitely notice the drop in spin rate compared to the Kirklands at the executive course I play a lot, but they just last and feel great off the driver.  
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    I've now posted my final review! You can check it out here: 
    Sorry for the late post everyone, it took me a while to make it through the testing period, and then life got in the way, as it loves to do!
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    I've now posted my final review! You can check it out here: 
    Sorry for the late post everyone, it took me a while to make it through the testing period, and then life got in the way, as it loves to do!
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    Introduction
    Hiya everyone! A quick TLDR is at the bottom of this section. My name is Lucy, I’m 31 years old from Terre Haute, Indiana. I’m a business systems analyst for my day job, and I’m ecstatic to have been selected to test a product with data driven results like the SuperSpeed Training System. As for what I do besides golf, I’m a competitively oriented gamer, pc builder, DnD loving all around nerd. I’m also working on designing a custom campaign for the Stargate SG-1 RPG system at the moment.

    My Golf Background
    I played golf for most of my childhood with my grandpa; I went to a camp with some instruction when I was small, but obviously that degraded, and I ended up with a pretty rough swing. As I got older, I got priced out of golf for years. It wasn’t a huge priority to me, as golf was the fun sport I played with family, not one of my “main” sports. I was relatively athletic all the way up until college, playing sports year around like soccer, diving, tumbling, pole vaulting, etc. However, I hit my college years and became quite inactive and… Ya. I still ate like I played soccer 5 times a week. In 2021, I looked into golf again, dragging my partner Robyn with me by pointing out we’d walk like 6 miles (at first, she was heavily skeptical about even the possibility she’d like golf, she showed me this when it came out saying hey, it’s me the first time we went golfing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auQ3iIj75QU), though we played fairly sparingly that year. In 2022 we played consistently 1-3x/week throughout the season and started taking lessons halfway through the year. 

    My Fitness Journey
    Starting about 2019, I began a concerted effort to get my weight down. As of today, I’m 5’9” and weigh 162lbs, with a total weight loss of 77lbs from when I started tracking. 
    As far as my current fitness level, my cardio could be better, but I hate cardio and haven’t really done much. I started lifting again about 9 weeks ago 3 times a week with a personal trainer for 8 of those weeks to get me started in a way that didn’t damage my body. I started the 5/3/1 for beginners program last week and it has been brutal but satisfying. I may be going down to a program oriented towards twice a week during this review. I’m fairly flexible, and do yoga off and on when free classes come up. It’s satisfying, as a year ago, I struggled with a lot of the flows and now I can crank out almost all of the ones that come up in class (crow pose is unfair, and I still did it for like 5 seconds, don’t @ me).

    Why I golf
    I absolutely love getting out onto the course and being outside again. I didn’t really do anything outside for a long time before I got back into golf. The fact that golf also ticks my competitive side, making me want to constantly strive to improve, to develop, to learn more, to do more… Enjoying the outdoors, working and developing an impossible to perfect skill set, while spending quality time with my favorite person in the world? All while knowing I can do it for the rest of my life? How could I not love golf?

    My Current Golf Game
    I’m still mainly walking, and I’ve switched from 5,800 to 6,300 yard tees to 5,000 to 5,500 yard tees when a rating is available on them, throwing my long driving ego to the side in favor of having way more fun! My handicap is from 18Birdies, and is a mix of men’s and women’s tees, as I sometimes play on tees that aren’t rated for women at all. 

    I’ve dropped my HDCP from 30 at the very end of last year (got to 30 thanks to a vacation round where I played lights out, breaking 100 for the first time, on a course that definitely should have eaten me for breakfast) to 25.9 now. My favorite executive course isn’t rated (soon they say, soon), so a lot of my rounds don’t contribute to HDCP at the moment. My trend in score at the moment is between 95 to 115, with my best round being a 92 on a wide open course that I can’t lose my ball on unless it’s a dramatically bad hit…… I definitely lost two balls the time I went there before the 92. In 9 holes. Bleh.

    Club Specifics
    When my normal driver swing is as correct as I can manage at the moment, my swing speed is around 95. When I try to let it rip and let my form degrade (I swing way too much with my arms and too fast in my backswing), my swing speed is 105. These are my measurements taken this past weekend at a local golf store before receiving the SuperSpeed equipment.

    Good Drive traced.mp4 My best part of the game is either my chipping or my driving, depending on the day. Some days, my iron game is on point, and others I dread pulling out any iron. My putting is absolutely abysmal; on average over the course of 6 rounds, I putt at a -5 strokes gained compared to 25 HDCP, with a recent 9 hole being at -8. Putting is definitely where I need to put in some hours; I really struggle to do putting practice, as I find it incredibly under-stimulating and boring. 

    Chip Shot-1.m4v Distance wise, I hit my pitching wedge for 100 yards, 6 iron for 150 yards, and my 9 wood for 190-200 yards. If you want more details, see my unofficial ongoing review of the ShotScope X5 here:  
    I believe my distances may quickly and dramatically change in the near future, as my first lesson of the year fixed my grip (again, but now getting it out of the fingers instead of into them at all, oh boy!). I’ve played one 9 hole since the lesson and had one range day, and managed to finally get swinging with the left arm in to out to click; I now am hitting constant snap hooks with my driver, as my coach has wanted me to do since he started working with me. Unsurprisingly, with the swing and grip changes made, my 9 hole was a bit of a disaster, so we’ll see how it changes going forward (the lesson tomorrow cannot come soon enough).

    Par 5 Birdie Video-1.m4v  
     SuperSpeed Training Program Goals
    My main goal with the SuperSpeed Training Program is to increase my swing speed while increasing my driving accuracy. While I’ve always technically been able to torque out a fast club head speed, doing that and hitting the ball well has always been beyond me. I’m hoping that increasing my swing speed will help my control with my longer irons. I also hope that this acts well as assistance exercises for 5/3/1 and helps to build up my general strength, especially my core. I would love for my endurance to increase so that playing back to back days isn’t as rough. I’m looking forward to testing, gathering my data, and seeing the progression over time! 
    If there’s anything specific that someone wants checked out, throw me an @ and I’ll make sure to cover it. Or if you just want to shoot the breeze in the comments with me about games, computers, or DnD, maybe hit me up in a side thread 😊 Or this one, go wild, the mods will reign us in if need be 😄
    TLDR Introduction:
    I currently workout, swing speed around 100 with drives around 240, getting better at golf, handicap 26 and falling, my goal with SuperSpeed is to increase accuracy while increasing swing speed, and have been playing regularly for about two and a half years.
     
    Initial Impressions and Driver Swing Speed Averages
    My equipment actually arrived a few weeks ago. Sadly, I hurt my knee the day after I unboxed and took pictures, so I took a break before getting “official” starting numbers. I did take the PRGR out the day it arrived to get some initial impressions and some not very official testing data (I didn’t do a consistent warm up or anything that could be replicated easily). On that day, I averaged about 103, with a max out of 108. I only bring this up because my break led to some pleasant surprises I’ll get into in a bit.

    The initial branding for the box is solid. I appreciate that they at least don’t gender the box and swing-sticks like they do the options on the website. Side-note: why would you even gender the options on the website? The fact that taking the quiz has an option for gender at the start, then recommends I get the “men’s set” is bonkers to me; if it’s about swing speed and club/shaft used, make it about swing speed and club used, gendered branding is just more weird golf gatekeeping that isn’t necessary and can cause confusion.

    The clubs themselves have a nice weight to them. The grips feel tacky enough, but have some weird discoloration leftover from what I assume is the plastic that will likely go away with use. The shafts look awesome, and the weights themselves having the logo is a nice touch.


    The PRGR feels well constructed. It occasionally has read errors if you really mishit the ball, but not often enough to be an issue. It’s my first launch monitor and using it is actually really fun, even at the range where I can see the ball flight anyway. Having solid numbers right in front of me really helps with feeling when I do something different.

    Initial Numbers

    I clocked way faster than I did before I hurt my knee! With a max of 112 that actually happened more than once, and an average of 109.2, I gained about 6 MPH over where I was a few weeks ago. The first thing I asked myself was how did I do this? I hadn’t worked out, had barely played golf for the last 3 weeks (yes, this was close to torture). My answer was torn between my swing and having time to recover. I’d changed it slightly in both initial setup and theory over the time I wasn’t really playing and trying to heal. I narrowed my stance a bit in order to allow for an easier rotation. My coach is having me work hard on going in to out, as I go back and then come over the top, so it’s all still in progress, but right now, I’m hitting harder than I ever have before!
    My planned workout schedule starts today, 6/20. I’m going to be following the schedule of Tuesday, Friday, Sunday. I’m going to try to hit the range consistently on Tuesdays so that I can get my pre and post training speeds while hitting range balls. I'm looking forward to seeing how much I can gain!
     
    Conclusion/Post-Mortem
    Introduction:
    This fairly lengthy review process has had a lot of ups and downs for me. I fought through injury and pain. I had long gaps in training. I struggled with consistency. With all that being said, I’ve had massive gains from this program. I’ve gone from seeing a max swing speed of 106 to seeing 126 pop up once on the monitor. Even if you are a person who struggles with consistency, who struggles with injury, or struggles with time, I believe this program can provide gains for you based on my experience. Let’s dive into the details. 
    Physical Product: 15/20
    The product itself delivered exactly what was promised. I felt that the sticks themselves were super solid. The grips were at best okay; I took off 3 points for the appearance of the grips and feel of them. I had to wear two gloves while doing the testing due to both the grip and the rigorousness of the testing. I eventually re-gripped them to have bigger grips, as the program was causing my arthritis to flare up. 
    Aesthetically, the product looked nice in the bag and in the hand. I never questioned the durability of it the entire time I used it. I hit the ground slightly on multiple swings and never noticed any damage or issues with it. Re-gripping worked just like with every other club I’ve done. I don’t think durability is any more of an issue with this than any other club in the bag, and I expect it to keep working just fine for many years to come.
    The box it was delivered in was well presented. I felt like I was receiving a high quality product. It didn’t go way over the top in this area either, which I felt would have been out of place for the goals of the product. It didn’t come with any real way to store it besides in the box they came in, but considering I’ll generally need at least my driver with me as well, I don’t consider this a flaw in any way. I will throw out that the only way I’d improve it is by including some cheap leather or cloth headcovers to help reduce sound in the bag and prevent damage to longer clubs; I generally just kept them spread around the bag away from my driver.
    I am docking the last two points for the recommended PRGR launch monitor. While it was really neat to get to use a launch monitor consistently in my practice, I heavily struggled at times to get consistent readings out of it. If it were not for the review, I would have just let the obviously bad data go. Instead, I would redo the swing and hope to get a better read. I once had to hit 15 balls with driver to start with to get 5 good reads; I found this incredibly frustrating at times, and I still don’t believe the data fully for some of my best swings. I saw a 126 that seemed reasonable at the time, but I still worry that it might have been a misread, as I haven’t come close to that mythical number since that day.
     
    Program: 13/20
    The program was… interesting to me. I really liked the concept of swinging right and left handed, and I think that the program got that exactly right. I don’t like feeling unbalanced in my workouts, and I think that if I hadn’t done the opposite-handed swings it would have felt strange. I think that including the opposite-handed swings was a real benefit in a lot of ways, from developing an understanding of how to build a swing for someone that is an instinctive person, to balancing out the workout. I actually hit a few left handed clubs for fun and could make real contact and get surprising amounts of distance. I still need to work up to the driver though if I ever want to try a round that way, I could barely make contact with my wild speed swing.
    Instruction wise, I want to say that they felt like they were clear, and I felt like I really understood them. However, I was doing step swings incorrectly for the first 3 or 4 weeks! I docked 2 points for that because I felt like I tried to understand how I was supposed to be doing the swings, I read their materials, watched the videos, and I still managed to mess that up. I’ll also say, once I switched to the correct way to do it, I genuinely felt like the way I was doing it before made more sense for what I thought it was trying to accomplish; weight transfer forward in the swing.  
    The other 5 points I docked are mainly because the program is difficult to keep up with. When you swing as hard as you can that many times, if you’re at all injury prone (yes, I mean me), you’re likely to cause damage. The instructions specify to swing as fast as possible; even with proper warmup and stretching, this kind of high intensity training can cause damage when you don’t work up to it at all (warming up is not really working up to it). I at different points hurt my hands, my wrist, my ankle, and reinjured my knee. My knee basically hurt the entire time I was doing the program off and on; now that the program is over, I’m hoping it will eventually heal all the way in time for next season.
    I also feel that self-motivation is difficult in this program. I have ADHD, so some of this is definitely on me. Keeping to the program when you have cool golf plans is incredibly difficult, as you know doing the program the night before playing is going to make you sore and tired for golf the next day. I tried on occasion to do the program after my cool plans; I didn’t feel this was very effective, as I was already tired from my round. I think a big factor for making this plan easier if you want to do it is to ensure you have a place to put up a hitting area and net somewhere at your house; I had a place that kind of worked to do it at home but it was uncomfortably tight and I tried to go elsewhere 90% of the time, which meant that the time it took to accomplish the workout went up.
    I’d like to see a two-week (or other shorter than 5 week) introductory period, where the goal isn’t to swing all out; instead, the goal would be to swing at 80 to 90 percent and try to consistently get the same speed every swing. This would allow time for the player to get used to swinging left handed, and ensure that the body is better prepared for the more rigorous training to come. I can see this being unnecessary if you already are hitting a lot of balls and playing a ton of golf, however when you are hitting a bucket of balls or two a week and playing once or twice a week and then add this program to it, you’re probably doubling or tripling the amount of high intensity driver swings you do in a week.  
    Performance: 40/40
    Let’s dive straight into the numbers and graphs first!
    I had an average of 20% increase between the first week first session number and the last week last session numbers. 

    As far as pre and post training driver speeds, I had a lot of variability in an upward trend for the first session. The second session felt very consistent, like I was always around the expected speeds for me, but I never really unlocked more distance during it.

    Now a swing comparison. Here is one of my swings from May back when I was just starting the program.

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    Here is one from July:

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    And here is one from late September at the end of the program:

    Good swing.mp4    
    I’ve had real benefits and gains from this program. I don't think anyone could argue that I haven’t. However, the thing that really gave me the most gains wasn’t a massive increase in muscle strength so much as muscle endurance; for me, there’s a decent chance that the amount of injuries I had prevented this from happening, as it meant that my “10-week program” was instead about 20 to 24 weeks. I think I might have had more muscle gain if I hadn’t had to take so many breaks.
    Focusing entirely on swinging a stick and not hitting a ball allowed a massive amount of experimenting! I think I gained more distance from the knowledge I gained swinging than I did from muscle build up. I did not have a mechanically great swing; I still don’t have one that is that good. However, I now have a significantly better understanding of how to add speed to my swing. I learned how to apply a whipping motion. I learned how to properly extend my backswing. By the end I was trying to practice accelerating through the downswing and was starting to get some good results from that before my latest injury. 
    I was getting consistent lessons once a week the entire summer from a golf pro friend. I think having him on hand and being able to pick his brain on if what I was doing was correct or incorrect helped a lot, and I’d encourage anyone doing this program to get at least a lesson or two during it to check your swing habits and make sure you’re not building bad ones in your training. 
    For anyone that has a higher handicap, I genuinely think that the majority of your gains from a 10-week program will come from knowledge gained. Small changes made over time from swinging a stick instead of hitting a ball, followed by instant feedback that those small changes do increase speed, over 10 weeks, all of that adds up to a lot of knowledge on how to move your body by the end. Without a coach, you still may be adding incorrect things, but your speed will definitely go up if you experiment and try new things. There’s also a lot of consistency in doing the program three times a week that is normally missing from someone with a high handicap.
    Previously, my “gamer” drive was about 220 to 240. I could hit 250 or 260 if I went after it and caught a good one, but those were rare and notable, with a high risk of a slice or a hook. Now, my gamer drive is in the 250 to 270 range, with the ability to push to 280 to 300 with my rare and notable drives. I still have off days where my speed is down, but I’ve had a significant increase in my distance overall. I still slice or hook a decent amount, meaning that taking out the driver on a narrow course is a risk at times, but I also now have a safer drive option; slowing down to my previous swing speeds of around 100 to 105 adds a significant amount of control and reduces the amount of left or right spin I apply.
    Before I did this program, I did some basic workouts for about 8 weeks. I used those 8 weeks to get my body used to working out again and slowly ramped up the weight. I then started 5/3/1, and promptly tweaked my knee doing squats after two weeks. That knee injury plagued me the entire program and still bothers me a bit today. I feel that for building up swing speed, this program is more effective than any weightlifting program if you’re a higher handicap. I can’t comment really on how much it will help for lower handicaps, as that just isn’t my experience with it, and I genuinely think that the results high handicappers get out of this program is significantly different. My partner continued her 5/3/1 the whole summer, also had the lessons all summer, and she didn’t really make major increases in distance for her drive, so with my two data points (please excuse the horrible science), I genuinely think that just doing this program can give you more improvement than just weightlifting.
    I have gained a ton golf wise this season. I’ve shot my lowest score ever, going from a 92 at my local course to an 80. My handicap has dropped from 26 to 22. I’ve learned to compress the ball with my irons this season. And on days my drives are good, I’m now hitting 250 to 270 reliably enough that if clearing water took 235 in the air, I’d go for it every time. I feel I’ve grown a ton as a golfer this year, and the swing speed program was a major part of that journey.
     
    Keep it or Re-Gift? 15/20
    For myself, if I had the option to go back, I don’t believe I would have done the program the way I did. Honestly, writing a review for the program pushed me to continue at times when I really should have instead let myself heal; I’m hoping my knee will recover over the winter, but there’s a chance the injury will follow me the rest of my life. If I were to do this program again, I’d only do it if entirely healthy, and if doing the program caused any pain in joints or other areas, I’d stop it and probably not resume it. I have a bad history of playing through injuries from my days playing soccer, and frankly, this is very much a “me” problem. 
    Even with the hesitancy to do it again, I don’t believe I could give up the knowledge I gained from the program; how to move my body, how to loosen my grip and feel the club whip past my arms, how to add just that bit more of twist to my backswing. It was incredibly valuable, and I’m grateful I had the opportunity to do this. I likely never would have thought to buy such a program, as my drive distance was already very good. 
    That being said, I am taking off 5 points for this section because I would likely not do the program as specifically instructed again if I could go back and do it over. I don’t think I’ll continue the program as it is currently designed next spring. It’s not long term sustainable for me. I feel if I continue it, I’ll make my injuries worse over time, or add new ones. I fought through knee injuries from other things, and my training added hand injuries to go along with it. I had days where I could barely open my hand, leading to pauses while I recovered. I got a lot from this program, and I think that I’ll likely try to create my own model or program using the training tools. Three times a week is just too much for me on top of playing golf and other responsibilities in season, so during the season I’ll likely scale back to their recommended maintenance. I would not recommend anyone start this program during the peak of your golf season; I genuinely think it would be a fantastic offseason tool and I’m going to treat it as such.
    If you’re wondering if you should buy this program, I think that if you answer yes to any of the following, it would be beneficial to you:
    Are you a high handicapper? – yes, just generally a high handicapper, I believe every high handicapper will significantly benefit from this program from knowledge gained alone.
    Are you someone with what you feel is a low drive distance?
    Are you someone who wants to improve their drive mechanics?
    Are you looking for a workout routine that will get your blood pumping, heart rate up, and can improve your golf?
     
    Conclusion 83/100
    I started this journey with a swing speed of around 100, and if I strained with all my might, I could hit 106. I ended with an average swing speed of around 115, with some swings spiking close to or above 120 on my best days. This program definitely can increase your drive distance, and the equipment that is provided for it is a good fit for the job. I would warn people to be wary of continuing this program through minor injury, as the all-in full-power nature of the training can exacerbate injuries. I’d recommend the program to just about anyone that asked me about it as an off-season training tool, but would be hesitant to recommend it during the season. If you’re lucky enough to have a year around season, just know that it is exhausting, difficult, and you’ll need to plan around your sessions for your golf but that it is incredibly rewarding for your efforts.
     
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    I've now posted my final review! You can check it out here: 
    Sorry for the late post everyone, it took me a while to make it through the testing period, and then life got in the way, as it loves to do!
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    MsWalkrOfSky reacted to BKervin in MYGOLFSPY FORUM MEMBER MATCH PLAY EVENT   
    Best of luck!  I hope you play well but remember to have a lot of fun too!
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    MsWalkrOfSky reacted to GolfSpy SAM in MYGOLFSPY FORUM MEMBER MATCH PLAY EVENT   
    Hey, guess what? You're a LEGEND for getting all this done!! 
    Also, I broke 80 for the first time in my life, so I'm not going to let a little thing like getting ABSOLUTELY BURIED by @MsWalkrOfSkyand team ruin my fun 😜
    Congrats to the groups moving on! I'm playing Friday and am available to pinch-hit if anyone needs A GUY WHO IS CAPABALE OF BREAKING 80, Baby!!!
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    Congratulations to @GolfSpy TCB @Tom the Golf Nut @Bohnson and @Mikedb26 with @Shank Aaron!
    Well played team!
    Barbie's Birdie Bandits are disappointed to lose by such a close margin but a win is a win.  @Hasty @glenmore5 @MsWalkrOfSky and @BKervin are tipping our hats to you!

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    I have to give credit to @GolfSpy TCB for scheduling this Match Play event.  The final important Week 3 play finishes on Solheim Cup singles matches, semi-finals play finishes on the Ryder Cup singles matches and that leaves us alone to crown our match play champion the next week.  
    What a great three weeks of golf!
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    MsWalkrOfSky reacted to GolfSpy SAM in SEASON 2 - WEEK 25 MYGOLFSPY FORUM MEMBER WEEKLY VIRTUAL CHAMPIONSHIP TOUR (VCT)   
    So...wow. Lol. You really wanted to put the dagger in this week, eh? Congrats!!! I'm still picking my jaw up off the ground after looking at that front 9 - we've got our work cut out for us, that's for sure.  But hey, who says I can't go out and break 80 this week (for the first time ever)? 😉
    Great, great round!
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    It help when you don't play s*cky golf!
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    MsWalkrOfSky reacted to BKervin in SEASON 2 - WEEK 25 MYGOLFSPY FORUM MEMBER WEEKLY VIRTUAL CHAMPIONSHIP TOUR (VCT)   
    Date 09/20/2023 Course Name Pennhills Club Gross Score 95 Course Handicap 30 Gross Strokes over/under par 24 Net Score to Par -6 Net Score 65 Net Birdies or better 9 Longest Drive 141 VCT Match Play Designate as Week 3 Match Score Well, all I can say is - What a day!!  I have never played this well consistently for almost every shot.  Bad shot - no problem - picked the right club and got out of it.  I've only been below 100 like 3 times before and just barely.  I even had 2 male members in front of me saying "nice shot" "nice drive" "nice putt"!
    I'll take a game like this any day!

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    It looks like Barbie's Birdie Bandits are coming for L.A.B. Results big time!  They've posted two great rounds.  
    Great shooting @MsWalkrOfSky and @BKervin!  Take down that first place team!
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    Date 09/19/2023 Course Name Hulman Links Golf Course Gross Score 101 Course Handicap 31 Gross Strokes over/under par 29 Net Score to Par -2 Net Score 70 Net Birdies or better 9 Longest Drive 0 VCT Match Play Designate as Week 3 Match Score Wow my front nine was absolutely amazing! I felt like I was playing great. However, the back 9 at Hulman is absolutely my worst nightmare: narrow with trees on both sides, as well as strong doglegs that I can't cut due to high trees. My distance means very little on that back nine, and it shows. I still feel like I put up a good showing for match play this week though, which is good 🙂 I also dropped my handicap from 23.7 to 22.1, so definitely a great score! Also, for the record, the greens at Hulman tend to be huge, rolling, and decently quick, leading to a lot of 3 putts, especially when putting from the fringe 😕 

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    Date 09/19/2023 Course Name Hulman Links Golf Course Gross Score 101 Course Handicap 31 Gross Strokes over/under par 29 Net Score to Par -2 Net Score 70 Net Birdies or better 9 Longest Drive 0 VCT Match Play Designate as Week 3 Match Score Wow my front nine was absolutely amazing! I felt like I was playing great. However, the back 9 at Hulman is absolutely my worst nightmare: narrow with trees on both sides, as well as strong doglegs that I can't cut due to high trees. My distance means very little on that back nine, and it shows. I still feel like I put up a good showing for match play this week though, which is good 🙂 I also dropped my handicap from 23.7 to 22.1, so definitely a great score! Also, for the record, the greens at Hulman tend to be huge, rolling, and decently quick, leading to a lot of 3 putts, especially when putting from the fringe 😕 

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    I've updated the review! I added a video of my touch screen woes. I'm going to send it to the company, as when I contacted customer support about it, they asked for one. 
     
    I really wish you could put in your handicap and tell it to use net instead of gross for stats like this. I feel like that would be a useful metric for everyone; how well did I play exactly compared to what my handicap is. I agree with you that at minimum, it should just have a score breakdown up to quintuple bogey or something. 
     
    I actually disagree with this a lot. With higher handicaps, unless you make getting better at golf your second job, manual tracking is a nightmare. Tracking what the hell happened when you hit 10+ shots on a hole is a horrible experience and incredibly demoralizing in a different way than looking at data that has already been put in. As an aside, for people that say after that many you should just pick up, as long as you're keeping pace or the course is slow, I entirely disagree with that philosophy unless it's to maintain mental and keep having fun. Not getting the ball in the hole robs you of the experience you get from playing from a crap location, awkward distances, while frustrated, which are skills every golfer needs to develop.
    I think high handicappers want to just be able to get some fun data to see what misconceptions they have about their game, without putting much effort into figuring it out. Sure, they mostly know that they have a lot to work on and it's not super hard to figure out that it's basically everything. But this data can show when they start actually making improvements that aren't score related. For example, my partner had a fantastic round the most recent time we played. She lowered her handicap by 3 strokes from 45 to 42. She felt like she played well, but didn't realize how well in context of how she played previously. She tried to keep track of some shots, but quickly gave up due to frustration with trying to push her cart and mess around on her phone when she just wanted to be enjoying the pretty course and the nice weather. She would have loved to be able to see what shot decisions and what club choices helped her the most that day, but it's just not in the cards.
    This device is spending money to save time that could be spent enjoying yourself, instead of doing golf homework on and off the course. You could get almost all these metrics for free yourself if you put in the work; manually tracking shots on your phone with gps with a free app then converting the data after a round to spreadsheet form to measure performance. I'd argue if a high handicapper wants data, there is no better way to get it than a system like this, and that data at all levels of golf is incredibly useful, as data doesn't lie to us like we can to ourselves.
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    Introduction
    Hiya everyone! A quick TLDR is at the bottom of this section. My name is Lucy, I’m 31 years old from Terre Haute, Indiana. I’m a business systems analyst for my day job, and I’m ecstatic to have been selected to test a product with data driven results like the SuperSpeed Training System. As for what I do besides golf, I’m a competitively oriented gamer, pc builder, DnD loving all around nerd. I’m also working on designing a custom campaign for the Stargate SG-1 RPG system at the moment.

    My Golf Background
    I played golf for most of my childhood with my grandpa; I went to a camp with some instruction when I was small, but obviously that degraded, and I ended up with a pretty rough swing. As I got older, I got priced out of golf for years. It wasn’t a huge priority to me, as golf was the fun sport I played with family, not one of my “main” sports. I was relatively athletic all the way up until college, playing sports year around like soccer, diving, tumbling, pole vaulting, etc. However, I hit my college years and became quite inactive and… Ya. I still ate like I played soccer 5 times a week. In 2021, I looked into golf again, dragging my partner Robyn with me by pointing out we’d walk like 6 miles (at first, she was heavily skeptical about even the possibility she’d like golf, she showed me this when it came out saying hey, it’s me the first time we went golfing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auQ3iIj75QU), though we played fairly sparingly that year. In 2022 we played consistently 1-3x/week throughout the season and started taking lessons halfway through the year. 

    My Fitness Journey
    Starting about 2019, I began a concerted effort to get my weight down. As of today, I’m 5’9” and weigh 162lbs, with a total weight loss of 77lbs from when I started tracking. 
    As far as my current fitness level, my cardio could be better, but I hate cardio and haven’t really done much. I started lifting again about 9 weeks ago 3 times a week with a personal trainer for 8 of those weeks to get me started in a way that didn’t damage my body. I started the 5/3/1 for beginners program last week and it has been brutal but satisfying. I may be going down to a program oriented towards twice a week during this review. I’m fairly flexible, and do yoga off and on when free classes come up. It’s satisfying, as a year ago, I struggled with a lot of the flows and now I can crank out almost all of the ones that come up in class (crow pose is unfair, and I still did it for like 5 seconds, don’t @ me).

    Why I golf
    I absolutely love getting out onto the course and being outside again. I didn’t really do anything outside for a long time before I got back into golf. The fact that golf also ticks my competitive side, making me want to constantly strive to improve, to develop, to learn more, to do more… Enjoying the outdoors, working and developing an impossible to perfect skill set, while spending quality time with my favorite person in the world? All while knowing I can do it for the rest of my life? How could I not love golf?

    My Current Golf Game
    I’m still mainly walking, and I’ve switched from 5,800 to 6,300 yard tees to 5,000 to 5,500 yard tees when a rating is available on them, throwing my long driving ego to the side in favor of having way more fun! My handicap is from 18Birdies, and is a mix of men’s and women’s tees, as I sometimes play on tees that aren’t rated for women at all. 

    I’ve dropped my HDCP from 30 at the very end of last year (got to 30 thanks to a vacation round where I played lights out, breaking 100 for the first time, on a course that definitely should have eaten me for breakfast) to 25.9 now. My favorite executive course isn’t rated (soon they say, soon), so a lot of my rounds don’t contribute to HDCP at the moment. My trend in score at the moment is between 95 to 115, with my best round being a 92 on a wide open course that I can’t lose my ball on unless it’s a dramatically bad hit…… I definitely lost two balls the time I went there before the 92. In 9 holes. Bleh.

    Club Specifics
    When my normal driver swing is as correct as I can manage at the moment, my swing speed is around 95. When I try to let it rip and let my form degrade (I swing way too much with my arms and too fast in my backswing), my swing speed is 105. These are my measurements taken this past weekend at a local golf store before receiving the SuperSpeed equipment.

    Good Drive traced.mp4 My best part of the game is either my chipping or my driving, depending on the day. Some days, my iron game is on point, and others I dread pulling out any iron. My putting is absolutely abysmal; on average over the course of 6 rounds, I putt at a -5 strokes gained compared to 25 HDCP, with a recent 9 hole being at -8. Putting is definitely where I need to put in some hours; I really struggle to do putting practice, as I find it incredibly under-stimulating and boring. 

    Chip Shot-1.m4v Distance wise, I hit my pitching wedge for 100 yards, 6 iron for 150 yards, and my 9 wood for 190-200 yards. If you want more details, see my unofficial ongoing review of the ShotScope X5 here:  
    I believe my distances may quickly and dramatically change in the near future, as my first lesson of the year fixed my grip (again, but now getting it out of the fingers instead of into them at all, oh boy!). I’ve played one 9 hole since the lesson and had one range day, and managed to finally get swinging with the left arm in to out to click; I now am hitting constant snap hooks with my driver, as my coach has wanted me to do since he started working with me. Unsurprisingly, with the swing and grip changes made, my 9 hole was a bit of a disaster, so we’ll see how it changes going forward (the lesson tomorrow cannot come soon enough).

    Par 5 Birdie Video-1.m4v  
     SuperSpeed Training Program Goals
    My main goal with the SuperSpeed Training Program is to increase my swing speed while increasing my driving accuracy. While I’ve always technically been able to torque out a fast club head speed, doing that and hitting the ball well has always been beyond me. I’m hoping that increasing my swing speed will help my control with my longer irons. I also hope that this acts well as assistance exercises for 5/3/1 and helps to build up my general strength, especially my core. I would love for my endurance to increase so that playing back to back days isn’t as rough. I’m looking forward to testing, gathering my data, and seeing the progression over time! 
    If there’s anything specific that someone wants checked out, throw me an @ and I’ll make sure to cover it. Or if you just want to shoot the breeze in the comments with me about games, computers, or DnD, maybe hit me up in a side thread 😊 Or this one, go wild, the mods will reign us in if need be 😄
    TLDR Introduction:
    I currently workout, swing speed around 100 with drives around 240, getting better at golf, handicap 26 and falling, my goal with SuperSpeed is to increase accuracy while increasing swing speed, and have been playing regularly for about two and a half years.
     
    Initial Impressions and Driver Swing Speed Averages
    My equipment actually arrived a few weeks ago. Sadly, I hurt my knee the day after I unboxed and took pictures, so I took a break before getting “official” starting numbers. I did take the PRGR out the day it arrived to get some initial impressions and some not very official testing data (I didn’t do a consistent warm up or anything that could be replicated easily). On that day, I averaged about 103, with a max out of 108. I only bring this up because my break led to some pleasant surprises I’ll get into in a bit.

    The initial branding for the box is solid. I appreciate that they at least don’t gender the box and swing-sticks like they do the options on the website. Side-note: why would you even gender the options on the website? The fact that taking the quiz has an option for gender at the start, then recommends I get the “men’s set” is bonkers to me; if it’s about swing speed and club/shaft used, make it about swing speed and club used, gendered branding is just more weird golf gatekeeping that isn’t necessary and can cause confusion.

    The clubs themselves have a nice weight to them. The grips feel tacky enough, but have some weird discoloration leftover from what I assume is the plastic that will likely go away with use. The shafts look awesome, and the weights themselves having the logo is a nice touch.


    The PRGR feels well constructed. It occasionally has read errors if you really mishit the ball, but not often enough to be an issue. It’s my first launch monitor and using it is actually really fun, even at the range where I can see the ball flight anyway. Having solid numbers right in front of me really helps with feeling when I do something different.

    Initial Numbers

    I clocked way faster than I did before I hurt my knee! With a max of 112 that actually happened more than once, and an average of 109.2, I gained about 6 MPH over where I was a few weeks ago. The first thing I asked myself was how did I do this? I hadn’t worked out, had barely played golf for the last 3 weeks (yes, this was close to torture). My answer was torn between my swing and having time to recover. I’d changed it slightly in both initial setup and theory over the time I wasn’t really playing and trying to heal. I narrowed my stance a bit in order to allow for an easier rotation. My coach is having me work hard on going in to out, as I go back and then come over the top, so it’s all still in progress, but right now, I’m hitting harder than I ever have before!
    My planned workout schedule starts today, 6/20. I’m going to be following the schedule of Tuesday, Friday, Sunday. I’m going to try to hit the range consistently on Tuesdays so that I can get my pre and post training speeds while hitting range balls. I'm looking forward to seeing how much I can gain!
     
    Conclusion/Post-Mortem
    Introduction:
    This fairly lengthy review process has had a lot of ups and downs for me. I fought through injury and pain. I had long gaps in training. I struggled with consistency. With all that being said, I’ve had massive gains from this program. I’ve gone from seeing a max swing speed of 106 to seeing 126 pop up once on the monitor. Even if you are a person who struggles with consistency, who struggles with injury, or struggles with time, I believe this program can provide gains for you based on my experience. Let’s dive into the details. 
    Physical Product: 15/20
    The product itself delivered exactly what was promised. I felt that the sticks themselves were super solid. The grips were at best okay; I took off 3 points for the appearance of the grips and feel of them. I had to wear two gloves while doing the testing due to both the grip and the rigorousness of the testing. I eventually re-gripped them to have bigger grips, as the program was causing my arthritis to flare up. 
    Aesthetically, the product looked nice in the bag and in the hand. I never questioned the durability of it the entire time I used it. I hit the ground slightly on multiple swings and never noticed any damage or issues with it. Re-gripping worked just like with every other club I’ve done. I don’t think durability is any more of an issue with this than any other club in the bag, and I expect it to keep working just fine for many years to come.
    The box it was delivered in was well presented. I felt like I was receiving a high quality product. It didn’t go way over the top in this area either, which I felt would have been out of place for the goals of the product. It didn’t come with any real way to store it besides in the box they came in, but considering I’ll generally need at least my driver with me as well, I don’t consider this a flaw in any way. I will throw out that the only way I’d improve it is by including some cheap leather or cloth headcovers to help reduce sound in the bag and prevent damage to longer clubs; I generally just kept them spread around the bag away from my driver.
    I am docking the last two points for the recommended PRGR launch monitor. While it was really neat to get to use a launch monitor consistently in my practice, I heavily struggled at times to get consistent readings out of it. If it were not for the review, I would have just let the obviously bad data go. Instead, I would redo the swing and hope to get a better read. I once had to hit 15 balls with driver to start with to get 5 good reads; I found this incredibly frustrating at times, and I still don’t believe the data fully for some of my best swings. I saw a 126 that seemed reasonable at the time, but I still worry that it might have been a misread, as I haven’t come close to that mythical number since that day.
     
    Program: 13/20
    The program was… interesting to me. I really liked the concept of swinging right and left handed, and I think that the program got that exactly right. I don’t like feeling unbalanced in my workouts, and I think that if I hadn’t done the opposite-handed swings it would have felt strange. I think that including the opposite-handed swings was a real benefit in a lot of ways, from developing an understanding of how to build a swing for someone that is an instinctive person, to balancing out the workout. I actually hit a few left handed clubs for fun and could make real contact and get surprising amounts of distance. I still need to work up to the driver though if I ever want to try a round that way, I could barely make contact with my wild speed swing.
    Instruction wise, I want to say that they felt like they were clear, and I felt like I really understood them. However, I was doing step swings incorrectly for the first 3 or 4 weeks! I docked 2 points for that because I felt like I tried to understand how I was supposed to be doing the swings, I read their materials, watched the videos, and I still managed to mess that up. I’ll also say, once I switched to the correct way to do it, I genuinely felt like the way I was doing it before made more sense for what I thought it was trying to accomplish; weight transfer forward in the swing.  
    The other 5 points I docked are mainly because the program is difficult to keep up with. When you swing as hard as you can that many times, if you’re at all injury prone (yes, I mean me), you’re likely to cause damage. The instructions specify to swing as fast as possible; even with proper warmup and stretching, this kind of high intensity training can cause damage when you don’t work up to it at all (warming up is not really working up to it). I at different points hurt my hands, my wrist, my ankle, and reinjured my knee. My knee basically hurt the entire time I was doing the program off and on; now that the program is over, I’m hoping it will eventually heal all the way in time for next season.
    I also feel that self-motivation is difficult in this program. I have ADHD, so some of this is definitely on me. Keeping to the program when you have cool golf plans is incredibly difficult, as you know doing the program the night before playing is going to make you sore and tired for golf the next day. I tried on occasion to do the program after my cool plans; I didn’t feel this was very effective, as I was already tired from my round. I think a big factor for making this plan easier if you want to do it is to ensure you have a place to put up a hitting area and net somewhere at your house; I had a place that kind of worked to do it at home but it was uncomfortably tight and I tried to go elsewhere 90% of the time, which meant that the time it took to accomplish the workout went up.
    I’d like to see a two-week (or other shorter than 5 week) introductory period, where the goal isn’t to swing all out; instead, the goal would be to swing at 80 to 90 percent and try to consistently get the same speed every swing. This would allow time for the player to get used to swinging left handed, and ensure that the body is better prepared for the more rigorous training to come. I can see this being unnecessary if you already are hitting a lot of balls and playing a ton of golf, however when you are hitting a bucket of balls or two a week and playing once or twice a week and then add this program to it, you’re probably doubling or tripling the amount of high intensity driver swings you do in a week.  
    Performance: 40/40
    Let’s dive straight into the numbers and graphs first!
    I had an average of 20% increase between the first week first session number and the last week last session numbers. 

    As far as pre and post training driver speeds, I had a lot of variability in an upward trend for the first session. The second session felt very consistent, like I was always around the expected speeds for me, but I never really unlocked more distance during it.

    Now a swing comparison. Here is one of my swings from May back when I was just starting the program.

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    Here is one from July:

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    And here is one from late September at the end of the program:

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    I’ve had real benefits and gains from this program. I don't think anyone could argue that I haven’t. However, the thing that really gave me the most gains wasn’t a massive increase in muscle strength so much as muscle endurance; for me, there’s a decent chance that the amount of injuries I had prevented this from happening, as it meant that my “10-week program” was instead about 20 to 24 weeks. I think I might have had more muscle gain if I hadn’t had to take so many breaks.
    Focusing entirely on swinging a stick and not hitting a ball allowed a massive amount of experimenting! I think I gained more distance from the knowledge I gained swinging than I did from muscle build up. I did not have a mechanically great swing; I still don’t have one that is that good. However, I now have a significantly better understanding of how to add speed to my swing. I learned how to apply a whipping motion. I learned how to properly extend my backswing. By the end I was trying to practice accelerating through the downswing and was starting to get some good results from that before my latest injury. 
    I was getting consistent lessons once a week the entire summer from a golf pro friend. I think having him on hand and being able to pick his brain on if what I was doing was correct or incorrect helped a lot, and I’d encourage anyone doing this program to get at least a lesson or two during it to check your swing habits and make sure you’re not building bad ones in your training. 
    For anyone that has a higher handicap, I genuinely think that the majority of your gains from a 10-week program will come from knowledge gained. Small changes made over time from swinging a stick instead of hitting a ball, followed by instant feedback that those small changes do increase speed, over 10 weeks, all of that adds up to a lot of knowledge on how to move your body by the end. Without a coach, you still may be adding incorrect things, but your speed will definitely go up if you experiment and try new things. There’s also a lot of consistency in doing the program three times a week that is normally missing from someone with a high handicap.
    Previously, my “gamer” drive was about 220 to 240. I could hit 250 or 260 if I went after it and caught a good one, but those were rare and notable, with a high risk of a slice or a hook. Now, my gamer drive is in the 250 to 270 range, with the ability to push to 280 to 300 with my rare and notable drives. I still have off days where my speed is down, but I’ve had a significant increase in my distance overall. I still slice or hook a decent amount, meaning that taking out the driver on a narrow course is a risk at times, but I also now have a safer drive option; slowing down to my previous swing speeds of around 100 to 105 adds a significant amount of control and reduces the amount of left or right spin I apply.
    Before I did this program, I did some basic workouts for about 8 weeks. I used those 8 weeks to get my body used to working out again and slowly ramped up the weight. I then started 5/3/1, and promptly tweaked my knee doing squats after two weeks. That knee injury plagued me the entire program and still bothers me a bit today. I feel that for building up swing speed, this program is more effective than any weightlifting program if you’re a higher handicap. I can’t comment really on how much it will help for lower handicaps, as that just isn’t my experience with it, and I genuinely think that the results high handicappers get out of this program is significantly different. My partner continued her 5/3/1 the whole summer, also had the lessons all summer, and she didn’t really make major increases in distance for her drive, so with my two data points (please excuse the horrible science), I genuinely think that just doing this program can give you more improvement than just weightlifting.
    I have gained a ton golf wise this season. I’ve shot my lowest score ever, going from a 92 at my local course to an 80. My handicap has dropped from 26 to 22. I’ve learned to compress the ball with my irons this season. And on days my drives are good, I’m now hitting 250 to 270 reliably enough that if clearing water took 235 in the air, I’d go for it every time. I feel I’ve grown a ton as a golfer this year, and the swing speed program was a major part of that journey.
     
    Keep it or Re-Gift? 15/20
    For myself, if I had the option to go back, I don’t believe I would have done the program the way I did. Honestly, writing a review for the program pushed me to continue at times when I really should have instead let myself heal; I’m hoping my knee will recover over the winter, but there’s a chance the injury will follow me the rest of my life. If I were to do this program again, I’d only do it if entirely healthy, and if doing the program caused any pain in joints or other areas, I’d stop it and probably not resume it. I have a bad history of playing through injuries from my days playing soccer, and frankly, this is very much a “me” problem. 
    Even with the hesitancy to do it again, I don’t believe I could give up the knowledge I gained from the program; how to move my body, how to loosen my grip and feel the club whip past my arms, how to add just that bit more of twist to my backswing. It was incredibly valuable, and I’m grateful I had the opportunity to do this. I likely never would have thought to buy such a program, as my drive distance was already very good. 
    That being said, I am taking off 5 points for this section because I would likely not do the program as specifically instructed again if I could go back and do it over. I don’t think I’ll continue the program as it is currently designed next spring. It’s not long term sustainable for me. I feel if I continue it, I’ll make my injuries worse over time, or add new ones. I fought through knee injuries from other things, and my training added hand injuries to go along with it. I had days where I could barely open my hand, leading to pauses while I recovered. I got a lot from this program, and I think that I’ll likely try to create my own model or program using the training tools. Three times a week is just too much for me on top of playing golf and other responsibilities in season, so during the season I’ll likely scale back to their recommended maintenance. I would not recommend anyone start this program during the peak of your golf season; I genuinely think it would be a fantastic offseason tool and I’m going to treat it as such.
    If you’re wondering if you should buy this program, I think that if you answer yes to any of the following, it would be beneficial to you:
    Are you a high handicapper? – yes, just generally a high handicapper, I believe every high handicapper will significantly benefit from this program from knowledge gained alone.
    Are you someone with what you feel is a low drive distance?
    Are you someone who wants to improve their drive mechanics?
    Are you looking for a workout routine that will get your blood pumping, heart rate up, and can improve your golf?
     
    Conclusion 83/100
    I started this journey with a swing speed of around 100, and if I strained with all my might, I could hit 106. I ended with an average swing speed of around 115, with some swings spiking close to or above 120 on my best days. This program definitely can increase your drive distance, and the equipment that is provided for it is a good fit for the job. I would warn people to be wary of continuing this program through minor injury, as the all-in full-power nature of the training can exacerbate injuries. I’d recommend the program to just about anyone that asked me about it as an off-season training tool, but would be hesitant to recommend it during the season. If you’re lucky enough to have a year around season, just know that it is exhausting, difficult, and you’ll need to plan around your sessions for your golf but that it is incredibly rewarding for your efforts.
     
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    MsWalkrOfSky got a reaction from Golf2Much in SEASON 2 - WEEK 24 MYGOLFSPY FORUM MEMBER WEEKLY VIRTUAL CHAMPIONSHIP TOUR (VCT)   
    Date 09/17/2023 Course Name Rea Park Golf Course Gross Score 97 Course Handicap 21 Gross Strokes over/under par 25 Net Score to Par 4 Net Score 76 Net Birdies or better 6 Longest Drive VCT Match Play Designate as Week 2 Match Score Not a great round from me, but first eagle I think since I started recording my scores with an app, so that's pretty awesome! 🙂
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    MsWalkrOfSky got a reaction from Golf2Much in SEASON 2 - WEEK 24 MYGOLFSPY FORUM MEMBER WEEKLY VIRTUAL CHAMPIONSHIP TOUR (VCT)   
    Date 09/17/2023 Course Name Rea Park Golf Course Gross Score 97 Course Handicap 21 Gross Strokes over/under par 25 Net Score to Par 4 Net Score 76 Net Birdies or better 6 Longest Drive 0 VCT Match Play Designate as Week 2 Match Score Not a great round, but I did manage an Eagle for like the first time since I started tracking scores in an app! So that's cool.
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