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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from Rob Person in Pace of play   
    A very emotive subject this.. UK based response here, but have played in US and I think there are some comparables. 
    Firstly, each club needs to understand what is the root cause of the slow play, they need to look at a lot of factors. I don’t think (IMHO) you can just pin it on ‘play ready golf’ (just as an example)… So for me, I’d be looking into several aspects, some thoughts below, which no doubt others can build on. 
    1) Course Set up - I’ve seen numerous examples of where the course set-up is hard, and by that I mean cutting strategy on rough, speed of greens, pin placements etc. Just come of a club champ weekend where it was c. 5 hours a round and we hit maybe a dozen provisionals in the round as trying to keep speed up but looking for balls takes time. Other factors that may help here, removing foliage where you have trees, so you can find ball easily and (try to) recover from trees - whereas rough in tree areas adds more time. 
    2) Players Responsibility - there is a bunch of stuff we as golfers can do better. Ready golf, absolutely, find / play your ball before looking for others (yes where you can). Also, play from the correct tees for your handicaps.  So, I made up with a 2 ball (course was slow) with couple of chap's to one of my courses - one was a 30WHI and other mid 20’s and insisted playing off the tips at nearly 7000 yards, par 71, rated 75.3 and they couldn’t reach fairways on some tee shots - play the right tees gives you much more enjoyment and yes marshals can help here. Be aware of groups in / around you - lose a hole, call through etc…courses could also provide more guidance on WHI ranges for what tees etc..
    3) Look at restricting groups to 3 balls at certain times to keep the course flowing. Or simply more time between tee times (I know one course where the difference is 6 minutes - never gonna work - should be 10mins I reckon)
    4)  half way houses - this is an interesting one, we have 1 on my course, and used properly very good, but far too many times people stop for 15-20mins causing delays and get annoyed when you want to play through… falls under 2 player responsibility really I guess
    There is probably a bunch of stuff that some have mentioned on rules etc, but can’t see those changing tbh, but in your own 4 ball if not a comp or score counting round then yes have fairness in approach to help speed the game up. 
    These are just some quick off top of head thoughts, but too manage this, will be different for each course, so need to understand what the blockers are, take action and have a way to monitor to it to see if works or not..
     
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    OldSchoolFlusher reacted to toncol in Pace of play   
    "I agree, that's my experience in the US.  Yet at many courses in Scotland, the expectation is 3:45, and 3:30 is pretty common, for 4 players all walking.  Course design has an impact, but the attitude of players is also a factor.  The locals just play more efficiently.
    Agree completely.  At my home course I'm pretty happy at 4 hours, even though I like to play faster, and I only begin to complain when it gets over 4:30."
     
    Agree 100% with the above.
    When I'm in Ireland, the pace of play is noticeably quicker, and over there it's regarded as a walking game.  IMO it's mostly to do with the design of the courses.  Over there, tees and greens are relatively close to each other.  Here, they often aren't as many courses are designed with carts in mind.  But, carts are an important element in the financial plan of a course operation, and so they aren't going away unfortunately.  For such courses, 4-4.15 with 10 min intervals is probably the best one could hope for.  There is also a player "attitude" aspect.  Over there, unless it's match play, no-one cares who's "away".  You get to your ball, you check that others aren't in your way or swinging themselves, and you hit and move on.  Even when it is match play which it often is, the issue of whose turn it is usually is only observed on the green.  There's also a sense over there of a player's place in the big picture...people recognize that they have a responsibility to move along.  What we don't do enough of here is coach newer golfers on some of the basics.  Replace your divots, fix pitch marks, when you've already reached double par or whatever, pick up and move along.  We also don't do enough to make sure players play the right tees.  It seems to be an ego thing, wanting to play the "Big Boy" tees.  How shooting 110 from there could be good for your ego is a mystery to me.  One of the best signs I've ever seen...on the wall of a course in SW Ireland  "Your place on the course is behind the group in front of you, NOT in front of the group behind you"
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from TJ Hall in Do You Own A Launch Monitor?   
    I spent (about 18 months ago) a long time researching this as thought that a good unit would help my game / work alongside my coach’s TrackMan. However, was working to a budget, and limited space in UK houses (compared to my time in US) means no indoor simulator option so needed the following 1) key data, 2) portable & rechargable, 3) reliable and 4) work within a £2k (about $3k US side) budget… 
    I looked at Mevo, Mevo Plus, Garmin R10, variety of phone based apps (quickly discounted) and some 2nd hand TrackMan units but again the ongoing costs meant these weren’t affordable. 
    Ended up with the Mevo Plus, and must say absolutely delighted with it. Tested it against the TrackMan with my coach over about 50 shots, across a range of clubs and it was about 98% accurate compared to data on TrackMan, plus I got it at discount meant total cost was £1.5k…
    Have used for gapping, data on specific key technical aspects of the game, plus there is options for creating your own tests (accuracy, distance control etc) in the app suite that came with it and charges in about 2-3 hours and lasts a couple of hours…
    Has really helped my game… some gripes on it though…
    1) have to pay extra for the D Plane set, which is about £900 in the UK - I’d love a monthly subscription option for people to use 
    2) battery has slightly degraded over time, now last about 90mins but you can plug a power pack in if needed
    Other positives
    1) customer service is excellent, have provided feedback on the unit, spoken to regional manager couple of times and the company is really interested in feedback, improving and listening - this tells me the culture is right 
    2) reliability has been excellent - no issues with it - firmware updates simple and have aided accuracy and some different options
    3) camera in the system is ok - but not of quality of Trackman unit but I use a separate app which links (OnForm) and works well… 
    So all in all, really pleased, had my £ worth out of it, still use for gapping and work on the game and links to iPad. 
    Note - I’ve not used indoors only on outdoor range, so can’t comment on capability as simulator but have played the courses on it outdoors and works well…. 
     
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from Wobermeyer in How long do you play a ball before retiring it?   
    For a tournament - new ball every 9 holes… note - a major scuff / launch OOB makes it costly lol… not worried about discolouration (e.g. off a tree which is common for me 😜) though… 
    Non-tournament - use the balls from above, for practice / casual rounds / and finally into the practice ball bag for short game work etc…. 
    I try to buy in bulk to reduce costs, e.g. in UK Titliest just about to launch there buy 3 get 4 dozen promotion… that makes life easier… 
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from tdroma98 in How long do you play a ball before retiring it?   
    For a tournament - new ball every 9 holes… note - a major scuff / launch OOB makes it costly lol… not worried about discolouration (e.g. off a tree which is common for me 😜) though… 
    Non-tournament - use the balls from above, for practice / casual rounds / and finally into the practice ball bag for short game work etc…. 
    I try to buy in bulk to reduce costs, e.g. in UK Titliest just about to launch there buy 3 get 4 dozen promotion… that makes life easier… 
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    OldSchoolFlusher reacted to revkev in How long do you play a ball before retiring it?   
    I was surprised to go this long into the thread before seeing this answer. This would be my answer as well. Tournament or league play I’m opening a new sleeve and only play unblemished golf balls. I will play 18 with the same ball of it stays that way and doesn’t get marked up - I figure if I ever got past the sleeve it doesn’t really matter what ball I’m playing anymore anyway - 😞
     
    I should remind everyone that MGS has contests on this - blemishes or marks do not help - they hurt - once a ball is blemishes it performs differently through the green. I still will play with one like that in casual play but it’s probably not wise because it could a false impression of how I’ve hit a shot. 
     
    One last thing - my league play is every week. People in that league are extremely persnickety about rules which is just fine with me. I always have 2 fresh different numbered balls in my pocket when I play in that league just in case. 
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    OldSchoolFlusher reacted to kovek in How long do you play a ball before retiring it?   
    I often classify balls depending on how damaged/playable they are:
    Scuffed ball -> Use it as practice ball at home / sim Visual marks -> Use it when there's risk to send it OOB New balls -> Use it when there's low risk to lose it
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    OldSchoolFlusher reacted to THE GOLF GUY in How long do you play a ball before retiring it?   
    I have played 2-3 rounds with one not unless I get a blemish  on it , sometimes I change just because I’m not playing well and just for spite . But ,on average one ball per round, especially with the weather warming up .
     
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    OldSchoolFlusher reacted to duckman in How long do you play a ball before retiring it?   
    I wish I could retire golf balls.
    Sadly, I don't have old balls, as I am constantly losing them, so I only have new balls.
    Generally, I might be lucky & have the same ball for say, three 18 hole rounds.
    But, as I'm generally into trouble off the tee, as in, into the trees, I get scuffed balls a lot too, so three rounds is good for me
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from revkev in How long do you play a ball before retiring it?   
    For a tournament - new ball every 9 holes… note - a major scuff / launch OOB makes it costly lol… not worried about discolouration (e.g. off a tree which is common for me 😜) though… 
    Non-tournament - use the balls from above, for practice / casual rounds / and finally into the practice ball bag for short game work etc…. 
    I try to buy in bulk to reduce costs, e.g. in UK Titliest just about to launch there buy 3 get 4 dozen promotion… that makes life easier… 
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from TJ Hall in How long do you play a ball before retiring it?   
    For a tournament - new ball every 9 holes… note - a major scuff / launch OOB makes it costly lol… not worried about discolouration (e.g. off a tree which is common for me 😜) though… 
    Non-tournament - use the balls from above, for practice / casual rounds / and finally into the practice ball bag for short game work etc…. 
    I try to buy in bulk to reduce costs, e.g. in UK Titliest just about to launch there buy 3 get 4 dozen promotion… that makes life easier… 
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from Rob Person in How long do you play a ball before retiring it?   
    For a tournament - new ball every 9 holes… note - a major scuff / launch OOB makes it costly lol… not worried about discolouration (e.g. off a tree which is common for me 😜) though… 
    Non-tournament - use the balls from above, for practice / casual rounds / and finally into the practice ball bag for short game work etc…. 
    I try to buy in bulk to reduce costs, e.g. in UK Titliest just about to launch there buy 3 get 4 dozen promotion… that makes life easier… 
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from Dweed in What Are You Tracking With?   
    I have the ShotScope X5 - tags end of clubs and some simple editing after the round which takes about 10mins to get the data right. 
    Breaks down all areas you could want, and they are always enhancing the software (recently added full hole view). 
    Only gripe is the sensors that screw into the grip extend the club a little, but liveable. 
    Only gripe is that the watch (links to app post round) battery gets 2 rounds max but realistically 1 round uses about 65% of the charge so needs a boost between rounds if playing 36 but does charge quickly.. 
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from jonahwimmer in What putters does everyone use?   
    Scotty’s for me although have a lot in the loft I’ve collected over the years. I flit between these 2… but currently have the Newport in the bag…

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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from CFreddie in What putters does everyone use?   
    Scotty’s for me although have a lot in the loft I’ve collected over the years. I flit between these 2… but currently have the Newport in the bag…

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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from Preeway in What putters does everyone use?   
    Scotty’s for me although have a lot in the loft I’ve collected over the years. I flit between these 2… but currently have the Newport in the bag…

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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from TJ Hall in What putters does everyone use?   
    Scotty’s for me although have a lot in the loft I’ve collected over the years. I flit between these 2… but currently have the Newport in the bag…

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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from TJ Hall in What Are You Tracking With?   
    I have the ShotScope X5 - tags end of clubs and some simple editing after the round which takes about 10mins to get the data right. 
    Breaks down all areas you could want, and they are always enhancing the software (recently added full hole view). 
    Only gripe is the sensors that screw into the grip extend the club a little, but liveable. 
    Only gripe is that the watch (links to app post round) battery gets 2 rounds max but realistically 1 round uses about 65% of the charge so needs a boost between rounds if playing 36 but does charge quickly.. 
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from William P in What Are You Tracking With?   
    I have the ShotScope X5 - tags end of clubs and some simple editing after the round which takes about 10mins to get the data right. 
    Breaks down all areas you could want, and they are always enhancing the software (recently added full hole view). 
    Only gripe is the sensors that screw into the grip extend the club a little, but liveable. 
    Only gripe is that the watch (links to app post round) battery gets 2 rounds max but realistically 1 round uses about 65% of the charge so needs a boost between rounds if playing 36 but does charge quickly.. 
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from Rob Person in Golf bags- stand or cart, and why?   
    I have both to be honest. In the UK we use buggies less than other side of the pond, but more use on electric trolley etc… 

    If only playing few holes, or heavy conditions in winter then tend to carry, tournaments will use trolley as carry more stuff… 
     
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from Preeway in Golf bags- stand or cart, and why?   
    I have both to be honest. In the UK we use buggies less than other side of the pond, but more use on electric trolley etc… 

    If only playing few holes, or heavy conditions in winter then tend to carry, tournaments will use trolley as carry more stuff… 
     
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from Beakbryce in What Is The Most You Would Pay For A Putter?   
    Got me thinking this topic….

    For me, it’s not about the price so much (but does have a bearing) - before I invest in any major piece of kit - I always ask myself - is this particular item going to improve me overnight, or is it more technical and lessons needed… so I use my coach (who luckily has good connections across the trade) for his view as he knows my game…  
    Been stung with impulse buys then having to sell on.. maybe you have a coach / pro friend you can lean on for advice?
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from OdinSnipes414 in Golf Fanatic On Board   
    Welcome….. 👋 
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from Rob Person in Golf Fanatic On Board   
    Welcome….. 👋 
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    OldSchoolFlusher got a reaction from Josh Parker in What Is The Most You Would Pay For A Putter?   
    Got me thinking this topic….

    For me, it’s not about the price so much (but does have a bearing) - before I invest in any major piece of kit - I always ask myself - is this particular item going to improve me overnight, or is it more technical and lessons needed… so I use my coach (who luckily has good connections across the trade) for his view as he knows my game…  
    Been stung with impulse buys then having to sell on.. maybe you have a coach / pro friend you can lean on for advice?
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