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RoverRick

 
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  1. I thought it was manditory to drink beer and play golf. Actually, I may or may not drink a beer while playing golf or I may also drink several while playing. It totally depends on the intent of the round. I am going out to have a good time and enjoy the fellowship or am going out to shoot a low round. Not that they are mutually exclusive, I went out today and intended to shoot low, and win, and drink beer, and enjoy the fellowship. I shot a 75 and lost to a guy that I gave 8 strokes and he scored his lifetime best score of 81.
  2. Will, I am sorry I have to be so anal about this. FL has the book and can see for himself, but Dante spent most of a chapter and more than 10 illistrations explaining why this "Backwards" wrist break was the right one, in his opinion. This is a totally different move than Phil makes in the video. When FL first broached this subject, I went to the video and watched. I gave the 4MM considerable thought about whether to recommend it to him or if it was indeed similar. To me the "Stack and Tilt" was much closer to the "Hinge and Hold" than the 4 Magic Moves primarily because the wrist break with the 4MM is so different than any other method that I have seen. I also decided that as far as a recommendation of the 4MM goes, I can not recommend this to someone else. I have not only read this book, but also I have subscribed to the follow on from Andy Brown, and recieve emails about this method 3 or 4 times a week for six months. I have watched countless videos of this and it is not something I would recommend changing to. And here is why. It is an extremely powerful and seemingly effortless swing. But in the long run this backwards wrist break has caused elbow injuries (tendonitis), the lateral hip shift has inflamed a long standing back problem I have, and the straightening of the left leg has caused (is causing right now) swelliing and pain in the knee. I said in an earlier post I have not fully implemented this into my game, but in reality I did. and it almost ended my golfing. I am not the only one that has had this problem. I kept thinking that this would get easier with time. However, the more I do it the more these injuries keep popping up. I occassionally will hit the ball with this swing and get unreal results. Earlier tonight in the scramble I hit a 19* hybrid 240 yards up a hill and laser straight to the flag and we had a 6' eagle putt. However, the price to pay for this is high. I will conceed that both swings are set the wrist early swings but that is the only similarity between them.
  3. The Four Magic Moves has a backwards wrist break and is the key component of all of the other moves. It is a totally different move than Phil's "hinge" move. Other than an early wrist break it is not similar. In a typical wrist break the hands hinge up and down and the club face opens. Dante says this is wrong and the right wrist breaks back and the club face closes.
  4. I have the book on my kindle right now, and read part of it last night. But I just recently downloaded it to that format. Originally I got the information off of the internet. I am not sure if I had it to do over again, I would probably look into the Rotary Swing Training (RST), based on JMillers excellent report on it. He has stated that one of the goals of this method is to preserve the body. The 4MM makes no such effort. I know the initial backwards wrist break putt stress on my elbow. I have had a back problem since 1991, crushed a disc, and while it got progressively worse, and I have no idea if the two are related but it became a serious issue after one month of playing with this swing. Also, the straightening of the left leg is now causing some left knee problems. Of course, I am approaching 50 so some of this may have happened anyway. I hate to abandon the method that I have worked so hard on, but I honestly have had to really tone the moves that they advocate down in order to play golf. I did get major distance and accuracy gains but the body could not keep up. I play a modified version of that, and now that I have shot under par yesterday and today, I hate to consider changing. I think they have a $20 one month trial on RST where you learn the basics but I am sure JM will chime in with his opinion. EDIT: Rotary Swiing Thread http://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/5837-rotary-swing/page__hl__%2Brotary+%2Bswing
  5. The H&H is more of an arm swing. while the 4MM is a body turn and the arms follow. While it may look somewhat simular, you will have a tremendous amount more power with the 4MM. Which is what you want on a full swing but not on a partial swing. When I converted to this, my short game pitches became horrible because the shot that was 30 yards with the H&H became a 55 yard shot with the 4MM. The S&T on the other hand does not incorperate a full body turn and is more of an arm turn, this does not effect the short game as much as going to the 4MM will. I will say that there is not quite another feeling in the world like the first time you go to your bread and butter shot of a 30 yard pitch and watch it fly 15 yards dead straight over the flag and not even touch the green. So you go back and try again. And now you fly the green the other way and instead of having your "easy" 4 that you were thinking, you now have a 7. And then that continues for the whole round and you can not figure out how in the check your short game left so soon. I have had to totally revamp my pitches because it was so hard to have "body hit" like the 4MM and an arm hit like the H&H. I can do them all now, but initially it was a huge struggle. I will say that the 4MM is a much better swing than the S&T. The H&H is more of a specialty shot for pitches and punches.
  6. That is the Four Magic Moves of golf by Joe Dante. It is not the hinge and hold. I have read this book and have been implementing in my swing since last August. The so called Four Magic Moves are: Early "Backwards" wrist break to start the back swing. Spring tension with a straight left wrist and arm at the top. Lateral hip slide with the head back to start the downswing and allow gravity to start the hands and arms down. Release the hands late through the ball and turn to a full finish. (These may not be the magic moves that someone else lists but these are from my notes to myself on August 4 about what I need to do to implement this swing.) Other than an early wrist break they are nothing alike. Even then, the 4MM uses a backwards wrist break. This is unlike anything you have ever done. Believe me, it is not something that you can mistake. I carried a grip on a piece of shaft and had to practice this move for weeks before I could do it without crossing my eyes. To be honest I have not fully implemented this in to my swing and use some parts of it. But it is definately not the hinge and hold.
  7. Out of the deep rough, or any rough for that matter, an exaggerated early wrist cock and downward strike on the ball is great, and for some reason, nothing bigger than a 7 iron are what I use all the time. Yesterday, I was 240 yards out in the deep deep rough and thought about this. Unfortunately, I decided to hit a hybrid, because while long, it was rather thin and I was stupid. Well, when I found the ball and had a 220 yard shot, from the deep deep rough but a little bit thicker, I hit my third shot with a wedge to the center of the fairway. Then hit a great fourth shot and 4 feet for par. I tried the Stack and Tilt and had great success with the irons but jmiller is right, I gave up distance on the longer clubs.
  8. I just watched the video of Phil doing this. This "hinge and hold" is basically setting up with the weight on the left side, and setting the wrist early, coming down steeply on the ball, trapping it between the clubface and the ground, and the hold part is stopping the wrist action keeping you from flipping the club head too early. This in the full swing would be a variation of the Stack and Tilt.
  9. We were playing today, 6 man wolf, and this subject came up. The guy with the speakers in his car turned on the music. A different guy, one who I never would have guessed felt that way, said how much more enjoyable golf was since people started playing music in the cars. This started a discussion about it and apparently, those people who do not like it are in the minority. Well, at least in that group because it was 5 for it and 1 who could not care less. Of course, I will say that the music was not blasting away. If the music bothered you, you could move to the other side of the tee box and it could not be heard from there. Also, that was really the only time I could here it. However, the wind here was blowing, as usual. Just a slight breeze of 10 to 12 which be normal standards is; normal.
  10. Yeah, and the only shoes I will put on this week are golf shoes. I will go to the bank tomorrow, but other than that I will not leave the house except to play golf until Saturday night when I take my wife out. She is busy until then. But I will still get in about 10 hours per day of work. Before I took my business over to Europe, I was driving 57,000 miles per year. My 5 year old truck had 268.000 miles on it when I sold it. So I am nonrepentant.
  11. Well, I belong to a club that allows private golf car ownership. A couple of years ago, we had the first stereo installed in a golf car. Now there are several of them. The Wednesday Night Scrambles (aka, Beer Can Opens) have now evolved into to each group playing loud music and a party like atomosphere. This is OK because this is a fun party like atmosphere. However, the music is also being played during the weekend games. Although not as loud. One of the guys in my swat (as I have learned to call them here.) has a speaker system in his car and can connect his iPhone. Initially I hated this. But then some of the other guys started asking him to play it. Especially, when I said something about it to one of them. The next time I was kicking his butt he decided to play music to irritate me. I have since learned to ignore it. I will say that I think he only plays it on the tee box or at least that is the only time I hear it. I personally do not listen to music much when I drive, although I drive about 300 miles a month unless I take my wife to Dallas. I put more miles on my golf car than I do on my Range Rover per day.
  12. I just read through this briefly for the first time today. I have been studiously avoiding this because it conflicts with the theory that I have been trying to incorperate into my swing. I have been studying the "Four Magic Moves of Golf" by Joe Dante. This is an old theory and basically teaches an early wrist break to start the backswing, spring tension in the turn to the top with a straight left arm, a lateral hip slide to start the down swing, and a late release of the hands at impact. What sounded simular is that you make no effort to swing the arms. Or I believe you said effortless power from the arms. I have been working on this since August but sort of got out of it with my back problems. I thought about it today on the course and focused on it again and was having a really great day. It helped because I was wanting to hit my "new" hybrids off the tee and this really worked better in the past with irons vs. the driver. I only hit the driver 4 times today, but used this then and hit it very long and staight. I was three under par with 3 holes to play when the battery cable on my cart broke, and I had to stop to repair the cart and get it back before it got too dark and it started to rain. I had hit every fairway and all but three greens. I guess I have to be honest and tell that on a par 5 on my third shot I bladed my ball accross the green from 30 yards, pitched back over the green to 20 yards off the green, then two putted for double bogey on the second hole but had 4 birdies on the other 14 holes. A combination of focusing on the fundamentals, and basically starting the hole from 200 - 240 yards (used two different hybrids and a 4 iron) in the middle of the fairway on the par 4's was sure helping my scoring. I am looking forward to tomorrow to try this again. With a new battery cable.
  13. Yippee, I get to go tomorrow and get fitted for my new iron shafts I am buying me from my wife for my birthday. She said she assumed I was buying myself something nice from her. :)

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    2. GolfSpy Barbajo

      GolfSpy Barbajo

      Always a nice present! Enjoy, bro!

    3. RoverRick

      RoverRick

      In the interest of full disclosure, my birthday is the 14th, but we are going tomorrow so that I can be fitted for my new iron shafts. These will go on the MP62 heads I bought on Saturday.

       

    4. GolfSpy WD

      GolfSpy WD

      My wife and I are the same. We buy our own bday presents. The process of buying it is part of the fun, so why take that away?

  14. Ninja I have posted a WITB/DIY photos of my bag. I did not take pictures during the process so all I could do is tell what I did and post some pictures. Maybe Rookie, who obviously copies everything I do, will have different ideas on how to do it.
  15. Our club allows private ownership of carts. We have to pay a higher fee every month and believe me owning a cart is a lot of work. It is nice to drive up to the door drop your clubs and put them in a clean cart. Rather than cleaning it yourself I put on new brakes today. All but 4 of my regular partners have their own carts. Sometimes those that do not will ride together but sometimes they do not.
  16. Seriously, someone thinks walking is faster than riding? Well, that might be the case when you double up and ride two to a cart. I forget that typically if we have 5 players we have 4 carts, and 6 players 5 or 6 carts. Most have their own and since those that don't only have to pay $4 more they usually get their own. It is much faster. We come over the hill it looks like the German's driving through Poland. If the pros were to ride in carts then the caddie could be the driver, they could get golf cart sponsors, Callaway could buy Club Car, and TMag EzGo. Of course Callaway and Lamborghini would team up. TMag, can have a commercial that says, "Our new BrassBalls Driver, Fairway Woods, and Golf cart not only 17 yards longer, but we can now get you to your ball in 3.9 seconds, Phil Mickelson can claim a victory for Callaway not only because the new Callaway Hex Black cut through the winds better than the others, but also because with the new Lambo Golf Cart, they were able to make the turn faster. This just in, Bubba is hiring some guy named Junior to not only be his caddie/driver but also his mechanic. Junior said, "We gonna put that thang on 'er and see what we cain't git a liddle moe pep oudda her." When asked what he had done to it he said, "Its a Chevorlet motor and we worked on it." Now that is a thread jack.
  17. My point about carrying vs pushing is that when I did walk and golf I prefered to carry the clubs which did not hurt my back to pushing the cart, which did hurt my back. I do not know why, I just know that it did. Also, when you carry you can go in a straight line to the ball. With a push cart you have to pick your path. My second point is, these people have a great job. They get paid well, and do nothing, absolutely nothing that the average golfer can not do if they were caddying for a person they new well. Maybe not average golfer but the lower handicap golfer could not do. Third, I have no problem with them riding carts, using gps, and playing just like the weekend golfer. There have been many times I wanted a second opinion on a putt, but could not ask and even if I did I would not expect a truthful answer. This is a huge advantage. But I say give the players a cart, a wet towel, and a bottle of sand, let them clean there own clubs, refill their own divots, and wipe there own balls. I am not sure it would speed up pace of play because anyone who has ever been to a PGA Tournament knows how freaking long these guy take around the green. For that reason alone kills the argument that they want to walk because they do not want to be rushed. All day long yesterday I had plenty of time, more than plenty, of time to think about my shot, and text my wife, and read what was happening on this site. It took 5:45 to play 18 holes, I typically play 27 holes and have lunch in 5 1/2 hours.
  18. First I am not agreeing that a push cart is easier than carrying it. I would rather carry than push a cart. Second I am saying that is their job. They get paid very well to lug that bag around. There are other parts to the job also but carrying the bag was how there jod started. Third I am saying that carrying the bag is not really all that difficult. They only carry it 300 yards before they set it down. It weighs 45 lbs. The rucksacks we carried were between 100-120 lbs and we did not set it down every 300 or less yards. Ok bubba watsons caddy has to carry it longer. I know this sounds like"in my day we had to walk to school 20 miles up hill both ways in the snow ....". But this is their job. I am saying for the amount they get paid they can carry the bag. However, as far as making it easier, they could all ride in carts that would make it easier. But once again I find myself not too worked up over it one way or the other. But for what they get paid to do it I think I would be happy to do it.
  19. Seriously, Tiger's Caddie made $66,000 last year and so far this year he has made $177,900 if he just makes 10%. Plus he probably makes endorsments. So what if he has to carry a freaking golf bag for 4 to 6 hours a day 4 days a week. He gets paid more money, and carries less weight, and with no one is shooting at him, which is more than you can say for any private in any army in the world. Fred Couples lets his girlfriend carry his bag for goodness sake. If it gets too heavy then they can go get a real job and carry out groceries or something.Mark Calcavecchia's wife caddies for him. I have difficulty working up much impathy for pro caddies. At one time Steve Williams was the second highest paid Golf Professionals.
  20. Apparently, I need to get better friends. Can I be your friend?
  21. The Callaway was too short to use the longer grips so I modified it when I was using a long putter. Now I use the short putter again but it still works great. But trust me, I have 5 patents and the US Patent Office would not issue a patent to either of us on it, and the European Patent Office is even worse I am afraid this does not pass that threshold they set to issue a patent and besides we could not make enough money off of it to pay for the patent in the first place. So far I have paid more in attorney fees that I have taken home.
  22. I thought I invented that. But I use a top and a bottom of an old putter well and have a piece of black PVC on my Titleist bag. My wife bought me a Callaway 14 Org, that was exactly like I wanted but it had a hard plastic edge that ate into graphite shafts. I bought two Titleist bags, and sold the Callaway and then made my own putter well. I covered it in a matching fabric and no one has said anything about yet. Unlike the rest of you I ride most of the time. I would rather walk and play golf but because of my back I can not push or pull a cart for more than a few holes so I ride. Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday I play with guys that walk. So I stay on the cart path and walk back and forth to the ball. That way I do not have to lug a bag.
  23. Probably, at my home course where everyone knew me. But I would be hard pressed to take it on the road unless I could absolutely back it up. This last weekend we had a team tournament of something like the Ryder Cup Format. I did not participate because of another tournament that was scheduled for the same course (Ryder Cup was delayed a week because of rain, one tournament started on at 8 and one at 11.) There was a guy from out of town that was playing with his brother, who is a 1 or less handicap himself. This out of towner has a brand new Titleist Staff Bag with new Titleist 910 s and 712 MB's, 2 iron included, And this guy absolutely killed the ball. Only lost the tournament on the last hole when the other team eagled the par 4 18th. My point is if you are going to look like a player, you should be one. There is a 90's shooter who plays in the weekend pick up group and I did hear some one say one time, here comes Staff Bag Ben. The stranger with the staff bag, did get remarks early on about the bag but they stopped when he hit the first tee shot about 315 into a 18-20 mph wind. He later hit a 2 iron to the 310 yard par 4 10th with the wind but went off the back and had to settle fot birdie. Edit: Change that to an absolutely not. Just realized staff bags do not have putter wells, I will not have my clubs banging into my copper putter. Period the end, So if I had one, I would need two.
  24. Never got that far with the wedge, the chrome did not come off but it looked very clean so I put it back on and am using it.
  25. You and someone else here have asked this question. I played around with doing a wedge this was but the method I used did not work. But after reading your post I looked it up on the internet, under remove chrome from steel. There were several methods listed. This one is the least toxic, and probably the most work. The other suggested muriatic acid. Which will probably work better but then you have the waste to deal with plus the acid is nasty stuff. I used some drain cleaner one time that took the chrome off of the stopper in the sink, and it was muriatic acid based so i know that works, wheather you want it to or not. But here is what was listed. Once this is done then you have to sand and buff out all the little dings, and then refinish it. Let us know how it turns out. 1. Put on proper safety gear such as respirator, splash goggles and protective gloves. Pour either acetone, ammonia or bleach into the large metal bowl or pot. Only use one of these chemicals; do not mix them. 2. Submerge the object from which you wish to remove the chrome in the the chemical. Cover the container with aluminum foil to keep the fumes contained. Allow it to soak for at least two hours. 3. Remove object from the chemicals. Dip a toothbrush into the acetone, ammonia or bleach. 4. Brush the surface of the object vigorously with the toothbrush. Continue dipping and scrubbing with the toothbrush until the plating comes completely off. 5. Wipe the stripped steel with a clean rag.
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