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Based on my reading of Geoff Mangum’s work is that it is largely based on science and physics. Body mechanics isn’t necessary I’ll mechanical. You don’t think mechanics to open a door. He teaches that you need to learn how the body moves so you can duplicate. You read the putt and pick a single start line that has a specific speed. This is done instinctually; your mind knows the physics to do the work. You then aim the putter to point squarely down the predicted line. Your body makes a stroke that starts the ball down the aim line at the predicted speed. I think there is always a balance of instinct and mechanics in golf. Each player falls somewhere in that scale with some being more mechanical and some being more instinctual. You may not focus on mechanics but you want to generally repeat the mechanics your stroke. You rely on instincts to return the putter face square and hit the ball a specific distance. Players will say they are feel or mechanical but both sides leverage feels and mechanics. For example if you are a feel player and leaving putts short, you adjust “feels” to hit the ball farther. This feel is ultimately your body adjusting mechanics. If you are mechanical and hitting the ball to short you adjust mechanics which is really an instinct on how to move the putter.

The general answer is you want the ball under the dominant eye and offset blocks the vision of the ball. Center shafted putters typically have no offset and provide a clear view. You will also find people that say the opposite is true and they should have offset.

Just follow the model local rule that was implemented a few years ago,

Mist likely an incorrectly installed shaft. This should give you some ideas.

Don’t know. Haven’t gotten to gift time, but my birthday/Christmas list included money to buy a putter

100% agree. The straight putt is great for evaluating a physical putter and your skills. You should be able to make straight 10’ putts all day long. If not assess the basic stroke mechanics to work on aim and stoke skills until you can. As you stated the difficulty comes when you add various breaks to the putt. This gets into reads and matching the speed to the line that you picked.

My understanding and it could be wrong is that the forward shaft lean is to eliminate the visual of setting up with the shaft in the middle of the putter and to promote a little bit of a forward press. But as has been shown in some Axis1 videos this setup does create a torque that tends to open the face when supporting the putter at the grip end. I still haven’t figured out the lie angle balance part. We are told we need to be within 1 degree of the correct lie angle or the putter doesn’t work correctly. I haven’t seen a demonstration of what actually happens with an incorrect lie angle. I do know that changing the lie angle on any putter will influence the toe toe hang so maybe since the shaft doesn’t actually intersect the CoG an incorrect lie angle could cause the putter to always t to open or close through the stroke. If a degree of lie angle matters as much as it is implied it also means that the players stroke needs to be pretty precise since there needs to be enough grip pressure to support the club at a constant lie angle and not droop because of gravity. This makes me question the whole zero torque thing as enough grip pressure to counter gravity should counter the rotational torque. LABs response to this is that people are fit into toe hang putters so that small amount of torque does have influence. LAB has also acknowledged that they do have correctional torque to help keep the face forward. I go in circles with this assessment. At the end of the day, it comes down to finding the amount of torque and the direction of the torque that helps you start the ball on the line where you aimed the putter.

. I laugh because aren’t you supposed to be doing a fair amount of siting around and doing nothing.

As mentioned by @zengineer it will be slightly off from the CoG, but that is probably a design thing, If you look at the LAB patents; discussed in another thread on the forum, the shaft is slightly toe side of the CoG. You cannot just randomly pick a spot behind the face of the putter.

OF course, that is what I said; that is why Cameron sells putters and merchandise. From a LAB point of view it is all because of Sam Hahn getting the putters in Pros hands. Bill Presse wasn’t getting them into players and influencers hands. You mention Luca Glover; he is not a good putter even with the LAB. Also, just because a pro uses a club doesn’t mean it is the right putter for you. What two ideas arent mutually exclusive?

Don’t know what skills or equipment you have but technically yes you could make one. Center shafted and low torque putters are slightly different things. Just starting with a center shafted putter won’t get you there. You would need to find the CoG, probably weld a hosel near the CoG location, and then weight the putter so it sits face forward. Depending on the putter thickness at the CoG location you might be able to drill a hole to insert a shaft to avoid the welding part.

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One if The many theories about how to pick putters based on eye and hand dominance. The theory is that right handed left eye dominant players align the putter better with center shafted putters.

It’s also science that the same percentage that are hit hard and roll by the hole don’t go in either.

Maybe it is just due to the exposure I have to test and try equipment, but there are few products I don’t “believe” in. Some may be better or worse in my hands but most everything that I see coming through most wanted testing is good for some player. if I was basing on my current preferences: Ping Drivers Tour Edge Exotics fairways Titleist hybrids Honma Irons Cleveland wedges Titleist balls Footjoy shoes Bushnell rangefinders/GPS All putters

Found this response posted about the mygolfspy’s article where they indicated non “zero torque” putters are obsolete. https://www.prestonsputting.com/single-post/the-zero-torque-debate based on all the things I have learned about putters, I think the perspective posted in this article is accurate.

Dropped mine at my alternate home location

You are not incorrect. Without looking up dates, Axis1 started in 2008ish and Directed Force (name prior to LAB rebranding) was 2015ish

Hope you feel better. You probably know, but based on the test the expiration date may have been extended https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-covid-19-and-medical-devices/home-otc-covid-19-diagnostic-tests#list

It’s been done, Look into the work of Bruce Rearick (https://substack.com/@brucerearick). As part of his work he has identified 9 stroke types and the styles of putters that benefit each type. These types were identified by studying the stokes of the thousands of golfers. There is not really a pro/con for each type, they are a fingerprint for what each golfer does. Based on the players tendencies you pick the putter that matches up to the needs/choices. There are numerous podcasts and videos that he has done that explain his findings. He is the coach that I worked with for several years that taught me so much about the putting stroke and the putters influence. I could also point you to the opposite view that states the putter doesn’t matter and it is all about players developing skills. That putting instructor would be Geoff Mangum. His view is that players just need to learn body mechanics and the skills necessary to aim and start the ball where aimed with instinctive touch.

Probably should have been. It was Tigers least favorite drill that Butch made him do to work on his body synchronization. Talked about it back in 2000 on Academy Live.

Be careful with your wording, not all center shafted putters have the CoG beneath the shaft. Even the LAB patent shows that the CoG is heel side of the center of the shaft. Many center shafted putters; like the one I have in my bag, are face balanced or toe hang; like Seemore models, and not torque balanced to face forward. I’ll also disagree that LAB led the way with “zero” torque putters. Axis1 started about 7 years before LAB. LAB has become the biggest name largely due to the marketing prowess of Sam Hahn and getting the putters into the hands of tour player and social media influencers.

I’ll probably figure out my putter when I am packing the bag for the trip…..although there might also be multiple,putters that make the trip

I am pretty sure TPT is pretty sensitive about the reliability of their shafts due to their past history of breakage.