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  1. 15 minutes ago, Middler said:

    Postscript: I politely pulled “Joe” aside a few days after the Wednesday wrong ball incident. I should note that the same day as the incident, he was pulled aside and reprimanded for chronic slow play by our Monday 3-4 foursomes just before we teed off Wednesday - he was argumentative and defensive all day. But by the time I talked to hIm the Monday after, I guess being challenged by his “friends” from two groups, he turned a little more introspective. He felt bad enough that he texted everyone in the Wednesday group to apologize, and said he was wrong in how he handled the wrong ball.

    So we’ll see how it goes, everyone is a little more rules conscious now, though I doubt that will last long.

    However, I’m convinced there’s no way to get all players, especially seniors, even with a $5 ante, to play by the rules 100% unless in a bonafide tournament. Fortunately most of the infractions make no clear difference in scores, and I’ll speak up only when it clearly changes a score. I’ll do what I think is right within reason, try to be a good example, it’s pointless to worry about what goes on that I don’t see first hand.

    And as usual, a couple members of the Wednesday group privately thanked me for speaking up, something they refuse to do…

    Glad your conversation went well and hope things change for the better 

  2. 19 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

    I'll check that out further. For me, after I opened the Edel thread I just posted in, when I re-opened my "recent posts" feed, it was marked read. If you just hit "back" in your browser, it often won't show it as read.

    Normal thread disappear after I read them, both when I hit the back button, and when I reload my “unread posts”.   The test threads stay in the unread state for me.  

  3. 8 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

    A big tip: I just checked the "tests_tests_pl" (not the most elegant name, and I'll look into changing that) to my "Content Types" options, and that now includes all the posts made to the new 2021 Official Testing threads to my feed!

    Great addition;  this is what I have been looking for.   It even takes you to the most recent posts!!!!    The only issue/bug is that after I read the post it doesn’t mark it as read until I utilize the mark site read functionality.   

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  4. 5 minutes ago, LICC said:

    I'm still not understanding what is wrong with it. Is it that different from a caddie who knows every inch of the greens giving you the read? Should caddies not be allowed to tell you how a putt will break as you are then not using your skill to read the green?

    Agree, this is also why players choose local caddies; they have knowledge and experience.  

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  5. 2 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

    This for me is my favorite part of putting. Visualizing how I want the putt to drop, I see break do I want to hit it firm and take some of the break away and have it drop fast center cup or should I play the break and use it often with the risk of it taking too much and maybe using the side of the cup. 

    The ability to read a green and its contours as well as speed is an important part of being a good putter. Of course speed as well and grains, but this is so important to me and what separates some of the best putters in the world. I won't be sad to see pre-made or purchased green books go away, as I think it will assist in identifying the best all around putters.

    You talk about visualizing.  How about feel good the read;  is aimpoint acceptable?  Can a player go to the course and build his own green book to use for the tournament?  Can a player write things down in a book as they play the course.  Does a player have to start with a blank book at the beginning of each tournament ?

    you qualified it in the last sentence; you are thinking like I am that it is the commercially available books that are what is being banned. 

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  6. 12 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

    I think the green reading books need to go as well.  Play it from memory... we do.

    We don’t have to,. There is nothing preventing you from buying or making a green reading book.   Even one of the most recent MGS tests is for a rangefinder that provides green mapping.  Do you think they should get pin sheets at the beginning of the round that gives exact pin location?


    1 hour ago, LICC said:

    Why? Should yardage books not be allowed as well? I just don't see why the breaks of a green need to be a secret.

    I agree with you on this.  I don’t think they are saying it can’t be a secret but they are trying to regulate how the information is obtained. If the player/caddie personally obtains and documents the information by walking the greens it is fine, but they won’t be allowed to buy commercially available green reading books and use those on the course.    


    20 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

    I would hate to lose resources at my job that allow me to have information readily available rather than have to go off memory. 

    This is the the big question.  It isn’t about memory; is there a difference between buying a book with this information and doing a personal green study and building it yourself?  I believe the latter will still be available if they ban the books.  Also, based on you having resources to do your job,. Why not allow rangefinders at all tournaments, let the rangefinders measure slope distance, let them have access to wind and weather information, etc.. 

    1 minute ago, StrokerAce said:

    ...and just like that. 

    Good for them!


    The issue will now be voted on by the full board of the PGA Tour, perhaps as early as next week.




    This was the article that started the discussion.  Not banned yet but most likely will be as another vote is needed  I don’t think there is a common understanding in this community on what a green reading book really is.  

  7. 21 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

    This is a part of that Interpretation:

    So the players are allowed to use their own notes from previous rounds, including practice rounds.  I believe the Straka and other commercial books are done within the size and scale limits allowed under the Rules.

    Sounds like you are interpreting this as anything currently allowed under that interpretation.   I am not sure that is what they are actually what they are going to do.  Especially after saying there would be no green reading books allowed at augusta.  I am thinking they will say that the book can only contain a scaled outline of the greens shape and everything else must be notes made by player or caddie. 

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  8. 3 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

    I looked at the control settings and there is no option to allow or disallow changes, so it might be something they used to have and took away.  I would have allowed it up to the start of the tourney if they had it set up.

    I'll let you know when I get the link to make the changes 🙂


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  9. 3 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

    I think Interpretation 4.3a/1 gives an idea of the level of detail that is allowed right now.  You can find examples of the Straka and similar books


    Understand that.   They are generically saying green reading books.   Does that prevent a player and caddie from going to each green and making  their own notes about the green to include slopes.  Or does it mean that I can't buy one of the straka books and use it.   Two different things.   Augusta doesn't allow any companies to map their greens therefore all that exists is books with players notes.  

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  10. 5 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

    Once the tournament starts, you can click on the leaderboard to see the other teams.  But you can't view them before the tourney starts.  

    I wanted to change my team and not see other teams.  In my email confirmation there is a link to the user dashboard:

    User Dashboard - Selections are editable prior to the start of the event.

    I clicked the link it says it will send me a link but never does.   Last time I tried (earlier contest) it send the link after the tournament started so I couldn’t edit the team anymore. 

  11. I have read the articles and how the players are paying $170 for them and how Augusta didn’t allow them, etc.  I really think there are some missing details.   My interpretation of this ban is that players will no longer be able to purchase and use commercially made green books that companies like puttview, strakaline, and golflogix make.  Essentially topography maps of the greens that show slopes and slope percentages.   Players and caddies will still have the option to build their own green charts with the information they want. Players were able to and did this at Augusta.  I wish the articles or someone would clarify what is really meant by a green reading book.  

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  12. 17 minutes ago, CWEHKRAE said:

    Do graphite iron shafts increase your distance? Getting older (59) and have some back issues, so i have recently lost about one to two club lengths on my iron distance. Would graphite shafts help me gain some of my distance back? Looking to purchase new iron set this summer, any suggestions on shafts and or best irons?


    Basically no.   There is more too it than graphite shafts.   Shafts come in a variety of weights and a graphite shaft can be the exact same weight as a steel shaft.  You can also find very lightweight steel shafts.  Distance is about club head speed and having a club that meets you swing needs.  Unfortunately lost distances is a potential consequence of getting older.  

    as for clubs and shafts the best answer is to try them and see what works.  Whether though a fitting or trial and error

  13. 9 minutes ago, LICC said:

    If you don't want to have discussions with me or for me to quote you, why do you keep making references to me? 

    This is a forum. People discuss their views and opinions. I provide mine, and I give reasons and support for my opinions. Everyone else is free to do the same.

    I was having a discussion and provided an opinion on a topic; your opinion happened to be the topic.  

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  14. 2 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

    Scotty Cameron uses a KBS shaft that is proprietary to Scotty putters. Not surprised if people find that normal process for gripping doesn’t match on a Scotty 

    He has always done this;  used to be a Scotty specific true temper shaft.  

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  15. 1 minute ago, revkev said:

    That's an opinion too. Opinions are opinions, not fact.  

    You may as well stop responding.  He will continue to quote articles and sources to support his opinion.  And because those articles are “authoritative” you must have the same opinion.  There is no consideration that opinion articles like this are generally written to create controversy and discussion.   And like you said everyone has an opinion and some we agree with and some we don’t.  

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  16. 9 minutes ago, Grand Stranded said:

    Now we begin our lesson. This guy apparently has a lot more confidence in my ability than I do, as he’s always telling me I’m “this close” to being a solid single digit player. I get that he wants to push me to get there, but I think he’s pushing a bit too quickly. He keeps telling me things like “I wouldn’t normally show this to a student yet, but you can handle it”  Yesterday we went down a wrist hinge rabbit hole that supposedly would help me get even more distance and solid strike.

    I wanted to tell him I’d be happy for now just grooving what I was doing, but… an hour later I’m feeling lost. The move he wants me to make feels awkward, and I was hitting the ball like crap. I get the old adage about one step back in order to take two steps forward, but I think I’d be better off getting my confidence back at this point rather than pushing forward.

    Does anyone ever go see their teacher and he says “that looks good for now, let’s keep doing it until it’s second nature…” Why do they keep adding so fast? I realize we’re trying to build something here, but shouldn’t the foundation be really solid before we do?

    An instructors job is not to make you feel comfortable and changes are supposed to feel awkward because you have changed your swing.  If you are happy for now, don’t go back for a lesson or take a longer gap between lessons.  His statements are designed to help give you confidence in you ability; you don’t want him to say “I don’t think you can do this but I want you to do X”.      I am a year into short game changes and a month into full swing changes. I am still trying to incorporate the changes but I am not ready for the next lesson.  

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  17. 17 minutes ago, GregB135 said:

    There is so much technology on the market for fitting these days, the cop-out answer is to go do a fitting.

    The practical answer, is find the one that you can most consistently deliver with the face square to the line at impact. The more you know and understand about your own stroke, the easier it will be to do that on your own.  Just about every putter manufacturer has some basic guidelines on their websites about which putters fit which stroke types. If this is your route, I'd recommend utilizing the various OEM demo programs so you can work through trial and error to find the one that fits and feels best. 

    the problem is that people don’t understand the putting stroke or stroke types.  Ping app talk about arc type but it really measures rotation.  The assumption is that higher rotation stroke has a bigger arc.  Arc itself is often defined by how far a person stands from the ball.  Also by telling people to read a website or go try putters you are advocating a self fitting which is still a fitting. 

    In my opinion and from what I learned delivering the face square at impact isn’t always a good approach.  Sounds logical, but almost every player has a left or right path bias.  The face angle at impact has about an 80-85% influence on the balls direction,  the rest is path.   Just like with the full swing it is better to have a consistent in to out  or out to in path and not try to zero out your path.  Generalizing the reason is that players with a zeroed out path will potentially have a two way miss due to variation in the stroke.   All that said,  when fitting  a putter to your stroke,  if you path is left biased you want a putter that is slightly open at impact and for right bias slightly closed.  This gives you the best chance to start the ball on you intended line;  which is really what I think you are advocating.  

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  18. 16 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said:

    As far as I understand the rules ( and I will mess up the verbiage) but it has to have a unique mark in order to identify. So while Tiger has "Tiger" on his bridgestones he still has to mark each one to be able to identify that it was actually the ball he hit. 

    There actually is no requirement to put an identifying mark on the ball.  Additionally Tigers name stamped on the ball can be used as an identifying mark.  The issue only comes into play if identical balls are found in the same area and you are unable to tell them apart.  See rule 7.2 that I pasted below.  

    I do recall an instance when I was at an LPGA tournament about no marking. On the first tee players show their balls and markings to each other.  One of the player played a specific number colored Volvik ball with no markings that she felt was unique.   Morgan Pressel basically called her out and said that wasn’t really acceptable because she couldn’t positively identify the ball and prove it wasn’t one that was found.    While the rules do allow no marking it would potentially raise questions if identification was needed  



    7.2 How to Identify Ball

    A player’s ball at rest may be identified in any one of these ways:

    • By the player or anyone else seeing a ball come to rest in circumstances where it is known to be the player’s ball.

    • By seeing the player’s identifying mark on the ball (see Rule 6.3a).

    • By finding a ball with the same brand, model, number and condition as the player’s ball in an area where the player’s ball is expected to be (but this does not apply if an identical ball is in the same area and there is no way to know which one is the player’s ball).

    If a player’s provisional ball cannot be distinguished from his or her original ball, see Rule 18.3c(2).

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  19. Wow,  just read through some of the comments in this thread; definitely not what I expect from my years of reading MGS;  some are pretty caustic.

    anyway, self teaching the golf swing is difficult especially if you don’t understand how the swing is supposed to work.  Overall you aren’t doing to bad,yo but you have some issues that should be fixed.  I am not a swing person so I won’t try to assist but if you want to really improve you should consider taking some lesson.   The flaws that are being discussed are the result of something that is happening earlier in the swing.  The body is an amazing thing and it will do everything possible to enable you to accomplish the goal of hitting the ball.   Welcome to the journey we are all on; which is how to play this game better.  

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  20. 9 hours ago, Kenny B said:

    From all the moaning and groaning about picking losers, it would be easy to win if I just knew who y'all picked.  🤣

    I’d even change my picks but the site never sends me the link to allow me to make edits.  To help you out my picks are the guys you think will win but end up playing poorly. 

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