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Had a hemangioma removed from my liver in January. Was supposed to be 3 months no golf but after my post surgery visit the surgeon reduced it to 2 so I can try to play again April 1. Based on current recovery, I think playing golf will be a challenge physically.

The lab link was tested last year. Lab only sent DF3 putters.

so let’s answer your original question: yes, people complain all the time of being fit and not getting better. This goes with the argument that higher handicaps see no benefit from fittings due to swing inconsistencies. yes, we want to score better. Irons that have been fit, in theory give us better gapping (if you did gapping testing and made appropriate adjustments), more consistent distance control., and tighter dispersion I asked what were your expectations because I know nothing about your game. You could be hitting the irons better but because you aim at flags or don’t know distances or dispersion you aren’t scoring better. You have also said you are playing less golf and I’ll assume practicing less too. Your expectation is lower scores so dig deep into the numbers and present information that leads to your evaluation of poorer performance: were you fit for your previous clubs? I will assume that side by side comparison to prior and new irons showed some kind of improvement What was the improvement? Are you hitting the new clubs worse than the old clubs on the course? What is worse? What is the range of scores prior to the fitting and after the fitting? what is strokes gained with your irons before and after fitting? what is strokes gains for tee shots, short game and putting? This is important because other areas could be impacted by better iron play. Hitting more greens could expose more weakness in putting. Or getting closer to the hole could expose short game deficiencies. what is your on course dispersion pattern with the irons before and after fitting? what other metrics are you keeping to evaluate iron performance?

https://www.carlsgolfland.com/titleist-t150-3g-irons

Article should be put soon. I would guess the testing is done and they are crunching the data and writing the article.

There are so many things going around in my head…but I will behave.

The face milling is what was provided by meridian. The meridian putters used for mallet testing had different milling patterns across the various models.

Sounds like course management, mental game, and expectation management are the reasons you have reached a plateau. And no, pros don’t do it all the time. They execute shots they can hit 90% of the time.

I haven’t been able to play golf since the review was posted due to limitations from surgery. When I start again next week it will be in my bag. The main reason is because of how easy it is to aim and start the ball where aimed.

What were the expected results? Based on the second line I quoted you wanted a lower handicap. IMO, we get clubs that are fit to our swing to maximize our ability to hit a consistent stock stock; basically get good launch conditions. While that is important, it doesn’t mean you will play good or better golf. For example if you have poor course management strategies or can’t hit partial distances fit clubs probably won’t make much difference. Getting you clubs fit is only addresses one aspect of the game.

I think complete sets are a good way to get started. Stix golf offers a complete set and bag for $699 and you can get $50 off first purchase. Ive seen them and pretty sure I hit one of the irons; they seem decent. https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/first-look/first-look-stix-golf-play-series/

depending on balance point increasing shaft weight could make it swingweight higher.

No reason to take a hit, kind of a new area to research and there are lots of rabbit holes.

What causes the blow up holes; why do you have doubles or worse? This will drive where you need to work. Do you follow a course management strategy like DECADE? Basically need to understand you game to be able to make recommendations.

I am a Nay after testing them.

The use of the putter is generally in the 40% range. But then you group everything else together. How much does the driver get used, the fairway wood, the hybrid, each iron, each wedge. Do you use the putter off the green? aim, stroke, and touch are only three of the skills. You also have read. I would agree that mental game is also a skill and maintaining mental state even when things go awry will keep you from losing confidence. When players lose confidence is it in the putter or one of the skills(which I’ll count mental focus). Mental is probably the most difficult to maintain. Read is probably the hardest putting skill since we don’t know the exact speed or slope of the green. Touch is close behind because it has to match up with read. Stroke and aim should be easy…point the putter where you want the ball to go and make a stroke that makes it go there. I also believe there is a difference in understanding a skill and applying that skill. Let’s look at aim. One would think you want to aim the putter on the exact line you want the putt to go so we can start the ball where aimed. Sounds easy but even professionals don’t do that. Tiger aims right and tries to hook putts to pull the putt back on line. This is a compensation that relies on continuous practice to establish timing. His putter is designed to help him feel that release. His stroke is also inside and down the line. with putting, just like full swing, we try to do things consistently but have compensations and biases we need to deal with. Continually good versus streaky is how often I can make the same “stroke” and quality of read. Then the question about the actual putter is how well does it help me make those compensations or does it fight me.

How did you measure improvement and what was the measured improvement?

They aren’t really focused on different balance points or swing weight; stroke lab is a different story. Swing weight doesn’t really mean much with putters. BGT shafts advertise they have the same balance point as steel. It is more about the stiffness and feel. With heavier heads; especially with the new broomstick resurgence, the shaft bends/twists in transition and the stiffness profile of the newer shafts is designed to reduce the shaft deflection and twist to improve face angle at impact and center contact. The shaft does deflect when you lift the putter off the ground to make a stroke. There is also torque when the ball hits off center. all that said, I’d recommend focusing on skill development before I swapped out a putter shaft, but I am a putter guy so I’d switch the shaft just because I can. No different than switching driver shafts.

Then you pick which grip you want that goes with the putter you pick.

Is it proposed or did it get passed? I don’t think it is necessarily dumb, just different, I want to know how onside kicks will work.

That is done by season(s) long analytics to measure your performance. Because of the distances we are dealing with for putting the improvement or lack of improvement would only be fractional. I don’t personally believe that a sputter shaft alone will take you from a 34 putt per round player to a 30 putt per round player. the other way to measure is to use systems like Capto, Puttlab, and Quintic to assess if you have improved face angle at impact, rhythm, ball speed, etc. this is also not a 10 stroke assessment and should be done over time. The initial fitting should give some indication of potential improvement; unfortunately there really isn’t an easy way to evaluate the aftermarket putter shafts since they are glued and no fitter is going to have a putter with all the options.

Again, is the a problem with the putter or the application of skills? Does the putter trump skill (arrow or Indian)?

Some of the grips are designed for specific putters based on the built in shaft lean. In a face on video, they can see how much forward lean you add. Virtual fitting is just measuring angles.

You need to define worth. Are you going to measure by hole, round, tournament, season? Opinions will range from putting stroke is easy and they are a waste of money to they ar the best thing ever. if you saved 1/2 a stroke per round is that worth it to you? Would it be worth it if you were playing a 4 day tournament and saved half a stroke per round? What if you told Scottie Scheffler that it would save him 2 strokes in a tournament? How about if you got your lag putts a foot closer on average? these types of changes are probably more season based because a putter shaft probably won’t save you multiple strokes a round. putting is made up of 4 skills: aim, stroke, touch, and read. The shaft won’t help with aim or read so will it improve stroke or touch? These shafts probably work a little better with heavier heads to reduce shaft deflection. Or do they do nothing because the putting stroke is too slow to have deflection? the shafts will influence feel so will the change in feel give you a better stroke and help you start the ball on a better line with better speed? Will the improved feel help speed control? basically all questions becuase there isn’t a definitive answer. you have to try the shaft and see if there are marginal improvements over the course of a season. And even with that some will see improvements and others won’t

Always a fun debate. so how do you go from being a good putter to not being able to putt well? If the putter has the influence that you are implying he should still be using the original putter because that made him putt well. So now you have to assess what created the decline and the Uptick in performance. Could it have been going back to Butch, could it have been that he also improved his tee game, approaches, and around the green in addition to putting? Then the question could be did the “putter” improve his putting or was it that he got back to working on the correct skills associated with putting? Could it have been going to prescription glasses that improved his vision on the green? Putters really aren’t different than full swing clubs. When you talk about fittings you say fitters have you switch because players change their swings to fit the equipment Same happens with putters. Putters want to do things during the stroke and players apply skills to make putts. How the putter is trying to move will influence the players stroke but players with good understanding of aim, stroke, and touch skills can putt with anything