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  1. 10 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said:

    For what it's worth, not sure of your GolfTec access in your area, but if you can give a name as a reference you can usually get a 60-minute swing eval/lesson for free, and the guy/gal you name drop gets a free lesson.  That's been my experience anyway...they don't advertise that deal but if you call and ask they'll do it (or at least in Omaha).

    Not pushing GolfTEC by any means; they are very hit or miss...if you do go that route I'd recommend checking the location's website and looking over the staff resumes.  However, it would at least give you the ability to check out an instructor without really committing anything financially.

    The Golftec in our area is about 45 minutes (or more depending on tunnel backup) away.   I did a swing evaluation at another Golftec about 6 or so years ago.  I wasn’t a big fan of all the body position measurement stuff and from everything I have seen their programs are; IMO, extremely expensive.  Most of the instructors locally are $40-$100 a lesson and offer multi lesson discounts.  I am thinking I’ll probably need 4-5 lessons.   

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  2. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish.   Tip weights are used to mitigate tolerances in head weight or achieve a specific swing weight.    Not all clubs have or need tip weights.    You can assemble as is or you can get more detailed and work to achieve a specific swingweight.  Also don’t know the extent of the refurbish to understand what you changed. 

  3. 9 hours ago, Kenny B said:

    Hope you find a good fit for an instructor.  It's not easy.

    Depending on what net you got, hitting full shots with mid-to-long clubs will likely be easier on the net.  It took me only 2 months hitting mostly wedge shots into my net, and the spin really chews it up; put a hole through it!!  I ended up getting the Spornia standard size white simulator sheet for $40 to hang in front of the net; works great!  

    Finding an instructor is very difficult.  I wish I didn’t have to do a search I really liked the instructor I was working with.

    I haven’t  even put the net up to see how it is constructed. Been busy and now it gets dark shortly after I get off work.   I will probably start with the almost golf balls since I have a lot of those.  The nice thing is that it will let me film my swing,  the bad part is that I cant see ball flight since I don’t have a GC quad at home 🥲.  When I am at the range contact feels ok but ball flight is a pull hook so I am also worried I will build in the wrong feels.  That’s why I will probably focus on short game since it is mostly low point control that I want to work on.  


    1 hour ago, jtgavigan said:

    Based on your shot pattern description,  you probably need to get your swing path and/or ball position fixed.

    Biggest reason I tell you this is that the right pro will see the issue and get you fixed fairly quickly. I have been there multiple times. 

    I would definitely try to work on this in the off season if you can. You will thank yourself come spring. 

    I know it isn’t swing path; my path is pretty consistent 2-3* in to out.   I do struggle with face control.  The coach I was working with did identify an issue -  when I initiated the downswing my right elbow separated and caused me to do some funky things in the downswing to route the club into the ball.  The result was toe strike and over rotation of the face.   My coach described it as one of the hardest things to fix and I have been working on it since the July but need to get some eyes on what I am doing.  Only reason I would wait until spring is the weather for outside lesson as there aren’t many indoor facilities and it would give me time to figure out who I should work with.  I really hate that I have to find a new coach.   

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  4. Been a while since I posted in this thread.  Partially because I haven’t done much with my game and partially because I am frustrated with my game.   The golf season is basically winding down  even though I will continue to play most of the winter.  Not sure how I will practice since it gets dark early.  I recently got a net; haven’t put it up yesterday, which I will use for short game shots and probably working on my low point with practice balls.  I am honestly afraid a ball will get beyond the net and break a window or hit someone so probably won’t hit full shots with a real ball.  

    over the course of the season my short game has really improved still some terrible shots but overall I am avoiding doubles that resulted from poor short game shots.   Was starting to work on full swing shots but due to circumstances beyond control I was unable to continue the detailed full swing work and started finding “tips” which has sent my swing into a downward spiral.  I can work it out on the range, but it is the result of block hitting where I get my timing down.  It doesn’t carry over to the course which results in wayward tee and approach shots.   This past weekend was basically pull hook the tee shot, pitch out to the fairway, hit an iron that was good, a push, or pull hook, pitch on and depending on distance 1 or 2 putt.   If I could get my full swing a bit more under control I really feel like my game would be pretty good and I could get myself back to a mid single digit handicapper.  Learning DECADE really helped with strategy and expectation management now, I just need to be able to hit some shots with reasonable results.  

    I think some full swing lessons are definitely needed.  Trying to decide if I should wait for spring or start sooner.  Probably going to do in-person as I think it would be more productive.  Just need to figure out who I can find locally that Is on the same page that I am and not require me to drive too far.  Unfortunately, don’t know a lot of players that have taken lessons and could provide recommendations.   Guess it is time to start the interview process.  

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  5. 30 minutes ago, ChuckZ said:

    Thought that Titleist had three plants in the US and one in Thailand where their balls were manufactured.   What off brand balls are you referring to?  This is a good business decision for TM.  The TP is a good ball.    

    I am guessing but it could be the balls that fall under Acushnet like Pinnacle or their DTC brand Union Green.  

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  6. 10 hours ago, Eric_Zweifel said:

    What effects positive or negative would I see going from a 65 to a 75 gram shaft?


    Part will be player dependent.   You could gain speed or lose speed depending on how the swing impacts your sequencing.   You could get tired at the end of the round and not swing the club as well.   The additional total weight to the club may slow how you rotate the club and leave the face a bit more open.  

    You may also want to check the actual weight since shaft weighting isn’t measured the same.  A 65 and 75 gram shaft may actually weigh pretty close to the same thing; a 65 gram shaft could actually weight 69 grams and a 75 gram shaft could weigh 70 grams.  If the shafts are different brands and models you now get into shaft profile and flex differences which would could significantly impact performance for you. 

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  7. 18 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

    Those people find jobs usually working for a company and that company is billing the customer and then pays the employee and the employee then it’s off any debt from the trade school or if they spent their own money they then pay themselves back what they spent.

    If a fitter pays for his/her training at some academy or like some club builders who go somewhere to take a course they need to find a way to recoup that expense. That would usually be at a golf shop if some kind.

    The golf shop is not charging for fittings so how is the fitter going to get paid? Is the owner of the golf shop going to cut into their small profit margins to pay the fitters salary? Doubt he/she will give up money to pay someone for a service rent aren’t charging for. The money has to come from somewhere. Either other services and good are going to increase and now all the consumers are paying the price for a small segment to get fit at the shop or the fitter and/or fitting service will go away

    I can't argue with you about how businesses are setup today,  in 99% of the situations it just won't work.  Most of us don't have a vision into future business models that could make this work.  As I said before,  people create business models that people say will never work and they end up being successful.   

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  8. 27 minutes ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

    Thanks that's what I thought. I've never heard a LPGA pro mention she uses a specifically women's putter. When I worked in sales I never saw the big OEMs release something with WOMEN stamped on it. Just curious if anything changed. As far as grip goes, it won't matter because I'm putting a SS Fatso on whatever I buy. I'm looking at TM Spiders and those have the weight ports.

    Some of the OEMs have a womens line....Ping and Callaway are examples.   In days of old most of the manufacturers had signature models in a women's line.   Anya Alvarez  did a couple of articles with MGS and one of the articles was about how women play golf and don't need clubs that are painted pink.  

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  9. On 11/2/2021 at 10:48 AM, DaveP043 said:

    This isn't really news, I remember the Player's Advisory Council announcing their decision a couple of months ago.  Obviously they've taken this time to work with the Ruling Bodies to create a Model Local Rule that's acceptable to all.  The potential shortcomings you mention may be a result of that negotiation process, but it still seems to be a big step. I'd say its attempting to restrict the use of technology in creating the books, taking it back to what was available before the availability of laser-generated elevation surveys and computer-driven analysis methods.  There has never been any prohibition on players going to a course and developing their own books, for both yardage and green contouring.  As to what technology a player will use to develop his book, perhaps they'll have to rely in individual integrity.     

    Seeing lots of comments now on the last paragraph that will prohibit the use of devices on the practice greens too.  For example, using a level to help calibrate your feels on the practice green is against the rules; but a player can use launch monitors on the driving range.  Would that also prohibit the use of a stimpmeter or the perfect putt device to roll a ball on the green to find a straight putt to practice or see how fast the green is rolling?    

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  10. 30 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

    They get paid for their content on YouTube via ad revenue. It may be for free. They may not get any money upfront but as their audience grows so does their revenue and when their revenue grows their production value grows. Many jumped to patreon so that they could increase their revenue and compensation for the work they put into their production and also to cover the costs of it, they also offer better content for the price. 

    The golf stores can do that because they are making money off all the products they carry outside of the golf clubs. They aren’t giving away their club repair and regripping services for free. They aren’t giving away the golf lessons they offer for free and now many of them are charging to hit balls so you can’t just walk in and use for free.

    Since Adam is such a disruptor he should set the example. He has the facitly, equipment and staff to do free fittings, so open it up and have people come in for free fittings. Since you think it’s a possibility why not volunteer your time to make it happen?

    You still haven’t answered the questions of who and where anyone will get people to work as fitters? Who is going to train them and pay for that training? How will the ones providing the training be compensated and who is paying for the training? Guarantee anyone who is interested if being a fitter isn’t going to dish out their own money to pay for the training and not be get compensated for their time once training is completed and they are performing their duties?


    So there is a business model where I provide the consumer content for free and companies pay for ads to provide reviewer to the content creators.  As the consumer I still get the information for free and the companies are still in business and making profits. 

    Adam does TrueGolfFit which will become free again per the podcast.  Part of the data that is used in that system is data from most wanted testing which I volunteer my time to be part of.   So in a way I am helping people get free fittings.  

    As stated above by others, people will still learn the trade in the same way and get paid by the same people.  The revenue would come from places outside of the basic fitting.   Refer back to the ad revenue on YouTube and coaches posting video tips on online coaching platforms.   Companies pay for commercials on those platforms with the hope of generating revenue.  People give “free” shipping to try and get you business and we know the shipping isn’t “free”.  

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  11. 35 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

    Show me a for profit business that gives away services for free and is still in business. 

    TXG and golf instructors produce videos and provide information on YouTube and forums to inform and educate golfers on fittings and the golf swing for free.  I have asked questions and gotten responses from those instructors.  They are still in business and provide more in-depth information and fittings for a fee.  

    go into a golf store and swing clubs and review information on a launch monitor; ever do that for free?  How about a demo day for an OEM golf company. 

  12. 15 minutes ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

    I use a 32 inch putter currently. I've been thinking about swapping out flat sticks though. Because I am comfortable with such a sort putter, I would have to cut down or custom order to get one I like. I am seeing a number of "Womens" putters on eBay, etc. that are already 32 or 33 inch. Is there anything that specifically makes it a Women's putter other than the shorter length? Like is the putter made differently or balanced differently than the men's?

    And I'm not talking about a little bit of pink paint fill, I'm comfortable enough in my masculinity that it won't bother me 😆. Especially if I make more putts.

    While there may be some weight difference and as you mentioned color difference,  there really is no difference between “men’s” and “women’s” putters.  If you look across top OEM brands their generally isn’t a women’s line of putters; or golf clubs, they just play the standard models.   The players on the LPGA tour play the same putters generally just shorter than their male counterparts.   Adjusting the length of a putter really isn’t that big of a deal other than it impacts swingweight and total weight .  Some manufacturers provide heavier heads or adjustable weights to account for the shorter length.  Some people put just fine without the need for additional weight.  

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  13. 1 hour ago, Michael J Lee said:

    But what was not addressed by most of the responses was the importance of the exercise that walking golf offers and the fact that letting cart riders play through slows the pace.

    There are lots of ways to get exercise.  People exercise outside of golf but if you choose to walk then it is great exercise.  

    as for letting players in carts play through, walkers and people in carts should be on the same pace and walkers often exceed the pace of players in carts.  If there are openings in front of you and there are players backed up behind you then you should speed up play and/or let the faster players through whether you are walking or riding.  

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  14. 1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

    Not for free. The consumer is always going to pay for things in some manner because businesses aren’t going to sacrifice profit especially where profit margins are low. Between rising labor costs for low skilled workers and the ever increasing price for consumer goods the consumer will cover the additional costs.

    You are correct,  but a could part of what Adam was saying be accomplished?  Think longer term, bigger picture and not what you see in front of you today.  Be a visionary.  Most new things are met with disagreement and statements that it won’t work  probably won’t work,  but I think how fittings work maybe need to change.  Everyday you read comments on the forum about people complaining about fittings and how their equipment isn’t right.  How would you go about fixing that for the person that doesn’t want to pay for a fitting?   Should people be forced to continuously buy equipment which contributes to the thought that golf is too expensive.   Adam is a disruptor and doing things to try and change industry.  If you don’t believe the consumer deserves better that is fine and your opinion.  Under you model, the crap fittings provided by brick and mortar shops is justified by the you get what you paid for.   I personally think the uneducated golfer deserves better 


    1 hour ago, ChitownM2 said:

    I think that is really where Adam was going with things. 

    Yep.   Is what Adam was proposing something that wail happen in the next 3-5 years?  Probably not.  Probably not in the next 10-15 either.  To accomplish what Adam was proposing probably will never happen industry wide but it does happen in small pockets of the golfing community.  Unfortunately people are viewing the Twitter posts and the podcast as an attack on the fitting industry and not as it was intended.  

    TXG was included because of there response that fittings should never be free.   As we are reading in these posts this is what most people believe because of normal business models where time isn’t free, equipment isn’t free, people want the cheapest option, and companies die everything to minimize costs and maximize profits.  

    33 minutes ago, VtheGNMan said:

     Isn't there always a big difference between what is good for the consumer and what is good for the seller?

    Definitely;  and isn’t the premise of MGS to educate the consumer.

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  15. 14 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

    Are the brands going to eat the cost for the equipment they are providing to all the retail shops? Both the shaft and club companies would need to eat that cost.

    many people talk about wanting more grip size options in fitting carts because they typically only have standard grip size. Other want more loft and lie options with fitting heads to get a better fit and know what to expect if ordering something that is different from what they tried. 

    We know that anyone in business is looking to make a profit so that cost is going to be passed on to the consumer in increased pricing of the clubs, potentially less free upcharge options in shafts. 

    Nothing is free and the they money has to come from somewhere. Other have touched on the the dilution of competent fitters if they are all going to work for free. 


    Your points are valid in today’s consumer marketplace.  Is it possible to change the model to do something better for the consumer and grow the game of golf?  

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  16. 41 minutes ago, bens197 said:

    That didn't mean you get the demo for free, you're still paying for it, just at a reduced price.

    Shop is still committed to the cost of demo as well as retail product.

    This entire idea of free, especially in the golf business is terrible.  

    this could and maybe should change?  If manufacturers want to sell more product providing a free demo equipment to shops could be a way to do this.  Obviously lots of other aspects occur like sales incentives from brands and making sales associates staff to create bias.  

    if we were to change the industry, shops would have access to product.  they would also have access to or staff that were good at the fitting process  and could actually help the customer with product selection and show why a particular club wa s better than another.  Help educate the consumer!  

    the point of the podcast wasn’t to look at today’s strategy, but what should really be happening in the industry.  There is definitely room in the marketplace. and benefit to both free and paid fittings options.  As said places like CC, TrueSoec, Cool Clubs, TXG would still do higher end more robust fittings and cater to the small percent of the dedicated golfer market and get paid for that in depth service. 


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  17. 14 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

     There are small pro shops that do this but there’s no way they could afford a fitter to do the work if they have any free fittings. Even with the price of the fitting put towards the purchase people still surf the Internet for the best price. I’ve seen it several times where a guy goes to his car, searches for the setup somewhere to see if they can find it cheaper, if they do they come back in several minutes or days later and tell the fitter they found it for x price elsewhere and can he match it

    Don't disagree with anything you are saying.  The point of the podcast was to discuss that ideally fittings should be free to benefit inexperienced golfers to help them get more enjoyment from the game.  As discussed, perspectives also change when things are "free" vs. having to pay for something.   Fundamentally not a complete solution as players also need lessons to help with the improvement.  

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  18. 2 hours ago, greggarner said:

    Yeah, liquor laws here definitely over-corrected... A couple years back, there was a huge push by golf courses and restaurants for legislation that would allow alcohol on Sundays before noon. As such, the 'brunch bill' was born (and passed!) But you still can't buy liquor on Sundays. (All of our liquor stores are state-run)

    I remember those laws when heading down to OBX for the weekend.  

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  19. 3 hours ago, TexasFullSend said:

    Recently did a woods fitting and the fitter was able to get my 3 wood to carry the same distance my driver is carrying (about 260-270) off the deck.


    What are the chance if I do a driver fitting that I would see an increase in driver carry distance? 

    What are your current launch monitor numbers?    If you want a simple answer,  you should be able to carry your driver farther than 3 wood with a good driver setup and swing.  

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  20. I'll take Adam's position and tweak it a little.  For a top end fitting paying for a facility like TXG is probably fine.   For big box retailers,  if they had competent fitters that could educate people on what to look for in clubs and help them pick equipment it would probably benefit the store and the golfer.  It would benefit the store by building some loyalty from the golfer since they feel like they got some value in the fitting.   I look at many of the posts on this site where people are saying that they bought this club or that shaft and they think it is wrong.   Have them pay for the fitting and if they buy the shaft or clubs then the fitting is free.    

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