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I second this. 
Just for reference...I am 53 years old and in pretty good shape, thanks to a career in the U.S. Army.  When I was playing regularly...I got down to a single digit handicap.  Now...getting to play less...I am just trying to break 90, when I get the opportunity to play.  
Played the original 699 Pro for a year.  Because of my satisfaction with that iron, I was immediately interested when the 699 Pro V2 came out.  I was so interested...and previously had such good luck with Sub70...that I decided to treat myself to a trip, up to Sycamore, and get fitted at Sub70.  The 699 Pro V2 is an outstanding club and works out just fine for me and sounds like you should consider it over the 799.
If you have the opportunity....take a trip to The Seventy, in Sycamore, IL, and let Neal Golyshko fit you.  He won't let you down. 
For me...that 8 hour drive, up to The Seventy, was well worth it.

I second this. 
Just for reference...I am 53 years old and in pretty good shape, thanks to a career in the U.S. Army.  When I was playing regularly...I got down to a single digit handicap.  Now...getting to play less...I am just trying to break 90, when I get the opportunity to play.  
Played the original 699 Pro for a year.  Because of my satisfaction with that iron, I was immediately interested when the 699 Pro V2 came out.  I was so interested...and previously had such good luck with Sub70...that I decided to treat myself to a trip, up to Sycamore, and get fitted at Sub70.  The 699 Pro V2 is an outstanding club and works out just fine for me and sounds like you should consider it over the 799.
If you have the opportunity....take a trip to The Seventy, in Sycamore, IL, and let Neal Golyshko fit you.  He won't let you down. 
For me...that 8 hour drive, up to The Seventy, was well worth it.

I second this. 
Just for reference...I am 53 years old and in pretty good shape, thanks to a career in the U.S. Army.  When I was playing regularly...I got down to a single digit handicap.  Now...getting to play less...I am just trying to break 90, when I get the opportunity to play.  
Played the original 699 Pro for a year.  Because of my satisfaction with that iron, I was immediately interested when the 699 Pro V2 came out.  I was so interested...and previously had such good luck with Sub70...that I decided to treat myself to a trip, up to Sycamore, and get fitted at Sub70.  The 699 Pro V2 is an outstanding club and works out just fine for me and sounds like you should consider it over the 799.
If you have the opportunity....take a trip to The Seventy, in Sycamore, IL, and let Neal Golyshko fit you.  He won't let you down. 
For me...that 8 hour drive, up to The Seventy, was well worth it.

I second this. 
Just for reference...I am 53 years old and in pretty good shape, thanks to a career in the U.S. Army.  When I was playing regularly...I got down to a single digit handicap.  Now...getting to play less...I am just trying to break 90, when I get the opportunity to play.  
Played the original 699 Pro for a year.  Because of my satisfaction with that iron, I was immediately interested when the 699 Pro V2 came out.  I was so interested...and previously had such good luck with Sub70...that I decided to treat myself to a trip, up to Sycamore, and get fitted at Sub70.  The 699 Pro V2 is an outstanding club and works out just fine for me and sounds like you should consider it over the 799.
If you have the opportunity....take a trip to The Seventy, in Sycamore, IL, and let Neal Golyshko fit you.  He won't let you down. 
For me...that 8 hour drive, up to The Seventy, was well worth it.

I posted this on the Sub 70 Facebook Page but I figured that I would share it here also.....
Ladies and Gentlemen….and anybody else that cares….I had my fitting, with Neal Golyshko, last night. What a majestic experience!!!!!! Neal is so friendly and puts you at ease. God knows that he’s seen plenty of good swings and plenty of bad swings….and it’s probably hard to keep dealing with hacks like me…yet keep a smile on his face.
The Seventy is as professional as it comes with regards to location and ambience.
Anyway….what I really appreciated is the fact that Neal tried to help me, instead of just selling me something. He saw two fairly minor things, in my swing, that I had just gotten lazy with over the years. I made those two small corrections and I am now ready for Q School (that is sarcasm, by the way).
Seriously….by identifying two small flaws, I improved things all around. Now I just have to remember them.
I also had the opportunity to meet Cody Varga…and put a face with a name. Cody has been helping me, over the last year, via phone/email but he actually gave me a one on one tour of the business side of Sub 70. Got to see the warehouse, where the clubs are built, etc., etc
An absolutely outstanding experience and I highly recommend it to anyone who is considering the trip.

What that probably means is that the other shaft options are out being demoed right now but they work to get them back quickly.  You could message them and ask to let you know when they get the regular shafts back from a demo. Also, I know shafts make a big difference but you could try a stiff and see how the club head feels or even try a 600 Pro V2 with a Regular shaft.  Last, other than the feel of the demo clubs and the great service I received up to that point, one thing that sold me on buying from them was the 60 day guarantee.  
I promise I am not being paid by Sub70, though I wish I was or getting free stuff, but I really believe in and love the small companies and Sub70 is one of them that definitely does it right. That why most of my clubs are Sub70 or a smaller brand and even some of the balls I play are from the independent guys. 

I put the numerals "082304" somewhere on the ball.
I was in a very serious accident, on this date, and almost died during the Life Flight, to the hospital, and then almost died during 3 of 8 surgeries in the ICU...it was literally touch and go.
So now...I use that as my mark to let me remember that the Good Lord is not finished with me yet...and that Golf is just a game....and there many other things, in life, that are oh so much more important than a number, on a scorecard.....

I put the numerals "082304" somewhere on the ball.
I was in a very serious accident, on this date, and almost died during the Life Flight, to the hospital, and then almost died during 3 of 8 surgeries in the ICU...it was literally touch and go.
So now...I use that as my mark to let me remember that the Good Lord is not finished with me yet...and that Golf is just a game....and there many other things, in life, that are oh so much more important than a number, on a scorecard.....

Couldn’t agree more. I have had 2 fittings with Kevin and it was a great experience. He took his time and helped me with my swing and all 4 clubs he fit me for have worked out great. The only drawback was only one of those fittings was at the Seventy. What a great job they did with that place.

I posted this on the Sub 70 Facebook Page but I figured that I would share it here also.....
Ladies and Gentlemen….and anybody else that cares….I had my fitting, with Neal Golyshko, last night. What a majestic experience!!!!!! Neal is so friendly and puts you at ease. God knows that he’s seen plenty of good swings and plenty of bad swings….and it’s probably hard to keep dealing with hacks like me…yet keep a smile on his face.
The Seventy is as professional as it comes with regards to location and ambience.
Anyway….what I really appreciated is the fact that Neal tried to help me, instead of just selling me something. He saw two fairly minor things, in my swing, that I had just gotten lazy with over the years. I made those two small corrections and I am now ready for Q School (that is sarcasm, by the way).
Seriously….by identifying two small flaws, I improved things all around. Now I just have to remember them.
I also had the opportunity to meet Cody Varga…and put a face with a name. Cody has been helping me, over the last year, via phone/email but he actually gave me a one on one tour of the business side of Sub 70. Got to see the warehouse, where the clubs are built, etc., etc
An absolutely outstanding experience and I highly recommend it to anyone who is considering the trip.

Thanks for sharing your experience.  If' I'm ever in the neighborhood I'm certainly going to go by and get fit, whether I need anything or not 🙂
I have my first Sub70 club (849 driver) on the way to me, so I'm pretty excited about that.

I posted this on the Sub 70 Facebook Page but I figured that I would share it here also.....
Ladies and Gentlemen….and anybody else that cares….I had my fitting, with Neal Golyshko, last night. What a majestic experience!!!!!! Neal is so friendly and puts you at ease. God knows that he’s seen plenty of good swings and plenty of bad swings….and it’s probably hard to keep dealing with hacks like me…yet keep a smile on his face.
The Seventy is as professional as it comes with regards to location and ambience.
Anyway….what I really appreciated is the fact that Neal tried to help me, instead of just selling me something. He saw two fairly minor things, in my swing, that I had just gotten lazy with over the years. I made those two small corrections and I am now ready for Q School (that is sarcasm, by the way).
Seriously….by identifying two small flaws, I improved things all around. Now I just have to remember them.
I also had the opportunity to meet Cody Varga…and put a face with a name. Cody has been helping me, over the last year, via phone/email but he actually gave me a one on one tour of the business side of Sub 70. Got to see the warehouse, where the clubs are built, etc., etc
An absolutely outstanding experience and I highly recommend it to anyone who is considering the trip.

I posted this on the Sub 70 Facebook Page but I figured that I would share it here also.....
Ladies and Gentlemen….and anybody else that cares….I had my fitting, with Neal Golyshko, last night. What a majestic experience!!!!!! Neal is so friendly and puts you at ease. God knows that he’s seen plenty of good swings and plenty of bad swings….and it’s probably hard to keep dealing with hacks like me…yet keep a smile on his face.
The Seventy is as professional as it comes with regards to location and ambience.
Anyway….what I really appreciated is the fact that Neal tried to help me, instead of just selling me something. He saw two fairly minor things, in my swing, that I had just gotten lazy with over the years. I made those two small corrections and I am now ready for Q School (that is sarcasm, by the way).
Seriously….by identifying two small flaws, I improved things all around. Now I just have to remember them.
I also had the opportunity to meet Cody Varga…and put a face with a name. Cody has been helping me, over the last year, via phone/email but he actually gave me a one on one tour of the business side of Sub 70. Got to see the warehouse, where the clubs are built, etc., etc
An absolutely outstanding experience and I highly recommend it to anyone who is considering the trip.

I posted this on the Sub 70 Facebook Page but I figured that I would share it here also.....
Ladies and Gentlemen….and anybody else that cares….I had my fitting, with Neal Golyshko, last night. What a majestic experience!!!!!! Neal is so friendly and puts you at ease. God knows that he’s seen plenty of good swings and plenty of bad swings….and it’s probably hard to keep dealing with hacks like me…yet keep a smile on his face.
The Seventy is as professional as it comes with regards to location and ambience.
Anyway….what I really appreciated is the fact that Neal tried to help me, instead of just selling me something. He saw two fairly minor things, in my swing, that I had just gotten lazy with over the years. I made those two small corrections and I am now ready for Q School (that is sarcasm, by the way).
Seriously….by identifying two small flaws, I improved things all around. Now I just have to remember them.
I also had the opportunity to meet Cody Varga…and put a face with a name. Cody has been helping me, over the last year, via phone/email but he actually gave me a one on one tour of the business side of Sub 70. Got to see the warehouse, where the clubs are built, etc., etc
An absolutely outstanding experience and I highly recommend it to anyone who is considering the trip.

I posted this on the Sub 70 Facebook Page but I figured that I would share it here also.....
Ladies and Gentlemen….and anybody else that cares….I had my fitting, with Neal Golyshko, last night. What a majestic experience!!!!!! Neal is so friendly and puts you at ease. God knows that he’s seen plenty of good swings and plenty of bad swings….and it’s probably hard to keep dealing with hacks like me…yet keep a smile on his face.
The Seventy is as professional as it comes with regards to location and ambience.
Anyway….what I really appreciated is the fact that Neal tried to help me, instead of just selling me something. He saw two fairly minor things, in my swing, that I had just gotten lazy with over the years. I made those two small corrections and I am now ready for Q School (that is sarcasm, by the way).
Seriously….by identifying two small flaws, I improved things all around. Now I just have to remember them.
I also had the opportunity to meet Cody Varga…and put a face with a name. Cody has been helping me, over the last year, via phone/email but he actually gave me a one on one tour of the business side of Sub 70. Got to see the warehouse, where the clubs are built, etc., etc
An absolutely outstanding experience and I highly recommend it to anyone who is considering the trip.

I posted this on the Sub 70 Facebook Page but I figured that I would share it here also.....
Ladies and Gentlemen….and anybody else that cares….I had my fitting, with Neal Golyshko, last night. What a majestic experience!!!!!! Neal is so friendly and puts you at ease. God knows that he’s seen plenty of good swings and plenty of bad swings….and it’s probably hard to keep dealing with hacks like me…yet keep a smile on his face.
The Seventy is as professional as it comes with regards to location and ambience.
Anyway….what I really appreciated is the fact that Neal tried to help me, instead of just selling me something. He saw two fairly minor things, in my swing, that I had just gotten lazy with over the years. I made those two small corrections and I am now ready for Q School (that is sarcasm, by the way).
Seriously….by identifying two small flaws, I improved things all around. Now I just have to remember them.
I also had the opportunity to meet Cody Varga…and put a face with a name. Cody has been helping me, over the last year, via phone/email but he actually gave me a one on one tour of the business side of Sub 70. Got to see the warehouse, where the clubs are built, etc., etc
An absolutely outstanding experience and I highly recommend it to anyone who is considering the trip.

I posted this on the Sub 70 Facebook Page but I figured that I would share it here also.....
Ladies and Gentlemen….and anybody else that cares….I had my fitting, with Neal Golyshko, last night. What a majestic experience!!!!!! Neal is so friendly and puts you at ease. God knows that he’s seen plenty of good swings and plenty of bad swings….and it’s probably hard to keep dealing with hacks like me…yet keep a smile on his face.
The Seventy is as professional as it comes with regards to location and ambience.
Anyway….what I really appreciated is the fact that Neal tried to help me, instead of just selling me something. He saw two fairly minor things, in my swing, that I had just gotten lazy with over the years. I made those two small corrections and I am now ready for Q School (that is sarcasm, by the way).
Seriously….by identifying two small flaws, I improved things all around. Now I just have to remember them.
I also had the opportunity to meet Cody Varga…and put a face with a name. Cody has been helping me, over the last year, via phone/email but he actually gave me a one on one tour of the business side of Sub 70. Got to see the warehouse, where the clubs are built, etc., etc
An absolutely outstanding experience and I highly recommend it to anyone who is considering the trip.

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You read it correctly.. "Otto Phlex". I'm sure there's not a person on MGS or in the golf world who hasn't heard of (or seen) the Auto Flex shaft. For those of you who have been living under a rock for the past couple of years, Auto Flex is a South Korean company that has basically branded their flagship shaft as a very flexible, but high performing, high tech, and somewhat "magic" shaft made with "Secret Hidden Korean Technology". The concept lends itself to the idea that a specific flexy profile can help increase clubhead and ball speed, while increasing launch and keeping spin relatively low, and improving disbursement and forgiveness, therefore yielding results of long, straight, towering bombs.. I mean, who doesn't what that right? Another claim is that while keeping the profile relatively soft, tempo improves, and the overall risk for injury can be reduced. 
Well I'll be one of the first to admit it. I was NEVER enamored by the claims and especially the price of the AutoFlex. Oh, and let's not forget about the color scheme.. Ultra Hot Pink? not my jam Sam. As a sole provider trying my best to balance a decent golf game on a budget with my family life, spending $800+ on a hot pink golf shaft just isn't something that interests me.. regardless of the claims. 
Well over the past year or so, there have been a few Youtube channels that have showcased the AutoFlex Hack.. or as I like to call it, the "Otto Phlex". It has been somewhat theorized that the secret sauce to the AutoFlex is based on the following basic profile characteristics: 2-3 flexes lighter than your preferred flex or frequency, at least 1 or even 2 weight classes lower than your preferred weight, a swingweight between D0 and D2 depending on the flex, and a mid/high launch profile. It has also been debated that the Autoflex works best when it's at least 46" or longer. I tried starting at 46.5" and just didn't like the length. I then tried shorter .5" increments and I ended up at 45" and I'll explain how I got there in a bit. 
OK before anybody sounds the alarm, I realize that all of these characteristics are subject to each shaft company's interpretation and that there is no such thing as a standardized R, S, X, etc, flex shaft. All of these characteristics are based on broad generalities and this experiment has quite a bit of wiggle room so don't get your plaid golf knickers in a twist. (there, got that out of the way)
I've been playing the MotoreX F1 6X for the past 2 years. It's an XS shaft according to Fujikura, it weighs in at about 68g uncut. I've played it at about D5 SW but the shaft can take the extra head weight with no issues. Up until very recently, this was supposed to be my "Forever" shaft. It just works and up to this point I just couldn't find anything better. This is however going by conventional wisdom standards that with 110+ mph swing speed, I need to play either a hefty stiff or XS profile shaft and my preferred weight has always been sub 70g in driver. 


 
My Otto Phlex profile should look something like this: A flex, 45 - 55g, High Launch with low loft setting or mid launch with standard loft setting. Torque is another factor that can be thrown into the debate ring as having any value. The AutoFlex from what I've read is around a 4.0 torque rating. I believe torque can be important with this experiment because we're really treading on the edge of making sure the shaft bends but doesn't twist. Too high of torque rating and you may be pushing things a little too far. 
 
DISCLAIMER 1: I realize that this is a subject that might rub some folks the wrong way.. namely those who've spent the $ and are completely bought into the Autoflex concept.. or those who've done the research, had a fitting, and are about to pull the trigger on one. I think that this topic fully encompasses the MGS spirit of debunking a pretty hyped up marketing claim and/or discussing alternatives that take all of the marketing hype out of the equation and stick to the hard facts. Does the concept actually work? Can I make an Otto Phlex shaft that performs similarly or better than the real thing while nixing the insane price tag by following the guidelines listed above? 
DISCLAIMER 2: just because I'm finding success with this at the moment, it doesn't mean that it's for everybody. This is definitely a concept that even I'm still working to wrap my head around after playing for 30 years. It definitely has a lot of allure and appeal so the best we can do is try it out, give it some time and formulate final conclusions when the data is adequate. 
Below are a few of the videos that influenced my journey (and a few others like @Samsonite, @blackngold_blood, @cnosil, @cksurfdude, @tommc23, (forgive me if I missed anyone else) down this Otto Phlex rabbit hole. We all started up in the thread discussing the new PXG 0311 Gen5 Driver and ended up directing most of our discussion towards this AutoFlex Hack project because it just worked in such harmonized synchrony with the Gen5 head. Below is the PXG Gen5 thread if you'd like to catch up on what lead to this topic. The top of about page 3 is where the discussion starts to go sideways and turn into AutoFlex hack project 😜
 
Here is the original review by MrShortgame of the Autoflex. Very supportive of the Autoflex performance benefits
 
Here are the colab videos by MrShortgage and MobileClubmaker. Both guys make great and very informative videos and they both know their stuff. 
 
 
 
Simon from SAS did something similar a while back.. He kind of rolls like me. He's all about getting the most out of a budget and still getting some really killer gear. 
 
Freddie Meikle Golf. I found this one as I was looking up more reviews for the PXG Gen 5 and it happened to be that he also stumbled upon the Otto Phlex 
 
After watching these videos about 10x each and saying "hey I can actually do that!", I tracked down a Project X Evenflow Riptide CB. In fact, it's the exact same spec of the shaft in the MrShortgame video. 40g 5.0 A flex. I sourced the shaft from a local OfferUp listing for a PXG Gen4 driver for sale. I reached out and offered the guy a straight trade for the Diamana S series that initially came with my Gen5 driver. Being that he was trying to sell his driver and I was able to gently convince him that an S flex might appeal to a broader audience, he was open for the trade. My fallback plan if all else fails is to plug in my trusty MotoreX and resell the experimental shafts and get on with my life. The only concern that I had was that the Evenflow played at 45" and I was convinced that it needed to be at least 46" for max results so I was already sourcing my shaft extension piece to have ready. Well eventually I discovered that 45" was absolutely perfect and that no extension was needed. I took the shaft back to the workshop, put it in the Gen5 and got the SW calculated to D0. Because of the higher balance point, I needed to add just a little more weight to the head. Luckily I was able to find a 10g PXG weight to replace one of the 7.5g weights and there we go.. I'm sitting right at D1.5.

Now why is the SW so important with this build? Well this shaft isn't made for swing speeds over 100 MPH.. let alone the 110 - 115 that I'll be imparting on it. From my obsessive gathering of info, if you're able to keep the head weight to a minimum, and keep the swing weight optimal based on the desired shaft frequency (D1 lighter to D2 heavier), you should still be able to apply a max swing without any unwanted torsional head twisting. This is where the head can twist open or shut in addition to the shaft flexing the face up or down and then even more damaging is finding some odd variation in between where the face is flexed open or shut to some degree and then the face lofted or delofted to another degree and then who knows which direction the ball goes? Ultimately, the idea is to be able to put a hefty swing on the club and the ONLY reactional bending is the face increasing in loft, therefore assisting with an easier launch. Other variations are the actual club head itself. Every driver head is engineered for something specific. Luckily in my case, the PXG Gen5 seems to be a perfect mate for this experiment. It's naturally a lower spinning head and has a load of variable weight configurations. I have the 9* head option. 
Here are some standardized #'s from what I've seen with the MotoreX. I no longer have my membership with PGATSS (due to their recent 50% cost spike) so I'm just basing this off of memory from my last few sessions. (not 100%). As you can see though, the MotoreX works well for me. It's not an overly stiff profile. I'd say that it falls right where I need it to be between S+ and XS if I could give it my own classification. It's in the 65g weight class but actually closer to 70g than 65g. 
Launch - 10-12*
Ball Speed - 157 MPH (probably not accurate)
Swing Speed - 111
Carry 270
Spin 1900
Moment of Truth
I took the Project X Evenflow Riptide along with the MotoreX to the Foresight Monitors at an outdoor range. This way I can see true flight and get some basic #'s to help quantify what I'm seeing with my eyes. The only downside is that the balls they use are limited flight which supposedly cut the flight down by 20% and the monitors weren't showing club or ball speed and weren't showing Spin so I was kind of disappointed. The limited results that I did see however blew my socks off. I started off the session with about 20 hits from the MotoreX and saw a nice low-ish draw. The carry was about 250 with rollout to about 270+. Not bad considering the balls were limited flight. I did see my miss come into play a few times which is a hard pull hook. This happens when I'm not fully sync'd and I'm swinging with my arms, chasing the ball, and just flipping the face closed. My shot can quickly go from fairway to neighborhood finder on the wrong layout. 
As soon as I plugged in the "OttoPhlex1" (I'll get to that "1") I could immediately feel the difference but that's to be expected.. the difference however isn't what I was expecting at all. The club actually doesn't feel lighter by weight or Swing Weight. I think there's some kind of trickery about the D1 SW and overall lighter club. The club doesn't feel too light at all. In fact if feels perfect! The SW also doesn't feel like D1 but closer to my preferred D4-5. I'm sure it's more to do with physics than witchcraft but to a lay fool like me.. it's the devil at work! 🤣 JK. when I tee'd up my first ball, it was a high fowl ball to right field.. probably into the parking lot. weird.. OK this is a new sensation to me. At first impression I'm thinking, man this thing's too whippy and twisty. Well I buried that though and hit a few more. The more I hit, the more in sync I was getting and then the easier it became to just hit high towering baby draws. I'll say that the overall height at 9* was probably more than I wanted to see so I ended up cranking the loft down to 7.5 and just like old Bob Parsons himself would put it "KABOOM BABY".. ok I actually really hate PXG marketing but I guess it can have a time and place. You can read more about my thoughts on the Gen5 in the thread above.. but the overall feeling of it paired with the OttoPhlex1 is something else. The launch is effortless and even though I couldn't see the spin or ball speed #'s, I was getting about 15 yds more carry and rollout to about 290 - 300 yds. I went back and plugged the MotoreX in, bumped it back to 9° and then found myself struggling to get the ball in the air. A shaft that I've been familiar with for 2 years all of a sudden became a stranger to me. I had been so completely overtaken by the feeling, flight, and performance of the OttoPhlex1 that I'd completely forgot everything I knew about the MotoreX.. and that was just in 1 hitting session. 
So of course I go home all giddy happy but my silly brain just couldn't rest on 1 thing.. Just like the video with MrShortgame, the PX Evenflow Riptide didn't really feel how the Autoflex looks from videos. Those guys got some real 1/1 comparison and I don't know if I'll ever have that luxury. The shaft just felt like a really smooth, stable "Me" flex. Take the stigma of "# Flex" out of the equation. It isn't really whippy or overly explosive feeling but it just feels like a really nice, stable shaft to play that gave some great results and something that I could definitely game. So that night I went back to looking around for possibly another option that might land me a little closer to the Motore F3 like they used in the video. Looking at all of the comments, it's literally impossible to find that exact shaft anywhere and people were frustrated. Even the current MotoreX F3 is a tad pricy for an experiment. Off the top of my head I knew of a few light weight, low cost options that I could look into. I looked at the UST ProForce V2 in both the HL and standard version, the Aldila NXT GEN NVS Orange, and the classic Garafalloy Pro Launch Blue. All in A flex and ranging between 45 and 55g. Well I settled for the Garafalloy PL based on a very technical analysis of.. Aesthetics 😝. Now we have OttoPhlex2 in the mix. This and all of these are shafts that you can pick up at Golf Galaxy, PGATSS, or Golfworks for around $60, which is about the same price that AJ (Mobileclubmaker) paid for the OG Motore F3 and all seem to fit that general profile. I will add that I started out the GPLB at 46.5". The SW was just too much and I wasn't loving the length. So this is where I shortened it in .5" increments until I just found my glass slipper at 45". 


I took this out to play a round on Saturday 9/24 and I tell you what.. Just like I was blown away by the improved results with the Evenflow Riptide, I was even more so impressed with the Garafalloy PLB. The round I played was on a tight community Exec course with very narrow fairways. I played the front 9 with the OttoPhlex1 and hit everything! then I played the back with OttoPhlex2 and not only did I hit everything but it was a noticeably longer and higher flight. Not feeling content with the limited amount of playing time during the round, I immediately took to the course driving range afterward to compare both shafts in a long drive battle. Same situation as the other range, they have limited flight balls. It's in a retirement community so the back wall of the range stops at about 290 from the matts and on the other side behind the back wall is a gigantic aluminum storage facility. When it's matts only, I haven't ever hit over the fence. When they push it to grass, and depending how far forward, and when you smash a good drive, you're rewarded with a loud PING when the ball hits the storage facility over the fence.. too many good drives, and the storage facility calls the golf course and you are kindly asked to put your driver away 😬. like I said, from the matts, that's that furthest point from the end of the range and I've never hit one over the fence. So I started the contest with the OttoPhlex1 (Riptide). I hit a lot of nice straight bombs that bounced to the wall but not over. When I put the OttoPhlex2 (GPLB) in, I was clearing the fence almost every 2 or 3 balls. Not only was I clearing the fence but I kept a directional point of a large tree at the back end of the range and everything was at or just outside of the tree. Luckily I finished the bucket and wasn't asked to leave 😛 Well for the finale, I took a used ball from my bag that I planned to retire to my backyard for chipping practice and tee'd it up. I didn't hit the side of the storage facility.. I landed it on the roof which had to be about 30' high and I wasn't rewarded with 1 PING.. but a series of pings as the ball bounced all the way across the rooftop🤯.
I've already made a short story very long but I had a chance to take both shafts to PGATSS to get some better #'s with the Garafalloy PLB. What I found just added to some of the crazy things that I've already seen with this club. Launch from a 7.5* head with little to no effort is right at about 14*. Club head speed 112+ without breaking a sweat. Spin.. 2000 - 2200 RPM. Carry distance an avg of 285 - 290 rolling out to around 315. Shots that I felt like I hit off the planet were just right or left of the green. I will add that I was using my game ball Maxfli Tour CG. 
I've got 1 more potential candidate that I would like to add to the mix and that's the UST ProForce V2 HL or regular V2. TBC
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It's getting late. This is phase 1. I'll add some pics and continue more tomorrow. 
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PLEASE feel free to start commenting or sharing any similar stories. I think this could be a really good topic for MGS to cover on their GolfScience channel. 
 
Cheers!
 
 
 

Obligatory links to HQ posts on their experiences in 2022 with the driver and 2021 with the 7i. There's also a similar thread over in the training aid sub-forum that might give you the insight you're looking for:
I don't have a lagshot personally but I did pick up an orange whip at a second-hand store. If I had found a lagshot, I would have bought that instead. At worst, I think it's a good warmup gadget. At best, maybe it gives you a silky smooth tempo! I'm a proud gadget fiend so I'm probably not the best person to offer practical purchasing advice though.

If you google “my golf spy lag shot” you’ll find some different discussions of it. I’m thinking of getting one. 

I had a Heavenwood for quite a long time and it was money for me. Loved the ballflight and soft landings that it had. Recently replaced it with a HyWood to have better performance off the ground. Old club was 21* and the new one is 18*.