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Everything posted by Undershooter

  1. As for most things fantasy or pick-em, I'm in. Ready for more mediocrity!
  2. Not nearly as deep as the pockets of the Saudis, so I'm not really sure your point?
  3. Phil's tweet actually mentioned all of the tour's major holdings. The cash making up the smallest portion of that, which is mostly the tour's emergency reserve. They used nearly half of it during the pandemic if I remember correctly. Would you suggest an organization of their size not have money saved away to continue operations during times like covid? Players went to liv for fat guaranteed paychecks. This has been discussed extensively over the last hundred pages of the thread. I don't love Jay, but he's hardly comparable to third leg Greg.
  4. What Phil said is true, but where does he think his fat pension will be coming from? They don't just pull that money out of thin air. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hundreds-of-pro-golfers-have-over-1-million-in-their-pga-tour-retirement-accounts-2019-04-24 This article from over 3 years ago states that "Over 600 pro golfers currently have more than $1 million in their retirement plans, and some have significantly more." The large majority of the tour's money is tied up in pensions and properties owned by the TPC network. Tiger may have phrased his loan comments poorly, but the tour did essentially borrow money from their reserves to keep things running. I wouldn't call that a joke when compared to some of the other BS being spouted the last year. Surely you jest haha
  5. Interesting. Break down how tv contracts work, and where liv's money comes from next, please.
  6. 1. What do bots have to do with the tour's purses, and why can't we blame liv for using them? That doesn't make sense. 2. Can you cite your sources on "PGA tour told players there wasn't enough money for increased purses"? Because this article from 1 year ago says the opposite. https://golf.com/news/pga-tour-massive-purse-increases-2022/ Not to mention Monahan announced at the 2020 Players Championship that purses would be going up over the next few years due to their TV deal being finalized.
  7. You realize that liv has been using bots for months for the exact same thing right? Not just twitter btw, but also on FB, Youtube, and IG. I'm not saying that the use of bots is right for either side, but its a bit hypocritical if liv, or their fans have an issue with it after doing it for months.
  8. FIGJAM is struggling to finish in the top half of liv events, yet you think he'd make 50% of his cuts on the PGA tour? He's only finished inside the top 34 on liv twice in 7 events, and his only made cut on the PGA tour this year was at the Sentry TOC. It was a no cut event, and he beat a total of 6 players out of 38. Someone who has struggled to beat more than 14 guys a week in liv events, and less than that in PGAT events isn't likely to have any sustained success on the PGAT. Especially as he continues to age. Phil is a hall of famer and an all time great, but he's not a good competitive golfer anymore. A similar thing can be said about a number of guys on liv.
  9. Oh, I in no way see this partnership getting them points immediately, but I understand why they did it. I'm also not sure what grounds they'd have for a suit, since there is still no way to qualify for liv and there are no 2022 events scheduled on the MENA tour. Even if they did get OWGR points, liv would complain about the max 12 points that developmental tours receive in wins.
  10. Surprised nobody has mentioned the new "strategic alliance" between liv and the MENA Tour. Personally, I don't understand why they did this with a basically semi defunct tour instead of the Asian tour, but I can appreciate the effort. https://twitter.com/jcorrigangolf/status/1577642342164488192?s=20&t=Glh8zvDHfMRlcRUe1dtUNw
  11. He indeed did tell them as much. I'm sure they'd been told Greg's legal sources were top notch. In reality, Greg's legal sources: Trust me bro
  12. According to golf twitter personality and lawyer Will Bardwell, their withdrawals will have virtually no effect on discovery. https://twitter.com/willbardwell/status/1574778002843516929?t=51FVrxCTXmkDpioRGLPLqA&s=19
  13. In fairness, I'd want to get away from Justine as much as possible too.
  14. The new OWGR criteria bring into account the depth of field much more than they used to, so fields can't be as heavily weighted by a couple of top tier players showing up. The middle and bottom end of the field is much more important now than the prior iteration of OWGR. Limited field events also receive a lot less points now too.
  15. Its been mentioned a couple of times, just ignored.
  16. You keep skipping over the fact that all of the events you bring up, have to the ability to be qualified for. Play well enough and you can gain entry to them. There is no way to qualify for liv other than Greg giving you a spot. Not to mention, you are bringing up exceptions to the rule. The events you mention are around 10% of the PGAT schedule. LIV would need an exception for literally every single one of their events, not a couple of them. They don't have a single tournament that follows the OWGR guidelines. Why should an exception be made for their entire business model?
  17. Correct. Unofficial or not, it's recognized by the tour since the late 2000s. Possibly the same year it first received OWGR points, but I could be mistaken there.
  18. The Hero World Challenge waited 9 years to get OWGR points iirc, despite being a PGA tour event. Not to mention, players have the ability to qualify for the event through their OWGR ranking, and then the remainder of the field is filled through sponsors exemptions. There is no qualifying for LIV events via OWGR. Greg chooses his fields. With that said, I don't think the Hero deserves OWGR points. Thanks to the new OWGR system changing how they give points, they'll get very few going forward.
  19. Hahn's entire point of view is extremely short sighted imo. The PGAT is in essence taking care of the little guy by doing what they are, because the little guys have nowhere to go if all the best players leave for liv. The Tour's TV contract crumbles, and the fan support falls off the face of the earth. People don't show up to see the Hahns of the world, they come for the big names. His issue with non-elevated events being made irrelevant with the new schedule doesn't hold a lot of water either, since those events are already pretty irrelevant. 3M, John Deere, Barbasol, and Sanderson for example are all generally snoozers because they lack star power. Keith Mitchell made a great point on the NLU pod by saying, what if you rotated those type of events to "elevated" once every 5 years. The sponsor would get so much more out of that than randomly getting a top 20 player or 2 every couple of years, if their schedule worked out perfectly.
  20. He's a GSE guy, so the likelihood that he went was always pretty high unfortunately.
  21. Do you legitimately think that the 100th ranked golfer in the world is worth the same as the 100th best NFL, NBA or MLB player? Those league's market caps dwarf that of the golf world.
  22. Interesting. None of the names surprise me, except Young. I'll be interested to see if this is a ploy by liv or not. Edit: Young and Hideki are confirmed to not be playing liv Boston by Dylan Dethier.
  23. And he's not been a decent PGAT or EuroT player in years... He's currently 124th in the world which is actually an improvement if you look at the few years before that. He hasn't been a top 50 player in 5 years if I had to guess. Plenty of the guys on liv were once decent players. That doesn't mean they are currently any good.
  24. Increasing purses (which has been the plan for years bc of the new tv contract) has zero effect on liv players rights to play on PGAT. In what world does upping prize money allow suspended players to come back and play? That doesn't even make sense. What's boring, is the repetitiveness of this thread and the misinformation that continues to be spewed on it.
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