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  1. You rocking Miura players irons too? If so, maybe you would benefit from more forgiving clubs?

     

    As I've mentioned in another post, I don't subscribe anymore to the whole "hitting butter knives makes you a better ball striker" thing. I took that advice last year and I lost a whole year of my golf life as a result. Golf is supposed to be fun and scoring is king. Everything else is just ego run amok.

     

    With that said, you know more about golf equipment than I'll ever hope to T. So who am I to tell you what to play? :rolleyes:

  2. FIGJAM is my favorite tour player, but his younger doppelganger Bubba Watson would have been my second choice to win. Very happy for the young man.

     

    The similarities between the two are pretty striking...

     

    - Both are American.

    - Both are lefties.

    - Both are long off the tee.

    - Both have a risk taking, no-fear attitude

    - Both are fan friendly.

    - Both are rocking the long hair/visor combo :D

     

    OK, that last one was a little weak I'll admit....

     

    BTW, Ping had to be doing cartwheels. Regardless of who won the sudden death playoff, a staff player from their stable was going to win.

  3. Saw this discussed in another forum that shall remain nameless but a good topic none the less. I didn't notice that the Ping I20's irons have much higher bounces than the Anser irons or even the I15's. I was thinking about getting the I20's but found a spanking deal on a previously hit set of I15's (didn't even consider the Anser set due to their higher price). Now I'm glad I did. Being a sweeper, I definitely will benefit from the lower bounce of the I15's - especially in the short irons.

     

    For comparison purposes:

     

    i20â„¢ Iron Specifications

     

    Bounce

     

    3 4°

    4 5°

    5 6°

    6 7°

    7 8°

    8 9°

    9 10°

    PW 12°

    UW 13°

    SW 14°

    LW 13°

     

     

    i15® Iron Specifications

     

    Bounce

     

    3 -2.7°

    4 -1.8°

    5 0.8°

    6 2.8°

    7 5.0°

    8 6.0°

    9 8.0°

    PW 9.0°

    UW 10.0°

     

    That's not to say you couldn't take advantage of Ping's excellent WRX option and get bounce grinds on the I20's. But I'm not sure many consumers would know to do that unless they paid close attention to the specification differences.

  4. Until you have been to a Metallica or Trans Siberian Orchestra concert, you do not really understand the concept of loud. I used to have a Cobra 440SZ and I loved the sound. We know all you sophisticated golfers love your muted drivers, player's irons, six wedge sets and all that other stuff. However, as the unofficial spokesman for the redneck/NASCAR contingent, I say..... embrace your shovels, here are your two wedges and learn to like them, and when you select a driver.....CRANK IT UP!!! :P

     

    Hey Phana, so are you representing the Neckcar loving, Confederate Flag flying, Joe the Plumber, Super Game Improvement wielding segment on the forum now? B)

     

    If so, more power to you my brother. Half my family tree lives south of the Mason Dixon line.

     

    BTW, long time no talk. Hope you and your family are doing well.

  5. You know the answer: the one that fits you.

     

    Anecdotally, I've seen people hit the RBZ and the XTD stoopid long. In the coming weeks, I'll be posting my own thoughts on the RBZ line. Hoping that I might get a chance to have a comparison between the RBZ and the Tour Edge XCG5. Might spend some launch monitor time with the XTD too.

     

    Hey new Ping guy, sneak the K15 in there also. Golfspy T's review on this site spoke highly of it but I'd be very curious how it compares to the others. ;)

     

    The XCG5 is the more forgiving model in the Exotics line, right? As a mid-handicapper, not sure I have the swing to hit the CB4 - even the 4 wood.

  6. I'll admit it - I'm a driver ho. I've rarely gone through a season with at least one new club and driver is probably the one club in my bag I change the most. I'm currently gaming the Cleveland Launcher DST but over the years, I've tended to favor Ping as my manufacturer of choice having owned for one or more seasons the Ping TISI, TISI Tec, Si3, G2, G5, and G10. So, after the reading the largely positive reviews on the g20, I was intrigued enough to take a demo club out for a spin at my home course.

     

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    PROS

     

    The first I noticed about the G20 was the odd aiming aid on the crown. Not a huge fan of the look (I believe MGS said it was Klingon-like) but it is effective. Other than that, nothing else particularly crazy going on at address and that's what I prefer. Taylormade can keep the "Stay Puft Marshmallow on a Stick" look all to themselves.

     

    The demo I played had the stock TFC shaft and I was surprised how firm it felt at the stated flex. That has not been the case in the past with some of the other Ping G-Series drivers where the stock shafts have been a little "whippy" to the point where I've been forced to move up a flex or opt for an alternative shaft because I'm in between flexes.

     

    At impact, the G20 feels solid. I wasn't a fan of the sound (more on that later), but I liked how the ball felt coming off the face at impact. I think feel is a bit overrated in drivers and results matter most. But, I thought Ping did a good job in this area with the G20.

     

    When struck reasonably well, ball flight for me with the 10.5 degree loft was a medium penetrating trajectory with a slight draw and a fair amount of roll. Trajectory wise, that was pretty consistent compared to my current driver and I prefer it given the fact that wind is often an issue here in the Chicago area. Before I purchase the G20, I'd go through a fitting to find the right set of specs but I wouldn't be shocked if the 12 degree resulted in more distance and less spin.

     

    The best thing I liked about the G20 was how straight and forgiving it was. I felt I could really go after it on a long par 5 and not risk hitting the ball out of bounds or in the opposite fairway. My ball flight didn't vary more than 10 yards on either side. And that is somewhat unusual for me. I can be wild off the tee at times.

     

    CONS

     

    Ping has departed in a major way from the sound characteristics of some of their previous models. Quite frankly, having skipped the G15, I was shocked at the aluminum bat sound at impact. If it was a blind test, I would have sworn I was hitting something from Nike or Cobra... definitely not a Ping.

     

    The G20 was also longer compared to the Launcher DST but not drastically so. Distance would not be a defining factor in my decision to purchase this club.

     

    I like the red and black color combination but the sole graphics are a bit much. But that is something I've come to expect from Ping. Fortunately, it isn't visible at address.

     

    FINAL WORD

     

    As you can probably tell, overall, I liked the Ping G20 Driver. I'd love it if it didn't sound like a soup can exploding at impact. B)

     

    Despite that, I'm leaning towards putting it in the bag at some point this season mainly due to it's forgiveness. I play some tight courses here and keeping the ball in the fairway is paramount. And that is something the G20 does very, very well.

  7. I've had a set of Ping irons in my bag (with the exception of last year) since 1991. Guys who play Pings know you don't have anyone other than Ping bend them. Once anybody adjusts them other than Ping, the warranty is voided. And the re-sale value will be impacted. So, limits on what a local shop can do or can't do is really immaterial.

     

    I agree with you on the $1,500 sets. You can still custom order a set of new Ping Eye 2 Plus irons from the factory so I don't see the point in investing that much in an old pristine never hit set unless you're going to put them in a collection.

     

    You obviously prefer forged over cast and that's fine. Leave the Ping questions to guys who have played them rather than spouting what you've read via a Google search. ;)

  8. No one company holds their value more then another honestly the Mizuno MP series might have a larger market of Ping i20 as they are forged not cast, can be easily adjust for anyone that buys them. You can bend the pings but maybe only 1* or 2* before snapping the hosel clean off the head they are cast, so you might have an issue with them spinning back into the cast position over time.

     

    Wrong on both points.

     

    Ping clubs do hold their value longer. Ping has an extremely loyal fan base and a very active gray market. Anybody who has bought and sold clubs for any length of time knows this. There are 20+ year old sets of Ping Eye 2's selling for hundreds of dollars and that's something you just don't see with the other manufacturers. I recently saw a pristine, never hit set on eBay with an asking price of $2K. I've personally purchased sets, used them for a couple of years, and then sold them for more than what I originally paid.

     

    Also, Ping heads can certainly be bent more than 1* or 2*. There is a chart on their website that indicates how much they will bend each model and I believe some can be bent as much as 5*.

  9. Hope you got the "Smith family discount" on that bag Matt. They put you in their most expensive product line. The retail prices on those wedges alone even made me wince and I'm a Ping fan. ;)

     

    I'm slowly putting a Ping bag back together myself after playing most of last year with a bag sporting some of the spoils from our first months on the forum. My Bridgestone blades were the first to go in favor of I15's.

     

    I paired those up with Tour-W wedges although I'm oddly intrigued by the Eye2 XG's. Yeah I know... don't ask me why I'm drawn to them. Aside from the Guyson finish (which I love), they are fugly at address and the sand wedge has way too much offset. I guess it's mostly because I never bagged Eye 2's back in the day. Anyway, I might try to find a gently used set to give them a try. But, in the end, I'll probably stick with the Tour-W's.

     

    BTW, Matt S. playing with an off the rack major OEM putter? Now I know the apocalypse is upon us...

  10. While I won't go so far as to say that I'm necessarily in favor of standard lofts for everybody (actually, maybe I am), for a club that's not being billed as Game Improvement, the 44 degree pitching wedge is a little bit obscene.

     

    Problem is, distance sells, so you can't blame the OEMs. Unless they all stop doing it, everybody has to in order to compete for the dollars of the geniuses that haven't figured out that 1) distance is inconsequential for irons 2) Even if it's not, you're not really getting any real distance gains since really all we're doing is changing the number on the sole.

     

    Interestingly, several OEMs that offer jacked-up lofts talk about how even if it's spec'd out like a traditional 6 iron, ball flight is true to what you'd expect from a 7 iron (higher softer landing), it just goes farther.

     

    Wouldn't it be sweet if there were universal standards for loft, length, and flex? Until then, I think maybe i'll put a 46" shaft in my 42 degree pitching wedge, and talk about how much longer my custom irons are.

     

    Thanks for the welcome T. I do appreciate it.

     

    I have another theory on the whole loft trend. I think it's a conspiracy by the manufacturers to cross sell clubs in other categories.

     

    For instance, I think a fair number of consumers still purchase sets with 4 irons and end up not being able to hit them because of the reduced lofts. So they put the long iron(s) in the closet and go out and spend more $$$ on hybrids to augment their set, driving up sales in that category.

     

    Also, the huge gap between the 44* pitching wedges and most sand wedges dictate a gap wedge, which really was less of a need when PW lofts were 47* or even 46*. That adds another club to a standard set, which drives up the price. Or it requires the purchase of a separate gap wedge.

     

    Now, pardon me while I go make my tin foil hat...

  11. Heh. It's not like I don't understand their cost vs market ratio choices on that matter but it's not really a winning sentiment either.

    I do have to say that Callaway or Garmin really seems to be the best for us, at least out West. Everyone else is ho hum. Don't join the ho hum group Motorola.

     

    I honestly don't know how many courses in Canada are supported Tuna and I forgot to ask. But, I will attempt to find out for you. BTW, I really was kidding about the Canada thing. I have some friends who are Canadian and we give each other grief all the time over our country allegiances and differences in culture. For instance, I still haven't acquired a full appreciation for the sport of hockey (gasp). So don't take it the wrong way. ;)

  12. So, at the risk of sounding biased, I came away really liking the MOTOACTV Golf Edition during my session with it. Tons of bells and whistles that you can enable or disable so you can pretty much gather as much data during the round as you care to -- yardage, scorecard stats, shot tracking, specific club distances, etc. It isn't a small device on the wrist (a compromise due to the size of the screen) but I really stopped noticing it after the first couple of holes. I think you could also strap it to your bag if having something on the wrist is an issue.

     

    Yardage, for the course we played on, was spot on. Someone in my group compared it to their GPS and the yardages matched. I also thought the yardages were accurate based on my normal distances and the resulting shots. Acquisition was quick. I didn't spend enough time on the website after my data was uploaded but the shot tracking superimposed on the satellite course imagery was super cool.

     

    Bottom line - pretty damn good golf device. And if you do other sports like running, cycling, etc. and like to listen to music during them then it's even more cost effective because, unlike competing products, the MOTOACTV supports multiple sports. If you don't believe me (and I understand), go on Amazon and read the reviews from other people who have used it for various activities. It's getting pretty decent reviews.

  13. Played a round with my i15's last weekend. On a par 3, I'm embarrassed to say I hit about an inch behind the ball off the tee with my 7 iron. But, much to my surprise, my ball still made it over the water and just left of the green about 10 yards short. That would have NEVER happened with my Bridgestone J40's. Bottom line - I still continue to amazed at how forgiving these irons are. Ping has really done themselves proud with the last couple of iterations of the I-series. Big thumbs up.

  14. I haven't hit the I20's, but if they are anything like my I15's then I would strongly recommend them. I've found they are surprisingly forgiving for a players iron - especially in the progressive long irons, which I've always struggled with in other player sets.

     

    One other thing... don't fall into the trap of going with forged blades too early... with the misconception that it will improve your ball striking. I think that's a load of hooey. Practice improves your ball striking but it takes time and going with an iron that is appropriate for your handicap will make the game more enjoyable.

  15. Agreed. Checking out new equipment is the most fun you can have with your clothes on while not on the course. Buying is another matter...

     

    For me it's about balancing want vs. need. I WANT a new set of irons. I NEED to put a new roof on the house...

     

    On the plus side, info learned here has helped me convince my wife that my WANT is also a NEED. She's a good woman...

     

    Case in point.. took my newly acquired i15 Ping irons out for a spin today for the first time. It's been a while since I've had that much offset in my irons. As a result, I hooked more than a few shots and it cost me. But, overall, the added forgiveness helped. I also stuck a 5 iron to about 3 feet on a flushed shot from the first cut of rough. It's been a while since I've done that.

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