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I would like to thank My Golf Spy and Shot Scope for the opportunity to be a tester for the Shot Scope Pro LX+. THis is my second testing opportunity for the Forum. Last year I tested the Evnroll ER11v putter. I was interested in this test as I had a free trial of the Arccos Caddie last year for being a Ping club owner. I also have a Mileseey range finder. I am really hoping to find something that just works and offers good value for money. I have been an off and on golfer since my mid-20s, after getting out of the Army in the late 80s. I was born and raised in the San Francisco Bay Area and grew up across the street from a golf course, but I never played the game as a kid. I once came home from school to find a broken bedroom window and a golf ball on my bed. That golf course was Sharp Park Golf Course in Pacifica, CA. It was designed by Alister MacKenzie. The first course I ever played a full 18 holes on though was Harding Park. That was well before it was managed by the Arnold Palmer Company and before it became a TPC site and host to the PGA Championship.
My professional life started in the US Army where I was trained to maintain and repair medical equipment. I got out of the army and joined a medical imaging equipment manufacturer where I worked for 31 years. That company had moved me all over the U.S. My first move took me from California to Connecticut for several years. It was in CT that I recorded my one and only eagle. It was in league play, and it was a pitch in on a par 5 on the 9th hole at Grassy Hills Country Club in Orange, CT. Work then moved back across country to the Seattle area. There were several courses I enjoyed playing in Washington. Walter Hall in Everett, WA was my home course. In 2018, my wife and I moved cross country again to be closer to family. This time to Central New York, just outside of Syracuse. In 2019 my job changed and joined the ranks of semi-retirement which now allows me more regular golf, weather permitting as I am fair weather golfer.
My current home course is Radisson Greens in Baldwinsville, NY. It is an 18-hole par 72 course at 6360 yards from the white tees. The course was designed by Robert Trent Jones, Sr. I have a Monday through Thursday membership there and I get out a couple of times a week. The course is very challenging, but I love the layout. It is tree lined and tight in spots.
I play golf because I enjoy being out walking the course and if good scores come then it is a bonus. I also am an equipment junkie. I remember reading Golf Equipment Magazine (one of those paper things that was out before the internet). If I had the means, I would probably be a putter collector. I just love the aesthetics of good golf equipment I am a fan of BB and F Co. ferrules and installed some on my wedges. I also have a small collection of third party designed headcovers, mostly Rose & Fire with a couple of Scotty Cameron’s thrown in for good measure.
On the equipment front, my first set of clubs was a Wilson box set with wooden woods. From there my bag make up has changed but my woods have seen the most changes. I have rotated through a lot of TaylorMade Divers and fairway woods, but I eventually switched to Ping. My Ping G400 Max was the first time I was fitted for a club, and I have yet to find a reason to change it. My iron history is small starting with Dunlop DDH II, TaylorMade Super Steel. My irons are Ping G25 4- UW (I won these through work). I did have some PXG 0211 irons but found that the Ping G25s were better in the wet conditions of the start of the season and have not switched back. Earlier this year I had a Ping G410 Crossover 4 in my bag and during a round I noticed the head was twisting on the shaft so off it went to Ping for repair. It has since been returned but I am hitting the G25 4 iron much too well to remove it from my bag. The PXG clubs entered my bag mostly because of price. The For Heroes Program PXG offers was just too good of a deal to pass up. The PXG 0341 3 wood is the best performing 3 wood I have ever had in the bag. My wedges have either been Cleveland or Callaway. Now I have two Callaway wedges in there. A Mack Daddy CB 54° and a Callaway MD3 58°. My putter history was primarily Anser style putters. They include two TaylorMade putters the last being the Rossa Daytona 1. I gamed Odyssey Metal X Milled #2 but I did not like the feel of it. It was a My Golf Spy review and Most Wanted win that led me to trying Evnroll putters for the first time. I ended up with a mallet putter for the first time when I purchased the ER7. I was initial attract to the idea of a higher MOI putter but really like the feel and consistency of the roll the ER7 gave me. I tested the Evnroll ER11v putter last year for the forum and that putter has found permanent hope in my bag. Evnroll ER11v Official Review
I am also a member of the “Pushcart Mafia” with a Clicgear 3.5+ pushcart. This probably the single best golf accessory item I have ever owned.
What’s in my bag?
Bag: TaylorMade Supreme Hybrid Stand Bag
Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5° set to 9.9°
Shaft: Ping Alta CB Regular Flex
Grip: Golf Pride CPX
3 Wood: PXG Gen 1 0341 15° set to 16°
Shaft: Project X Even Flow Blue 5.5
Grip: Golf Pride MCC Plus 4 Teams
Hybrid: Ping G30 19°
Shaft: Ping TFC 419H Regular Flex
Grip: Golf Pride MCC Plus 4 Teams
Irons: Ping G25 4- UW
Shafts: Ping CFS Regular Flex
Grip: Ping 5L
Wedges: Callaway Mack Daddy CB 54°/14°
Shaft: KBS 105 Hi Rev 2.0 Wedge Flex
Grip: Callaway Golf Pride SG-1
Callaway MD3 58°/9° W Grind
Shaft: w/True Temper Dynamic Gold
Grip: Golf Pride Tour Velvet 360
Putter: Evnroll ER11v 34”
Grip: Evnroll non-taper 1.2
Bushnell NEO Ion GPS watch
Snell MTB or Maxfli Tour
Final Review August 22, 2022
First Impressions (5 out of 5 Stars)
Firstly, thanks to My Golf Spy for this opportunity to test the Shot Scope Pro LX+. This product caught my attention because of functionality and the price. I was very interested in the value for money offered by this product. My points of reference for what the Pro LX+ have to offer are my Mileseey PF210 laser rangefinder, my Bushnell Neo iON GPS watch and a 45-day free trial of the Arccos Caddie that I had last year. These items in a nutshell cover the range of what the Pro LX+ brings to the course.
The Pro LX+ (for $349.99) is made up from 2 products offered by Shot Scope. The Shot Scope Pro LX Rangefinder (for $249.99) and the H4 Handheld GPS with shot tracking (for 149.99). You get a $50 savings purchasing the Pro LX+. For me though the most compelling part of this package was the shot tracking that can be achieved without an annual subscription. The current Arccos subscription price is $155.88. Arccos breaks it down as $12.99 a month billed annually.
The Pro LX+ can be part of a round of golf in several configurations. You can combine the Pro LX rangefinder and the H4 GPS. They can function separately of course. The Pro LX rangefinder has slope and non-slope measurements, two readout colors, red or black, can display yards or meters and two modes, golf mode and continuous scan mode. It vibrates when the target is locked on. The GPS offers 3 modes, GPS, GPS + Track and Track. The magnet on the device allows it to be mounted in the holder or on any ferrous metal piece such as cart. I didn’t find it practical to use it other than on in the holder on my belt for shot tracking. I only used the H4 once without shot tracking.
To start you charge the H4 with the included proprietary cable, connect it to the phone app, perform a firmware update, install the tags on your clubs, (they just simply screw into the grip) and build you bag to identify each club by brand and model. Each tag is marked for each club with two additional tags, X1 and X2.
Then to use just hit the power on button and then press it again to acquire the measurement. The H4 comes to life when you press the upper left button once powered up select the mode you want. For me it was usually GPS + Tracking. Then the device hunts for the GPS and the courses nearby. Simply select the course and you are ready to go. When I the tee box tag your club and enjoy your round. When the round is finished you simply exit your round. In order get your shot metrics just turn on the device and connect the device to your smartphone app. Select sync and the H4 will upload the round for you. Once uploaded to the app you can then edit and sign your round, Editing is straight forward. Select the hole and review your shots. You do this for each hole. You can also insert changes such as penalty strokes. For me, this is usually the 3rd hole of my home course. It’s a long narrow par 5 with thick trees down the left and water all along the right. The water fronts the green as well. Once you complete editing you “sign” your round. The metrics then get uploaded to your Shot Scope account where you can then view them either on the smartphone app or online.
Aesthetics (5 out of 5 Stars)
The overall design of the product is nice. The laser rangefinder looks nice and fits very comfortably in my hand. The color screen of the H4 is easy to read and navigate through. I do like it much better than my Neo iON GPS golf watch. The belt clip for the H4 works better than expected. I was concerned that the device would fall out of the holder. This happened to me twice. Once on a green when bending down to pick up my ball and once when riding. I did become extra cautious though when riding and kept it in my pocket for the remainder of the round. I did feel it would be bad form to lose it during the review process. The case for the rangefinder has a nice look to it as well. Not like the Mileseey which reminds me of a Bushnell knock off. The smartphone app works well.
The Numbers 5 out of 5 stars)
The numbers were very consistent when compared to my current devices. The H4 for was seemed to always be within 3 yards of my Bushnell GPS watch. And there was some discrepancy between the Pro LX rangefinder and Mileseey PF210 usually within 3 yards. But the Shot Scope consistently found the target more quickly. To be fair though the Mileseey PF210 was only $81 on an Amazon “Black Friday” purchase.
The setup of the device is easy and straight forward. The packaging includes a user guide with Q code that you point you’re your phone’s camera at and it will link you to the set-up procedures which includes a quick set up guide, app download and video tutorials. Do all this setup a Shot Scope account and you are ready to begin. The H4 charged in just under an hour. I did get about four 9 hole rounds out of a charge which was similar to my Bushnell Neo iON. I tend to be a battery watcher and probably could have gotten more out of it possibly. I did like that the device’s battery level indicator would change colors as the battery level depleted. Just another indicator which was nice. The Pro LX rangefinder has a simple set up as well. Pop in the included battery, select the mode and the display color.
On-Course (4 out of 5 stars)
The laser rangefinder is simple to use and locks onto the target more quickly than the Mileseey. I am a glasses wearer, and I had an issue with seeing a white halo around the field of view through the rangefinder while it doesn’t hinder performance it is noticeable. I also do not have the steadiest of hands and the device would take a few attempts to lock onto the flag. I have this issue with the Mileseey as well.
The H4’s tracking is reliant on the operator to remember to tag the clubs. I was guilty of being too chatty sometimes on the course and would forget to tag the club I was using. But with the H4 on my belt it became routine to tag the club. It also was nice that the magnetic device on the GPS made it easier to mark the flag. I only had the H4 pop out of its holder twice during the review period. I am primarily a walker but did ride once and the H4 did mount to the post on the cart nicely but if you are shot tracking, I don’t find that to be practical. I also never mounted the H4 to the Pro LX range finder which looks like a nice feature but once again if you are shot tracking not practical. I don’t use the laser rangefinder on every shot. Mostly I use it on par 3 holes and when I am within 120 yards of the green. Anything more then I use the GPS
The H4 is very straight forward to use but it did have issues around the greens. It would very often think I was putting when I was off the green chipping and getting to think otherwise is an issue. On my most recent round it had this problem on 4 consecutive holes. On the 5th consecutive hole, it never thought I was on the green even after tagging my putter. All in all, I did like using the H4 for tracking. I would rate this over the Arccos for two reasons, shot tagging and annual subscription. The Arccos required you to carry your phone for shot detection and would often miss shots and then I had to ‘earn” my ability to use it with my Apple watch. They did come out with a purchasable Link but that is $150. Any shots missed by the H4 would be purely my fault. Shot Scope is adding metrics. During this test I received an email that they added “Shots Plotted”. With H4 just purchase the device and without any annual subscription or additional hardware you can track your shots and get your performance metrics.
The Good, the bad, the in between (3 out of 5 stars)
The good is very good. You get a lot for $349. A good laser rangefinder, a very good GPS and shot tracking with metrics without an annual subscription. For me the bad is the white halo in rangefinders viewer and the fact that my shakiness sometimes causes issues with acquiring the flag but for the price of the rangefinder, stabilization would certainly up the price. The other bad and probably the biggest bad is the H4’s getting confused around the greens at times. Some rounds that’s often others not so much. The in between is another me problem if I’m being honest, “remember to tag your clubs!” I also really enjoy the medal feature of the smartphone app.
Play it or Trade it? (5 out of 5 stars)
The Pro LX+ will remain in my bag as I find it better than the products I had prior to this test. The laser rangefinder fits more comfortably in my hand, the GPS tracker display is superior to the Bushnell Neo iOn and the shot tracking does not require a subscription. Any missed shots are due to the operator and not the vagaries of the device as with the Arccos.
I would have zero hesitation recommending the Shot Scope Pro LX+ to anyone interested in knowing their yardage and wanting on course metrics. It is easy to use and does not detract from your enjoyment of the game. The Pro LX+ package gives metrics to improve your game. For me it really comes down to “Value for Money”.
Final Score (27 out of 30 stars)
Follow up 8/30/2022
I played a couple of rounds since posting my review and had experienced for the first time the H4 not recognizing that I was on the green. Usually it finds the green before I need it. It seemed to have an easier time finding the green if I walked to the middle of the green and stood there for a bit. Will keep watching this. 🤔
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Precision Pro NX10 Official Review
i am a 48 year old male that lives in Hawaii on the island of Maui. I am able to play 2 times a week all year, so I get in about 100 rounds a year. I play off a 11-13 handicap with a goal of getting to single digit.
I currently use the Caddytec rangefinder from Costco. So I will be testing how the NX10 compares to a rangefinder half the price.
First Impression 5/5
The fist thing that I noticed was the quality of the packaging. The box is very grim and sturdy. The rangefinder is secured in a foam to avoid any damage during shipping. Incudes is a case, stickers , and information on how to register the device and request a replacement battery, a Precision Pro perk.
The Precision Pro NX10 is a classic looking rangefinder. What separates this from the rest is the customization. There are ”shells” that can be easily swapped. From some popular YouTube/podcasts to college football are some of the options.
FullSizeRender.MOV The Numbers 5/5
The numbers were spot on. I seen only a couple yards give or take compared to the other rangefinder I was using, and what I would have expected from where I was on the course in relation to the pin or hazard I was measuring to.
On The Course 4/5
The Precision Pro worked well on the course, but not perfect. The magnet on the side made it very convenient to access, but it did fall off the cart a couple times going over bumps. Also it did miss the pin sometimes and would give the distance to something behind. Not a huge issue as it was pretty obvious and just had to remeasure, but it did happen enough to take note of.
The Good, Bad, and In Between 4/5
Good: It is accurate and very easy to use. Built with quality and the option to change the skin is gun. The scope is well zoomed in, and the button to measure is easy to press which makes it easy to use.
Bad: Not really a anything that I would consider bad.
In Between: The magnet makes it convenient, but need to be aware that it can fall off the cart. The slope adjusted yardage is on the top and the non adjusted is on the bottom and bigger so need to pay attention to the readings. Vibrates on all yardage readings not only when locking on the pin.
Keep or Trade 5/5
The Precision Pro NX10 is definitely a keeper. From the first impression to using the device I was impressed. I felt I was using a top quality device, and although not perfect it did deliver a quality experience.
The Precision Pro NX10 is a quality device that delivers in performance as well. The option to customize the skin makes it unique in a rangefinder market that is pretty much all the same. With a mid range price you can get all the performance and options as the big names give you. Plus free batteries!
Final Score 28/30
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I really love that MGS gets these opportunities to share with our golfing community. Thank you for your hard work on this great forum.
About me and my golf:
I play golf in the Northeast which means I get about 6 months of consistent golf but I fit in some winter rounds if the weather is right. I always say, “I’ll play in the wind, cold or rain but none of them at the same time.”
I have been seriously golfing since 2011. I started at age 15 and played almost every day of the summer that year and then stopped and only played a handful of times in the 25 years after. Now I play about 4 times a week and try to practice frequently but I play more than practice often.
I’m fairly analytical and have always strived for proper mechanics and good ball striking; Self taught??? with help from books, forums and youtube videos. I am pretty athletic with good body awareness so I have been able to generate decent speed in the past but father time is slowing me down a little. Usually if I am having swing problems I can get a "youtube lesson" and see what I am doing and correct it.
I will be testing the Precision Pro NX10 against my current Bushnell V4 and the phone gps.
I use a Bushnell V4 and Golfshot GPS app for yardages. 98% of the time I use V4 for my yardages. GPS for layups, blind shots and overhead view of unfamiliar courses. I will compare the speed of picking up the flag and differences in distances between the NX10 and V4. Also whether or not the slope is better than my guess work on club selection. I’m also very interested in the optical quality and stability when lasering flags.
I will keep the NX10 in the bag if it is quick and easy to use and provides a better user experience. The slope will probably win me over though. The V4 is fairly generic and straight forward unit and could easily be bested.
I am hope this unit has some interesting surprises in functionality
The packaging appears attractive, well thought out and with nice graphics. The box was easy to open and protected the device more than adequately with foam. The unit feels lighter than the current Bushnell V4 I use Carrying case is very stout and would easily protect the device if the bag was handled roughly NX10 Review:
Out of the gate the NX10 was a joy to use. It seemed a little light in the hands initially when I got it out of the box but after weighing it compared to my V4, it was actually heavier. My consensus was that I was used to using a rangefinder that had a silicone sleeve on it which gave it a different feel. One of the things I noticed right away was how fast it locked on to targets. I would barely pull it out of the sleeve and it was vibrating while locking on to whatever it was pointed at in your hands. This was really nice but the one caveat is the acquisition button. The button was very touchy and engaged very easily which really wasn't a big deal with the performance, just the aesthetics of the button. I would have liked to have a little more positive feel on the button but that's my preference. One of the more appreciated abilities of the NX10 was that it was very sensitive to what you were shooting at. Much more sensitive than my V4. The targets were easily to see, and the laser locked onto just about everything you pointed at. Switching to tournament mode was a slide of a button quick and easy and yards and meters are of course available.
The magnetic cart holder built-in to the unit was surprisingly strong. I didn't get to use it in action but tried it on a cart that was available. Also, the ability to change the skins will be nice for people who want to personalize the unit. Changing the skins is easy, just two Allen head screws (wrench was also provided) and the side is attached via magnets. I wasn't too interested in the offerings for skins but you can make your own personal skin on the website if you are into that. I would have liked a silicone skin option for more grip.
Another nice quality of the NX10 was the battery door. The battery door on my V4 screws and unscrews with precision threads which at times are very difficult to line up. This precision may be able to keep more water out of the unit but I prefer the slide off cover like the NX10. An added benefit with the NX10 are free lifetime batteries and by the looks of it so far you won't need to use that very often.
The website touts high definition optics and I believe that they deliver. Much better than my current unit. I have used it to look ahead at golfers in front of me to see what's going on and it was very clear, this clarity is very nice. I really appreciate that part of it. This is one of the features that makes this unit a keeper. I did however find it slightly awkward to look at the slope yardages with my eye against the unit. The display of the slope was at the upper right hand side of the optics and strained my eye to look at it. You would think that the optic is small enough that it would be unlikely but it is a small thing that I noticed. Normal yardage, battery indicator and target acquisition circle was very clear and easy to see.
20220821_154520.mp4 Very difficult to record through the optics through a phone.
Overall, the unit met or exceeded all expectations. I look forward to putting it in play on a regular basis. As far as a laser rangefinder this unit had no cons, just minor issues like the slope display location in the optics and the, for lack of a better term, cheapish feeling button. The NX10 performed flawlessly in all the normal duties of a rangefinder and excelled in some like target acquisition and optics.
Looks & Feel (out of 10 points) : 8
Setup (out of 15 points) : 10
Accuracy (out of 15 points) : 15
On-Course ( out of 30 points) : 28
Play it or Trade it? (out of 20 points): 19
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Precision Pro NX10 - Official MGS Forum Review by ChitownM2
First off I wanted to say thank you to MGS and Precision Pro for giving me the opportunity to review the new NX10 Rangefinder. This will be my third review for MGS as I was lucky enough to be selected to review the Hogan VKTR+ hybrid in fall of 2020 and the Maxfli Tour balls in fall of 2021. I was excited to be chosen for this test since my rangefinder is by far the oldest thing in my bag.
As a 20 handicap golfer, my game is definitely a work in progress. I’m 42 years old and have been golfing since my teens but never really took it seriously until the last couple years. I'm fortunate enough to be able to play a round most weekends and play in a 9 hole league on Monday nights which ended a couple weeks ago. Since I have a pretty limited amount of time for golf, I end up treating my rounds as a sort of competitive practice for myself. It’s good in that I'm getting out enough I see glimmers of my potential, but I know that without actual dedication to a routine practice schedule I'll never achieve the scores I'd like to shoot.
On the course I use a variety of different devices for getting my distances. The primary one I use is my Bushnell Tour V2 which I've had since it was new back in 2008 or 2009. It's the "standard" model with no slope capabilities. I use it on all par 3s and every approach shot where I have an expectation of hitting to the green. I also have a Garmin S40 watch that I use when I don't have a direct line of sight to the flag (say in the trees or the next fairway over 😉) or on par 5 holes where I'm trying to decide what club to use for my 2nd shot based on what it will leave me to the green. Finally, I'm an Arccos user and will often use their app on my phone if I want to know what it will take to carry some water or a particular trap from wherever I may be.
Going into the review I was targeting two items to evaluate. The first being how much easier/faster a 15 year newer rangefinder locks onto pins and secondly, how helpful the slope function really is.
First Impressions (5 of 5)
I received the rangefinder and was immediately impressed. The packaging is very solid and visually appealing. It is exactly what you've come to expect from other high end electronic devices like cell phones.
Precision Pro was generous enough to offer each of the testers their choice of 2 custom skins for the rangefinder which I think is a great touch because it allows us to customize the device to our tastes. The devices shipped to us with one of our choices pre-installed in lieu of the standard skin and the second shipped in the retail package. In addition to the rangefinder, the NX10 comes with a handy carrying case and a paper copy of the instruction manual which is something I really appreciate in 2022 since inserting a piece of paper telling you to go download it somewhere seems to be the norm. Also included is a 10% off coupon for a future purchase as well as some stickers and a microfiber for cleaning the lenses. Overall, I think they've included everything you could need so you aren't stuck spending more money to buy additional accessories.
Right out of the box I felt like the NX10 has just the right amount of heft to make it easy to keep stable in your hand without being heavy. It also picks up the flags extremely quickly and provides some haptic feedback to let you know you've hit the flag. Distances to objects shot from my yard were spot on and within 1 yard of my older Bushnell.
Aesthetics (5 of 5)
As already mentioned, I’m a big fan of the interchangeable skins for this rangefinder. This is probably one of the few and most fun customization options being offered by anyone in the accessory space that I’m aware of. The side skin fits securely to the device and is held in place by magnets so it can be easily swapped,but I never had any issues with the skin inadvertently coming loose during my time using the device. The front skin (around the lens & laser) is held in place by two hex screws and the tool to remove them is included in the package which is a nice touch. I had no trouble swapping either of the skins; the side can be done in seconds, while the front takes less than 5 minutes from start to finish.
As for the other attributes of the rangefinder, it’s standard in every other way and that is a good thing. It fits comfortably in my hand and feels solid while using it. Build quality is top notch and I’m sure that if treated properly, I’ll get a decade of use out of this just like my previous Bushnell.
The Numbers (5 of 5)
I ended up playing 6 rounds with the rangefinder along with a range session and used it extensively during those times. Not once did it ever return a number that made me second guess it. Every distance it produced was within 1 yard of the number my old Bushnell Tour V2 gave and consistent with what my S40 watch & Arccos were telling me. I will say my local range should pick one up and use it to update the distances they have posted in each hitting bay 🤣.
Living in Illinois I don’t get to play any courses with big elevation changes but for the few holes where it mattered, the slope function did prove useful. There were a few occasions where I thought the hole was further up-hill than it really was and probably would have clubbed up unnecessarily if the slope reading hadn’t told me that it was only adding 4 or 5 yards.
On-Course (5 of 5)
As a player that is accustomed to using a laser rangefinder, the transition to using the NX10 was instantaneous. My pre-shot routine was exactly the same and I was able to keep the device in the same location in my bag since the size was very similar to my old unit.
The overall button layout is intuitive and I was able to find the “ON” button without fumbling or looking.
The Good, the bad, the in between (3 of 5)
There is a lot to love with this rangefinder. It’s easy to use, feels great in your hand, provides accurate readings and is a fantastic value at $280. With that said, it is not perfect. The built in magnets are powerful as advertised, but perhaps not as strong as I’d like them to be. Late last season I bought a case for my Bushnell that includes two magnets as I was envious of that feature on newer models, but after 2 rounds I found that the magnets on the strap were not powerful enough and had the rangefinder fall off the cart twice after driving over some large bumps at speed. Those magnets are probably twice as powerful as the ones on the NX10 so I don’t have a ton of confidence that it would never fall off and get damaged.
I also have two other minor gripes with the NX10. The first is the lack of indication on whether you have hit the pin. My old bushnell used to display a ring around the pin when you had hit the flag rather than a tree or other object in the background.
The second item is the lack of a loop or other option to tether the device that my Bushnell had. It seems trivial, but I’ve had a long strap connected to it since the beginning and it makes it easier to grab out of a bag and/or catch it when it starts sliding off the passenger seat while riding in the cart.
Finally, while it doesn’t affect me personally, if you play competitively in events where the slope function is not permitted, it can be turned off, but it is not as apparent to other players that it has been disabled as it is on devices from other manufacturers.
Play it or Trade it? (5 of 5)
For me, the Precision Pro NX10 will definitely be going in my bag. It does everything that the device it is replacing does and then some. The few negatives I have are really just nit-picks or a non-issue for me and are far outweighed by the positives and the style it brings to my bag.
The Precision Pro NX10 is a great rangefinder for the cost and offers dozens of options for customization. It works as expected and is very accurate and although it isn’t perfect, I couldn’t imagine paying double for a bigger name brand device that does the same thing.
Final Score (28 of 30)
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THANKS TO PRECISION PRO AND MGS for this opportunity! Somehow my name was selected out of over 5,500 entries for this test. I am super excited to provide some excellent feedback to everyone.
I’ve been active on MyGolfSpy since January 2020 and this forum has been a great place for me to communicate and listen to others into all aspects of golf. I am a golf ho and am always buying, selling and trying new clubs and accessories. It’s nice to be able to share my opinions and thoughts here, the communication between all members is great.
I’m 64 and have been playing golf just over 42 years. I played my first 9 holes at a local course that was worse than a cow pasture with some guys that I worked with using borrowed clubs. I was immediately hooked even though I think I shot in the 90's on 9 holes. Went out and purchased a set of Walter Hagen (The Haig) clubs within a couple of weeks. I began playing the same 9 hole track about once a week and loved the fact that it was me against the course. I finally saved up enough money to take a couple of lessons, which helped a lot. As my working career progressed, I was able to search out and find better quality golf courses to play. By this time we have a foursome that played almost every Friday, we were all fairly new so learned the game together.
Currently my handicap is a 5.5 playing at 6400 yards. This is the lowest my handicap has ever been and it's mostly due to being retired and having more time available. My wife and I will be celebrating our 45th anniversary next month, we have 3 adult kids and 3 grand kids. The kids were never interested in golf, but it looks like the grand kids may be different.
I am a member of a private club, that has held Nationwide, Korn Ferry and Ga State events. It is a Bob Cupp design courses that requires you to use every club in your bag.
Below are the grad kids and a group of golfers.
First Impressions 5/5
I was very impressed with the packaging of the Precision Pro NX10, the instructions were very easy to follow. They provided decals and other materials in the shipping package. See photos below:
· The Precision Pro fits in your hand excellent when holding it. It’s not oversize at all, fits right in your palm area nicely.
· Precision Pro has over 50 skins available so your rangefinder can be customized. Changing these skins is a very easy and quick process.
· The Precision Pro NX10 is a high quality, very durable range finder. It appears that it would hold up under any condition. The built-in magnet will hold the range finder on any metal if you decide to not keep it in the case.
· The Precision Pro NX10 comes with a very nice carrying case that clips to your bag. You can use a zipper to hold it in the case or it has a band that can be pulled around the case for a quick closure.
The Numbers 5/5
· The Precision Pro NX10 was very accurate on yardages to the pin. I have two other Bushnell range finders and the NX10 was as accurate or better.
· The Precision Pro NX10 picked up my targets quicker than the other range finders I currently have or have used in the past.
· The Precision Pro NX10 slope function worked very well and was very accurate.
· The Precision Pro NX10 picked up any target that I attempted to get a yardage on.
· The instructions that were provided were easy to understand and follow.
· All Precision Pro products come with free replacement of batteries for the lifetime.
· The Precision Pro NX10 was very easy to use, it does not have an on or off button/switch. It is very easy to operate.
· The range finder made playing golf quicker and gave you more confidence knowing you had the correct yardage.
· Compared to my Bushnell Tour V5 w/slope that I was using prior to this test, the Precision Pro NX10 yardages are basically the same +/- 1 yd. The thing that I like different is the NX10 from Precision Pro locks into the target easier and quicker.
· Since I was already using a range finder, my scores have improved very little. I am scoring some better, but mostly because I am playing more lately.
The Good, the Bad, the in between 4/5
The Precision Pro NX10 is as good of a rangefinder as I have used. My comparison during this test was against the Bushnell Tour V5, but I have had two other range finders in the past. The most impressive thing about the NX10 is it picks the target up so quickly even if your hand is not completely still. I have not found anything bad to report regarding the NX10.
One between thing is the base color is white, over time it may change and discolor after long usage.
Keep it or Trade it? 5/5
Playing the Precision Pro NX10, it picks up any target quicker than any range finder that I have used in the past. I love the availability to change out the skins and modify the looks of it.
If you are looking for an excellent range finder, the Precision Pro NX10 will fit the ticket. You can customize it by choosing a skin to personalize it. At this time, they have over 50 skins to choose from. Additionally, you can change out the ring around the lens for more customization. The NX10 is built with quality, it is very accurate and locks into the target very easy. It comes with a very nice carry case; the range finder also has a magnet so you can stick it to metal on the golf cart for easy accessibility.
Final Score 29/30
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Callaway Epic Speed – Official MGS Forum Review by MaxEntropy
First, thanks to MGS and Callaway for the opportunity – it is always an honor to be able to see how new products perform in the hands of an “ordinary Joe.”
My name is Blake and I am a 53-year-old living in Akron, Ohio. I caught the golfing bug after graduating from college in 1991 (Go Zags!) and generally played a couple times per month through the 1990’s into the early 2000’s, with a few years of playing in leagues that got me on the course more. With the help of a couple friends and a single lesson that corrected a huge swing flaw, I got my “unofficial” handicap down to around a 14 (18 holes). At that time, my game was all about distance. I could not hit a wood to save my life, so 4i was my go-to off the tee. A solid strike was usually in the 240-yard range, so I saw no need to really worry about woods.
Life smacked me in the face pretty hard in the mid-2000’s and my clubs stayed in the basement for the better part of ten years. A friend encouraged me to get out with him a few times in the mid-2010’s and I’ve become fanatical about golf since then and I joined MyGolfSpy in 2017 in my pursuit of learning more about equipment, techniques, rules, etc.
By the time I started playing again, age had started catching up with me and I had become more out of shape than I would prefer. I can’t even hit a 4i anymore, much less get 240 out of it, so it became apparent to me I needed to figure out how to hit a driver.
For my age/handicap, I am pretty long and being an official tester for SuperSpeed last year was a great help. My baseline swing speed was 102 mph and I peaked at 120 mph near the end of the test period. I have taken the PRGR radar to the course with me a few times, and I will still typically be in the 110-mph range. Not bad for an out-of-shape old(er) fart! I’ve been in a league now for 4 years – I started as a 10 HC (9 holes) and have dropped steadily to the point that about 3 weeks ago I dropped to a 6. In my opinion, there are two primary reason for the improvement: 1) I am slowly figuring out how to swing a driver (trial and error); and 2) I have become more risk averse when I am in trouble. I used to favor the “spectacular” shot with the low probability of success because DAMN it feels good when you pull it off that 1 time out of 50! Now, I’m more likely to take my medicine and rely on scrambling to minimize the damage. Even then, execution is sometimes an issue.
I wish I could say I have an Ernie Else or Fred Couples swing, but I don’t. I tend to have quick-ish tempo with an aggressive transition. See for yourself…
This video was taken the day after going to the gym for the first time in over a year – not optimal swing, but you get the idea.
My typical ball flight is high, usually with some fade to it. Historically, the banana slice has been my big miss, but over the last few years, I’ve developed a terrible two-way miss when swinging driver with near equal probability the ball is going left or right. 🤦♂️
It’s not as bad as it seems, though…oh who am I kidding, it SUCKS! How do you play to your tendency when there isn’t one?!?!? The image above is all drives since I started using Arccos (Aug 2019). The left misses tend to be less tragic than the right on average, so I still play for the ball wanting to go right. From my fitting, I learned that my path is fairly consistent (at least it was that day), so getting/keeping the face where it needs to be is a big issue, which leads to driving being my biggest weakness. The closer I get to the hole, the stronger my game becomes with putting being my biggest strength.
Arccos also tells me that, even though my accuracy off the tee is detrimental, my distance is a strength. Over the last 20 rounds:
My current gamer is a TaylorMade M5 9* I purchased from @MattF in the offseason after he bought his new Titleist. He was playing it with an EvenFlow Blue (stiff), but it also came with a Tensei CK Orange (stiff). Although I had never been fit, I had played around enough at hitting bays in various stores to know that something about the CK Orange agreed with my swing. It didn’t take me long to figure out the CK Orange was my clear choice. I have one of the weights in the “low” position and the other set to “draw”. This has resulted in much better ball flight so I can now get some roll out of my drives! I also love the sound the M5 makes on solid contact. I don’t even really know how to describe it, but it almost seems wood-like rather than metallic to me. Whatever it is, it’s a great sound!
I have this strange mental conflict when it comes to pulling a driver – I know the stats generally say SEND IT and I probably get myself into more trouble than I should by being aggressive (especially with the width of my dispersion cone), but my primary goal with driver is pretty simple – hit the ball as far as I can and hope it ends up some place that leaves me a shot at the green. Most of the courses I play don’t have super long rough, so there really isn’t too much of a penalty for missing the fairway – just give me a shot and I can score better.
I typically play tees in the 6200-6500 yard range. At that length, I probably have the ability to reach about half of the par 5’s in two, depending on the course. At our league course, reaching 3 of the 4 of them in two is not a problem with a decent drive and the 4th is gettable with two perfect shots (which means I’ve never reached in 2). Our league course also happens to be relatively short (5900 yards from the tees we play) so many of the par 4's are little more than a wedge to the green if my drive is in play.
Why did I sign up for the Speed rather than the Max LS? When the announcement first came out, I was attracted to the Max LS due to its design goal of killing spin. Then reading Tony Covey's release article, I saw the following statement: “LS is a relative term. The Epic Max LS is low spin relative to the Epic Max but should generate appreciably more spin than the Mavrik Sub Zero did. In fact, if you’re looking for a new Callaway driver that offers launch and spin characteristics on par with last year’s Sub Zero, your best bet is the buy the Epic Speed and turn the loft down by one degree.” He also made a comment to the effect that the Speed version should be the best fit for the majority of golfers. Good enough for me!
Disclaimer: I have preconceived notions about Callaway – I am not really a fan of the company as a whole. They strike as more of a marketing machine than someone making technological advances and letting the product speak for itself (right or wrong, that’s my perception). A friend has some Apex CF16 irons that I’ve hit a few times, and I don’t like them. The ball test 2 years ago (and the backlash from Callaway employees on social media) did nothing the dissuade my thoughts. With that said, I played a RAZR Fit 3 wood for a few years that I absolutely loved and have considered testing it against my current Bridgestone 3W. I am also a fan of the Stroke Lab putter I tested a couple summers ago, so even with my thoughts about the company, I like to think I am open-minded enough to play what helps me score better.
These days, even though the marketing hype around Jailbreak/AI Speed Frame and Flash Face are substantial, the technology behind the marketing at least sounds legit to me. According to Callaway, both Flash Face and AI Speed Frame are intended to help with forgiveness by maintaining speed on off-center strikes. Is this true? So far, I have seen some very good forgiveness on balls hit very high on the face, so that’s encouraging. Nothing in on the heel or too far out on the toe just yet, so we’ll have to see.
I understand my inability to hit a driver consistently is very much a “me” thing, but the questions I have is will the forgiveness built into these heads help? What role will playing a shaft that is closer to optimized mean for me? I won’t recap my shaft fitting – it’s described in detail in the comments, but I ended up with the Epic Speed 9* with the MMT 70 X-stiff. I ordered an Align grip, but due to an error in the build, it is currently on a MMT 70 Stiff shaft sitting in my basement. I blew a fairly new SuperStroke Cross Comfort Midsize off my old SW and it is now on the Epic. The good news is that, time permitting, I can do some testing with the Stiff version to help determine if any improvement is related to the shaft, the head, or both.
In the short time I have played the M5, I have grown to like it, so in order for the Epic Speed to kick it out of the bag, I am going to need to see something substantial to warrant it. For me, that means a measurable (statistically significant) improvement in dispersion, preferably with similar distance. I need something that finds less trouble! I saw a comment from @chisag in one of the threads related to distance. Something to the effect that a shot on the same line as his 260-yard drive in the rough that carries 300 will find a lot more trouble. This fact is not lost on me and had me concerned during the SuperSpeed testing. Specifically, that I was going to find myself in more trouble in new places that were previously unreachable to me. Fortunately, I can only think of a couple occurrences where that has likely been the case, but I hope the Epic Speed is able to help as much as it can in the hands of someone like me.
Let’s get on to the pictures….
The glossy black carbon fiber crown is very attractive to me. I typically prefer more of a matte finish because smudges show up so easily with high gloss. With the black MMT shaft and gray grip, I think the package looks very good to me.
The head shape is nice and looks good behind a ball. One thing I have noticed is that if I let a driver sit on the ground how it wants to naturally, the M5 wants to open up the face, whereas the Epic Speed stays pretty neutral. I wonder if this tendency has any effect on me psychologically, thinking I have to try to get the face square knowing it wants to be open. Real effect or placebo, I have no idea, just a thought.
I tried to do my best to make sure the perspective was the same in the above pics. Although I failed, I think it does illustrate my point – the M5 naturally wants to sit open.
The graphics on the sole are OK – a little busier than I prefer, especially without any weight tracks to add to it, but I do like the color scheme. This is of no concern to me as I never see the sole except when I am taking off/putting on the head cover (or posing it for pictures).
I really like the head cover. Yes, it is a tight fit initially, but it has already started to loosen up some. My only concern is it being primarily white – me and white don’t mix. I’m sure I’ll find a way to spill coffee on it even though I almost never have coffee on the course. I am being careful, though. I want it to look as pristine as possible for as long as possible.
My primary intention with testing is to rent some simulator time to get firm numbers on both drivers – hopefully enough swings to determine whether any differences are statistically significant. Do those numbers translate to the course?
Thanks again to MGS and Callaway. It's time to have some fun!
Callaway Epic Speed – Final Review by MaxEntropy
I’ve now had the properly-spec’d driver in my hands for about 7 weeks. In that time, I have had 3 good range sessions (and 1 not-so-good), played 117 holes of golf, and spent an hour on a simulator. (There was also a range session and 36 holes with the Epic Speed head and the wrong shaft). On the course, I made no effort to do and A versus B testing – my driver swing is too inconsistent, so I saw little value in trying it. At the range was a different story – almost all focus was on pounding the ball with the competitors – TaylorMade M5 with Tensei CK Orange S versus Callaway Epic Speed with Mitsubishi MMT 70 X. I tried hitting 5 or 10 at a time with each, hoping to establish some sort of a groove. In the simulator, I wanted to make sure I was doing as well as could be with each so hit as many as was required to end up with 15 “acceptable” shots each (i.e. neglecting tops and obviously bad contact) before switching clubs.
On to the results….
One of my primary goals with this test was to see if my accuracy would be improved. I am plenty long for my age and handicap but tend to spray the ball too badly (see shot distribution in the Intro which is all driver shots since I started using Arccos until I put the Epic Speed in play). Whether any resulting improvement is related to a properly fitting shaft or the Callaway head (or combination of the two), I don’t really care. I believe the only way I could truly separate the head from the shaft would be put a CK Orange in the Epic, but that is not likely to happen. If you recall, Callaway made a mistake on my original build and sent an MMT 70 S. I did make some effort to see some shaft effect (at least S versus X in the MMT).
I have spilled some of the beans already in this and other threads – the Epic Speed/MMT 70 X really has almost become an anti-left machine for me. This is great news as it allows me to go back to playing for a fade/slice. There are still occasions where I hit the high, wipey fade, but I know that is more of a “me” problem and no technology is going to fix that.
Here are some Arccos screen caps. First is my driver dispersion and distribution since I started using the M5…
My average dispersion is nearly 75 yards wide (I assume the ellipse contains ~50% of the shots) with extremes spanning almost 160 yards(!!!!!) and the most probable result is left. I struggled to pick a target line with this data in mind, so I would typically aim towards the center and pray for the best. FYI – the 311 was real – I smoked that ball but got an atypical August-like bounce and roll in June.
Now looking at the same data for the Epic Speed…
Average dispersion has gone down to something more like 55 yards and, if I neglect the one way, way left (that one was a wind-aided brutal pull, toe-hook. Fortunately, the hole it happened on has plenty of bail-out room over there), the overall span is down to “only” 120 yards. I am also now hitting more fairways with more misses being on the right. I would argue with time this will get even better. Now that I can have almost no thought about the left (most of them are toe-hooks), I am getting more and more confident about aiming up the left side without fear of a looming pull/pull hook. As I have been looking at the data to write this, it is just giving me more confidence. FYI – the 331 was aided by cart path, so it is not real, unfortunately.
Anyway, on to the grades…
Looks (8 out of 10)
The package is generally attractive, and I like how the club sits very neutral on the ground (unlike the M5 that likes to sit open). I docked a couple points just because I am not a big fan of glossy finishes – they show smudges and water marks too easily. The graphics on the sole are OK to me – perhaps a bit busier than I like, but since I almost never see them, it doesn’t really matter. The current colors are certainly better than the orange of the Mavrik, in my opinion. Combining the black head with the black MMT shaft with very little graphics and gray SuperStroke grip makes a sexy package.
Sound and Feel (9 out of 10)
The club feels great and, although I am addicted to the sound of the M5, this one produces a very satisfying, albeit more metallic sound than the TaylorMade. Strangely, the sound is completely different than the Epic Max LS a good friend of mine purchased this year. I docked it 1 measly point for a very minor aerodynamic issue – the club whistles. I assume this is due to air passing over the hosel screw cavity at around 105 – 110 mph. Fortunately, I only notice it during practice swings, but I assume it still happens on real swings.
Basic Characteristics (18 out of 20)
I ordered the 9 deg head and currently have the hosel set to -1 and neutral. This combination has given me closer to the ball flight I have been searching for. It still seems a bit higher than the M5 but is perfectly acceptable and I now am getting some roll on all but the dampest of courses. I cannot assess the workability of this club as I never try to work the ball. Clearly the accuracy is an improvement over the M5 at equal distance. Jailbreak and Flash Face are also for real! Both are intended to help maintain ball speed on off-center strikes, which I read as forgiveness. Generally, I do decent job of hitting near the center of the face with typical misses being either very high on the face or out towards the toe. In both cases, I’ve ended up with pretty ridiculous distance out of these misses, frequently still ending up in the 250+-yard range, so I give this club very high marks for forgiveness. In terms of adjustability, other than the hosel, there is none, whereas the Epic Max LS has an adjustable weight. I can only assume it was deemed unnecessary for their target demographic, but I docked them two points for the lack of a weight track.
On-Course/LM Performance (30 out of 30)
To try to get some firm numbers I rented a bay at the Golf Galaxy near me. They have updated both of their hitting bays with all new screens, projectors, and switched from Foresight to Trackman. I took the Epic Speed (with both the MMT 70 X and the MMT 70 S) and the M5. I used my own balls – TM TP5 Pix. After warming up with the Orange Whip, I hit just a few leisurely drives to make sure I felt loose. I started with the Epic Speed with the MMT70 X. My routine was to hit as many balls as needed until I had 15 “good” shots. “Good” was determined entirely by carry distance as a measure of how solid the contact was. I did not want to start getting too subjective with left/right issues, especially given the amount of time I had in the bay, so anything with a carry less than 235 was excluded, everything over that was included, regardless of direction.
To me, the most shocking thing was the amount of spin with the 70 X, especially if you compare it to what was nominally the same head/shaft combo from the fitting (* in the table is data from the fitting). Why did I gain nearly 500 rpm? I guess the main point, from a statistical perspective, is there is almost no difference between any of these combinations from a distance perspective. The dispersion chart shows the MMT 70 X (purple) as the best, followed by the MMT 70 S (blue), and the M5 (red). The red dot at the top of the chart is a good example of my filtering criteria – it was solid contact, carried over 250, but was nearly 20 yards further left than anything else.
To-date, the on-course performance has been very good to me – I’ve nearly double my fairways hit and almost eliminated one side of the course. What’s not to like about that?!?!? Unfortunately, this has not translated to lower scores – I guess that happens when you have a great driving day but can’t hit an iron to save your life or you putt like garbage. As I stated in my intro, I would be willing to sacrifice some distance for improved accuracy. Fortunately, that does not appear to be needed. According to Arccos and Trackman, distance has stayed the same. I think there is still “meat on the bone” where distance is concerned if I can lower the launch/spin just a hair, although with no more adjustments I can make, that means tweaks to my swing (not a bad thing, but more time consuming).
Both the launch monitor and the on-course data seem to confirm each other – distance is essentially the same and dispersion is greatly reduced with the Epic Speed.
Based on this experience, I have to be honest and say that this club has somewhat changed my opinion about Callaway. There are still some preconceived notions that will need to be overcome, but this experience goes a long way towards swaying me.
Miscellaneous (0 out of 10)
When I first received the driver, I was jacked up and ready to roll. Then I discovered they sent the wrong shaft (MMT 70 S instead of MMT 70 X). They rectified the situation fairly quickly and even let me keep the “wrong” shaft. If this had been a “one-off” mistake, I would be more willing to overlook this, but Callaway had build errors on 3 out of the 4 of us. To me, that seems very unprofessional for a company with Callaway’s overall reputation. Does this kind of thing happen to normal paying customers? Was the process different due to this being a forum test? We know the specs were accurate when they left MGS. Maybe I’m being harsh here, but 3 out of 4 clubs wrong is not good and delayed things quite a bit.
Play It or Trade It (20 out of 20)
I know the fight was close for a couple of the other testers, but for me, there really is no debate. I was hoping for better accuracy and got it. I was willing to accept a loss in distance, yet I’m seeing at least the same. How much is due to the head? How much is due to the shaft? I don’t know and I don’t care. Is anybody interested in buying an M5 with two shafts?
TL;DR – For this particular 53 year old with a relatively high swing speed, the Epic Speed has dramatically improved my accuracy and almost eliminated one side of the course for me. Expectations in this sport being what they are, is it actually reasonable for a 14-ish handicap to expect any better than what I saw the last couple months? I kind of doubt it. With improving self-awareness, I am working on the big miss to the right, but the left misses are almost becoming a fluke, which opens my comfort level for proper targets given my natural shot shape. If I can continue to whittle away at the dispersion, I can’t see how my scores would not improve over time – more shots at the green will lead to lower scores.
Final Score (85 out of 100)
Thanks, again to MyGolfSpy and Callaway for the awesome opportunity!
Time to go hit more bombs….
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Callaway Epic Speed Driver – Official MGS Forum Review by Rob Westendorf (Siamese Moose)
Let me start by thanking MyGolfSpy and Callaway Golf for this wonderful opportunity! I will do my best to live up to everyone's expectations.
I am 61, and currently have a 6.4 handicap. I have been as low as a 2 about a decade ago, but in the last four years really turned into a "senior" golfer. I've been through two back surgeries and a right shoulder A/C joint repair, and have consequently lost about 15 mph on my driver speed, and a lot on my back stamina. Due to these injuries my swing had become a miserable patchwork of compensations and band-aids, and last year I started working again with my old instructor (Steve Nelson, Miles of Golf - Cincinnati) to build a new swing that's easier on my body as well as more effective. The changes are quite large, so I am still working on eliminating years of muscle memory. I don't have a video of my old swing, but it was ugly enough that it would frighten you. My new swing has a medium to medium-quick tempo (down from super quick), and I am still working on slowing it down further, which is where I am getting my best results. My swing speed is 94-95 mph, and I generate very low spin numbers. My driver flight is about medium height, usually very little curvature, often a slight pull. Compared to my friends, driving is one of my strengths. I was fitted last October for a Ping G410 with an Aldila NV2K orange shaft in stiff at 45". I have been very happy with this driver, and it's hard to imagine doing better. We will see! I like being aggressive with the driver. I usually choose tees in the 6400 yard range, and for most local courses that gives me at least one chance to reaching a par 5 in two in most rounds.
My comments for this review are going to run a couple weeks behind the other testers. I recently suffered a cras h in a bike race, and have a hairline fracture of my T6 vertebrae, and a rather painful contusion on my back. I have started playing again, but I'm not yet swinging freely, so it's hard to make judgements on a driver. For that same reason I don't yet have a video of my driver swing, but I do have this with a hybrid:
Hybrid Swing.mp4 I was fitted for the Epic Speed by Eric Hensler (also Miles of Golf), and the stock Project X HZRDUS Smoke IM 10 was the best fit. Eric fitted me to 44.75", but unfortunately the club was delivered at 44" However, a new shaft should be here soon. In the meantime there's nothing stopping me from playing it at the shorter length. That means, however, that I should be able to get some numbers on the two different shaft lengths, which is a common topic of discussion here. I will add that my instructor generally prefers seniors to go with a longer shaft, not for swing speed, but in that it promotes a flatter swing that is more around the body, and for most of us that is a more comfortable and repeatable motion.
Update: When I went to my range to get Trackman numbers my fitter pointed out that the shaft included was NOT the one he fit me for. The colors are near identical, but instead of the HRZDUS SMOKE IM10, what arrived was the HRZDUS SMOKE Green PVD, which is a $345 upcharge model. The bend profiles are quite different, and the Trackman numbers (in the comments thread) bear out the the Green was far too low spin for me.
The club is gorgeous! It's a nice gloss black with a simple alignment mark (Callaway's trademark chevron), and while "Epic" is written across the back edge, I don't notice that at address. Compared to my G410 it has a very simlar shape, just slightly shorter heel to toe and slightly deeper:
The first shaft delivered, the SMOKE Green, is a beautiful deep green that nicely compliments the green accent color of the head:
The proper shaft that followed is similar looking if you don't know the full range, but obviously different when placed side by side:
Too bad the SMOKE Green shaft isn't right for me. It's real purrty!
Callaway touts it's "Jailbreak Speed Frame" construction, which they say "Improves stability in horizontal and torsional direction for increased ball speeds across the face." My big miss, which comes when I'm tired, is to lose my spine angle and pull up and away on the downswing, leading to hits high on the toe. Improved performance on that miss is my Holy Grail, and that might well be the aspect I'm looking for the most from this club.
As I mentioned, I got fit for this club. I could have easily have gotten the loft right myself, and the slight draw bias matches the weight settings I have my my Ping. The fitting was primarily about the shaft. I learned long ago that I like counter balanced shafts, going back to the old Harmon Tour Design HTD series of the 90's. It's why I have Aldila NV shafts in all of my woods. The HZRDUS Smoke is right in there, and i liked it as soon as I first tried it in the fitting. We tested at 44", 44.75", and 46" (the three lengths Eric had available). My center hits at 44.75" were better than at 44", but at 46" I was awful. So 44.75" it is! Like most modern drivers it has an adjustable hosel, but unlike my Ping, where the adjustments are fine tuning, the Callaway has bigger changes. I essentially have four options: Standard loft and lie (10.5° and 59°), +2° loft and standard lie, +1° loft plus draw lie, and -1° loft and draw lie. Based on my earliest swings I won't be changing from the standard setting.
I have played a little with the club so far, but since my back is still crash sore, I don't want to pass any judgement this early. My intial impression is good, but I have no numbers yet. (I will make one early observation: compared to the G410 the sound is a lower pitched "thwack", and it sounds more powerful, and I like it.) Going forward I will be playing as much as I can, and whenever possible will hit both the Epic and G410 and chart my results. I have a Trackman session scheduled for July 27th, and I plan to have numbers for both drivers, as well as both shaft lengths for the Epic. I should also have a video of my driver swing up soon as well. Wish me luck in healing, and thanks again to Callaway for the opportunity!
Update 19 August, on to my final review!
Looks: 9 out of 10 points
The head is a pretty classic shape, a little deeper than broad, with what Callaway calls a mid footprint. The top is a deep gloss black, and you can just see the carbon weave under the finish. The standard Callaway chevron is a nice simple alignment mark that I really like. It has "Epic" written on the trailing edge with a few green lines, but this is nice and subtle, and I never noticed it at address except when looking at it critically for this review. I frankly don't care about the looks of the sole, since I don't see it once it's out of the bag, but the white and green graphics look decent against a real nice black chrome background. If you want a formal traditional look, this isn't quite it, but I think having the slight showiness calls attention to the high tech nature of the design. I can't take any points off for the head alone. My one point off is for the shaft, and I'm probably not being fair here. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with the dark charcoal of the SMOKE IM10 shaft. However, I fell in love with the rich green of the SMOKE Green shaft originally sent by mistake, so by comparison, the IM10 shaft costs a one point deduction. My regular driver is a Ping G410, with the turbulators and a matte finish, and I like the Epic Speed looks significantly better.
Sound and Feel: 8 out of 10 points
I tried to record the sound to compare it to my Ping, but my phone video quality is not good enough to tell a what I think is a rather distinct difference. Whereas my Ping has a higher pitched metallic note, the Epic Speed is a deeper sound that doesn't make me think it's hitting a metal face at all. It's a solid thwack. It's an exaggerated comparison, but the Ping is more like an aluminum baseball bat, while the Callaway is more a major league wooden bat. For my taste, the Callaway wins hands down. (I'll point out, however, the Ping sound is not objectionable like some of the other brands I've heard, just not as sexy to my ear.)
Describing feel is difficult for me. I don't have much sense for different sensations, especially compared to how I hear others describe their experiences. Hit dead center, the club feels really solid. Hit on the toe, the club still feels really solid. If that's due to the Jailbreak technology, I'd say it works. Hit on the heel, the club feels even more solid. This is where I'm taking off two points. I don't think mishits should ever feel better than good strikes. I asked my playing partners to just listen to my drives, and estimate the strike quality just on sound. They could tell if I hit it thin or way on the toe, but they also described my heel hits as sounding like I really pured one.
Basic Characteristics: 18 out of 20
I'm not a "player" when it comes to driving. I just want it to start on line with minimal curve, and preferably the same curve very time. I don't try to work it. I want predictability. My whole life I've hit it low. It's only since I got the Ping last year that I've hit a mid trajectory ball. The Epic Speed is very close to the Ping. The Trackman numbers say I hit it marginally higher (93' vs. 87'), but there's not enough difference for me to eyeball it. My full Trackman charts are in the comments thread, but the averages are:
Shaft Club Speed Ball Speed Launch Angle Spin Rate Land Angle Height Carry Total Ping G410 Aldila NV 2K Orange 91.5 136.4 16.1 2178 36.1 87 222.8 248 Callaway Epic Speed SMOKE IM10 90.7 135.7 16.7 2339 38 93 223.5 246.2 Callaway Epic Speed SMOKE Green 90.7 134.9 16.4 1890 34.4 82 219.1 244.2 (Note: I edited out one shot from the SMOKE Green shaft, as it was a massive outlier.)
There's very little to pick between my Ping and the Epic Speed with the IM10 shaft. As a scientist by trade, I'd say they're the same within statistical allowances. I included my numbers from the "wrong" shaft (SMOKE Green). A great many people post here with the same question, "Can I really change spin that much with a different shaft?" Based on a nearly 500 rpm difference between the two SMOKE shafts, I'd answer that as "Yes!" FWIW, the manufacturer describes the IM10 as a mid-low launch and spin shaft, and the Green as low for both. I'd bet if you used their mid or mid-high launch and spin models the difference would become even more pronounced.
I tried to quantify forgiveness by tracking my numbers for mishits on the course, as well as by trying to intentionally create mishits using Trackman. Those numbers were a confusing mess, so I can't reasonably claim any firm conclusions. My impressions, however, were that my more extreme misses, especially on the toe, did better with the Epic Speed than the G410. I can remember a few swings that were just awful that were only 20 yards shorter than average. That's about half the loss that I expected. My heel misses, on the other hand, tended to be further left with the Epic Speed, including a couple lost balls.
I tried a final range session yesterday, where all I did was change the hosel settings and look for differences. These numbers were worthless also. I found that, because I sole the club before starting my swing, that the head would always end up in the same orientation, regardless of hosel setting. I think I was adjusting my hands and arms to the way the club lay, and negating the hosel changes. If you hover the club (which my instructor wants me to do, but I just can't manage to make it work) I'm sure it would show a greater impact. Note that the Epic Speed does NOT have adjustable weights. Callaway says it's a "semi-draw flight bias", and it certainly seems to be about the same as my G410 with the weight set in the "draw" position. My inability to make any changes to ball flight is why I deducted a couple points.
On Course Performance: 29 out of 30 points
The range is fine for testing, but on the course is where it matters. I've played mostly the Epic Speed since receiving it, but I also have a number of rounds where I hit both it and my Ping from the same tee for comparison. (I did not do this when it slowed down play, or generally late in a round when my swing started getting less predictable.) I can't measure carry on the course, but I can get total yardage. I measured accuracy by a personal judgement of quality of 0 to 5, where 0 means I hit it exactly where I intended (not neccesarily the center of the fairway), and 5 is a lost ball. Those averages are:
Yd Quality Ping 231.6 1.53 Callaway 225.1 1.71 Not much difference here, but a small edge in both measures to my Ping. My best judgement of why the Ping edged out the Epic Speed is the shaft. I think the Aldila NV2K is about as perfect as it gets for me, and just edges out the SMOKE IM10. The Aldila, however, is a $100 upcharge shaft, while the IM10 is stock, so it means the overall Ping price is higher. Still, that small difference in these numbers is why I took points away. I would dearly love to put my Aldila shaft in the Epic Speed and confirm my suspicion. I understand why every manufacturer has it's own hosel system, but right now I really wish there was a standard.
I'm not good at trying to be super aggressive with the driver. When I try to "really bomb one!" my tendency is to get quick, both in takeaway and in transition, and my hands race ahead of my body. All too often it's a short pop fly to right field. However, as testers we're asked to get out of our comfort zone and challenge the club and ourselves, so I tried it more than a few times. (Note: I did not include these results in the "quality" number in the chart above.) I failed more often than succeeded. These attempts account for almost of of the balls I've lost since this test started. (To be fair to Callaway, I tried the same thing with my Ping, with generally the same results.) When it worked, though, I had a few monster results. I had a handful of 250 yard carries, and a couple in the 290 range with roll.
Overall, the Epic Speed performed quite well for me, just a couple inches from perfect. The performance on toe misses means that Callaway's Jailbreak technology really has made more of the face faster. The feel and sound are awesome, and I hope they never change it. Looking closer at Callaway's product matrix, I think I might be better served by the Epic Max, though Callaway's online model selector does recommend the Epic Speed for me.
Miscellaneous: 7 out of 10 points
This is about little things. The box it came in is a marvel of packaging. Everything was not only well protected and secure, but the box didn't have all of it's parts glued together. It was easy to disassemble, and I didn't need a knife to get it into the recyle bin. The head cover is well made and fits snugly, though all of the white on it is starting to show more dirt than I'd like. (But then, I use an MGS headcover anyway.) All of my interactions with Callaway were through MGS, so I can't ding them for the slight slowness between being selected as a tester and getting something to test. Where I am deducting points is the club coming with the wrong shaft. That's serious. I would not have realized it if I hadn't gone back to my fitter for Trackman numbers, but then again, if I had ordered it through him he would have known it was wrong before I ever got it in my hands.
Play It or Trade It? 18 out of 20 Points
Most of us never get the chance to test a driver over two months, not to mention comparing it to a club that my fitter says is an exceptionally good fit for me. If I were to compare this to the Cleveland or Wishon drivers I had at this time last year, it would be a slam dunk into the bag, and you'd have to kill me to take it away. At $530 list I'm not going to be changing drivers very often, but it's certainly in the range of fair compared to competitors. I'm a little torn right now. I think the performance improvement on toe misses is attractive enough that I am seriously considering buying an Aldila shaft to see if my performance suspicion is right. (Actually, the more I think about it the more likely I am to do it. I used to do a bunch of clubmaking, and I miss tinkering.) It's been a while since I had a Callaway club, and I'll admit that I thought they were a step behind in technology, just a step ahead of most in marketing. I don't feel that way any longer.
This is a damn fine club! In performance it comes out to 99% of a club my fitter says is an exceptional match, and it did so without the upcharge shaft in my G410. It looks better than the Ping, and it sounds better than any other current driver I've heard. I know most of the people who read this are probably stronger hitters than I am, but I am a Senior, and probably closer to the average strength player than most of you. The draw bias in this club is perfect for most of us, and sometimes I think not having adjustable weights is a good thing (my friends who tinker have screwed themselves up). I'm going to keep the club and reshaft it, and see if I can push it past my previous 100% level.
Final Score: 89 out of 100
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First off thanks to MSG for selecting me as a tester for the Epic Max LS and for Callaway for offering the testing opportunity. I started golfing with my Dad around 12 and played a lot in high school before a lull around college, but now I am back. I have been getting more serious about the game in the past couple years, and as a person who works with data well MSG was a site I really liked.
So… about that golf game. I have been self-taught all this time (code for never 100% sure what I am doing and always working on something) but have backed into a halfway decent game. Putting is probably the strongest part of my game with things getting worse the further back from the green we go. Which of course means driving is the biggest issue. I have always fought a slice and now that I understand the swing more adding too much dynamic loft. This means I am always down to try a new driver to help get that swing into shape.
EpicDriverSwingShorter.mp4 So, with this test I am looking forward to working with a driver that has a more forward center of gravity to help with dynamic loft and to keep the spin manageable. Of course, Callaway’s biggest driver story has been jailbreak now the AI Speed Frame coupled with the AI Flash Face. To go with this speed Callaway has moved their low spin version in their more forgiving driver shape, now its speed and forgiveness, what’s not to like. To top it off the rear movable weight can affect COG and closure rates of the clubs. What can’t this club do? The real question is does it matter? Well let’s get busy finding out.
To that end I want to be transparent about how I am testing the driver on performance. My current gamer is Cobra SZ Extreme at 9° that will serve as the comparison. There is a local location with a GC Quad where I can collect data including head data. So here are they ways I will be testing.
Shot Scope for strokes gained data Measured GC Quad performance including Ball speed Spin Rates Dispersion Ball speed retention of off-center hits (I mean I never mishit it) Launch Etc. I hope to deliver some cool looking charts about this data to make it exciting. I know exciting charts is a bit of an oxymoron but trust me I do that for a living. The overall goals will be if this driver can reduce spin and manage launch without sacrificing dispersions this will be a home run of a test.
It all started as all these tests do, with a long brown box…
The only tool for a job like this, the golf swiss army knife, I knew my Dad gave this to me for a reason . Opening this was like Christmas in the summer! The box was very well packed and looked well cared for, and there was a great attention to detail. I also really like the personal card with the specs of your order on it. As my first MSG test I might just have to frame this on and put in in my office
First impressions are that this club looks absolutely great. With the shiny carbon crown, chev log and small epic and the back of the club head. A nice clean look, with that hint of tech, a nice balance for sure. The sole of the club has a nice color scheme, with the carbon toe section. I really like my choice of the HZRDUS Smoke Black and the Lamkin UTx with green cap, which in all honesty color matching was the main reason for picking that grip. It was a good call by me as the club looks sharp. Will it help me hit it better of course no, but I sure will look good slicing it into the woods.
The bottom might be a little busy for some but coming from the Cobra SZ Extreme it looks almost a bit understated by comparison. Speaking of comparisons, the shape is indeed elongated some, that more modern look, and very similar to the SZ Extreme. One change is obviously the Max LS has the weight adjustability which the fiddler in me will probably mover around way too many times.
One tiny negative is that the head cover is currently a bit tough to put on, but I am sure that will get easier as I use it more, which of course will be a lot now. Overall, this is everything I expected and more. I can't wait to get to the range and the course and give this a baby a whirl. And early returns are that if you hit the ball as you intend then yes it does go well off the tee. Stay tuned for more!
Final Review - 8/23
Well, it has been a fun summer with the Epic and as my first MSG testing opportunity I have really enjoyed the process. Getting to take a good look at a great new club and compare to my current gamer has been an amazing opportunity. Again, thank you so much to the MSG team and Callaway I am truly grateful. So, lets dive on in and see if the driver lived up to its name…
Looks - 10 out of 10
Right from opening that wonderful big brown box on my door step this driver has looked amazing. I love the simple black top with the carbon starting to show through, simple chev alignment aid is just perfect. I also am a fan of an elongated driver look like the SZ Extreme and the Max LS is in that mold, though makes sense as I still have a soft spot for my old ’07 TM Burner. Then on the sole I really like Callaway’s color choices, as green is a personal favorite. The toe piece is a nice design choice and I think adds some nice pop to the bottom of the club. The sole might seem busy compared to a TSi3 say, but a step down from my Cobra SZ or the Rad Speed so I think it fits in that middle ground. I also enjoyed how the shaft and grip I choose to fit the color way of the driver for one complete package.
Sound and Feel - 8 out of 10
Overall, I have enjoyed both the sound and feel of the club. I have found the sound to be more muted than my Cobra. More like a dull ping, like a cowbell with the end covered say, whereas the Cobra had that high pitch to it that was less pleasant. I still would have preferred a bit more muted on the sound, that duller Taylormade crack that sounds more like a baseball bat, but the Callaway is still very good. Personally, feel is something that I struggle to tell the difference on with many clubs and is not something that would affect how I feel about a club as long as it performs. The Callaway and my Cobra both feel similar with a nice solid feeling, which after camping reminds me of hitting a tent stake into the soft ground, that last strike when you hit the ground and the stake there is a firm feel with some rebound. Solid but with that face flex as the ball takes off, sorry to those that use campers that is the best comparison I got right now.
Basic Characteristics - 19 out of 20
Now to the basics of the club and what I have felt about it. My first swing with the driver was on course and it did not disappointment. A nice low fade to the middle of that fairway. Coming into this test understanding more how I deliver the club I was hoping for a club that could help lower launch and spin, and well the Epic Max LS with their more forward CG did the trick. This driver has definitely brought the launch down, even on my bad swings versus my Cobra. With that has come a more controllable spin as well. When working on a launch monitor, I noticed the immediate effect in my dynamic loft coming down at least a couple degrees to pull that launch down and spin.
I did get to play around with the sliding weight and hosel adjustments which does help control the launch and face closure rate when using the weight. In testing both on the launch monitor and driving range the forgiveness has been exceptional. It has tightened my dispersion and I have found the confidence to hit driver on tighter holes again. Just check out this one range session where the Epic took the Cobra to the cleaners.
Epic Max LS
To pair with this forgiveness the distance potential has been really great. Especially in my last GC Quad session, as seen in the images here, the Epic has come alive. When getting the ball position right the Epic just dominated. Getting dynamic loft down to 18, still hitting a few degrees up on it, resulting in low 2000s spin with launch in and around 15 leading to multiple balls carrying 270 and rolling out to just over 290, the final rows of the GC Quad data below. These are numbers I have not seen with my Cobra and I think really speaks to its power. One thing I wanted to include but lost with a failed GC Quad data export was the ball speed on mishits, one of Callaway’s big claims. Though anecdotally the smash factor on off center hits did seem to be a bit better on Callaway, though its tough to say without that data (shakes fist in the air).
The only small nitpick is that head does seem a bit slow higher on the face, when hitting one higher on the face on course and on the monitor took off a bit more speed that I would have liked, but again a very small issue.
On Course Performance - 28 out of 30
As mentioned previously the first ball on course was my first swings with the club and the Callaway went off out without a hitch. A nice lower fade to center cut and this was a pattern that continued where this club really performed. Even when swinging poorly this club fit me much better. It reduced my curvature left to right and lowered the peak height. Of course, it was not immune to my really bad swings, but keeping that more forgiving shape with the more forward CG feels like it delivered the best of both worlds. On a number of occasions when hitting the SZ Extreme and the Max LS side by side the Callaway was hitting it longer on average and in a much better window almost every time.
The driver really came alive in my last round at Owls Nest where I hit multiple drives over 260 even on a windy day. I hit the driver on a few holes where it might have been a bit silly, and it still delivered. It even helped me play a slightly longer tees than I normally do and still never had more than a 7 iron into any par 4s, which when I normally play these tees there are couple holes with much longer second shots. Really the only reason I took a couple points off is because there have been a few balls that felt like ok hits but then they go much shorter than expected given the feel of strike. Overall, though as seen in the shot scope highlights below this club has delivered. I was only gaining about 0.6 shots against a 5 handicap for the season, but in the rounds with just the Epic I am gaining 1.5 shots off the tee versus a 5 cap, now that’s an improvement. In that final round at Owls Nest, I actually hit it so well I gained 0.62 shots against a scratch golfer off the tee. Now that is Epic!
Miscellaneous - 7 out of 10
From the packaging to the custom order slip the little extras has been great with the Epic. The only nitpick was that the head cover is a bit hard to put on at first, it’s a tight squeeze for sure. Though I will say I love the look of the headcover itself. I even like the simple headcover wrench as well that was included. Only other points lost, as other have mentioned, was for the shaft issues everyone had, I was the lone lucky one to have the right shaft from the start.
Play It or Trade It - 20 out of 20
Well this should come as no surprise to anyone who has followed along or read this far, but I love this club and it will be staying the bag for sure. The driver has done everything I was looking for it to do. It lowered the launch and brought the spin down even with poor swings. With the SZ it was tough to get the spin below 3000 on even good swings, and with the Epic it does that easily and with the right delivery I can get it spinning around 2100 for some serious distance increase. The movable weight has also helped me swing with confidence to hit a slight fade instead of a slice as well. Though I felt this might be the case when I did True Golf Fit this spring the Epic Max LS was the second-best option for me and the first was a SIM. Both are forward CG, low spin heads which made the SZ Extremes days numbered and well they have come to a close. The Epic is a driver that just works for me and that is priceless it might be $530 but I see no need to change it any time soon so it is worth that investment.
Total – 92 out of 100
I came into this year having gained some speed it felt like my driver and the delivery I was making with it were off. So, I decided to see if I might get to test the new driver from Callaway knowing this driver might fit my new swing better. From swing one this driver has delivered. My spin dropped, my launch dropped, and I started hitting it longer that I had been by about 10 to 20 yards. This trend continued on course and on the launch monitors. Each time I came to put the SZ Extreme up against the Epic Max LS the Cobra just didn’t stack up. Then in my last round with the Epic the result was put beyond a shadow of a doubt with distance and consistency that I have not had for a long time in a driver. So, the winner by knockout is the Epic Max LS.
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MyGolfSpy- Callaway Epic Max LS Review
Stage 1 Introduction/Initial Impressions
I can’t thank MGS enough for the opportunity to review another product and especially one so coveted as the Callaway Epic Max LS! I was fortunate enough to review and test Bridgestone e12’s back in 2019 (or as we know it the Pre-Covid era…) I guess I didn’t mess that review up enough for them to banish me to the cellar of the forum, so again thank you MyGolfSpy for the opportunity.
As for myself, I’m a 37-year-old civil engineer from the beautiful Cumberland Plateau in Tennessee. I live in what is known as the “Golf Capital of Tennessee”. Crossville, TN is a wonderful place to visit, vacation and play golf as there are several courses with great layouts. I have played golf for almost 30 years now and played all sorts of sports growing up. I was fortunate to play baseball in college at Tennessee Tech University and have spent my after-college competitiveness solely on golf. I have probably improved from a 12 handicap in college to my peak last year of 4.2 GHIN. I’m currently carrying a 5.1 but we had a new addition to my family last summer and its be harder to sneak out and get rounds in for the past 12 months.
I am blessed with a wonderful garage practice area complete with a SkyTrak, Bridieball Putting green and other various golf improvement tools. So, while the rounds have been slimmer so far this year, I have practiced more than ever. I really feel confident every time I step up to hit the ball and there is never that feeling uncertainty over the ball.
As for my game, I feel like the strength of my golf game comes from my ability to create speed and distance with the driver and use my wedges to hit greens and give myself opportunities for bridies/pars. Of course, with distance sometimes comes inaccuracy as I often have more “Penalty” strokes in a round than I would prefer due to OB and hazard balls. I’m always looking for increased accuracy and dispersion with the driver and am excited to see how the EPIC Max LS compares to my current Ping G410LST.
In 2018 after reading MGS reviews/tests and taking instruction from a local PING pro I decided to get fitted for the Ping G400. The pro fit me into a PING G400 LST, that eventually cracked and was replaced with a PING G410 Plus that I swapped for a PING G410 LST last fall. I have been super pleased with the change as I’m certainly a golfer that needs to keep his backspin numbers down with the driver. Typically, I carry the driver around 275-280 yards with a swing speed around 110-115. With a strength of my game being my distance, I like to take advantage of it as often as I can on par 5s and be as aggressive as I can reasonably be. My strategy being to hit second shots as close to the green as possible on every par 5.
Over the past year I have changed ball flight with my driver from someone who has always fought a fade/slice to hitting a more draw bias. It has been challenging but getting to practice whenever I want has been key to making slight adjustments to my swing. I added a new set of irons to my bag as well, playing the new Mizuno JPX-921’s.
But enough about myself, y’all didn’t come here to date my golf game, y’all came for the Bombs, activated calves and the shiny new Callaway Driver!
On June 18th this beauty arrived on my doorstep, it was a bittersweet arrival as Callaway sent a stiff shaft and not X stiff flex shaft that I was fit for.
The actually fitting was an adventure all itself, as I was notified I had been selected for this test a few days before a 10 day vacation, so I had to drive an hour during the vacation to the closest PGA Superstore to try out shafts and clubhead lofts. Of course, any reason to visit a PGA Superstore is always a plus for any vacation.
The fitting was probably one of my worst driving sessions in months but after trying out half a dozen X stiff shafts I settled on the stock MMT 60. The shaft felt extremely similar to the KuroKage shaft that is currently in my Ping G410 driver. After my original driver fitting in 2018, I have come to realize the importance of being fit for the proper shaft, especially for the longest and fastest swinging club in your bag. If I could only be fit for one club in my bag it would certainly be the driver.
The PGA Superstore fitting was also the first opportunity to put the Callaway Epic Max LS against my current gamer. With both clubs having 9 degrees of loft, similar X shafts and weights set to fade bias, my initial impression is this is going to be a very close contest to see which club comes out on top, as the ball speed, backspin and sidespin numbers were all extremely similar.
When I compare the two drivers’ side by side, I will have to say I’m excited that the Epic Max LS seems to have a smaller profile and slightly larger footprint. The shape reminds me more of the G400 LST I had a few years ago. While I have never been a huge fan of the Callaway chevron for alignment, I also didn’t like the Ping turbulators at first either and have grown to love them.
Let’s talk about the “Jailbreak Speed Frame” for a moment, as a structural engineer I’m very familiar with how frames work and where they are supposed to reinforce structural members. I can see a benefit to the frame over the two Jailbreak bars to give added reinforcement to the face structure. I think the claim from Callaway is that the reinforcement helps with off-center hits. It makes sense to me that by reinforcing the bottom and crown of the club you are restricting the twisting forces that would be on the clubface during an off-center hit. What I’m not certain of is how much the impact of a golf ball on the clubface puts stress on the bottom and crown of the club. I would think perhaps with the thin metal of the crown and sole it might have added benefit, but we shall see.
Once the correct shaft arrives (and I’m praying it will be very soon) I’m ready to hit the ground running with testing and comparing the clubs. I’ve got the SkyTrak ready to give me accurate numbers as well as an opportunity to run different tests every day and look closely at ball speed and spin numbers. I’ve also got several upcoming tournaments and practice rounds I’ll be playing in the next few weeks, so I’ll have lots of course experience with the Epic Max LS as well.
It’s going to take a lot to knock the Ping G410 LST out of my bag. I’ve already shared some screen shots from a round on Father’s Day weekend where the ole Ping was already starting to put up a fight. If the Callaway can do as it claims and keep mishits straighter and can tighten my dispersion, then it will certainly win the spot in the bag. I’ve always been a golfer that makes a decision with a club and sticks with it until the club has become technologically obsolete, so having two drivers only one generation apart to choose from is going to be new ground for me. Hopefully in the coming weeks it will become abundantly clear which one works best for me and my journey will help those of you reading make a decision on what’s right for your game.
I can’t emphasis enough how thankful I am that MGS entrusted this test and review to me and I’ll work hard to pay back that trust.
Again, I can’t thank MyGolfSpy and Callaway enough for allowing me to test and review such an amazing product. Due to a mistake in the original club building I have been using the Callaway Epic Max LS for exactly one month. In those four weeks, I’ve played in several tournaments, rounds on the course, driving range sessions and hundreds of balls hit on a Skytrak Launch Monitor. I’ve done my best to test every faucet of the driver in comparison to my current gamer, a Ping G410 LST. I hope these scores, testing data and review gives everyone who reads it a firsthand account of the club and if it would fit their game.
Looks (9 out of 10)
The Callaway Epic Max LS really is a sharp looking club. The shape and glossy black crown of the club are appealing to the eye. The round footprint of the club is classic. The face graphics look tough and give you the impression the sweet spot is huge and covers most of the face, which it feels like sometimes when you hit it off-center.
I’m not a huge fan of the color scheme, a darker green might have looked sharp next to the gray, white and black. The chevron alignment aid isn’t my favorite either, but I was not a fan of Ping turbulators when I first began playing them. I did mention in the comments earlier that during testing I kept getting the feeling the chevron alignment aid feels slightly on the heel, and I mean millimeters from center but just not quite in the middle. I’m sure it has to do with the actual center of gravity of the entire club, not just the center of the face or where it sets on the crown of the club.
Overall, the club is very appealing to look at when set up to the ball and really gives the player confidence to make a swing that would result in some serious bombs. I have some very minor issues with the appearance but it’s a very attractive driver.
Sound and Feel (9 out of 10)
The feeling of impact with the Epic Max LS is firm and quieter than the Ping G410 LST. The best thing I can compare it to is the feeling of a hammer hitting a nail versus a tennis racket hitting tennis ball. The G410 LST certainly gives the feeling like it springs the balls off the club face more but from my testing that doesn’t result in faster ball speed or longer carry distance. I rather enjoy the quieter sound at impact, especially when most of my practice comes indoors. I've tried to capture the sound on the following video, you can hear a clear difference.
Basic Characteristics (20 out of 20)
There isn’t a single category that I can think of where the Epic Max LS underperformed the G410 LST. Both had similar trajectory, launch, workability, ball speed. The clear edge going to the Epic Max LS in carry distance, accuracy, and forgiveness. Balls hit off center had a remarkable ability to carry much further than anticipated and curve less. During testing on my Skytrak launch monitor, the Epic had a significantly lower standard deviation (29.1 to 44.4) of shots hit offline from the average yards offline, meaning the dispersion should be tighter.
With extensive testing I can say with a degree of certainty that the Epic Max LS is longer, the caveat being that it’s not significantly longer. Most of the testing showed it carried 1-3 yards longer on similar swings. Ball speed was very similar with slight differences. Off-center hits with the Epic Max LS did seem to create more ball speed than off-center hits with the G410 LST. That may lead to credence that the “Speed Frame” does what it says, providing more ball speed and less side spin than other drivers.
On-course/LM Performance (30 out of 30)
On the course, I didn’t notice huge differences in performance, I felt like poor swings resulted in poor shots and good swings resulted in good shots. I didn’t find myself longer on the course with the Epic Max LS than the Ping G410 LST but if my Skytrak is telling me it carries 1-3 yards longer, I’m not sure that’s something noticeable on the course. It certainly didn’t change the clubs I hit into greens from what I have in previous rounds.
Where I do feel like there is room for the Epic to solidify itself in my bag is with accuracy, shot dispersion and mishits. The G410 LST has never provided the consistency and accuracy I felt like I was getting with my G400 LST. While I haven’t noticed a huge improvement on the course, I have noticed differences on my Skytrak. Ball hits off-center, usually on the toe, come off hot and straight as if they had been squared up. There were at least half a dozen balls I hit that I would assume would carry short and left but instead just kept going with balls speeds over 170 mph and landing very close to where I wanted them. The following screenshots were all on center-toe hits.
The requirement I put on the Epic Max LS to make it into my bag was that it would tighten my shot dispersion and give me more accuracy off the tee. One of the glaring weakness is my game is the penalty shots my driver costs me each round in hazards or OB. While my distance helps making up some of those shots in a typical round if I can eliminate one or two OB balls each round that would be Epic.
Miscellaneous (4 out of 10)
There are a few little things that I felt like could have gone better with this test and the Epic Max LS. The most frustrating would have to be a mistake in shipment. Callaway originally sent a stiff shaft instead of the extra stiff shaft I needed for the test. I wasn’t the only tester in which this happened to but for whatever reason I had to wait nearly 5 weeks to receive the replacement shaft that I needed to conduct the test. I can’t complain too much as Callaway did eventually remedy the issue. It just limited the amount of time I was able to test the product properly. Another small issue would have to be the headcover was extremely tight to take on and off the club, which is not a big deal as I've got a sweet white Mizuno headcover I use for my driver.
Play it or Trade it (20 out of 20)
Let’s see what club will be donning my white Mizuno head cover drum roll please….
Well, if you’ve been reading along that was anticlimactic. This session about a week ago on my Skytrak is what really cemented it in the bag.
I will be certainly putting the Epic Max LS into my bag. It was slightly longer than my current driver and provided improved accuracy with both center and off-center hits. I would however probably not go out and buy one if I had a driver one to two generations old. While I feel like it beat my G410 LST in accuracy, it constantly reminded me of the accuracy with my G400 LST and didn’t seem so drastic I would feel the need to purchase one. Of course, I’m a golfer that believes it’s the Indian and not the arrow when it comes to equipment.
The Epic Max LS is designed for golfers that create a lot of backspin on the tee and are looking to lower those numbers to maximize their distance and accuracy. Its certainly top notch for this generation of equipment. If you are someone who needs lower spin off the tee and want to replace a driver older than 3 years I would certainly recommend purchasing the Epic Max LS.
If I apply these same metrics for my Ping G410 it would score in the mid to upper 80’s due to how much I like that club. In fact, a part of me wanted it to out preform the Epic Max LS for various reasons but I can’t overlook the improvements that I feel the Epic Max LS provides. Its going in my bag and not likely to come out any time soon.
Final Score: 92 of 100
Again, Thanks MGS for entrusting this test to me and Callaway for providing the equipment for an unbias testing platform.
DawgDaddy reacted to fixyurdivot in Final Reviews: Evnroll V-Series Putters
Greetings Spies. My name is Bill and I reside in southwest Montana. I'm ecstatic and honored to have been selected among the thousands of who applied to test the latest Evnroll series putters. A HUGE THANK YOU to the folks at Evnroll and MyGolfSpy for providing this the numerous other product tests!! I find these product reviews to be very informative and meaningful. Marketing claims are "put to the test" by fellow amateur players with no strings attached. I have used these reviews as part of my recent equipment changes and will do my best to provide you all with a meaningful review of the Evnroll ER5v putter.
A little about me. I was introduced to the game by my Dad at 5 years old growing up in Ft. Lauderdale, FL and played on the JGA for a few years before the family relocated to Sacramento, CA. I have always played the game but, like so many, went through periods where I played quite a bit and then not as often. For a brief time, I had a 9 handicap which is my personal best. After 30 years working in aerospace, I retired early and my wife and I moved away from soggy and very busy Puget Sound to the rural life in MT. We live here until the snow fly's (I use porch snow shoveling events as my indicator 🙂), and then we head south to AZ for winter. This affords me lots more golf and fly fishing time when I'm not working around the mini ranch with River, our yellow lab.
I really love the game and work at getting better at it. That said, having gone through a period in my early 20's where I went through a swing change, got completely frustrated, and was no longer enjoying just playing, I now try not to take things too seriously. I'm currently at a 12 handicap and while I really want to once again break 10 simply refuse to allow the journey to become a millstone.
Overall, my putting has been a pretty average part of my game - neither a major impediment or advantage. I have been wielding a PING B61 since 1987 when I used the $100 gift certificate from a company tournament to purchase it from the pro shop. That "fitting" was all of about 15 minutes of me picking through and rolling stuff of the rack and, though I occasionally tested other putters over the years, none ever proved to be worth the investment. For those who have come to know me through the forum, I tend to be a bit data driven, fuss the details, and labor over equipment decisions 😄.
As part of my bag fitting this past winter at TrueSpec Scottsdale, I had a "proper" putter fitting. On the short list of performers was the Evnroll ER5. I held off on procuring one as I was also fitted for and purchased a set of Srixon ZX5's with composite shafts. So imagine my excitement when I saw the "Evnroll Putter Testers Wanted" announcement 😲.... and then the "Testers Selected" announcement.
To be quite honest, I've always had a rather not so enamored reaction to the large MOI, mallet and semi mallet design putters. Like the move from my McGregor persimmon driver to my first Great Big Bertha to my current G410, the traditionalist in me has me feeling dubious and the suspicious part of me thinking I'm just falling for slick, without substance, marketing. But, I watch a lot of tour golf and it's quite clear that these newer design/technology flat sticks are heavily favored.
The ER5v is a mallet design but of a smaller overall size envelope. It is subtle as compared to a number of the more wild looking design profiles on the market. To my eye, that is a positive. I chose their "midsize pistol grip" as it is similar to the stock PING grip I've been using for so long. It looks and feels very nice and, although a bit larger, should be an easy adjustment.
The quality of machining is top shelf and I really like the way it looks at set-up position. The two alignment dots on the ridge and alignment line are also similar to my B61 and that too should help make the change pretty seamless.
As for the head cover, WOW, a thing of beauty and something brand new for me. I have never had a head cover for a putter. These are very well made, fit like a glove, and the magnetic latch is solid. I requested a black cover simply because I was afraid of a white one getting soiled. But now having it in hand, I'm happy they sent the white one.
I spent about 2 hours this morning on the practice green just getting the feel of the putter before delving into comparative testing. My initial impression is that it feels quite different than my PING, slightly heavier, and definitely more solid on contact. The B61 is 351g and the ER5V 380g. One would not think 29g difference would be that perceptible but is most definitely is.
Some of you may know that I just recently changed to a left hand low grip and it has been proving very beneficial - particularly on putts 5 feet and closer. I felt like I was not losing any gains from those distances. Lags from 30 feet took a little more time to dial in but, by the end of the session, felt comparable to my PING.
PXL_20210717_180656423.20210717_120740.mp4 So now onto the "meat and potatoes" that is the biggest aspect of Evnroll putters... "Sweet Face Technology". Guerin Rife's patented, novel design of variable spaced face grooves aimed at zero dispersion. The key being that the entire putter face is the "sweet spot" as opposed to the competition having a small, centered sweet spot. Like the other testers, I'm very intrigued by the design and claims, and want to put this to the test.
I'm planning to use the current MGS Putter Testing protocol as part of my review https://mygolfspy.com/how-we-test-putters/, but with some slight modifications. I'll share the details of that in upcoming posts. If you have any ideas about testing or questions about the putter, please let me know.
This is going to be a fun test and I sure hope many of you will follow along as the four of us put these latest Evnroll putters to the test.
Evnroll ER5v / Stage Two Review / by FIXYURDIVOT
This has been a really fun review to do and I once again want to say Thank You to the folks at Evnroll and My Golf Spy for the opportunity! Hopefully I have sufficiently done my part in providing a thorough review and in adding meaningful content to the ever growing library of product tests/reviews. I can say first hand that these reviews have become my "go to" source when wanting to get the scoop on new and old gear. Having candid feedback and scoring from peers is way more valuable to me than most all other sources. So here goes... lets add yet another one to the MGS vault 👍.
Putters are truly, as so many state, such a personal and unique club within our bags. They come in a seemingly endless mix of designs - from the completely esoteric to the mundane. They are the single most used arrow in the quiver and responsible for roughly 35% of most average amateur scores.
Personally, it is a club I payed very little attention too over my 55 years of play and, although I occasionally grabbed one in a pro shop to test out, never felt any would offer an advantage to my 30+ years in the bag PING B61. Hey, I'm used to it, and if I want to get better at putting, it will be 90% technique and 10% putter... or so I thought.
As it happened, I recently committed to a Left Hand Low grip while playing with some fellow spies at this years PNW Spy Meet-up. I had briefly tried using this a couple years earlier but it felt weird and I gave up on it. This time I was able to get past the awkward stage and get to where it feels "normal", and I'm seeing some improvement. Most importantly being my starting line and secondary make percentage on short putts. So, the timing of this test opportunity, combined with the fact that the ER5v ended up the putter of choice from my True Spec fitting was simply awesome!
If you've been following my Stage One and the test thread discussions, you'll know that I had two key tests I wanted to complete as part of the performance aspect of the ER5v putter:
Strokes Gained Test Validate "Sweet Face/Zero Dispersion" Claim The Strokes Gained Test was a slightly modified version of MGS's Putter Testing Method. Where they test SG between various testers, I simply compared my B61 to the ER5v. I also revised how putts were made from the 5, 10, and 20 foot distances. Instead of repeating a series of putts from one location, I arranged a wagon-wheel spoke pattern around the hole.
The test consisted of (5) putts around hole, from all three distances, (5) times - for a total of 75 putts. Each putt not holed was putted out and total strokes counted for each ball rolled. This data was entered into a spreadsheet and, using the provided calculations, yielded the following results.
The Validate "Sweet Face/Zero Dispersion" claim consisted of trying to replicate robot putter test results with heel, center, and toe strikes. The basis of Evnroll's "zero dispersion" is that the milled groove pattern is of such design that, regardless of whether you contact the putter face, balls struck in the same manner (face path and force) will rollout to the same distance. Hey, that is some heady stuff right there - a very bold claim. I don't know about you, but a putter that keeps my off center hits from diverging away from the target is definitely of interest.
To test this, I putted balls from a single spot at a distance of 20 feet. My gut told me the effect (if there indeed was one) would be easier to see on long putts. I recorded how putts ended up; short, long, left and right of the hole. I added line marks on the top rail for the heel and toe hits. These were the results of that testing.
Clearly the Strokes Gained test indicates improved performance over the B61. In particular is the gain on the 5 foot putts. A potential of nearly 1.7 stroke per round would be very welcomed. With all other aspects of my game kept in current form, this alone might finally get me to my 10 handicap goal! To really validate this, one or two more repetitions of the 75 putt test should be done... but I like what I see thus far. If you really want to compare some putters against your "Billy Baroo", I highly recommend using this SG analysis.
As for the "Sweet Face/No Dispersion test, it was much less revealing. I think it is simply too difficult to repeatedly control face path and impact force to the degree necessary to validate rollout distance and dispersion. I used the B61 as a comparison point since it has no grooves at all. I tested both in the house on short/dense pile carpet and on the practice green. Overall, I could make a weak case for the ER5v offering better dispersion and more consistent rollout. I will say that toe hits on the ER5v did seem to move back from right to left - the reasons for this are discussed in an independent lab, robot putt test using the ER1. Regrettably, I'm going to have to rely on this labs and Guerin Rife's robot putting tests for this claim... but I do believe there is benefit.
The ER5v is, IMO, an eye grabber. It strikes a very good balance of bling and subtlety. The mallet style head has the tell-tale wings which are inherent of high MOI putters but it has a streamline look and far from the Marvel comics, exotic winged designs some have within its design group. The quality of machining is top shelf and the distinctive red Evnroll logo on the face looks perfect. The black color/red end cap midsize pistol grip I chose is of very good quality and has a slightly soft feel. Having tried several of the SuperStroke type grips, I find this a nice compromise to those and the stock PING pistol grip - definitely larger but no overly so.
The headcover is very nice looking, well made, and fits perfect. It's hidden magnet closure makes opening and closing easy. Not ever having had a putter headcover, I feel like "I've arrived" 😆.
My only reduction in score comes from the back portion alignment mark. First that the paint fill is a wee bit inconsistent, and second, that it is black color. The top rail has no line but rather two unfilled/painted dots. I think these would be much more helpful if filled with white paint and perhaps allowing the customer to choose the alignment mark paint fill color (black, white or ??). To be fair, Evnroll's on-line order form does allow upcharge addition of a top rail align mark, no marks top or back, and color fill options. But they should, IMO, offer choice of fill or no fill and color, on the stock dots and hatch section line, as the no upcharge options.
Sound & Feel (10/10)
I would describe the sound of the ER5v as a moderate tick - definitely not ringy or loud. Unfortunately I have very little experience with other putters to compare it too and to be fair, club sound is not an overly important factor to me. I don't notice any difference when hitting across various places on the face - center strikes, toe and heel strikes sound the same. My apologies but this is one characteristic I'm not able to offer much help with. Here is a recording of what it sounds like.
PXL_20210728_193211104.mp4 As for feel, that is much more important to me and I would describe this putter as solid and authoritative. The 380g head weight is quite a change from the B61 (351g) but I do like that added heft. Strikes feel very solid and center strikes feel different than extreme toe and heel strikes. This is a nice attribute, especially when practicing as you get (or at least I do) a different feel in my hands.
Basic Characteristics (17/20)
I have been able to play 5 rounds and spend somewhere on the order of 6 hours on practice greens using/testing the putter. I am finding it a bit more accurate than my current gamer and the aforementioned SG analysis confirms this. Distance control is good and it seemed I was able to very quickly adjust to it. I feel much more confident rolling short range putts with the ER5v. Perhaps it's the overall size envelope that evokes sense of confidence - ala the 460cc driver? The longer backend and alignment stripe seems to fit my sightline well and it's similar to my current putter.
This being a high MOI design putter, it is intended to help with face path stability and reduced twisting on off center strikes. My True Spec fitting found this mallet and a semi-mallet style as my best fit and, based on the limited time I've used the ER5v, I feel it performs as intended.
I find the putter to be very playable from all green slope conditions. I recall my True Spec fitter saying my B61's loft was 5 degrees and this putter is 2 degrees (which he said is the new normal) and that I might find rolls through taller grass requiring a bit more force. A recent round had "greenskeeper woke up on the wrong side of the bed pin placements" and I'm not sure there was a flat lie within 10' of the hole on most greens but I putted just fine. As for apron and fringe rolls, the putter is adept at those as well. I holed one from the apron and banged another off the pin from the fringe.
On-Course Performance (26/30)
Pretty much straight away, I found a good groove with the ER5v. I thought it would take longer to adjust to such a big shift in size envelope and weight, but it did not. Now I will say a good portion of my putting confidence has come from the LHL grip change, but rolling this putter seems to have added even more confidence. Total putts in the 5 rounds I've played the putter have been 34, 32, 30, 34, 31. This is pretty consistent with my numbers playing my gamer but one key difference is that I'm getting closer to and past the hole a bit more often. This is resulting in fewer knee-knockers which the SG numbers show is my largest gain.
For many this may be of little importance but I love putter designs that allow you to scoop up the ball. The B61 is among the best I've ever seen/tried doing this and, having become so used to using this for over 3 decades, it's a feature I want. At True Spec, I attempted this several times and had balls rolling every which way across the studio. The rear "hatched out" potion of the putter certainly looks capable of this feat but I walked away from that fitting not thinking it was likely.
Much to my surprise however is that, with a little practice, the ER5v does do a pretty good job of scooping up balls. Still not as efficient as the PING but I'm getting the hang of it and, with a little practice, should have it mastered.
PXL_20210721_211135338.mp4 One thing we have not talked about, that is a particularly cool feature of the "v" models, is the ability to swap out shafts. While the vast majority of us probably won't do so, this affords a nice modular aspect to the design. With putter fittings becoming more common, it could prove beneficial whereby the head is optimal but a different shaft might be needed. Much like drivers and woods, we are finding the ability to swap shafts very useful... kudos to Evnroll for adding this capability to their putters!
Play It or Trade It? (20/20)
What, not already obvious? 😆 Umm, yea, this putter is definitely staying in the bag. Simply based on the strokes gained test alone, my gut tells me it's conservatively worth a stroke/round. For whatever reason, I feel more confident with it - particularly at close range where I tend to give away too many strokes. Any club change takes a little time to adjust to its nuisances and I'm quite certain my performance with this putter will only improve with time.
The ER5v and I just flat out "hit it off". Definitely a drastic change in design and weight from my gamer but it feels very natural in my hands - making the LHL feel more normal if that makes any sense. These putters are of top shelf quality and packed with GI technology. While I couldn't definitively validate the "Sweet Face/No Dispersion" claims, we have seen independent tests that show it's definitely not all marketing hype. One can argue "low vs. no dispersion" is more appropriate but regardless it does what it is designed to do - help us putt better.
Bottom line is that, if you struggle with dispersion from off center strikes and resultant inconsistent rollout distances, Guerin Rife's novel groove design will help with that.
I would not hesitate to recommend anyone looking to make a putter change/upgrade to include Evnroll among your list of candidates!
Thank You again to Evnroll and MGS for this amazing opportunity!
Final Score (91/100)
DawgDaddy reacted to Hook DeLoft in Final Reviews: Evnroll V-Series Putters
Hi Everyone. First of all, a huge thank you to Evnroll and MyGolfSpy for the testing opportunity. This forum is by far my favorite on line.
A little background: I'm 64 years old and started playing golf in my mid 30's. Until the last 2 or 3 years, my handicap stayed in the 12 to 14 range. It is now around 9 and dropping. In case you're wondering, retirement helps your scores😉 I play 2 or 3 times a week, weather allowing. I have never been a big hitter and getting older hasn't helped, but the modern golf ball and long shafted, oversize drivers have helped me maintain most of the distance I had in my 30's. My bag currently consists of a Ping G425 driver, Taylormade HL 3 wood, Callaway Heavenwood, Cobra 8 wood and PXG original generation 0211 irons. My current flat stick is a Ping Sigma2 Anser (more on that later). I have about 8 sand wedges and lob wedges I rotate for no good reason, but chipping and pitching have historically been a strength of my game. From the beginning, my putting has been a weakness of my game. Take a peek at my avatar. When I first started playing, I used a Wilson 8800 putter thanks to my admiration of Ben Crenshaw's stroke. Sadly, my putting stroke wasn't nearly good enough for that Wilson putter. I think it had the sweet spot the size of a gnat's backside. I also had a lot of arc in my stroke that led to inconsistency.
After a few years of trying a lot of putters, I picked up a semi-mallet Odyssey putter that worked much better for me. It also had a larger grip, which I think lessened the arc in my swing. I still wasn't what I would call a good putter. After a few years, I went to a Ping Craze E, which was a huge mallet. With an oversize grip, it worked pretty well but, naturally, it went sour after a while. Then came a Taylormade Spider and then a Happy mallet.
About a year and a half ago, I borrowed an old Ping Pengyo putter from a buddy. He is very tall and the putter was 36 inches with a huge grip. Suddenly, I became a good putter! My stroke smoothed out and my speed control improved dramatically. After 6 months of putter bliss, the buddy moved out of state and took the putter with him. Aarrrgh! No amount of begging and no amount of money would convince him to let me keep the putter.
Enter the Ping Sigma 2. I ordered it at 36" with an oversize grip. It works pretty well, but not as well as the old Pengya. I am hoping that the Evnroll will have some of the mojo of that old Ping.
A couple of shots of the putter. As you can see, it's a variation on the classic Ping/Scotty Cameron blade shape. Everything about the putter exudes quality. The finish is top notch and the head cover is a magnetic model that won't fall off.
I went to the putting green yesterday to give it a whirl. The weight is lighter than my Ping, despite being over length. On center strikes, it has a nice soft feel and sound. When hit on the heel or toe, it sounds and feels "clang-y". I did notice that speed didn't suffer much on off center strikes.
At the putting green I was pushing a lot of putts. I was hoping I would be able to correct that for this morning's round. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. I had to really concentrate on releasing the putter through impact or the ball went right. At the moment, I don't know if the problem is alignment or something else. I use an alignment mark on my ball and set the putter perpendicular to that, but it is certainly possible my stance was closed and I didn't realize it. I'll go back to the putting green Monday and see if I can work out the problem. Even though I struggled with the line this morning, the speed control was good and I took 28 official putts, plus 3 from the fringe.
I'll post more results and photos after the putting session Monday.
After a long session at the putting green, I have to say this putter is the bee's knees, the cat's meow, the real stuff. Obviously, the earlier problem pushing putts was user error. Really, was there ever any doubt? I started with some short, straight putts and then moved to longer putts and breaking putts. Below is a pic of the result of 3 putts from 12 feet:
I stupidly took one of the balls out of the cup before thinking to take the pic. 2 out of 3 from 12 feet and almost perfect speed on the miss.
Here's a pic of 3 putts from 60 feet:
The worst putt here was 4 feet away and that was the one that got past the hole where the green slopes down to the edge.
We are having a dangerous heat wave here but I plan to get in a round in the next few days using my Shot Scope V3 to track my putting stats.
I have mentioned the grip on this putter only in passing. It is a Gravity grip. I don't think you would say it is a counter balanced grip but it is a similar idea. There is a metal bar inside the grip on the underside that runs the length of the grip. Evnroll claims that it makes it harder for the player to rotate the face away from square. At the putting green, I was starting almost everything on the line I had picked, so maybe there is something to it.
THE LATEST 18:
I played this morning at a course I play maybe 8 times a year. The putter was working extremely well. The distance control was just about perfect on every putt. I started the putts on the lines I picked on every putt but one and that one was a 20 footer that missed the hole by 4 inches on the left after a pull. I had 29 putts, but that doesn't tell the whole story. I didn't hit anything close all day and had 7 one putts and no 3 putts. If this keeps up I'll be buried with this putter.
Below is a quick video of one of the most important performance aspects of a putter:
And I would like to point out that was off a down slope. Very handy for swiping up the ball after you've shot yourself out of the hole!
Now for the ratings:
Looks: 5 Stars Obviously, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I've decided to score this category based on the quality of construction and finish. Both are top notch. The putter has a quality look and the finish is impeccable.
Sound & Feel: 5 Stars The putter really shines in this category. The ball feels and sounds just a tiny bit soft coming off the face, but, at the same time, very solid. If you put a terrible stroke on the ball, then you will get a little bit of a clanky feel and sound, but you have to miss the sweet spot by a lot for that to happen.
Basic Characteristics: 5 Stars Evnroll gives you a choice of hosel styles with each head, allowing you to pick one that fits your eye and stroke. I ordered one of the choices to fit well with a slight arc and it worked beautifully for me. They have options for those with a straight back through stroke and those with a lot of arc in the stroke. I think this is a huge plus. It helped me start most putts on the line I had chosen.
On-course Performance: 5 Stars Using this putter, my ability to hit my line and my speed control have improved dramatically. Evnroll makes a big deal of their "Sweet Face Technology." Well, they should. It flat out works.
Miscellaneous: 4 Stars I'm dinging them one star here because the packaging wasn't the best I've seen. There was no padding to protect the putter from shipping company gorillas.
Play it or Trade it: 5 Stars This putter is firmly ensconced in my bag. At this point, any other club in my bag is replaceable. Not the Evnroll.
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Evnroll ER5v Introduction
Howdy! I am Corbin Jeffs from College Station, Texas, and I will be getting married in September this year.
I really appreciate Mygolfspy and Evnroll for giving me the opportunity to test the ER5v. For the last 2 years, I have managed a Commercial Driving Academy, and recently transitioned doing it for the local college. I started playing golf almost 10 years ago, and started at the same course I am now back as a member at, The Golf Club at Texas A&M. I served in the US Army, and now I volunteer to help coach the Texas A&M Corps of Cadets (future Military Officers) golf team. Although I coach more than I play, I really enjoy helping young students with the challenges of golf and as they are maturing into young adults. I have started working on my game again, my goal was to get below a 5 handicap by the end of 2021 and I have been as low as 6.6, so let’s see if this putter and the work I am going to put in on the practice green will get me there.
I came to Mygolfspy because of these forum reviews, mainly the Superspeed reviews, and because of the success the testers had I bought the set. It transformed my game and I improved so much. So I always will test in hopes others can make informed decisions to improve their game, as I have made in my own. In my bag, I recently added the Cobra Radspeed Driver because of the massive distance gains helping lower my spin. I am averaging over 20 yards longer over the Ping G410 LST. I have the Sim Max 3 wood, which I use primarily off the tee. The biggest change to my bag is I replaced my 3 and 4 irons with the TSi2 18* and Ping G410 22* hybrids, and I am so much more confident hitting greens from a long ways away. I have the 639 CB/MB combo set from Sub70, and they are probably what gets noticed the most in my bag. My Mizuno T20 wedges have been really solid for me this year. The final slot has been the putter I have the most confidence in that I have ever used so far, the Odyssey 2 Ball Ten S with Triple Track, so this should be a great head to head battle.
Driving and putting are the two strengths of my game, so when I was announced with this opportunity I was excited. I have always been drawn to blade style putters, but a year ago when I went through a putter fitting it was suggested I use a mallet, and I have not gone back to a blade since that day. I have used Scotty Cameron, Ping, Taylormade, and Evnroll.
Putting stroke.mp4 I have a slower tempo, with a slight arc to my stroke. I like to run my putts in with some speed on the short ones, but on longer putts I tend to leave short. My miss is typically a pull to the left. Since using the Odyssey 2 Ball, I am confident in short and mid-range putts, and honestly probably make more than I should according to my buddy. My lag putting cannot be blamed on the putter, and I have improved, but some added confidence in the longer putts would be amazing.
My first impression of the ER5v, is everything I hoped it would be, and more. I have always like this style of head shape, and but the way Evnroll cuts away from the topline into the hatchback/ fang area really frames it well at address. The nearest store that carries Evnroll for me is 90 miles, and when selected I drove there to test the different hosels, could not test it with the ER5v, because those do not stay in stock very long. For me it was between the short slant and short plumber, and I went with the short plumber’s neck. I really liked the way it sat at address, and I was more comfortable with it in my stroke. They had a perfect practice mat at the store and I was rolling putts in with ease with the short plumber’s neck. I was torn on what grip I was going to choose, and ultimately I went with the Gravity Grip. It is much bigger than what I am used to, but I did like how I felt squarer while trying the different styles. I ended up choosing the ER5v, 35 inch Short Plumber with the Gravity Grip.
One thing Evnroll claims that I am really looking forward to testing head to head is the Sweet Face Technology. I have had the Evnroll ER2 in the bag and loved it. I am no robot, but I will do my best to test the groove technology, the 2 dot system on breaking putts, and test to the best of my ability on the distance control on off centered putts. I am also, going to put it head to head against my Odyssey 2 Ball Ten S Triple Track on distances of 5, 10, and 20 feet and keep track of my make percentages and 3 putts from those distances. I will also, using my Puttout Gates, and I have a yard stick and see which one will stay on line better. To earn a spot in my bag will be tough over the 2 Ball Ten, it has been really good for me. Although, if the ER5v can limit my 3 putts, and if it can somehow find a way to hole more putts I will gladly put it in the bag. If you have any other requests of what you would like to see tested just let me know. I am really looking forward to this test!
STAGE TWO- EVNROLL V- SERIES PUTTER
OFFICIAL REVIEW BY CJEFFS12
Let me start off by saying this was by far the most fun and work I have done in a review so far. I spent a lot of hot, sweaty humid days down here in Texas, on the Golf Club at Texas A&M’s practice greens. With that said I am so appreciative of this opportunity to have tested the Evnroll ER5v with short Plumbers Neck. I kept track of the numbers from distances of 5,10, and 20 feet from 5 spots around a hole. I also, tested it on a ruler to check on how it does staying on my target line, and I also tested to the best of my ability strike location and the groove technology. I also kept track of how many putts I had per round as I played.
LOOKS (10 out of 10)-
I went with the ER5v which is the Hatchback model, or fang style, and this is by far my favorite looking putter. One thing that really stands with the Evnroll over other heads I have seen in this style, is how defined the lines are on the head. It looks like it is carved, not just one flowing piece. With the topline cut in a way that where they cut down the fangs, and it looks like two separate parts. This really helped me with alignment because it is a square bar, and made it easy to know when it was square at address. Another great feature was the back cutout was the moon shape between the tip of the fangs. It created an almost mirror effect with the golf ball to aide in center strike and setup. I really like the way that the head sits with regards to the hosel, it just really looked proper to my eye. The fangs were a good length, not too long like some I have seen, and with the inside part was cut in straight lines and defined it created an almost railroad effect. The two lines would create parallel lines along my target line, which helped me aim. The defined lines that make this putter look so amazing, make aligning and aiming this putter so easy.
SOUND AND FEEL (6 out of 10)-
For the last year I have had an insert putter, and maybe more muted sounding. The Envroll was very tingy sounding, almost like I was putting with a tin can or can of soup. I thought it was because I was using a firm golf ball, Pro V1x, so I bought some Pro V1, and it was the same. I do feel the sweet spot strikes were a bit better sounding than off center strikes. It is not offensive to me, but sounds is the hardest thing for me to explain due to my reduced hearing in my left ear. The feel for me was just as I like, solid. I never felt like I had any balls jump off the face, and I could easily tell where I struck on the face. This was every evident when I did the strike test, and never once did I have a question when I was getting the toe and heel strikes. When I did hit one off center I could tell where on the face I struck it, but I did not feel like the putter face would twist. It was very stable, and very forgiving, which is where The ER5v really stood out when it comes to my putting numbers, and how confident I would become with this putter. There was one round I felt like every putt was going to fall even on my dreaded downhill right breaking putts.
BASIC CHARACTERISTICS (19 out of 20)-
I said in my introduction, that I thought it was going to be hard to beat the Odyssey 2 Ball Ten S with Triple Track, as it is a really good putter for me. Yet, the Evnroll ER5v, is an outstanding putter for me. When it comes to accuracy, throughout the week at night, I will putt on my mat and put down a 4 foot ruler to check start line and if I can roll it straight. I kept track of 100 putts and with the Evnroll I had made it all the way off on 96, and with the Odyssey I made it all the way off on 92. I also, track of 100 putts from 5 spots around a hole from 5 10 and 20 feet. I kept track of make percentage, number of 3 putts from each distance, I also include PGA make percent just so I can keep myself in check. Obviously I am on a putting green, but before I saw these stats I really thought they made way more than the average. Here was my results…
EVNROLL TESTING TRACKER
PGA MAKE %
ODYSSEY 2 BALL TEN TRIPLE TRACK S
PGA MAKE %
There were several days where I felt like I couldn’t miss with the Evnroll from 5 feet. To me where the Evnroll really stood out to me was at 20 feet, and how consistently close my balls were finishing to the hole compared to the 2 Ball Ten. It shows in the number of 3 putts I had with the 2 ball compare to the Er5v. I really had to grind on some putts coming back with the 2 Ball Ten, but with the Er5v I had so many tap ins or inside 3 feet putts I hardly stressed when I was on the 20 footers with it. Which leads me to the Strike/ Groove Technology test between the two models. I was torn on how I wanted to test the strike test, Evnroll has a great video of robot testing and how well the groove technology works. I am far from a robot, and if this technology was going to work it needs to work on my free swing. So, I would address putts out the middle, off the toe and off the heel. I was surprised on how difficult it was to purposely miss-hit it a putt.
CENTER STRIKE TEST EVNROLL
ODYSSEY CNETER STRIKE TEST
EVNROLL TOE STRIKE TEST
ODYSSEY TOE STRIKE TEST
EVNROLL HEEL STRIKE TEST
ODYSSEY HEEL STRIKE TEST
On the miss-hits is where I noticed the Evnroll shined and the Odyssey struggled. Even on miss hits the Evnroll would tend to be inside the length of the putter, but for the 2 Ball Ten S there would be atleast one per group that would finish outside the length of the putter. I used the Evnroll every time so show a consistent representation for distance around the hole. This confirms what I was seeing from the 20 foot test, and how well I was able to not 3 putt with the Evnroll due to it really holding its line and consistently finishing around the hole.
ON COURSE PERFORMANCE (28 out of 30)-
I was able to get the ER5v, out on the course quite a bit. At first, I was not sure if I wanted to take a wedge out of the bag and still bring the 2 Ball Ten S out as well. I did not, I only took the ER5v, and it never came out the bag since. In my 20 rounds before the ER5v, I was averaging 34.1 putts per round, in the rounds I had with the ER5v I averaged 31.6. I even had one round with no 3 putts!! I found that I could be more aggressive with my lines and speed, which in turn helped me sink more putts especially in key moments of my matches with my buddies. The ER5v, even helped me sink a huge birdie putt to win a match. It was so good one day, my buddies laughed about not allowing the ER5v in our money matches. Where I struggled at first with the Er5v, was putts on the fringe. Yes, I am from Texas, but I don’t use the Texas wedge all that often. I wanted to use the putter as often as I could, and in as many situations as I could. I had a 20 foot putt for eagle, with the first 5 feet through the fringe, and I embarrassingly left it well short. I noticed that I had to hit it noticeably more firm when on the fringe, and I improved a lot with those shots after that moment. I think it is because it starts rolling on the ground almost instantly, and I practiced it more after that putt. It was a learning moment, and now I have a new shot to use on the course. Overall, this putter has saved me 3 shots a round on the green, and it is very surprising due to my horrendous ball striking during this test, and I will keep posting as I get more rounds under the belt. I am very optimistic as I am working with the pro on my ball striking, that my handicap will go down. Swing changes are hard lol. When asked about how my impressions on Evnroll, and my opinion on the direction they should go moving forward, I would say I am impressed. I have used Evnroll before, but I did not get along with a face balanced model. I hope they will never go away from the groove technology, nor the added hosels of the V-series. They are game changers, and I do believe I will be an Evnroll customer as long as this continues.
MISCELLANEOUS (7 out of 10)-
There was some confusion at the beginning on how the ordering was going to happen, but once we placed the order, my putter came in quickly. I really like the quality of the headcover, it is a really soft leather, but more importantly it stays on. With other putter covers the magnet or Velcro would not hold and I would lose it. I haven’t had that issue at all. Another thing is the Gravity grip, I really like the idea behind it, but find it too big. I would wonder if they could make a similar shape but a little more narrow. The ER5v really caught the eye of the Pro at my course, and would always come by and roll some putts with it, and my playing partners always hated to see it in the bag, so that’s how I know it is good.
PLAY IT OR TRADE IT (20 out of 20)-
This has been in my bag since I received it, and it is staying there. I may dabble with trying a different putter grip, but it is staying in the bag. Being confident on putts inside 10 feet that I feel will go in the hole, and not worrying about 3 putting as much is huge for my game. I think anyone who miss hit putts should really look into this putter.
I am really thankful for the opportunity of testing the Evnroll ER5v, I put a lot of hours on the practice green to get the data for this test. I tested it alongside my Odyssey 2 Ball Ten S with triple track, and saw improvements from 5 10 and 20 feet. On the course I was 3 putts better a round on average, and one round with no 3 putts. I could see a difference in my lag putting with the Evnroll ER5v. I really like the looks, and this may well be my favorite putter, so I can easily overlook the sound of the putter. I will continue to put the groove technology to the test, and keep practicing these distances so see how the numbers hold up over time. If anyone wants a forgiving putter, or struggles with 3 putting, I really believe they should give the Evnroll a try!
FINAL SCORE: 90/100
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I would like to thank My Golf Spy and Evnroll for the opportunity to be a tester for one of the new V series putters. I will be testing a 34” Evnroll ER11v with the long plumber neck. I have a slight arc to my putting stroke. I have been an off and on golfer since my mid-20s, after getting out of the Army in the late 80s. I was born and raised in the San Francisco Bay Area and grew up across the street from a golf course, but I never played the game as a kid. I once came home from school to find a broken bedroom window and a golf ball on my bed. That golf course was Sharp Park Golf Course in Pacifica, CA. It was designed by Alister MacKenzie. The first course I ever played a full 18 holes on though was Harding Park. That was well before it was managed by the Arnold Palmer Company and before it became a TPC site.
My professional life started in the US Army where I was trained to maintain and repair medical equipment. I got out of the army and joined a medical imaging equipment manufacturer where I worked for 31 years. That company had moved me all over the U.S. My first move took me from California to Connecticut for several years. It was in CT that I recorded my one and only eagle. It was in league play, and it was a pitch in on a par 5 on the 9th hole at Grassy Hills Country Club in Orange, CT. Work then moved back across country to the Seattle area. There were several courses I enjoyed playing in Washington. Walter Hall in Everett, WA was my home course. In 2018, my wife and I moved cross country again to be closer to family. This time to Central New York, just outside of Syracuse. In 2019 my job changed and joined the ranks of semi-retirement which now allows me more regular golf, weather permitting as I am fair weather golfer.
My current home course is Radisson Greens in Baldwinsville, NY. It is an 18-hole par 72 course at 6360 yards from the white tees. The course was designed by Robert Trent Jones, Sr. I purchased a Monday through Thursday membership there this year and I get out a couple of times a week weather permitting. The course is very challenging, but I love the layout. It is tree lined and tight in spots. I do have an uncanny knack for finding trees especially on hole number 5 and water on hole number 3.
I do not have a handicap, other than my swing. I generally shoot around 100. Most recently I have seen improvements in my putting and wedge play. My real struggle has been off the tee. The “How’d You Play” section of the forum has me looking at my game more closely. Reading the posts of others has inspired me to pay more attention to all aspects of my game.
I play golf because I enjoy being out walking the course and if good scores come than it is a bonus. I also am an equipment junkie. I remember reading Golf Equipment Magazine (one of those paper things that was out before the internet 😄). If I had the means, I would probably be a putter collector. I just love the aesthetics of good golf equipment design which explains why I installed BB&F Co. Valentina ferrules on my irons. I also have a small collection of third party designed headcovers, mostly Rose & Fire with a couple of Scotty Cameron’s thrown in for good measure.
On the equipment front, my first set of clubs was a Wilson box set with wooden woods. From there my bag make up has changed but my woods have seen the most changes. I have rotated through a lot of TaylorMade Divers and fairway woods, but I eventually switched to Ping. My Ping G400 Max was the first time I was fitted for a club, and I have yet to find a reason to change it. My iron history is small starting with Dunlop DDH II, TaylorMade Super Steel, Ping G25 (I won these through work) which brings me to my current set of PXG 0211. The PXG clubs entered my bag mostly because of price. The For Heroes Program PXG offers was just too good of a deal to pass up. The PXG 0341 3 wood is the best performing 3 wood I have ever had in my bag. My wedges have either been Cleveland or Callaway. My putter history was primarily Anser style putters. They include two TaylorMade putters the last being the Rossa Daytona 1. I gamed Odyssey Metal X Milled #2 but I did not like the feel of it. It was a My Golf Spy review and Most Wanted win that led me to trying Evnroll putters for the first time. I ended up with a mallet putter for the first time when I purchased the ER7. I was initial attract to the idea of a higher MOI putter but really like the feel and consistency of the roll the ER7 gave me. I am also a member of the “Pushcart Mafia” with a Clicgear 3.5+ pushcart.
What’s in my bag?
Bag: TaylorMade Supreme Hybrid Stand Bag
Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5°
Shaft: Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black 5.5
Grip: Golf Pride MCC Plus 4 Teams
3 Wood: PXG Gen 1 0341 15°
Shaft: Project X EvenFlow Blue 5.5
Grip: Golf Pride MCC Plus 4 Teams
Utility: New Level Golf 18° Utility Iron
Shaft: Mitsubishi Kura Kage Black 70IR S-Flex
Hybrid: Ping G30 19°
Shaft: Ping TFC 419H Regular Flex
Grip: Golf Pride MCC Plus 4 Teams
Ping G410 Crossover 4
Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei Blue Regular Flex
Grip: Golf Pride MCC Plus 4 Teams
Irons: PXG 0211 5 – GW
Shafts: True Temper Elevate 95 w/VSS Regular Flex
Grip: PXG Lamkin Z5
Wedge: Callaway Mack Daddy CB 54°/14° W Grind
Shafts: KBS 105 Hi Rev 2.0 Wedge Flex
Grip: Callaway Golf Pride SG-1
Putter: Evnroll ER7 34”
Grip: Evnroll non-taper 1.2
Bushnell NEO Ion GPS watch
Kirkland Signature 3 piece
July 14, 2021 - First Taste
I ventured out to the practice green at a local course, Hickory Hill, for my first putts out of my basement with the ER11v. I also brought my current gamer, ER7, to do some quick comparisons.
I putted a bit to get a feel for the green then proceeded to using the Strokes Gained Putting system developed by Columbia Business School professor, Mark Broadie for MGS. Initial impressions. I prefer the look of alignment aids on the ER11v over the ER7. I prefer the sound and feel of the ER7. As for the strokes gained numbers, that will have to wait.
I will be taking the ER11v out for round tomorrow. More to come
July 15, 2021 - First Time on the Course
The putter performed really well for me for the first time out. I played a quick 9 and was most pleased. I had four 1 putts, including a 15 footer on number 9. There was only one disaster hole. I would attribute that to operator error. I total misread and I pulled the putt to boot. I ordered a Joby Gorilla Pod to take videos on the course which will arrive on July 16th.
Not gonna lie. I love the way this putter looks.
Stage Two – Evnroll V Series Putters – Official MGS Forum Review by @MattWillGolf
I tested this putter on the course, on a PuttOUT mat in my basement and on the practice green. On the practice green I used the Strokes Gained Putting system developed by Columbia Business School professor, Mark Broadie. I did this over several sessions on the green to compare the ER11v with my current gamer, the ER7. Both putters are 34-inch mallets having a high MOI. The ER11v head weighs 365 grams and the ER7 is 370 grams.
Looks (10 out of 10 points)
The putter I tested was a 34” ER11v. It is a mallet putter with a long putter neck designed for a putting stroke with a slight arc. I found the graphics to add to the shelf appeal. I really liked the black head with silver weights. The design is very clean at address. I found the alignment aids, a single dot and 2 lines along the length of head to be complementary and really focused me at address. The rear of the putter is slightly framed at address. I am very pleased with the design. The black anodized head, simple neck, black shaft, and black Tour Tac Grip really come together to make a putter that for me inspired confidence. The putter’s appearance is what initially attracted me to choosing this putter. I like the looks much better than my current putter. As I have had this putter in my bag, I am noticing some wear marks on the anodized black finish. I generally remove the putter cover on the first green and store during the round.
Sound & Feel (9 out of 10 points)
The ER11v “feels” sharper at contact and the sound is something I would describe as crisp. It reminds if a rap of the knuckle on a very solid wooden door. There is a noticeable difference when compared to my ER7. I prefer the sound of the ER7. But honestly if I didn’t have the ER7 to compare it too I would probably give the score here a 10. I conducted a feel test between the 2 putters. I donned a pair of noise canceling headphones and turned up the volume and played R.E.M.’s Eponymous album. Then proceed to hit a series of putts. I could detect no difference in feel. So, for me the only difference is sound. I won’t label the sound of the ER11v as bad. I simply prefer the softer sound of the ER7. This is chalk up to the 303 stainless steel vs. anodized 6061 aluminum. I thought the sound would bother me a little more on the course but when the putts started falling, I forgot about the sound. This putter has far better than sound and feel than one of my previous putters, the Odyssey Metal X Milled #2.
Basic Characteristics (20 out of 20 points)
I gave the ER11v a workout on my PuttOUT mat. I found little difficulty with distance control and accuracy. This putter as with my ER7 are very stable. I also found that the alignment lines on the putter were great help in keeping the putter on path. I used Craftsman Laser as an alignment line as well as the lines on the putting mat. On the course I still have issues reading putts and there is nothing a putter can do to help that, but I can say that on the course putts go where directed. The size of the head gives me confidence in sing the putter from the fringe or out of the rough. The putter’s forgiveness is excellent as it is with my ER7. The “Sweet Face” Technology was something I wanted test a bit further, so I performed a mini strokes gained test at 3 points on the face. Instead of comparing putters I compared face positions. I called them “Left”, “Center”, and “Right”. I used the alignment aids as centering for each segment of the face. The center of the face offered 2.4 stokes gained over the left and center positions. Take that for what its worth given my putting skills. The TourTac Grip feels nice, and it appears to be a bit smaller than the grip on my ER7.
On-Course Performance (30 out of 30 points)
When I was selected to do this test, I started keeping putting stats as I played each round before receiving the ER11v for testing. I generally play 9 holes a couple of times a week. With rounds leading up to testing I got on the course 8 times, and I averaged 16.875 putts per nine holes. With the test ER11v I was only able to get out 6 times with my back acting up. For those six rounds I averaged 16.667 putts per round. I honestly didn’t expect a great deal of difference between the two Evnroll putters. But I can report that on the course I did make more longer putts with the ER11v. The one putt that really stood out was one from the fringe that was over 30 feet. The looks of the ER11v inspired confidence. I often use a putter when close to the green from rough depending on the lie.
I performed the Strokes Gained Test on four different occasions on two different practice greens in my area. As the test is described I putted out five times each from 5 feet, 10 feet, and 20 feet with both the Evnroll ER7 and ER11v.
With testing I found that my overall average for the two putters from 5 feet 1.55 putts, from 10 feet was 1.7 putts and from 20 feet was 2.05 putts. For the same distances the ER7 averaged 1.6 putts at 5 ft., 1.7 putts at 10 feet and 2.1 putts at 20 feet. The ER11v averaged 1.5 putts at 5ft, 1.7 putts at 10 and 2.0 putts at 20 feet. For 18 holes the Strokes Gained Potential was 1.2 strokes in favor of the ER11v.
Miscellaneous (8 out of 10 points)
The design of the putter had an added feature that I disregarded at first but found it to be most useful on the practice green. This feature will be greatly appreciated by those of us afflicted with less than perfect backs. The ER11v has a circular cut out perfect for retrieving balls off the green. The packaging was simple and my putter arrived safely. Maybe a bit more packaging to keep the club more secure would be nice. My point of reference is PXG and Callaway. I really like the design of the ER11 V Series head cover, but I do miss the ball marker that was part of the ER7 head cover. The ER11 head cover mimics the looks of the putter down to the silver embroidery that mimics the putter’s weights. The magnetic closure works well, and the lining is nice and soft. This cover will cause me to put my 3rd party Velcro head cover in the drawer as I have gotten so used to the magnetic closure. My area of concern though is with the durability of the anodized finish as I am starting to see some wear marks on some of corners and edges.
Play it or Trade it? (20 out of 20 points)
I will keep this simple. This putter is staying in my bag. It will be replacing my ER7. This checks all the boxes on the course. The looks and feel inspire confidence. I have sunk the longest putts I have ever sunk with this putter. I use it from the fringe and rough depending on the lie. The mass of the putter gives the confidence to get through the ball. The only issues I have on the greens are not from the putter but are with my greens reading ability. This putter goes where its aimed. Given the neck options offered by Evnroll, there is version of the ER11v for any stroke arc. And they offer an arm lock version as well. I was sold on the face technology long before this putter arrived. If you prefer a mallet then this one is highly recommended.
Thanks to My Golf Spy for this opportunity. It was fun to try something new and get a bit out of my comfort zone. Thanks to my fellow testers for your posts that planted seeds in my head on the test process as it was my first. @fixyurdivot for the example of the strokes gained table. I was struggling with how to get that across in my review. And thanks Evnroll for such a great putter to test. Well before this test was announced the ER11v caught my eye. And from my perspective it met all my expectations. This was a difficult comparison in that I was sold on the Evnroll “Sweet Face” technology with my ER7 going into this test. Both putters are mallets and the only differentiator for me was looks. I do like that the V Series has multiple neck options that support virtually any putting stroke. Evnroll now offers custom paint fill as a purchasable option. I must say I would have enjoyed putting a personal touch on my putter with some orange replacing the red. I am a San Francisco Giants fan after all 😊. If you are in the market for a new putter Evnroll needs to be on your short list. And if you want a high MOI mallet then the ER11v should be at the top meriting a look.
Final Score: 97 out of 100
I decided to switch back to my Evnroll ER7. I believe in the Sweet Face Technology but this was purely because of the sound. The firm, crisp, click just threw me off. I played my first 9 hole round today since switching back and recorded 14 putts over the 9 holes with 2 one putts and the rest were 2 putts with zero 3 putts this included a chip in for par on the first hole. 🙂
The winter months have me putting in the basement. I broke the ER11v again. It’s been rolling really well and I’m not as put off by the sound. I definitely like alignment aids on the back of the mallet. Which begs the question, how often to golfers switch between putters?