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  1. 8 minutes ago, burnsie said:

    I think most golfers are becoming more aware of “slick” marketing as a way for OEMs to continue to gouge their customer base for ridiculous profits.  Every year, religiously, they all come out with “the greatest driver ever made!”; until next year, and all that hype was just crap. THIS YEAR’S model is now the greatest!  Folks, the technology just doesn’t evolve that quickly!

    Let’s face it, just because John Rahm can hit the snot out of the ball with his new Paradym doesn’t mean we all can! If you spray your tee shot invest $150 with a local pro and fix your swing. It’ll feel like a “Jailbreak!” 


    Hate to break the news to you, but this happens in every industry 

    TVs, cars, phones, etc

    Yet internet golfers are the only once’s that whine about it incessantly

    If you don’t need a new driver, don’t buy one. If someone has the money to buy new clubs whenever they want, then more power to them. 

  2. 1 hour ago, ballhawk said:

    We’re still on a pursuit to who can make a driver that can work it at 200 anywhere and everywhere on the face and still goes in the fairway. When that day comes, that’s going to be eye-opening for a lot of individuals because they will be optimizing ball speeds at 195, which can fly 360 yards. And that’s going to change the game forever. But we’re not there yet.”


    Just a thought, what if Wilson re-introduced a new driver with the fat shaft. Could very well be that game changer.........

    A shaft has very little to do with the driver head not producing the same ball speed all over the face.  Think of a trampoline - just by physics there is more flex in the middle than there is around the sides.  Companies are doing their best to offset those losses around the perimeter by moving around weight and using variable face thickness, but there are diminishing returns.

  3. 2 minutes ago, cnosil said:

    From the article:

    Q: How is the “Most Accurate Driver” determined?

    A: The metrics that determine the Most Forgiving Driver are straight shot percentage, playable shot percentage and Strokes Gained (see Most Wanted Scoring section above for more detail).

    Q: How is the “Most Forgiving Driver” determined?

    A: The metrics that determine the Most Forgiving Driver are carry delta, ball speed delta and shot area (see Most Wanted Scoringsection above for more detail).



    as mentioned in the articles FAQ there is more detail in the scoring section. 

    See - I read that and my immediate thought was that straight shots have little to do with club design.  So many "input" factors from all of the testers that makes it quite hard to corelate back to accuracy.

    But I am going to bow out now as I don't want this get to into the weeds.

  4. 13 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

    Agree with this and as I am writing this I am listening to the NPG podcast and Tony is going through a lot of that. 

    I guess it is a balance between finding what a lot of us data nerds love to dive into and what the general consumer wants. 

    I will admit in my preish forum days I could not wait to see the most wanted testing and it had a huge influence on what i would consider or go in to try and purchase. Even though i would still look for fittings, the Most Wanted Results held a lot of weight in swaying my decision. This I think is where a lot of this is directed and made for. Those consumers (as you already said) who want OTR and seeing any number even if it doesn't hold a ton of immediate value it can give them an idea of how much better or worse based on the various well everything. 

    Again with the amount of emails and such we get and see most don't read the article. Most look for the pictures, graphs and key notes. That is all they will really look for and want to read (for better or worse). 

    Finally it is interesting that Tony said in the podcast that drivers were typically more similar in accuracy or forgiveness vs a larger difference in distance. 

    Oh for sure - that is why in my first post I made sure I said that I understood that this testing wasn't for people that want to know more about the data.

    There is a reason that the link to the actual data is a tiny link hidden at the bottom.

    It's a great starting point , but it is also dangerous to people walking around with bits of information that they don't quite understand and proclaiming it as gospel.

    But this goes beyond golf -- critical independent thinking and questioning the why is seemingly a dying art amongst society as a whole

  5. 12 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

    Considering the amount of emails we get with ppl asking why didn't this driver do X or Y and how most skim through the article super quick without much thought and look for graphs or photos/quick hits this is effective. It doesn't make it look outrageous or awful when comparing. 

    It highlights which won, as it should and at least gives numbers right under each to highlight the numerical difference. If it had no numbers I'm with you, but also don't see another or better way of presenting it that gives as much information as possible in one small photo. 

    But the numbers don't mean anything at the surface.

    97.5 vs 95.4 

    Two points of a proprietary scoring metric is hard to understand on its own, but its made more complicated when you look at the data and see the ballspeed, launch and spin all relatively even -- which also results in statistically insignificant differences in carry distance among the top drivers. 

    And what's is the difference between forgiveness and accuracy in the scoring table?  TSR3 has better shot area than the Stealth 2 Plus, but TSR3 has a lower accuracy score yet a higher forgiveness score. 

    It's just very hard to look at the numbers and make any sense of the final rankings; especially with most of the drivers just so close in ball speed and carry distances




  6. 9 minutes ago, cnosil said:

    They seem to be ranked by strokes gained.   Strokes gained takes both distance and accuracy into consideration.   

    Why don’t you think the strokes gained make sense?  You’d have to see the actual location of each ball to calculate strokes gained. 

    Strokes gained (correctly) weights distance over accuracy.  So @PMookie is correct: Distance matters more than accuracy.   

    a 5% increase in distance will impact the SG number more than a 5% increase in accuracy.

  7. We have to remember that this type of test is more relevant for people who are buying off the rack without a fitting.  Not people that are going to get fit, or those who have an understanding of their own swing dynamics.

    The information gets a little more relevant for us "gear heads" once they post the data broken out by swing speeds, but even then there are other swing dynamics at play (dynamic loft, angle of attack, etc) that play a HUGE role in why the numbers are what they are.

  8. 4 minutes ago, scubahoops said:

    So this is the debate I having going on right now with myself as I am looking to purchase new wedges.  I live in Arizona so much of what I play is hard turf and sand that is not very soft so I am leaning towards a low bounce 60 degree and even a low bounce 54 degree. The problem I worry about is playing out of the rough with low bounce clubs as well as times when the conditions are a little softer.  Should I do a standard bounce for the 54 and I can safely play that out of the rough but it isn't too much bounce for the hard grass I play on and then a low bounce 60 for having a little more workability around the greens? 

    I would recommend using the Vokey wedge selection tool and see what it spits out for you.  You select divot type, shot types and conditions you hit with each club and then it recommends lofts and grinds.  

    I use the Vokey D grind on my 58 and even with 12 degrees of bounce if find the sole grind makes it super versatile

  9. 19 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

    If you believe Arian Foster then it’s already predetermined who wins.

    But for me I really don’t care who wins and doubt I’ll watch it. Pro sports have little entertainment value for me these days. 

    I am assuming that first part is tongue in cheek since the Arian Foster interview was clearly done with a sarcastic tone. 

  10. 1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

    Would love to see the Eagles make it a close game. It should be one of the better super bowls or at the very least hopefully it is a fun high scoring game to watch!

    75% of the gambling money is on the Eagles as less than a two point favorite

    The Eagles, much to my dismay, have been the best team in football all year.  It's going to take an all world effort from the Chiefs just to keep this close


  11. 3 minutes ago, KOG said:

    10 grams heavier shaft weight will increase the swing weight by one. 

    To maintain the same swing weight, put on a grip thats 5 grams heavier, or buy a weight thats 2 grams lighter. 

    Honestly, just try it as is first.

    Good information here 

    It's likely that between the shaft weight and shaft profile, you'll never notice a 1 SW point of difference

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