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  1. Here's a comparison photo of the 699 Pros, the Adams XTD Tours, and the PING G700s. Clearly, the PINGs are the biggest all around: longer from heel to toe, thicker sole and top line. The Adams are the smallest. And the 699 Pros fit nicely the middle. In all three photos, the Adams is in the middle of the other two irons.
  2. My previous irons were the Adam XTD Tours: These are a fairly compact cavity-back iron (much smaller than the Adams XTD irons). I should do some comparison pictures: I'd guess that they are very similar in size to the 699 Pros. Pulling up my Game Golf data from the time I was testing the G700s, I'm seeing that in the first 2-3 weeks with the G700s, my approach handicap also went up, though not as dramatically (I'm finding that Arccos and Game Golf numbers aren't very interchangeable though). But if I extend the time frame to two months with the new clubs, my approach handicap drops two full strokes.
  3. I know this is a bit of a cop out answer, but that's the question I'm definitely in the process of trying to answer. At this point in the review, the answer is not conclusive. Here's the core data so far: this is my chart for shots from 120-190 yards from July through the August arrival of my Sub 70s: Here is the same information for the 54 holes I've played so far with my 699 Pros: So far, this doesn't suggest improvement. On average, I'm hitting a little more than 1 fewer green per round with the 699s. The four rounds I've played with the 699s, Arccos has given me an average of a 19.4 handicap on my approach play. My last 10 rounds with the G700s, that average was 14.0. So while I'm absolutely enjoying playing with these clubs, the absolute numbers are not on the side of them helping my game as yet. My two caveats: This is still a pretty small sample size with the new clubs: I'm 54 holes in. A couple more rounds could change these numbers fairly dramatically. I've done virtually no practice with my new irons. As I've mentioned a lot on this forum, we have no range within an hour of us. And because the course is under snow six months a year, when I would have time to practice in the garage in the summer, it's hard not to go to the course instead and grab a quick nine. Short answer: I'm not at all ready to reach a verdict yet on whether these irons are beyond me. But I'll be keeping everyone posted. I definitely want them to work; I'd rather have these in the bag than the G700s. But in the spirit of MGS, I'm going to have to let the data decide that.
  4. My family and I have attended the Saturday round of the 2015 PGA Championship at Whistling Straits and a practice round of the 2017 US Open at Erin Hills. Don't have a lot of expectation of completing any more legs of the Fan Slam unless Kirke were to quality for Augusta through DCP some year, and that's obviously no sure thing.
  5. Either of you other guys (@Tom the Golf Nut or @Smellis745) going to be looking at changing other clubs in your bag to better fit the gapping with the 699 Pros? I've already made a small tweak: I own Cleveland CBX wedges in both 48° and 50°; with the slightly shorter PW distance, I put the 50° in the bag instead of the 48°. I''m likely also to make an adjustment in the hybrid. I love my Tour Edge CBX 20°, but I'm thinking that the gap between it and the 699 5-iron is going to be a bit bigger than I want. I have an Adams XTD hybrid at 20° in the collection, and that one is adjustable. I might tinker with that to fit it nicely between the 5-iron and my Cobra 5 wood.
  6. I'm an unrepentant putter buyer. Over the years, I've been able to fit myself into a style of putter that works well for me, but I can't ever see myself settling on a single putter for the rest of my life. I just find putters too interesting. This year has been a very, very solid putting season for me. (I've gone on a dive into my putting stats starting with this post.) Last winter, I bought an Odyssey Stroke Lab R-Ball Slant Neck. I'm definitely a mallet guy, and with a pull being my most problematic miss, a bit of toe hang helps slow the rotation of the face. I also love the R-Ball alignment setup: not only does it help me set up on the proper line, but I use it during the stroke as well. Often, my image during my stroke is to imagine the rear ball passing through the "gate" of the alignment lines. That encourages the "held off" feel I want when I'm putting (I don't release the head). So why would I buy another putter? [insert maniacal laughter, because let's admit it, we're all a bit nuts here] I have one objection to this putter: the sound is awful. High-pitching tingy noises annoy me in golf clubs. I know this is a nice putter, but that sound feels cheap to me. I can deal with it, but I certainly don't prefer it. So the question: can I get the benefits of the R-Ball without the obnoxious noise? My go to putter last year was an Odyssey EXO Indianapolis Slant. We had some good times together, especially after I built a DIY Stroke Lab shaft for it with a Gravity Grip. It's a nice putter. Might see the course again sometime. The only thing it lacks is the alignment features of the R-Ball. But what about this? This is the EXO Seven Mini Slant. I've had a Seven before and loved it; it's a head shape I already know I get along with. The Seven Mini, though, has that bar across the back. Anyone else seeing that the void space in the putter head creates an effect very similar to the R-Ball? I thought so too. So now it was time to find a deal. The logical starting place was Callaway Pre-owned. Having learned a lesson before, I not only checked CPO's own website, but also their listings on eBay and Amazon. Turns out that right now, the Amazon listing was the cheapest, at $133. That's OK, but we can probably beat that, right? So I scoured eBay for other sellers (nada). I bounced around to the various discount retailers (RBG, Dallas, Global, Hurricane). Nothing so far. Then I hit 2nd Swing. BOOM! Their highest condition rating (9.5; mint) was going for $115. Adding tax, free shipping, we're up in the low $120s. One more step: search for coupon codes. I found a $20 off $100 code that worked. Final price: $100.69 shipped. [I'm so glad this forum exists. Where else can you tell a story like this and find anyone who cares?]
  7. And to clarify, I "loved" your post not because I'm delighting in your struggles, but because I'm genuinely sympathizing. That's the first time I've played "old guy golf," playing the ball low on the ground over and over. I'm not planning to do that again anytime soon.
  8. One footnote on the above stats: I played about a half-dozen rounds on Game Golf this year in early July, because my Arccos putter sensor died and I was awaiting a replacement. During that time, I put up the following numbers: 1P%: 41% (whoa!) 2P%: 49% (much lower than most of the above) 3P%: 10% (higher than what I'm seeing now) 1.68 putts per hole (lower than any of the above totals) Game Golf rated me as losing 2.5 strokes per round to a scratch golfer, with a worse strokes gained than a 10 handicap. Add this, I think, to the data that makes me skeptical of Game Golf on Strokes Gained.
  9. Likely something Suburban-class. Or a Holiday Inn shuttle van.
  10. We've got a minivan now. But my youngest son, who's 5, is already closing in on 70lbs. Putting him and two other kids shoulder to shoulder in the minivan isn't going to work forever.
  11. HC: 9.1 (Arccos) Slope/rating: 67/113 (Erik's will be the same)
  12. I don't want to underestimate the degree to which shifting tracking software messes with the strokes gained numbers. For instance: Game Golf always told me that my approach game was the second-best part of my game (next to my putting); Arccos tells me it is a weakness relative to my handicap, that my approach play is holding me back. I took Arccos's 1P/2P/3P splits and found that my total putts per hole is 1.75. That puts my current year very close to my 2017 numbers. (I will say that I've always been pretty diligent with both Game Golf and Arccos at manually plotting my putts on the green, since neither is accurate enough to do that automatically.) Doing a bit of googling, it looks like there's something to the idea that GG is overly harsh judging putting, while Arccos is somewhat more generous. A couple takeaways from this discussion: You will be limited by what your tools can see. Comparing numbers across stat-tracking platforms is probably a bad idea. Using a single system to see if you're improving/regressing probably still makes sense. In absolute terms this year, my putting has improved (fewer 3-putts, fewer overall putts). Realistically, it's probably on the level of a single-digit player. No matter how good my putting is, I'll still always be looking at buying another putter, because putters are endlessly fascinating to me.
  13. On an episode of No Laying Up, Padraig Harrington said, "Golf was never meant to be a fair game. It's meant to test your mental fortitude." I found this a solid, helpful perspective. When things go wrong: that's the point of the game, to see how you respond.
  14. Allow me to introduce the newest Riley: Christiana Hope! Born this morning around 4:45. Mother and baby are well. She is our fifth child, so we're starting to shop for larger vehicles now. No word yet on whether she prefers forged or cast irons, mallet or blade putters, or whether she roots for Bryson or Brooks. I'll keep y'all posted when she starts indicating her positions.
  15. OK, @tchat07, here's the year-by-year summary from Game Golf. Because I play virtually all my golf at one course, the numbers should be directly comparable each year. 2016 Strokes lost to scratch: 1.64 Putts per hole: 1.82 1P%: 28% | 2P%: 60% | 3P%: 11% 2017 Strokes lost to scratch: 2.03 Putts per hole: 1.76 1P%: 31% | 2P%: 59% | 3P%: 9% 2018 Strokes lost to scratch: 3.07 Putts per hole: 1.81 1P%: 29% | 2P%: 60% | 3P%: 11% 2019 Strokes lost to scratch: 2.45 Putts per hole: 1.78 1P%: 30% | 2P%: 61% | 3P%: 9% 2020 (from Arccos rather than Game Golf) Strokes gained vs scratch: .5 Putts per hole: 1.7 (doesn't go to the hundredths place) 1P%: 32% | 2P%: 61% | 3P%: 7% So this year clearly is the outlier. By far, the biggest change is the reduction in three putts: essentially, the three putts were transferred into the one-putt category, which is a big swing. Some of Game Golf's numbers are hard to make sense of: my highest year for putts per hole is my best strokes gained year (2016).
  16. When I'm back on a computer (rather than my phone), I'll pull up the numbers year-by-year from Game Golf. I'm interested to see this comparison as well.
  17. Yeah, but if a team's scorer messes up the scoring, the team doesn't get an automatic L.
  18. I know that not every shot is on video, not every shot (at most tournaments) is recorded with ShotLink, right?
  19. With Cameron Tringale being DQ'd from the PGA Championship today for signing an incorrect scorecard, I want to ask: why in the world is this still a rule on the PGA Tour? In my opinion, this a rule that has long since ceased being useful at the top level of the game, when there's zero question about what a guy actually shot. When is the last time that, on the PGA Tour, a guy signed an incorrect card on purpose to try to gain an advantage? You can't possibly get away with it. So if it's not possible to cheat this way, why DQ a guy for it? Obviously, in *most* golf events played at every level other than the PGA Tour, this rule absolutely makes sense. There aren't rules officials all over the course. It would be possible for a guy to cheat by signing a fraudulent score, and so it is absolutely essential that the competitors turn in an honest card. That does make golf different than other sports. But on the PGA Tour level? I just don't get it. Can someone make an argument that this should be part of the game on the highest pro tour?
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  21. We'll likely do that if we get the green light from HQ.
  22. Ask one of us mods and we'll handle it.
  23. OK, time for a status update. And we'll start with the topline, which is confusion. I've either reached my goal, or I'm about where I've been for a season. According to Arccos, after last night's league match, this is where I stand: Honestly, I'm stoked about this. I've played 36 (mostly 9-hole) rounds on Arccos this season. The first handicap it assigned me was 23 (winter rust!), and I've consistently worked it down to the current 9.1. The confusion (as I've mentioned above) is that this is not a USGA official number, and I'm finding that most online tools have inaccurate information about our course. On the recommendation of many of you here, I also went ahead and loaded up my scores into The Grint. I haven't yet paid for a subscription ($20) to get an official handicap, but it's currently showing me in the 12–14 range. I'm assuming the differences at attributable to course rating and slope. Earlier this year, I submitted a series of corrections to Arccos, including the yardage and rating/slope from my course's website (http://gogebiccountryclub.com/course/). On its website, my course is: 6,030 yards long from the back tee Rated 67/113 The Grint lists my course at: 5,782 yards long Rated 68.2/115 Now, I have zero idea how or when the course rating for our course was established. I know that our course is short, but I've played with some good golfers. I don't see that a scratch player would ordinarily shoot 67 here. But maybe I'm wrong. So all told, my handicap is somewhere between 9 and 14. One solution: I need to try to play a few more rounds at courses other than my home course. Perhaps I'll aim to take advantage of fall rates when those start going into effect. As for my game itself: it has been clear that putting has been the strongest aspect of my game this season. I will attribute a lot of this success to spending quality time with my PuttOut. I have found a pretty direct correlation between time spent using my PuttOut and my best seasons of putting. Wedge play has, for the most part, been improved since last season as well. The clock system has made my much more effective from 25–90 yards, though I'm due to re-calibrate my yardages. I've found that as the season has gone on, I'm having to make adjustments to the chart I have taped to my rangefinder. I think it's a combination of drier conditions on the course and improved striking by me, but my yardage chart is shorter than reality right now. Approach play has a new wrinkle, since I'm now part of the Sub 70 699 Pro iron test. So far, I've played an 18-hole round irons-only (as part of the Cobra Challenge) and my 9-hole league match last night. The early returns are positive. They are an indisputable step up in feel. I've got more data-collecting to do, but I've got some optimism that on course, I'll strike them better than I did the giant G700s. Last night was a very positive sign: I didn't miss a single green short. I doubt I've ever done that in any round of my life before. I still need to tighten my dispersion just a bit. Greens are hard to hit at our course (they are very small and almost all sitting on domes that reject any imprecision). Off the tee continues to be the bane of my game. The stats here are a bit skewed; we have a lot of doglegs and tight driving holes at our course that eliminate driver for me. For instance, our second hole is only 267 yards (par 4), but it's a full 90° dogleg. I'm not hitting more than a 9-iron off the tee to reach the middle of the dogleg. But I don't think Arccos knows that, and so it always thinks I'm hitting lame 130 yard drives on an easy hole. Be that as it may, my new driver combination is improving: the Epic Flash Sub Zero with the Aldila Rogue White 80X. When it's on, I've hit some of my best drives ever: last night in league, I had several good ones for me, including one that went 280. But that remains a work in progress. So here I am: I'm either at my goal or not. Either way, I see routes for additional improvement, and the grind continues.
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