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  1. I've got a plan.

    If all goes well, I'll have a new Tour Striker PlaneMate in my hands (and on my waist) next week. I'm excited; the reviews of it have been pretty universally glowing, and it's built to help in exactly the thing I struggle with: the feeling of shallowing through transition.

    So I'm going to roll in a PlaneMate review into my journey to single figures. (There is already a PlaneMate discussion thread here worth checking out as well.) I'm planning to follow all the outlined protocols and track my progress over this season.

    Obviously, the on-course results are what matter most, but I'm also interested in measuring the technical changes that will (hopefully) result. So with the help of a bunch of gadgets, I'm hoping to reconstruct the numbers I might get from a TrackMan.

    I have a SkyTrak, but the swing and club are invisible to it. A SkyTrak only measures ball data. It will give you swing speed, but it's a calculation based on the ball information. But I also have other gadgets at hand: a Zepp and a SwingByte sensor. These complement each other well. The Zepp attaches to the glove, and gives a good picture of hand path. The SwingByte attaches to the shaft, and tells you a lot about club plane, lie angles, and shaft lean at impact. Both of these also estimate clubhead speed.

    In addition, I have the swing speed radar used for SuperSpeed training.

    So I've got a spreadsheet built. My intent is to take 10 7-iron swings and compile the data from the four of these sources, using an average of the four that tosses outliers for swing speed.

    After I get the baseline, I'll remeasure after a month of PlaneMate drills. Here's my hope:

    • Obviously, I'd like to see that downswing plane shallow out.
    • I'd like to see a higher ball speed and higher spin, indicative of a cleaner strike.
    • I'd like to see a tighter dispersion of the 10 shots.

    Those, along with on course scoring, will be the standards by which I measure whether the PlaneMate is working for me.

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  2. By now, most of you are familiar with the badge system we've got here on the Forum. Most of our badges fit in four categories: forum ranks, golf accomplishments, careers, and countries.

    Recently, a member suggested a cancer survivor badge, which intrigued us. We decided to broaden it a bit, not limiting it to cancer survivors. We know there are forum members whose stories can't be told without recounting a serious battle for their lives, and this badge is a way to demonstrate that here.


    We thought that with the introduction of this badge, we'd create a thread for members to tell their stories of perseverance and victory. It's primarily a place for those who request the badge to be one of their two badges to tell their stories, but we're certainly not going to stop any member from sharing what they've overcome.

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  3. 15 hours ago, B.Boston said:

    That’s nice all around improvement seeing 4% less three putts and an increase in one putts!

    Are you chipping/pitching better leaving you easier looks? Or is it all in the putting?

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    It's a great question, and the data I have doesn't seem to let me get at it directly. My GIRs are up very slightly this year over last (22% vs 19%), so if anything, that should slightly increase my putts. But my chipping and pitching has definitely gotten better, so I imagine it's some factor, but without the accuracy of ShotLink, I don't know yet that I'm able to quantify its impact on my putting.

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  4. Perhaps a good time for me to weigh in on my own question. Using April/May rounds last year versus my rounds this year, I'm currently seeing:

    • 2019: 1.91 avg | 2020: 1.8 avg
    • 2019
      • 1 Putt: 23%
      • 2 Putt: 63%
      • 3 Putt: 14%
    • 2020
      • 1 Putt 28.7%
      • 2 Putt 61.1%
      • 3 Putt: 10.2%
      • Putts per GIR: 2.0

    So on the whole, this is looking quite promising. I'm not seeing in GG where to pull up putts per GIR, but moving percentage points from both 2- and 3-putts into 1-putts is very encouraging. Let's hope it continues and even improves as speed control on real greens (and longer putts) continues to get dialed in.

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  5. So far this season, the putter in my bag has been an Odyssey Stroke Lab R-Ball. I love the alignment on it. Even the grip is nice: I can't remember the last time I bought a putter and actually kept the stock grip.

    My only complaint: if I wanted a putter that went "ping," I would have bought a PING.

    As an experiment, today I tried stuffing the cavities with pool noodles.


    That works, but it's obviously a pretty janky solution. What recommendations do you all have for a material for stuffing the cavities to dampen the sound, without massively altering the head weight and with a high likelihood of being a decent looking finished product?

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  7. 30 minutes ago, yungkory said:

    😞 maybe because covid?

    Certainly a very reasonable possibility. Every interaction I've had with Arccos customer service so far has been impressive, so I'm definitely willing to extend all benefit of the doubt.

    The counterargument: surely, course editing can be done remotely?

    But the counterargument to that: it's very, very likely that I'm the only person using Arccos at my course. If they prioritize updates by demand (which is certainly reasonable), I could be waiting a while.

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  8. 3 minutes ago, yungkory said:

    My Arccos handicap is always higher than my actual USGA one for some reason. Also, send them an e-mail and ask them to update the course yardage. One of the local munis I was playing had incorrect tee placements, and one of the holes was completely wrong and labeled as a par 4 when it was a par 3. They replied to me in about 2 days and updated the course to my surprise. I sent them pictures of the scorecard to make it more "legit" don't know if that helped them.

    Yeah, I sent them a message on May 6. I listed all the yardages for each tee and created a graphic off a Google Maps satellite picture of the course with the tee boxes all marked.

    So far, nothing more than the automated response. 😕

  9. Progress check in!

    So far this year, I've played 81 holes of golf: one 18-hole round and seven 9-hole rounds. I'm 78-over for the season—a bit better than bogey golf. And Arccos is assigning me a handicap of 19.3.

    This is interesting to me. I do not carry an official USGA handicap, so for me, my handicap is defined by whatever app I'm using. By the end of last season, Game Golf had me down to a 12.8. So why has my handicap gone up 6.5 strokes at this point in the season?

    The first reason is that it's early in the season. My putting in the first couple of rounds was atrocious, at least in terms of results. The greens were still fuzzy and debris-strewn. My stroke felt really good, but I had more 3-putts than normal. The rest of my game also requires, if not knocking off of rust, the adjustment from mats and a ceiling to turf and being outside.

    The second reason, though, is that Arccos (like GG, which I detailed earlier in this saga) has inaccurate data for my home course. We have four sets of tees; Arccos has two, and lists them both at the same yardage (only 5,100 yards). Our course is short: the back tees are only 6,100—but that's still more than 5,100. Arccos doesn't tell me what it's using for rating and slope, but I have to guess that it's punishing me pretty severely. The course website lists the rating at 67 and the slope at 113. Punching those numbers into the various handicap calculators online tends to give me a handicap a bit closer to the 13 I finished last season with. I've submitted the corrected tees to Arccos; I'm still waiting for them to incorporate the changes.

    That said, right now my game is looking a bit different than it did this time last year. Here are my GG numbers from last April/May:


    According to GG, I was

    • driving the ball slightly worse than a 20-handicap,
    • hitting my approaches like a 15 handicap,
    • hitting short game shots 2 full strokes worse than a 25 handicap,
    • and putting at the level of a 10 handicap.

    Arccos is seeing something very different this season.

    • I'm driving the ball like a 24 handicap,
    • hitting approaches like 25 handicap,
    • chipping like a 14 handicap,
    • and putting like an 8 handicap.

    It would be just like a golfer to think, "Wow, my short game is getting better, but Arccos is messed up in figuring out my driving and approach play!" But...

    On my wedge play, the clock system is paying dividends (though it did cost me a stroke before it dawned on my that, like an idiot, I made a wedge cheat sheet with the x and y axes reversed; sailing a shot over the green made me realize my mistake). Last year with GG, shots from 75-100 yards show 45% accuracy (36% short and 9% each left and right misses). This year in the same range, I've hit 3/4 from there, with one bladed wedge that went long. Small sample size to be sure, but it's been encouraging so far.

    Off the tee, some of the gains I've made last year seem to be sticking. The graphic here has April/May last year on top; this year on bottom:


    And this is before a driver fitting that opened my eyes to how a properly fitted driver can help compensate for a very poor swing.

    So the bottom lines:

    • Until Arccos changes the tees, I've got an uphill climb to get my handicap down.
    • My last round was a 3-over 39, so the potential for a good season is definitely in place.
    • My short game has been a strength so far.
    • I think my driving is going to improve significantly this season.
    • I have a Plane Mate coming over on a slow boat from China right now. This should be a big help in my approach play.
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  10. 6 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

    Disclaimer: I have no proof of this, but it is my understanding of how it works. 

    One of the few faults of Arccos is that it truly separates each shot from the previous, well that's good you say?. It sounds good in theory but what happens in reality is a little different.

    If you hit a drive behind a tree with no shot to the green the true SG should apply the recovery stroke to the tee shot, Arccos does not. It will apply straight SG to your approach shot. So your approach on 13 is probably penalized more than should be. 

    The best way to look over a round is by looking and the color codes on the dashboard. It is a real simple yet effective presentation. 


    No, that I definitely get. On hole 13, I hit a weak fade off the tee that ended up rolling through a bunker that lines the edge of the fairway, so that the ball was perched on a hill under some branches. I get that Arccos is going to penalize the ensuing approach shot, when the drive was really the issue.

    My concern is that I've spent a good amount of time on SkyTrak and following Lou Stagner's stats on Twitter. Between these, I feel I've got a pretty decent grasp of proper expectations for how close a shot should be to the hole from various distances, and based on those, it seems that Arccos is really harsh on approach handicaps.

    Has anyone had the opposite experience: an approach number that is better than you would expect?

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  11. Just now, B.Boston said:

    I voted 15-18 because your numbers were similar to my last 9 hole round but I had a little less average distance to the pin.l and they had me at 20.3.

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    Cheater! 🙂 (Though I'm not saying whether you got the answer right or not.)

    In hindsight, the question is a little ambiguous. I guess I did ask what Arccos assigned. My bigger question (and I'll ask about your round): do you believe that that's a 20+ handicap approach performance? A 2016 article from MGS includes this graph:


    Hitting a third of greens in regulation already puts a golfer in single-digit territory. A 20-handicap rating there seems oddly high, and I'm trying to figure out how Arccos is calculating that.

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  12. I've been a longtime Game Golf user, switching to Arccos for the first time this season. I've got fewer than 10 rounds (almost all 9-hole) on Arccos so far. Really liking a lot about the system.

    My biggest question so far is the difference between GG and Arccos in calculating approach handicap. In GG, my approach number was normally one of my stronger categories, typically playing between the levels of a 5-10 handicap. But so far on Arccos, my approach handicap is sitting at 24.5.

    To be sure: it's early in the season. But that still seems somewhat high to me, and I'm trying to figure out why.

    So I want to propose a test: here are the approach shots I hit during my last 9-hole round. I want you guys to guess what handicap Arccos assigned to my performance. First, the overall numbers:


    Here are the individual shots:

    • Hole 10: From about 155, in the rough: missed just right of the green, pin high, about 30' from the hole
    • Hole 11: From about 130, in the fairway: hit the green, about 8' from the hole
    • Hole 12: From about 110, in the rough: chunked, finished short left of the green, in the rough, about 36' from the hole
    • Hole 13: From about 140, out of position in the rough: punched a shot to the rough, about 60' from the hole
    • Hole 14: From about 160, in the fairway: ball trailed just right into a greenside bunker, about 35' from the hole
    • Hole 15: From about 130, on the tee: ball was pin high, on the left fringe, about 35' from the hole
    • Hole 16: From about 110, in the fairway: hit the green, about 25' past the hole
    • Hole 17: From about 50, in the fairway: hit the green, about 15' from the hole
    • Hole 18: From about 120, in the fairway: hit the green, about 20' from the hole

    I shot a 3-over 39 for the nine holes.

    OK, stat nerds: what handicap rating would you assign to that performance?

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  13. Just now, TR1PTIK said:

    Just happened to stop the playback loop on your swing right here:


    Gotta say, from down-the-line that looks like a mighty fine position at the top. Get you some lessons to help on the other half of that swing and you'll see a big boost in distance and dispersion.

    Couldn't agree more, if lessons were available within an hour's drive. But I'm hoping the Plane Mate helps me learn what the shallowing part of the downswing feels like. I know what I need to do; it's getting my body to agree that gives me the trouble 🙂

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  14. 27 minutes ago, Bucky CC said:

    Did you ever try plugging your numbers into the TrueGolfFit site? It would be interesting to see if that had a similar recommendation or if it would be off based on your swing speed.

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    Great question! I did when it first came out, and I think it recommended me a Taylormade M4. But I'm pretty sure I fed it bad info: I didn't realize how aggressively I hit down and how abrupt my transition really was. I should do it again, now that I have a better grasp of my own swing.

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  15. 3 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

    @GolfSpy MPR, I saw the ball speed numbers but didn't see swing speed - maybe I missed it? Also curious why you decided to stay with Callaway?

    Swing speed sits right in the 96-97 zone. Need to get back to doing SuperSpeed training again and get that back up over 100.

    As for staying with Callaway: it's not something I'm locked into. But there's a level of familiarity and some opportunity there.

    Here's what my current stats look like from the rounds I've played this year:


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