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June, 2011 I sent this email to Ecco Golf. Realize, at the time, "spikeless" shoes were soft spikes as there were still metal spikes out there. True story. There were not any truly spikeless golf options short of wearing turf cleats or something like that (I don't remember exactly when True Links Wear came to market, but it was after). Within a few years, Adidas started offering options and then shortly after, everyone else, but I feel Ecco missed the boat here. They could have cornered a huge market: To Whom it May Concern, I purchased the Ecco Street Premiere golf shoes late last summer (9/2010) - they were very hard to find at the time and I had to purchase from an online retailer without the opportuntiy to try them on. I wear a US size 9 and wide - depending on the brand it can be up to 4E. With the wide foot, I chose size 43, which actually worked out OK with respect to width, but they are definitely too long. Recently, as these are more available, I had the chance to try a 42 (and would have purchased in a heartbeat if they fit better), but alas, they were too tight, so fortunately the 43 was the right choice with respect to what is available. That being said, they are still too long for me to be the perfect fit: my question to you is this: you have a truly revolutionary product on your hands. The shoes are so comfortable and wearable that I wear them everywhere. When I am going to play golf directly after work (which is a couple of times a week), I actually wear to the office, all day long, and then hit the course and walk 18 holes. When I'm asked (which is quite frequently), how I like the "Freddie Couples" shoes, I respond with the question of "do your feet hurt after walking 18 holes?". I've yet to hear anyone say "no", it's always "yes." And my reply is "mine haven't since I started wearing these shoes". They are truly exceptional in that regard. I have knee injury that has haunted me since childhood - playing golf is the only sport I have, and I've always disliked traditional golf shoes because they hurt my feet and knee when I walk the course. The Ecco Street Premiere is a game changer - absolutely the best of a running shoe and a golf shoe all rolled into one. If you had half sizes and a wide offering, I can promise you I would buy, wear, and wear out at least one pair of shoes every year, and happily buy another. In fact, with your current complement of colors, I would probably buy a few pairs and mix them up. Can you please expand your size selection - I have a feeling you would grow your market for these by at least 25%. and I personally would be one happier golfer! All of this being said, I still must say thank you - though not the perfect fit for me, these are still the best golf shoes ever - I have not touched another since purchasing these.

I picked one of these up today after much deliberating I purchased this today and spent about 30 minutes at the range...a couple big reasons for me (and apologies for the brevity, but I'm in a rush): 1.) Range use ... not only is this great for capturing the data AND seeing the swing, but for tracking the ball. I've had a 2 way miss with the driver lately and honestly it's the thing I like least about the Stealth 2 - I can't tell where the ball is going based on feel and by the time I look up I'll not be able to find the ball. This worked fantastic in that respect! I didn't have a chance to try the addition of the phone camera but will soon. 2.) Indoor use - I can use this based on the 16 or so total feet needed (ball to camera, ball to net). And again, the camera action is a plus here. 3.) Price.| 4.) Short game practice. Hoping I can use this in my office with a wedge to practice chips and pitches. Limited info out there on how good this is, so I'll report back when I know more (i.e. tried it out). After 40 shots I can say the accuracy and consistency was really impressive. It even picked up a shank! The shot vision is unbelievable. Really stoked about this. Also, at Dick's the coupons work on this thing...here's on for 20% but supposedly only for NY. I used this today: https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https://cmm.dickssportinggoods.com/crmcdn/getoffer.aspx?offer_entity_code%3DO241CX7N%26token%3DCPjAE6eKkvIoYwSCXfFnSjSfgNSehQpcKH4-SdjGfQWaH8-7IKGnsgpIwwwDoq0R79oGHZMMkc9J0LTVw2%26fbclid%3DIwAR0KyHTtE9XnE5mavDdCLlNZ0siCed-zCCQc0u3KMMVUvB5lFGnWqw82RrM_aem_AVAcjX2c-1LU4ycX6OMIINIBPDko-noBkY96VvsBaGEDv5qU0ZM-FnVGpl-L6dpZShxNHx3m5HLhYh6ZkGmq_tdo&h=AT3k-VT9AL2JJt5qz2GUksjpwvTJHLK3Yqi0T12ihlz_xXQj0z29pyQFtoWL1npVMaDt-beGw3LeLzdMYYG53ALSo92gZ43nK51CsxWYTmeaWbM2Jj2SMTukA8ZkbR9pNBpTDK01eY6gH74&s=1&mibextid=ncKXMA

It showed up Tuesday the 12th and it was like Christmas lol. Very interesting putter, super stable and it sets up so square (if Im not mistaken, that was one of the big features, multiple alignment cues). Anyways, bagged it for the first time on Saturday at Bethpage. Rolled it great! Just gotta dial in the roll out, but pretty much everything was hunting. Drained many long bogey putts at the Black lol.

And happy day, ship date was updated to mid Sept!

It struck me this past week that my exposed golfing skin is rating dark, whilst my european natural fleshtone could blind someone in direct sun. Anyone else have this action??? Lol sorry for the graphical but had to share. My son, who is casper white, was seeing his doc and they were like that's not your skin tone. And I was like uhhhh, yeah, it sure is as I pulled up the leg of my shorts (full disclosure, nothing came of it).

I was hoping for September...if you look at the estimated ship date in the image, its December.

Sadly, I did not. I got in the queue first thing on release day/time, however the checkout kept crashing. It did finally go thorough, but I never got an email so I called around 1:00 PM EST. Was told nope, no record of that, we still have some left though...so I ordered. It took another 2 weeks (after Keegan and Ricky won...) for the sell out event. Finally got an update for an estimated ship date and boooo! This will be after airation and frostation

I've been a member of a private club since 2007 and what you're saying about time savings is the number one reason most of the members I talk to go this route. The value proposition is one of convenience as opposed to maximizing cost per round. Granted, when you start talking about massive initiation fees and monthly dues etc, this breaks down quickly, but right now my weekend play probably works out to $80-$90 a round (walking) - I have young kids so my annual rounds played dropped by almost half of what they were 5 years ago. Seems like a lot, I know, but I also get plenty of range work in that would run at least $60 a week. There are multiple club tournaments throughout the year (so much fun if you're a competitor), and I always have a great game on the weekends. Additionally, if I have to be home by 12, it's never an issue. Tee off at 7:20 and I'm good to go. Sure I could probably afford a nicer car if I forewent the membership, but I'm a golfer. The purpose of my car is to get me to the golf course

Aaight dude ... you're good to go. Bag fits perfectly:

For a little Friday humor, people ask me why I have 2 "G" wedges, and I tell them the set matching G is George Washington, and the Kirkland G is ... George Jefferson And of course the Kirkland L wedge is Weezy. Haven't named the S yet ... Thoughts?

As far as I'm concerned, the Nevr Looz Pro Clip bag is quite simply the best cart bag there is for GOLF CLUBS. It has decent overall storage volume and is an absolute standout convenience and flexibility. If you want the best in club protection, organization, accessibility and capacity, you should upgrade to this now. If you are using a remote cart, you must consider upgrading as well. Generally speaking, If you're in the market for a new cart bag, this should be on your very short list. I know, bold claims but I consider myself a bit of an expert on the subject...please read on. With my first set of Mizuno irons back in 2009, I had to accept the reality that those beautiful, shiny, buttery soft pieces of jewelry would get dinged up over time. I'm sure you've experienced hitting a hard bump in a golf cart and listening to all those clubs crash against one another. It always pained me to think of the new dings those beauties were suffering - not to mention I hate that noise. With a motorized push cart, this experience is greatly pronounced (as they have no suspension and a short wheel base), and as such even modest bumps and dips result in cringe-worthy clanging. I had always longed for a solution to this, and when I started using a motorized pushcart in 2018 and ordered a brand new combo set of Srixons, it became a must find. I had a Sun Mountain C130 with 14 way dividers at the time, and the best I could do was snake a towel in-between the rows to mitigate the clang. I saw the gen 1 Founders Club bag on Amazon and decided to give it a try. I was generally happy with it and though it has shortcomings, it did what I needed. After about 4 seasons it was shot - faded and worn out, broken shoulder strap etc. - so I upgraded to the gen 2 Founders Club bag (side note, Srixons still looked brand new after 4 seasons). The gen 2 is a better over-all bag but the change in the club storage wasn't a hit with me – more riding cart than push cart friendly and the irons in the rear would touch the ground when laying the bag down. Neither of these bags fit my remote cart very well, causing me to make some customizations over the years, but to me it was worth the hassle for the club protection. It wasn't till was about to switch to Jumbo Max grips that my pro pointed out they wouldn't fit in the bag I was reading through a thread asking about what bags people use, and saw this post from @Mikedb26 showing off his 2023 NEVR LOOZ Pro Clip Bag (thanks again, my wife will be reaching out to "thank" you for my purchase ) and was immediately intrigued. I had seen past versions of this bag but was never able to find much in terms of reviews - and the official MyGolfSpy bag test from 2016 didn't do this bag any favors (more to follow on that), but this latest version is a knockout and there is a bunch more info out there. After researching it a bit, reading about the features and all the reviews, and seeing that it will accommodate oversize grips, I decided to give it a go. My only hesitation was that my gen2 bag was only a year old, but the Pro Clip bag looked so good I had to try it. Upon unboxing this thing, I had 2 reactions. Wow, it looks really good. And wow, this thing is sturdy. I'm talking tank like sturdy. The core of the bag is a tubular aluminum frame and there is no twisting or flexing at all. I immediately loaded it with clubs and just love how simply they go in and are lined up. I was also impressed with how much extra space there is in the rear portion - while there are 3 shaft clips, you can easily fit 3-5 extra clubs back there no problem (i.e. for those range sessions where you want to bring all the alternates). The iron clips work great and can be adjusted with a screwdriver if you need different spacing (i.e. you have a chunky driving iron). It is effortless to get the clubs in and out, though admittedly I wasn't using them correctly at first (they go in and out much easier at an angle than straight up and down). Another feature I love is the front shoulder strap, it's such an out of the box design, but it's very functional and you don't have to worry about stuff spilling out of open pockets when you're carrying the bag to the car. Speaking of pockets, there are a bunch of smaller pockets and several big ones. The 2 large cooler pockets can serve double duty as regular storage, and the large side pockets easily handle my rain and cold gear. The smaller pockets are fantastic as I can separate all those different things I bring along, where I used to have them all sharing bigger pockets and would have to dig around to find what I need. The flip ups with the tee and pencil/sharpie holders are super functional as well - I actually use them! The maiden voyage on the remote cart took a little doing to get the bag tied down - no fault of the bag, my cart is a model notorious for it's poorly thought out bag supports. That being said, it turns out there's an indentation on the base of the bag that perfectly fits over the foot plate on the cart. As the bag has a metal frame, there are plenty of options to secure a tie down to that (which I prefer a strap instead of the elastic straps on the cart - much more stable). So a simple cam strap and this thing is locked in! Also, a big shout out to Nevr Looz support, as one of the pre-purchase questions I had was how well does this fit remote carts, and they immediately replied with pictures and highlighted the extra flexibility of the frame for securing the bag. As fate would have it, I hit a root that first day out and the cart tipped over backwards... It was amazing ... not a club moved (save the putter in the tube of course), and the bag was so securely strapped in that it never shifted or moved. Where historically a tip over would be a 3 minute ordeal getting all the clubs back in place and invariably having to undo and redo the bag straps to get it back into position, this was simply tip the cart back up and off I go. And then it started raining ... The rain hood is insane! I didn't do a great job getting in on here (as it was a hasty effort due to a down pour), but it didn't have to be perfect to work perfect. And the full length zippers on the hood make it so easy to get clubs in and out without getting everything wet. A+. It also has it's own pocket in the back of the bag (talk about make the most of unused space), and I've found there's enough extra room in that pocket to squirrel away some extra gloves. From a remote/push cart standpoint, everything is super functional. Clubs are easy to find and remove/replace where ever you are standing (front/back/side), and they don't move or rattle as you make your way over hostile terrain. The additional rigidity of the bag actually makes the ride smoother as well, there's no flex and thus no reverb when hitting multiple bumps in a row (where the FC bags you could see the top swaying and twisting in that scenario, adding to the probability of a tip over). Pockets are all great, easy to get to, and super functional. I really couldn't ask for anything more - well, there is one thing, I'll get to that in a minute. Moving on to the riding cart, the design of the bag really shines here, and I am just so impressed how well thought out it is. The bottom has a channel that can fit over the lip of the bag well in most carts. This will really lock the bag in and keep it from twisting. Much like cupholders, some carts are just so different that it won't fit this way. In the one instance where it didn't fit over the lip for me, it fit perfectly in the well front to back, so the no twisting was in full effect. The cart strap works through the middle of the bag as opposed to all the way around it (I had better results threading the strap between the putter tube and frame on the inside first, as opposed to going around that), and locks in tight. The whole front of the bag is open making everything easy to see and get to (you don't have to lift the clubs all the way up as the dividers are roughly half way up the bag). The dual putter tubes are great here - pick a side for the putter based on if you're driving or the passenger, and though there is a dedicated umbrella loop in the back, the extra tube is super convenient spot to keep the umbrella when it's raining. And finally, riding around, nothing moves. No clanging, no rattle...forged iron bliss. One last highlight for me is the fact the ExoSkin of the bag is replaceable for about half the price of the full bag. Golf bags take a beating from the elements, especially the direct sun, so it's great to be able to replace the shell as opposed to having to toss the whole bag. As far as negatives, the only thing I would point out is due to the unconventional dimensions (it's wide from front to back), it may not fit in your travel cover. I have a hardshell Datrek from years back and it doesn't come close to fitting. I'm not exactly heart broken as I never loved that travel bag, and I would say how the Pro Clip is built I would feel a lot better about using a soft shell bag ( though a tip a friend gave me - take your driver and wood/hybrid heads off if you can and pack those somewhere else). Finally, as I mentioned, I would have one ask, which is a handle or a grab point on the top sides and/or rear of the bag. The use case for me is I put the bag in the bed of my truck length wise bottom first, and it would just be more convenient to be able to grab from the top. The nice thing is with the tubular frame, I'm sure I can come up with my own solution. Looking at the MyGolfSpy Best Cart Bags of 2023, this bag competes in every category. It is one of the heavier options, and it probably doesn't have the overall storage volume of the staff bags (though how much shi..errr stuff do you actually need in there???)... But as I opened with, the Pro Clip has to be the best in club protection, organization, accessibility and capacity, has features other bags just don't have (front shoulder strap, dedicated rain hood pocket in the back, no twist base), tons of pockets and is just so well thought out, that other than the handle I mentioned above or changing the laws of gravity so this thing floats around, I don't see how it could be any better. I've had this in play for almost a month (roughly 12 rounds so far) so I can't speak to how well the ExoSkin will hold up, but the frame and clips are rock solid and very well made - to the point I was shocked they are able to hit the price point they do. I will post updates should things arise over time, but all I can say at this time to anyone looking for better organization or protection (ESPECIALLY TO ANYONE USING IRON COVERS), you need this bag right now! Then be prepared for lot's of "what the hell is that", followed by "where can I get one?"

Here's an option: https://www.amazon.com/Taylormade-Approach-Wedge-Steel-Stiff/dp/B09BTX32VV I would definitely try to find a matching gap wedge for your set (that Amazon one looks new,but check 2nd swing, global golf etc), and would then take a SERIOUS look at the Kirkland v2 wedges (52, 56 and 60). They are spectacular, I've had both generations and gen 2 has a much better sole grind (which was my beef about gen 1). I was replacing my SM7s with these and honestly haven't looked back. Now to answer the question about lofts ... I have the Wilson D9 forged through gap wedge (50), and the Kirkies start at 52. The Wilson has a different shaft and a totally different flight (flatter and spins less). So I find I can cover 115-125 with the Wilson, where the Kirkie 52 with the wedge shaft tops out at 110 for me, so pretty decent gapping. Also be careful about bending wedges strong ... you will lose bounce and some of the leading edge relief, so if you're a steeper swinger that won't be ideal.

Just to air this out a bit (and I'm sure sound a bit like a curmudgeon), but let's get something cleared up straight away: there is an actual rule for player conduct that includes "Showing consideration to others – for example, by playing at a prompt pace, looking out for the safety of others, and not distracting the play of another player." That's rule 1.2. That's why you're not supposed to talk when someone is over the ball, nor be moving about behind them on the putting green, etc. I've always found it quite comical when these guys are playing a broadcast channel, everyone is silent on the tee box, yet there's a commentator or commercial playing with a voice babbling away. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand some people can block that out...but almost invariably in the past someone with god awful etiquette proceeds at some point to say "oh don't worry about talking nothing bothers me". I can live and let live, play your music but I don't want to hear it when I'm over the ball. I actually had instances where people have the speaker on a remote cart and are rolling the cart up the fairway on me when I'm over the ball (and the music is thus getting louder and louder)...like really??? It's 4+ hours of our lives and recreation to be out on the course, and it's serious time and money invested, and for some of us it's all we have, so let's all try to have the best etiquette we can.

Yikes - pretty sure you just cost me about $300 after discount lol. Thanks

Thanks! Both of those carts are on my short list as well. I realize I said quite definitively I would move to the newer model of my existing cart, but I would certainly be open to changing for more stability. The Alphard on a sprawling push cart is insanely stable. And definitely, "follow me" (done correctly of course) would be an amazing feature and would take some of the distraction out of using one of these. And what I mean by done correctly is that you have to be within a few feet of it or something like that. There are these carts with a follow me feature and you can page them by clicking a button on the remote. The problem is if there is something between you and the cart (say, ahem, a pond), in it will go. There were quite a few guys at my club who have that one that wound up just disabling that function (it also would beep quite loudly...super annoying). I only bring that up as a word of caution to anyone looking ... I think historically you had to go with the pricier options for follow me...but it looks like the Alphard could be the answer! I was eyeing the Alphard hard based on their "follow me" add on, so we will see what the future holds Thanks again!

Based on MyGolfSpy Recommendations, I plunked down $1500 (sale price with coupon) on the Bag Boy Navigator Quad Gyro in July of 2018 and have never looked back. I will comment on this specific model and features (it has been replaced by a newer version, but maybe you are looking at used one), and will additionally provide a short survival guide on using these carts and some of the considerations (and annoyances) of golfing with these in general. Let's get this out of the way first though: golfing with an electric push cart is how God intended this game to be played. It is a joy to be able to walk the golf course unhindered by carrying a bag or pushing a cart. Personally, I have always struggled to carry as I have a knee injury from childhood that can't take lugging around the additional weight. Push carts sound great, but did you know they are actually worse for your shoulders than carrying a bag? When you extend your arms forward and basically slouch to push those bad boys up a hill, you are impinging your rotator cuff tendons and potentially aggravating those (well, maybe you have perfect posture doing this, but I don't). So already having shoulder issues makes pushing a bad option for me. Enter the remote controlled cart. In July 2018 I had just joined a private club that actually allows you to use your own push cart. Yes, you read that correctly. Most of the private courses in this area won't let you bring your own push cart (regular or electric)...they provide a number of regular push carts to use (some rent, some are no charge). I was previously at a club like that, so joining this club I was looking forward to walking as much as possible and using an electric cart. It turns out a fair amount of members have their own electric push carts (I would say 75ish), so in the past 5 years I've played with golfers who have used them for years and those who recently got one. Every golfer who just got one says the same 2 things, but mind you, these are people who like to walk and who play regularly: Best money on golf equipment I have ever spent I wish I had done this sooner Every golfer I've asked who has been using one for years says those same two things as well. That's quite an endorsement and I totally agree. Comparing the Bag Boy to many other models (older and newer), would have me call out the following positives: Super quiet ... wonderfully quiet. Did I mention it's quiet? Many other models you can hear from 15 yards away. Their gears make a soft grinding/blender like sound. Not obnoxiously loud, but let me tell you, when somebody is rolling one of those up on you when you are over the ball, it's annoying. And then if you duff the shot, well of course it was the noise lol. You get the point. Amazing battery life ... this started with 45 holes of battery life, and I still have that 5 years later (charging it roughly once a week during the season, so 120ish charges). That's pretty awesome. Negatives of this model compared to others: The bag holding design, ahem, sucks. The cradle for holding the top of the bag lands short of the top of the bag on most cart bags (I currently have a taller bag but it's the same with say a Sun Mountain C130). It lands under the bag collar, on a soft part of the body, and crushes into the bag, making pulling those clubs in the back out difficult (I believe the newer version is better). You can see in the photos I made a custom setup using PVC to support the bag. Probably a little excessive, but hey, I'm picky. The gyro feature that keeps this tracking straight has one major flaw. It applies power to the "low" wheel to level the cart, which works smooth and fine on regular hilly terrain. Where it becomes a problem are on tree roots and deep ruts, where the cart tips unevenly and the low wheel gets hung up and can't overcome the obstacle. The wheel goes faster and faster, where it will start to spin, and it keeps going faster and when it finally catches purchase...wham! Over it goes on its side. All of these carts are prone to tipping over on bumpy terrain and severely sloping areas, but this feature makes this version harder to handle in those circumstances (your only option is to hit the panic stop button and manually help the cart out of the situation). Users of newer versions of this cart report this behavior has changed and the power is now reduced on the high wheel, slowing it down along with the cart as a whole which should be so much better. Thinking of it, I'll reach out to Bag Boy to see if maybe there is a firmware update for my model. Remote Cart Survival Guide: There are a few helpful tips, but there is one, simple, essential thing to know: HIT THE STOP BUTTON!!! Train yourself to do this. The down arrow on the controller makes it go slower, all the way to it's slowest forward setting. It will never make it stop. So when this cart is moving, crawling, ever so slowly at the bumper of your new car (or a pond), and you are pushing the down arrow again and again screaming stop, it's not gonna happen. Practice hitting the stop button, and make it second nature. Practice it more than anything else, like you practice driver at the range. Yeah, we know, you go to the range saying I'm gonna dial in the short game today, but lets keep it real. A helpful tip is don't take your eyes off your cart when it's moving...as much as possible. If you do, or should I say anticipate that you will, hit the stop button. It's easy to forget about your cart and the next thing you know it's in a ditch, or a pond, or running up the base of a tree (there are endless options). Make sure you actually see it stop, too. These things tip over quite easily, so pay attention to what you are running them through. Some of the steeper areas will cause them to spill over, so try and keep them on manageable areas. A good rule of thumb is to use it like a riding cart. Keep it on steady slopes and out of extreme undulations. Lastly, some considerations. Biggest Annoyances: Your bag will have much more exposure to the elements. It will fade out much more quickly. It will also be much wetter in the rain if you don't use a full cover. They are heavy. Hoisting them in and out of the car is not trivial. More than worth it in my opinion, but if you struggle with 40 or so pounds, this isn't a great option. As mentioned before, they are prone to tipping over, and thus require additional care and attention while playing a round of golf. Your day would be quickly ruined if you damaged one of your golf clubs. It can be a distraction when playing at first...not quite as bad as bringing an in-law to play with your buddies and it turns out they are not aware of basic etiquette, but close. They will get beat up over time, so don't obsess over scratches etc. Sandy dirt will definitely get in the small spots, between hinges etc, and the plastic will scratch up. Biggest Advantages: Complete freedom when you play. Truly how golf was meant to be played. You can lug all of the stuff you want around the course. Not just by stuffing your bag full, but you can rig up various things on the cart itself. For example, I had a way to attach a 40 oz Hydroflask during the pandemic as they weren't putting water out on the course. Ball retriever...why not? You can bring it to play pretty much anywhere. We go downstate to play Bethpage at least once a year and the Black course is walking only. So there you have it! I was trying to just hit the critical points here, so I'm sure there is plenty to add as that can be pretty subjective. For those on the fence about moving to a remote cart, hopefully this will give you the nudge to move forward. Truthfully the biggest reservation most people have is the cost, but look at it like this: 5 years in for a $1500 purchase price is $300 a year. That's the same as riding 15 times a year at $20 for a cart rental. If you're already exclusively walking, there are other ways to justify the investment, but the point is the cost annualized is not that bad (and I intend to get another 5 years out of this thing). Were I to buy a new cart, I would definitely look to the newest version of this: MGI Zip Navigator AT (the original Bag Boy Navigator Quad is actually sourced from MGI). I've seen pretty much all of them out there and there isn't a compelling reason I see to switch. When one of these manufacturers realizes that the form factor doesn't have to look like a traditional push cart, and they could focus on stability, I would switch to that model.

I tried Arccos twice, back in 2017 and again in 2019. I was on Android and it was not a good experience (had the latest Galaxy both times, battery drained quickly). Also I was never a fan of how they handled the putting. Got the Shot Scope V3 in 2021 and really liked it. Not too much to gripe about other than having to wear a watch (and the GPS features were just adequate). When they launched the H4 in 2022 I figured I'd try that as you wear the unit on your belt. You have to tap the unit with the sensor on the club you hit (either before or after the swing) at the spot you hit from. Well, that didn't work for me at all. Moved on the X5 this year and after they worked out some of the issues with a firmware update, I would say I'm mostly happy. Definitely a bunch more GPS features (i.e. layup distances are great) than the V3, and the online features are getting better and better. Only gripes with this version they still have to sort out changing holes ... it's way too difficult and you need to do this several times - especially if you are teeing off on the back 9 and then playing the front, you have to set the hole on 10 and 1 and it's a it's way harder than it needs to be (unlock, 3 clicks to get into game menu, scroll through maybe 5 things to get to change hole, scroll through the holes and pick the one...but it's easy to pick the wrong one so repeat sigh). What makes it more annoying is that it auto-advances when you don't want it to...so if you are pin high and wayward it can be super annoying when you're just looking for a quick center of the green number and it now has you playing the next hole. That last comment brings up I guess the biggest diff between the 2 usage wise, Shot Scope is all watch when you are playing where the Arccos is all app (and the app is just easier to navigate). Granted, I have to wear single vision contacts for distance when playing, so makes using the watch a bit of pain for me compared to someone that doesn't need vision correction. Another thing to note is that the Shot Scope tags are RFID where the Arcoss tags have a battery and need to be replaced when the battery dies (the frequency of which depends, but as I recall if you leave a club standing up, the sensor is on and will drain the batt..maybe that's different now but was a big pain with gen 1). For me, the biggest advantages of using the shot tracking is being able to track over time and adjust accordingly. You will have a ton of information to do whatever you want with. For example, I always played 3 wood off the tee on a downhill par 4 at my course, thinking it was smarter than the driver (so having 120 in instead of 100, big deal right?). Well it turns out driver has been a much better play for me there, and I can show it with statistics - both scoring and GIR on this hole - even though fairway hit% may be slightly lower. So for me, it's definitely Shot Scope, and if they workout some of the gremlins with the X5 it's going to be perfect.