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  1. I have found others progress interesting compared to mine. Whether it was a big jump to start or a quicker plateau and so on. I found mine more gradual, in part it's because I am also learning techniques on simply swinging faster which may be in part why I see small gains here and there. 

    I didn't notice a big sustainable jump to start off, but instead saw it close to week 4 I believe. 

    I have also worked hard on getting small but personal bests with green in particular. My hope is that at some point I see 140. I've done 137 so it's not that far away!

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  2. 36 minutes ago, Thug23 said:

    Guys I truly appreciate all your input I’m certainly learning quite a bit from you all.

    my clubs are set at 5° which I’m going to reduce down to 4° like I mentioned but coming from an upright angle to flat does that also work in degrees ...??? 
    I don’t want to adjust my clubs to such an extreme that I’ll be all over the place...I’m just trying to make little changes at a time

     Thanks again 

    If you are having them bent 1* degree flatter from 5* upright to 4* upright you will see a slightly more fade bias ball flight. 

    Hopefully this is what you are aiming for. Again as stated above no fitter or club builder would recommend bending more then 2 degrees from your standard which is 5* upright. This gives you a range of 3-7 degrees upright to play with. 

    Ping customer service is top notch and they recommend sending them in to be adjusted, once that is done then will change the color dot for you and mark it in the system for your clubs serial number so they know what has been done with them.

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  3. 13 hours ago, Thug23 said:

    Question for those who have Ping irons please. I have the G400 and when I got fitted a couple of years ago I ended up at maroon color 5° upright. Over the last few years I’ve made adjustments to my stance and swing so it was suggested to me that because I don’t stand up so straight anymore I should change my loft and lie. According to the Ping color code chart for my height and wrist length I should fall one level down from maroon color into the silver color which also means I’ll be dropping from a 5° to a 4°.... My question is I don’t know if I should have my irons adjusted as upright or flat...? When I spoke to the rep who was going to adjust my irons he asked me do you want them upright or flat and I really didn’t know what to say...thanks for any help or suggestions you can give me.


    The ping chart is a great starting point. I think the question you should be asking is what is your ball flight looking like? 

    I am guessing you are RH so having a large upright club will help fight a a slice or ball flight to the right and promote a more left ball flight. 

    When talking lie angle think ball flight and what you are wanting rather then straight lie angle. 5 degree upright is pretty extreme so it is likely that going a bit flatter may suite you more with your swing changes, but that's not to say your current setup isn't still good for you.

    For example, I am 6 foot and use to always fight a bit of a fade or (I am a lefty) flight to the left so I had mine as 2 degrees up, over time with work on my swing that all changed and I now have a tendency to over draw the ball so my new irons are 2 flat and with a bigger grip.

    Hope that helps and again think of where your misses are and that will lead you further down to what lie angle you should be looking for.

  4. This is a quick sample of some lefty and righty swings from this evening's session. It was incredibly hot out today and waiting for it to cool off before I got to them.

    I did this video after I completed the protocol and used the blue stick. 

    Don't exactly remember the numbers, but left handed swings were 115 range and second right handed swing was 113. 

    I have both the swing radar and PRGR set up, although I only base my numbers off the swing radar as that's what I started my protocols with. I got the PRGR after and use it as a back up and see how similar they are. Generally they are within 1 mph sometimes a little more, but it is reassuring to see them so close.

    Hope you all enjoy and I'll try to do more videos in the coming days with other views. 

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  5. Okay with the big move done and a lot more settled I have still managed to complete a week full of protocol with kneeling swings. Part way through week 2 now and will do what I can to make up that 2 sessions that were lost in the move.

    That being said I have a great area for doing them with the only downside being it's way too hot after the mornings so they need to be done early.

    Videos and pictures will be dropping by end of day tomorrow as well. 

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  6. 9 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

    I predict 200 pages if these hit the Official Tester Review forum 🤗.

    that very well may be low. 

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  7. Other side note when I was playing last weekend I had go at a right handed drive. The quote from my playing partners was the following

    B- 8/10 swing and setup, 1/10 result
    A- I didn't even realize you were swinging the wrong way...till I saw where the ball went.

    So apparently the swing looks okay and it did feel good, however the hole making contact with the ball was a little troublesome. Ball went about 30 to 40 yards of the heel up the left and into the woods. So I think with some practice it could be a lot better, but my left handed game needs work too so I'll wait and work on that before I go full into working on RH swings. 

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  8. I have a few, but top 2 would be Arrowtown Golf Club in Arrowtown NZ. It is a quirky fun course that offers a ton of variety, stunning views and some very unique holes. There are no bunkers on the course at all and the whole course is (well at least feels) extremely natural. Holes have odd slopes and weird run off areas and greens that make you think and have fun with different lines to use. There are some elevation changes that make double check your club and of course some blind shots. I played alone and had a early morning tee time, the staff were amazing and offered local rate, they were very friendly and just had a great experience. Check out some of the pictures on instagram, I know someone did a 18 holes in 18 days previewing all the holes which was really cool. They also have plaques and stories behind each hole which is also a nice touch. Not a course for everyone as it is truly unique and without a doubt there are some odd bounces, but for those who love a challenge and golf for all of its diversity and highs and lows will love it. 


    Second is The Rise in Vernon BC
    It is a Fred Couple Design in the hillsides of the Okanagan with views of the lake on both sides of the course. Plenty of blind shots, elevation changes and different hazards. Not a course for those with a obsession with finding balls that may go a stray, tall whispy grass will eat offline tee shots to never be found again. There is also a decent amount of forced carries which is tough for some. There is also a lot of variety in the holes and offer great challenges overall, but with the right tee box it can be enjoyed by all. I have played it twice and with two very different set ups. Hole 2 first time around was a incredibly tough (mean and cruel) par 4, which has been changed to a par 5 to make back to back par 5s to start (good call) 11 has been changed from a tough, but fair and long par 3 to a short par 4, not a decision I liked as much, it was a hybrid in and felt weird, much better as a par 3 and 18 where the new club house is being built was a fantastic par 5 where risk and reward were just a great balance, cut the corner over the hazard and catch the slope the right way and you could be a 7 or 8 iron in with the elevation change, or lay up to the top and play down, harder to reach in 2, but a mid iron would still carry and roll a long ways down. This has been made into a par 3 from mid way... I liked it a lot more the first time around, but thats just the golf. The views are unreal and regardless of how good the round is the view will make your day and make you appreciate being outside period.


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  9. Week 6 Wrap up: 
    Now that the MGS article is out I can now complete my wrap up on my personal 6 week journey. Get ready for lots of charts, pictures and more!

    I want to say without question I am a believer in this system, I have been out for a few rounds the last week and only managed one round with Arccos data. I can't say that I am longer then before because my strike pattern is all over the place, however my gapping between my shortest and longest has improved greatly. 

    Many of you have seen that I went for a driver fitting and did see some big gains in swings speed as I was hoping, but didn't manage to find a club shaft that would be suitable for me that was readily available so I went onto another option!

    Being as I am Canadian I have really enjoyed and taken a lot of stock in TXG and what they offer and provide not only as a free platform, but there other membership options. So I took the Gold Membership and tossed all my data and numbers at them to see what they thought was best. Arccos, Swing Speed sticks and the likes, their recommendation was the G410 with the stock tour stiff shaft. Which will definitely be a item I keep on my short list. Other options included the TM SIM Max with a HZRDOUS Green 65. Basically based off my data the items they would recommend the most are a heavier head with a counter balance shaft to help me control the club face. 

    The one big take away they noted from my data was there was a big two way miss. Now this isn't something I see a lot on the course and the last couple rounds I have consistently had a pretty significant draw. Nothing uncontrollable, but the big left miss is definitely there as well. 

    What does all this have to do with Superspeed though, well as I have stated in a earlier post I found that because the swings do not involve hitting a ball it has helped with my angle of attack. I have always been a bit on the steep side and that has effected my driver distance. After these last number of weeks and sessions and seeing the club data I am consistently about 3 degrees up which for me is a big win. My spin rates have come down overall because of that to. I really like that I am swinging fast and even my slower swings are very quick. With all of this I am not loosing control on my irons or having issues there, but rather feeling I can attack the higher range of my distances per Arccos and for the first time in well I don't know how long I am not having those same consistent issues of coming up short on approaches. Yes I have flown a few greens, but its a change I can get use to. 

    No the data! Once again I am not including step change in these graphs, however if wanted just ask and I'll make them up.


    As you can see the baseline (Pinky color) for my swing speed is seeing considerable gains and although my after (orange) driver swings have seen some ups and downs they are now at a level the last couple weeks which is much more consistent and I really do feel a lot faster.

    Green we have 3. Light Green is the absolute Max after protocols, Mid Green is LH swings, darker green is RH Swings. Similar the previous chart ups and downs, however the base line is definitely increasing and the last week and a bit swing speed has without question picked up and my RH swings are picking up as well!

    Blue has been a weird one for me. There are days where it feels as fast as the greens and others as slow as red. I have noticed a few other testers mention the same thing so not entirely sure what it is, but even with that I am still confident with where I see the trends going think I have reached a point where the speed is a lot more permanent. Light blue LH Darker Blue RH.

    Reds! same LH swings are higher and RH swings are lower. 
    I have to admit the reds are work, they feel heavy and they are tiring, the RH swings with the Red sticks are difficult and sometimes I am honestly gassed and give it my all to get those speeds, but sometimes they just are not there. I have a good routine to make sure that I have enough time to feel fresh, but the protocol is a good amount of work and the heavy sticks well are heavy! Still the base line has jumped up and there is undoubtedly there is a trend upwards. 

    I am hopeful to get another 2 rounds in this weekend/week and give some better Arccos data to show everyone. 

    Thats a wrap for now... and so begins the second set of protocols and kneeling swings...




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  10. The restart has been very kind. 2 down weeks, but have gone 206-89 which 77 of those losses came in two weeks. 

    Was essentially a .500 team before so whatever this that's going on I'm happy. It is really tricky with the major ups and downs, but all part of the ride. 

  11. Pretty sure if one of the MGS crew gets one of the 8 spots they will have the full support of the membership behind them. Also would make for an amazing thread! Good luck to all those who enter and hope one of us gets a chance at this!

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  12. 15 hours ago, Lacassem said:

    PING G710 Irons – Official MGS Forum Review by Mark Lacasse

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    Me, Myself and I:

    Hey everyone! First off thank you to MGS for this great opportunity to review these Irons! I enjoyed my 1st review!

    For all of those interested my name is Mark Lacasse and I had the good fortune of being able to test these PING G710’s! I play in the North East where the golf season is beautiful…but short…I have been playing since I was very young but since 2014 after I got out of the military have been playing avidly (and in every sense of the word AVIDLY). Proud husband and father of 2 children (boy and girl) and at this time my son LOVES golf and hopefully my daughter will as well!

    (The wife and I)


    I am a decent golfer (at least in my own mind) and have been able to tailor my game and use my competitive nature to drop my scoring over the past two years. I have gone from a 20 handicap to as of 2020 a 7.8 and really hope to drop below 6 this year as one of my short-term goals.

    I have a high swing speed and am typically consistent with good contact on the face. My swing is a medium tempo as well as out to in which causes a slight fade, which I have learned to play with. With this my misses are typically BIG fades especially when I get “lazy”.

    I would have to say my strength is my short game. I am comfortable with any iron in my hand and enjoy pin seeking. I do not roll much so am able to really target and go at the flag. On the other end my weakness is off the tee.

    But enough about me let’s get into the nitty gritty of why you’re reading my essay, the PING black beauty’s.

    Package Received:

    Just for some background this review was done during the COVID-19 Pandemic (if you must google that you are not old enough to be playing golf). With those hurdles PING & MGS did a fantastic job at being flexible with these clubs. Normally would not have this in here as I went over it previously, but PING strictly based on how they handled everything was leaps and bounds ahead of any other OEM I have dealt with over the pandemic and for that down the road I will probably buy from PING over others if given a choice in equipment.


    Don’t judge a book by its cover (8/10)

    These clubs are BIG. The black finish minimizes that the best it can but there is no hiding how large and in charge they are. Overall it does not take away from the club or make you feel like you are swinging a paddle. I personally do not like black finish clubs, these though are a little different. The finish has a smoother look to me than all the other black finishes I have seen. The black paired with the slate grey face complement each other.

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    The club numbers are little big for my liking, but I do like the engraved edge around the numbers but with that there is a downside (more on this in miscellaneous section). The back of the club is also well done and the placement of the G710 emblem is appeasing to the eye. At address the longer irons you can see a little bit of the sole on the back side but is not distracting.


    Sound/Feel (10/10)

    These clubs are probably the best sounding clubs I have ever hit. As soon as I hit them, I compared it to the “crack” of a well struck wooden bat and I am sticking to that thought. Every time I hit these the sound makes me smile still. I was weary at first just because of other PING clubs I have heard in the past but was beyond surprised with these and wish I could have this sound in all my clubs. PING used an epoxy behind the face on these and it worked.

    The feel is also one of the best feeling clubs I have swung. The compression is second to none. When you pure a ball with these you know instantly. On the opposite end mishits do not hurt your hands but you still know when you hit a bad one. The face also provides great feedback on where you made contact without needing to use foot spray and other visual aids.

    The selling points (16/20)

    These clubs have a few nice characteristics to them that the OEM uses as big selling point’s, those being:

    • Hydro pearl finish
    • Maraging steel face
    • Higher MOI (layman’s term forgiveness)

    The hydro pearl finish is everything it is hyped up to be. Was great with moisture control in the grooves and wicked away/beaded up like wax on the club itself. I had at least one round a week during the review and the finish held up ok. The finish broke down with debris hitting especially range mats, backyard swings and sand traps. It made scrapes on the finish which it would normally do on other clubs anyway but with the black shows the club itself on the sole, the rest of the club held up extremely well. The 8-iron was my test dummy and go to club on the course, so this easily had over 300 swings on it compared to the 6 iron which maybe was 30-40 swings. The face held up really well. Next to the 6 iron (top) the 8 iron shows more wear on the face but is not too noticeable overall.

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    The steel face claims to launch the ball higher and longer. I think the length came more from the lower lofts on the club than the actual face but the ball for sure launched higher with impressive ball flight. Downside I found on this face was that it was getting a lot of black marks on all the clubs. Not sure if it was the steel face or the black finish but all the clubs had the same thing happen (does wipe off with a wash/wet towel).

    Lastly on this the forgiveness. These clubs gave me a lot of 2nd chances and are the most forgiving clubs I have ever hit. Did not keep the ball perfectly straight on a toe, BUT I was not offline by as much as I would expect on that same strike with another club.

    Good shot of the ball flight here. Little windy so both did not travel normal distance, G710 was a little longer (Loft comparison is G710 1 Degree stronger)

    (PING G710 1st, Taylormade P790 2nd)


    Only thing that matters…On course performance (28/30)

    These clubs PERFORM! I am an iron enthusiast and could play rounds with a few irons and a putter. Every aspect of these 4-UW played. I especially enjoyed the wedges and found myself utilizing them as much as my current Cleveland CBX2’s because the distance control is one of the best for a set wedge I have ever played. My scores were roughly the same round to round, but I was able to prevent myself from getting in bad situations and having to make miracles happen.

    The clubs for a larger size also cut through the rough, not as well of a smaller club but just for their size I was impressed.

    I can stop the ball well on greens with any iron, but the higher flight controlled the ball on the green as well as any other club for me. My average roll out with the 4 iron was 4-5’, all the way down to the wedges that typically stopped <1’. This may not be the case for everyone that doesn’t have the necessary spin, but the higher ball flight will assist you.

    (Gap Wedge Divot spin back)


    The little things…(miscellaneous) (7/10)

    I am one for a clean club. I wipe down after each shot, usually do a wet towel at the end of a round with a few baths throughout the year. I had a little bit of an OCD issue with the large sole numbers collecting dirt around the edging. That dirt does not come out with a cloth or club brush well. I needed to use a toothpick (I am sure there are other tools) to really clean it to my liking. It also came out with a good wash and my handy dandy toothbrush, but I am not washing these clubs down after every round. Minor issue so if you have a little OCD like me…it will bother you.

    Play it or trade it (17/20)

    This was a tough one for me. I am currently in a good place playing and like I said am a good ball striker. The forgiveness of these clubs and the added distance I do not need. The gapping messed with my bag a little and made both my hybrids obsolete. If I was a little older and needed the forgiveness and distance, I would keep them in the bag, but I think a player’s iron like my current gamers for me at this time is a better fit. Other than this, these clubs WOULD FOR SURE have a spot in my bag.

    Wrap it up already!

    If you jumped to the end…tisk tisk...but I will let it slide. Let’s put this review into a few simple paragraphs:

    These clubs check all the boxes as to what they say they do, no gimmicks:

    • Forgiving✅
    • Better finish✅
    • Longer distance✅

    The club profile is very big, by itself the black finish does a good job concealing but no hiding it next to a smaller profile club.

    No club will keep you out of the hazards if you’re aiming that way. It also will not keep you on the green if you skull the ball or make it go farther when you dig to China, but these clubs are AS forgiving as you can get, mishits did not put me in awful positions and allowed me to scramble back.

    The finish lasts better than expected and from what I have read leaps and bounds ahead of the predecessor G700’s. Any club will wear down over time and this black will show especially on the sole, but PING is on the right track with this finish, on top of that it’s SLEEK as hell.

    Distance? I attribute it more to the lofts, but the club face helps and with the added height I was surprised that they flew as long as they did. If you are looking for those attributes, I highly recommend these clubs (also make sure you’re good with standout wear marks).


    Total Score (86/100)


    Great review and write up! I enjoyed reading it. Glad you had a good chance to put them through their paces and to sort out whether they are right for you and I know the review will be helpful to see whether they want to buy them or not!

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  13. Happy for Bryson. Not his biggest fan, but in the end if it works for him and he is finding success then great.

    Turned it on for the last hour or so and heard Faldo talk about the wedge then out it on mute. He's doing it his way and it's working.

    Regardless of whether I like it or not I appreciate the effort he's putting in and the way he is transforming his game, bottom line I wish I had him on my fantasy team!

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