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Since this is MGS. I thought Id add a little data to my story
So i did a quick Ex Putt session to ger some current. Now i will say i know EX Putt is not real putting. But having had this for probably 5 yesrs or so. It is very good on your path and face data.
As you see my tendency is in to out path and slightly closed face. during this session i had prwtty good distwmce control and made 7 of the 20 putts from 10 feet. Which is 35%. Just below Tour average abd well above the 20% a 18 handicap wpuld have. My handicap is actually 17.1. right now.
Now to be fair after this. I played a 9 hole ij challenge mode where you had putts from 26 to 51 feet with some uphill and downhill and big breaks.
They place you on the green in regulation and you go from there. I had 22 putts so not much better than yesterday. Now i do think there were 3 putts that went in that it didnt catch. But still 19 would be too high.
on a good round i normally have 29-31 putts i averaged 33.5 according to the GHIN stats
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2 hours ago, TJ Hall said:
I may have missed it in the posts, but what is the cause of your 3 putts? Are you approaches hitting greens but miles away from the pin? Speed control, starting line, green read issues?
I find it hard to give club advice, something that works for me might not necessarily work for you.
Had a Ping Anser 2i for years and was an ok putter, but started struggling with starting line (cutting across the ball). Switched to a TM Spider and had some success, starting line was much improved but feel was not there (struggled with speed control mostly). Had some days where I couldn’t miss, then others where I had no idea how the ball was coming off the face.
Moved to Odyssey Ai-ONE 7s as part of the test and have felt very comfortable with this putter so far. Struggled my last round out, but I think that was the putter (me) and not the putter (club).
I don't know if I mentioned it specifically in any of the posts, but good question. If I had to boil it down to one thing, it's been my speed control over the last few months. I used to have excellent speed control never really going more than a foot or two long or a foot short. So maybe it's just the lack of play and real time putting, I've lost a bit of sense of touch.
1 hour ago, arodrig29 said:I completely agree. I went through Putter, after Putter, after Putter until I found one that I really liked the feel of. It turns out I needed a really soft face insert. The Ping Sigma 2 Tyne 4 has changed putting for me. I used to be very nervous around the green. Specifically, longer putts. But after going through a pretty tedious, putter fitting, I realized that I didn’t enjoy the feeling of a putter I wasn’t going to feel secure over it.
That is the putter I was fit for when I mentioned I was fit at PING HQ by their master fitters. I putted really well with it for almost 2 years, before of course switching to the Scotty
1 hour ago, GolfSpy SAM said:I have a few suggestions. Take them for what they're worth.
With this particular model, you'll want to try to hit the ball where the arrow is pointing. It's a novel concept, but could be the solution to your issue (I didn't read very closely, but it sounds like you're missing the hole a lot. This could help.).
If you don't love the look of this one (and I get it, it's not everyone's cup of tea), you could always give this a shot:
Don't be fooled - they LOOK similar, but they're completely different. This one's orange. And has a lot more lines. See? Totally different.
Also an option:
This one's really good when you want to use it after the round to club anyone who talked smack about your game. The blood just blends right in. And no sight lines to smear! Double-win!
In all seriouslyness (that's for those of you who like typos ), I'm a huge believer in confidence putting. If you're confident in what you're looking down at, it can make a world of difference. I'm also a HUGE believer in (and it was mentioned by you above) the idea of spending most of your time looking at the hole and feeling the speed, then I give a quick look to make sure I'm still aligned behind the ball, looking back at the hole one more time, and then away we go. I've found some incredible success this way - not 100% "looking at hole while putting" style, but allowing my lizard brain to do the work of gauging speed and letting my body do the rest.
As usual, excited to see what you decide on!
Don't every change Matt...EVER
49 minutes ago, TJ Hall said:Should be a very easy decision…looked like most every putter out there had been listed so far!
That is so true isn't it. Lots of choices!
48 minutes ago, Samuel09152 said:I have watched some of Chasing Scratch but havent seen this episode. The buddy I am talking about is possibly the best golfer I have ever met, and probably why he shouted it at me in frustration. lol Shortly after that I started hearing of Speith used to putt like this on the Tour when he had a case of the yips. I forget the podcast, but they were say Scottie should try it. There is a lot of research on this actually.
The article form Golf Digest this quote stands out to me: 'Ignoring the ball made me a better putter almost immediately—by 20 percent, according to my friend Tony. Recently, I talked with Dr. Bob Christina, a sport psychologist and an assistant golf coach at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro. It was Christina who conducted the study I read about, in collaboration with Eric Alpenfels, the director of golf instruction at Pinehurst. (In 2008, they expanded their findings into a general theory, in a book called Instinct Putting.) "The bottom line for me is that looking at the target frees you up to stroke the ball more naturally," Christina said." (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/david-owen-why-jordan-spieth-and-i-look-at-the-hole-on-putts)
Regardless I still believe, the equipment matter, becasue you have to have confidence in what you are using also. If you look down in see a marshall or a brick, there is problem aslo. So I hope you find a the putter that inspires your putting! Also sorry for the school like quote there, tyring to not make it formal but also stuck in school (MBA) and work mode lol
I took a short game lesson from Eric whoa....maybe 10 years ago or so. One of the best things I've ever done in my life, I'd love to go back down and see him. He taught me there were 5 different type of short game shots and how to approach them. I had always thought of like 1 or 2.
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1 hour ago, GolfSpy BOS said:So we didn't get to this part on the staff Slack, but I have a question for you: Do you know what is happening with those putters?
Do you putt with a line on the ball? I think what you should do first is try to understand what is going on with your putting stroke.
Is it your face angle? If you use a line on the ball and are able to roll it end-over-end to you target then you can eliminate the face being open or shut (to your path anyway). If you cannot roll the ball well with any of them I think it would be difficult to diagnose a push/pull or just general green reading issues. because your face angle will be causing issues.
If you are able to roll the ball end-over-end then you can look at where you miss to help figure it out. Are you missing mostly to one side? Then maybe you have a path issue, or an alignment issue that could be solved with a fitting.
Are your misses all over the place? Then it could just be an alignment/green reading issue and a lesson might be in order.
I do use a line on the ball, and I've spent a lot of time this winter on EX Putt and both my path and face angle were all very spot on, and as mentioned int he Slack thing, we know that Sasha said a path or face has to be really off to cause a putt to miss.
To the Rest of the group!
First off, lots of great replies and thoughts here, thanks to all of you. I could have quoted just about each one as they all had valid points, but the ones below all touch on something I've ever thought about, have tried or have some thoughts on.
Also I realize a lot of you that responded don't know my propensity and easy access to knew clubs. I'm a certified fitter with several brands and as such have a lot of access to many of the OEM's products through either demo or personal purchases. My iron and driver purchases are well documented. I haven't been one to burn through putters, as it's generally the strength of my game. I in fact have an actual grass putting green less than 50 yards from my office, and while I haven't yet this year, it's not uncommon for me to spend several afternoons a week out there on it. Ultimately that's where I need to get back to in the next week once the aeration heals, it was done last week as well. The few putting fittings I've been to, PING HQ and TM HQ I rated as a +2.1 putter, and was fit into mallet style putters. My current Scotty is a smaller mallet, and have used the X7 in the past with great success.
I totally realize buying a new putter or any club is not always the best answer, but it's usually the most fun. And after all isn't that what most of us play this game for fun. We all find fun in different ways.
All that said, there were things in the following posts, that really were spot on and I wanted to comment on.
1 hour ago, Josh Parker said:I would say check out SP like @revkev mentioned. Everyone had pretty good success after the fitting and trusting the process.
That brand is sounding interesting and I will have to go check out the testing thread.
1 hour ago, bx4026 said:I went through the same thing. I think spending the money to be fit is money well spent. I went for an Edel fitting only to find I should be using a blade and not a mallet. Switched and feel much better about it. Number of 3 putts has also dropped.
And oddly enough the best Blade MWT is out today...LOL
1 hour ago, Samuel09152 said:Take this with a grain of salt becasue I do not know as much as most of the guys mentioning stuff above me. I know that for me, putting is 95% mental. If I do not have confidence in myself, I will not make 1 putt. This was the worst part of my game until about 2 months ago. I would 3 putt everything. I changed putters around the New Year time frame and was still struggling, also. Then I played with a buddy, who watched me putt during a round and on the 5 hole, looked at me and some words I wont post here with "Just look at the d*mn hole, stop thinking, and be an athlete". Did I 1 putt that hole? Absolutely not, but like most of my game I don't just swing or rotate. I go through a check list as I swing. Putting was no different. It hit me to leave the checklist (reading the green, lining up the ball, routine stuff) before the putting. But when I step up to putt, I better putt. I have to trust in myself that I did the rountine stuff right, and then go with it. Live with the outcome. This has changed alot for me. Now my problem is trying to get the ball closer to the flag on approach shots so I am not 2 putting everything, but that is somehting different.
With that said, my advice is get a putter (use the above suggestions) that makes you confident in what you are trying to accomplish, leave the routine to the routine, execute the putt by trusting yourself, and be "THE BAD MAN ON THE GREENS".
I don't know if you follow Chasing Scratch at all, but in last year or the year before Eli went to TPI and I think he was working with Greg Rose on the putting green, and he used the simple analogy ---You were a good college basketball player. When you shot free throws did you look at the Rim or the ball as you were shooting. We all know the answer to that. And Eli was shocked to hear that and spent a lot of time reversing his pre trigger routine. Most of us spend 80% of the time focusing on the ball and 20% or less on the hole. When focusing on the hole more than the ball, he improved dramatically.
I haven't yet tried this. But now might be the time.
1 hour ago, StrokerAce said:not sure what length your using but trying a counterbalanced version with a few extra inches at the top could be helpful...
also - since you're a college hoops fan, commentator, radio host and player (at some point) can you recall thinking about technique before you shot the ball? maybe you're getting too technical and you just need to let it flow...
You know I'm tall...something like 6'12" last I checked....(sorry some inside humor) anyway I have always used a 35" and actually tried a 36 and 38 and had just horrible results with them.
During my very first EVENROLL fitting with Guerin Rife, for our first member testing several years ago, he mentioned. You should use the shortest putter that you can comfortably stand with. So I tried a 34" and I just was never comfortable with it, so I have stuck with the 35" It just seems to fit.
1 hour ago, Erin B said:Here’s my two cents. When did you last feel good about putting? When were you last stroking the best? After you remember those, what putter were you using? Putting is so much more mental than anything else. I don’t know if I’d value the last round you played as a gauge to your putting ability. Aerated greens are extremely difficult to hit the line and speed. Also it’s a new season. For instance my pro buddy just played in AZ and played horrible. He was crushing it in the sim and I had to remind him that sim golfing is different than actual play. I played horrible in Mesquite, then came home and shot a 75. Sometimes we just overthink it. The same can be said for putting as I’m sure you know. I think I’d give it a couple practice sessions with your favorite putter, starting with 4 balls with the first one at 3’ then placing one right behind the other at 2’ increments on the same line. Then do the same thing at 90* increments until you hit 360* around the hole. Do this while focusing on your grip and stance more so than if the ball goes in the hole. This helps you focus more on technique. I don’t know if this is the right answer for you, but I do this every time I get in a putting slump. The last thing I would do is buy a new putter. But if you’re convinced on buying a new putter, don’t be afraid of off brands. I tried a Pyramid putter at a golf expo and probably would have bought it if the rep wasn’t such an A**. I also tried other brands as well, but liked the Pyramid because of it’s alignment feature. (We should test them sometime on MGS.) I also like some of the other brands like PXG, Edel, and Sacks Parente. (Excuse my spelling if I butcher names.) Ping is my gamer and I’ve been with it for almost as long as I’ve been playing golf. I’ve tried other putters but have always found my way back to it. Just my two cents, I hope you find the answer. Good luck!
To your very first question, it was last fall. I didn't play much this winter at all due to some recent health issues. So obviously that is probably no. 1 reason, I need to get back into the "swing of things" as much as I can. The Aeration greens were a handy excuse, and yes they certainly didn't help. But one week before that, I played in a scramble and didn't make a single putt. Our Superintendent who is my most regular playing partner said, it looked like the ball was "jumping" off the face of my putter--the Scotty Cameron gamer. So that was something new he said he didn't notice before. Obviously the putter face didn't' charge or the ball, Pro V1, so something in my delivery did. So that is something I need to get on the putting green once they heal and find out what's happening there.
36 minutes ago, cnosil said:@Golfspy_CG2, this may come as a shock, but let’s not look at putters test. We have talked about putters in the past and you have been pretty devoted to the Scotty. I’m also going to ignore the aerated greens number of putts.
let’s break down putting into its skills: aim, stroke, touch, and read. The putter really only impacts aim and stroke. Touch is probably the most important skill. Read is important but obviously not putter related at all…so if your reads are bad a new putter probably won’t help,
Aim and stroke: Most people will say this is the easy stuff and anyone can do it. We still need to develop the skill to aim the putter on the intended line and then make a stroke that starts the ball on that line. Putter design can help with this, but your body will still need to be able to perform this task. Given a straight 8 foot putt, you should be able to make 90+% of them. This is simply being able to control club face. I know people will say specific putters will help, but it is more how you hold and move the putter. From my recent reading some people are stroke oriented and some are face oriented which may influence the putter and configuration.
Touch: this is the key to good putting and I’d say it is questionable how much the putter helps. Center contact is key, so maybe some higher MOI designs help if you miss hit a lot. How do you control speed? This can be more mechanical by usinG how far you move the putter to more feel based where you do something mentally/visually to calculate how to move the putter. I’d say tempo based is probably a little more difficult since you change speed to control distance. This is where I would look first, how good is your speed control?
Yeah, the aim I think goes back to the Sasha comment I mentioned above. I would say in the past my aim and green reading has been maybe slightly above average at best. Perhaps I need to get wish someone like our Superintendent (who you have actually played with) and get some green reading tips.
you know since 98% of my rounds are played on the same course for the last 9 years, I may have fallen into a trap of knowing what a putt is going to do without actually reading it.
25 minutes ago, scotter032 said:Oh!! I do love me some Toulon, I had a Indianapolis a few years ago and putted very well with it. I do like the looks of this one
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4 minutes ago, ZackS said:
My main suggestion is a putter fitting, especially the Edel fitting process is really good in my option. I already thought this but was even more convinced on it after my TPT shaft fitting. Jon Sinclair who did the fitting and has been around the business and the tour for many years said the original Edel putting fitting kit is the best he has seen. The only problem with it he said is on the business side as people were not buying anymore putters after getting fit.
That is the 2nd recommendation for Edel putter fitting, @GolfSpy BOS also suggested it. I do know the local Edel fitter who is only about 30 minutes or so from my course.
Also @revkev that is very interesting on the SP putter and fitting and you are correct about the PING Long game and having to go with the recommdations. Often we stick with what is comfortable for us.
@Girldad18 The reason for my emoji on your reply about Lean Lock is that scares me to death, I tried it once a few years ago out of curiosity not need, and you might as well told me to try putting left handed that's how much I hated it.
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2 minutes ago, Girldad18 said:
Putting can be pretty mentally abusive. In college our mental coach told me something that stuck. You can only control two things, line and speed. If you hit the putt on the line you intended and the speed you intended and it didn't go in, then there is nothing more you can do. Its frustrating, but true. I would start there if I was you. Aerated greens are no fun and in my opinion you have a built in excuse.
For me, you have to find a putter you like the feel of, one you know works and stick with it. Then it is line and speed. You cannot be on the course thinking about your putting stroke or golf swing for that matter.
When I am struggling with this, when I am about to putt and give the hole that last look, I draw a line back to the ball and that is what I try to putt on.
Now if you are not hitting your line or your speed is way off, then you need to do some work on the putting green. After all, we have more strokes on the green with our putter than with any other club per round so we should spend a large majority of practice time putting.
That's a really good post thanks. And I agree with it 100%
On a recent PING Proving Grounds Podcast Marty and Shane had Shasa on and they talked about short game and putting in particular. And I'm going to forget the stat, but we discussed it in MOD Slack Chat, that the most common reason for missed putts is bad green reading, after that it was speed control. And down the list were poor contact or something like that. But the general thought was along what your saying, if you can read the green (i.e. speed and break) correct your chances of making more putts goes up significantly.
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Help!! I need putter advice!
I know there will be no shortage of that here especially on one particular brand. But i haven't felt comfortable with a putter in the last 6 months Including the following
Scotty 1.5 Flowback-my gamer for the past 2 years.
Odyssey Ai 1 Rossie a couple rounds
PING Shea-a couple rounds
EVNROLL 11 some good days and some really bad ones!!
MEZZ Max was good but not great. Only a month or so with it. I didn't miss any short putts inside 3 feet, but I didn't make ANY putts in the 10 foot range and I'm usually good for a couple of those a round.
Look at these stats yesterday. Yes, I'll take the shame of publicly posting a 49....I deserve it
Granted i played on greens that were aerated 24 hours earlier. Also the lack of greens hit isn't too alarming. I played tees longer than I normally do and was into a wind all day. Par 3’s and 1 par 5 were the only ones i was capable of reaching. And all just barely missed. Driver was excellent (more on that in my driver shootout thread) and hitting 7 fairways and 23 putts just doesn’t work. If I had a "decent" day putting I would have shot 43 or 44 and been pretty happy. Call me the Scottie Scheffler of the Forum
Ok so lets hear any and all thoughts
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On 3/20/2024 at 11:44 AM, GolfSpy_BEN said:
Hello All,
This is my 2000th post. I tried to time it up, to hit on March 27th. The 1 year anniversary of my stumbling into what has become a rather integral part of my life. However, because there are so many great things going on the forum, and I gotta get these posts off, I am a week early. Such is life.
A look back at the past year reveals quite the journey so here are a few highlights:
The Callaway Paradym Iron testing opportunity is what prompted me to join. I signed up and impatiently waited for the announcement. The tester’s were announced and to my dismay, I wasn’t one of them.
What happened next is/was critical to my journey. I read @GolfSpy_APH’s how to be a tester thread. Which prompted me to take the initial steps with a completed profile and photo where the B had been. My first actual post came on April 13, 2023
7 people gave a blue heart, which was gratifying, so my initial trepidation about posting was overcome and we were off.
My next pivotal moment, and what I would argue is my finest contribution to these here forums would come from a fundamental question I asked myself:
Over the course of 2000 posts, this was and still is my absolute favorite.
Because I followed the prescribed steps and got myself involved I was chosen to test the Garsen Max Putter Grip. Which was cool, because Garsen sent us three different putter grips to try out. That resulted in:
Subsequently followed by:
I’m fairly certain this review remains unread by the masses, for reasons I have explained on the community call, IYKYK (yes, it’s still there).
We have mentioned in the “want to be a tester” threads that doing a great job on a small item review can be a springboard into bigger tests, I am proof of that as I was selected for one of the most coveted spots for 2023:
It was around this time that @GolfSpy_APH put out a feeler for anyone interested in joining the staff. Along with @GolfSpy AFG, @GolfSpy_SHARK, & @GolfSpy_KFT, I joined the staff as a forum leader. Which prompted @GolfSpy AFG to rename us as the “interns”. Almost immediately @GolfSpy TCB had to step away from the forum and I inherited a moderator role and the VCT. For those who are interested:
And if you haven’t joined us yet, but would like to, our 3rd season will be kicking off the week of April 8th. We would be honored to have you join us.
Lastly, my latest endeavor:
Follow along as I try to overcome a series of seemingly random and unfortunate events.
As I look back on the past year, I am filled with gratitude and admiration for my fellow testers and the membership at large. You have all made this place a special corner of the interwebs, where civility, intellectual curiosity, and kindness rule the day.
A special thanks goes out my fellow staff members: @GolfSpy BOS, @GolfSpy SAM, @GolfSpy_BNG, @Golfspy_CG2, @GolfSpy AFG, @GolfSpy_SHARK, & @GolfSpy_KFT you guys are the absolute best of us and I’m proud to call each of you, my friend.
To @GolfSpy_APH, my sincere gratitude and admiration for not only the opportunity you have entrusted me with, but the ever steady hand with which you guide this ship. It has truly been one of the great pleasures of my life, finding this place.Finally, if you made it this far, thank you for indulging my vanity post and know that you have a friend in me.
- Ben
Ben I think I said it to you early on in your tenure that your contributions were greatly appreciated and again when you came on staff and everyday sense. You---and the other staff-do so much behind the scenes that most people will never recognize, and it's appreciated by all of us.
And most importantly, I think if I were to look back early in your post on who doesn't want to hit blades, I may have made a contradictory post But as we have discussed recently among ourselves, you might be changing my views on that.
While I can't claim the same phrase @GolfSpy SAM coined of game recognizing game in this manor, I can say.
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5 hours ago, aguybadatgolf said:
What head did you go with? Apologies if it was stated elsewhere and I missed it.
Ah! The X. I. don’t think I mentioned it or showed the sole.
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4 minutes ago, sirchunksalot said:I love how that looks at address, the dull carbon reminds me of my King Tec 4 hybrid.
You know. I actually love both matte and gloss finishes.
To me Drivers head finishes are like women, blonde or brunette..doesn’t matter beautiful is beautiful
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Some non LM but GPS Tracked shots yesterday were just so damn impressive. Only w few mishits under 200 and most in the 215 to 222 range and w few in the 230’s
Now to the uniformed readers that is like. Whats so impressive about that. Well go back and read my intro post and you’ll see. Ha
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8 hours ago, Bortery said:
Living locally, I have not played at Kingsmill yet. I have had the opportunity to watch the LPGA play.
With that being said, wish they had a package for those that don’t need the lodging. Seeing how I live less than 30 minutes from the golf course. Being able to play all three courses would be a great long weekend, even for a local.
There are w few who have inquired about golf only. As @cnosil said. We wont know about adding those until the stay and play oackage js full need 2-3 more for that.
Keep checking here as we ger closer to see if that opens up.
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On 3/11/2024 at 10:07 AM, rupp49er said:
Let me start by saying that my swing was not good when I went for my fitting! Lots of low slices with way too much sidespin. I tried the QI10 Max, AI Smoke Max, Darkspeed Max, as well as the Dark Ops, and quite a few different shaft combinations with all of them. Way too much spin for me and not the improvement I had hoped to see in carry and yardage. Finally tried the Srixon ZX5 MK2 with a Tensei White S 65. Even with my poor swing the spin was much lower and the carry +10 yards over everything else I hit, and 17 yards over my current gamer. So it's in the bag for now. 2hrs on the simulator and had my swing in much better shape and was seeing even better results. Played yesterday and the horrible cut was back, I had a couple of nice drives with it but nothing was working, but I can't attribute that to the driver. Back to the range after work, I do feel that once I get back to my normal swing I am going to be happy with it but we will see.
Glad you found one that worked for you. I will have some more updates by the end of the week.
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On 3/10/2024 at 3:21 PM, GolfSpy_APH said:
Let's hear it! I've added several to my list since.
Cobra S3 Max
Cobra AMP
Cobra AMP cell pro x2
Mizuno jpx ez forged
TaylorMade PSI
Ping i e1
Ping i210
Sub 70 659 TC
Cobra Fly z pro
Ping anser forged
TaylorMade P790
Titleist T series combo
Mizuno mp25
... Feel like I may be missing a set or two but that should cover it.
@Golfspy_CG2 you have a week to start yours
Ok this will take a bit. Not enough time tonight and busy with Titleist all tomorrow. So maybe by Wednesday.
which gives me time to add a set or two
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CARLSBAD, Calif. (Mar. 10, 2024) - Scottie Scheffler won his second Arnold Palmer Invitational behind an impressive bogey free five-stroke victory with his Qi10 8.0° driver and new Spider Tour X putter. It’s his seventh PGA TOUR victory, all coming since 2022 and with TaylorMade drivers and irons.
Scottie Scheffler Qi10 Driver
After extensive testing at home prior to Bay Hill and during practice rounds, Scheffler put his Spider Tour X L-Neck putter in play for the first round.
Entering Sunday T1, Scheffler dominated on the greens by leading the field in Strokes: Gained Putting for the final round behind going 17-for-17 on putts inside 15-feet. He backed that up with leading the field for the tournament in SG: Off the Tee with Qi10 8.0° driver.
Scottie’s Spider Tour X Spec
Hosel: L-Neck
Length: 35.5’’
Sight Line: True Path with Full Line
Loft: 3°
Lie: 72°
Insert: 80/20 Pure Roll
Grip: Golf Pride Pistol
In testing, True Path alignment with a full sight line freed Scottie up to not have to use an alignment aid on his golf ball. The technology behind Spider Tour X allowed him and his coach to rely on his natural talent without having to modify technique. Between True Path and high MOI stability of Spider Tour X, he felt free on off-center hits and noticed a considerable increase forgiveness in testing.
Scottie Scheffler Spider Tour X
The build from our TaylorMade tour reps paid dividends as Scottie posted three consecutive rounds of positive Strokes Gained Putting starting with the second round. Scottie’s last 10 results when gaining positive strokes putting include four wins, a T2, solo 3rd, T3 and T4 (not in a particular order).
Scottie Scheffler's Winning WITB
Qi10 8.0° driver
Qi10 15.0° 3-wood
P·7TW 5-PW
Spider Tour X
Scottie’s Qi10 Driver Spec:
Head: Qi10 8.0°
Measured Loft: 8.25°
Loft Sleeve: Upright (1.5° Sleeve)
Shaft: Ventus Black 7X
Length: 45’’
Grip: Golf Pride Tour Velvet 58 Rib
Tapes: 6
Swingweight: D4
STATS BEHIND THE WIN
The stats behind Scheffler’s win show how impressive of a win this was for the World No. 1.
For the final round:
1st in Strokes Gained: Total (+7.155)
1st in SG: Putting (+3.892)
1st in Scrambling (100% 6/6)
T1 in Birdies Made (6)
2nd in Putts per GIR (1.5)
2nd in SG: Off the Tee (+1.981)
3rd in Total Putts (24)
T7 Driving Accuracy (10/14)
T10 Greens in Regulation (12/18)
For the tournament:
1st in Strokes Gained: Total (+16.492)
1st in SG: Off the Tee (+5.046)
1st in Putts Per Green in Regulation (1.58)
1st in SG: Around the Green (+3.786)
2nd in Greens in Regulation (50/72)
T2 in Birdies Made (20)
5th in Strokes Gained Putting (+4.347)
T6 in Total Putts (27.00)
ADDITIONAL NOTABLE STATS
Scheffler was 17-for-17 on putts inside 15-feet in the final round.
Since the 2022 Phoenix Open, Scottie Scheffler leads the PGA TOUR in wins, top-5s, top-10s, Greens in Regulation, SG: Approach and SG: Tee-to-Green.
Scottie’s scoring average so far this year is 67.32, nearly a full stroke better than his scoring average of 68.26 in 2023 which was the second-best scoring average in PGA TOUR history.
Scheffler has finished in the Top 10 22 of 29 starts in the last two years (76% of starts) and has finished in the Top 10 for 41% of his starts on the PGA TOUR.
Scottie’s last 10 results when gaining positive strokes putting include four wins, a T2, solo 3rd, T3 and T4.
On the 11th hole on Saturday, Scheffler was 6-back of the lead and finished 10-under in the last 24 holes to claim the victory.
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On 3/8/2024 at 5:22 PM, Shrek74 said:
I'll be curious to see how your testing of those 2 irons go, and maybe add in the i230 just for a full rounding of Players, Player's Distance, and Game Improvement categories.
Oh i will. And the Blueprint S because why the hell not
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11 minutes ago, BCases said:
The All-fit tips are bigger, heavier, uglier and break rather quickly.
Totally subjective.
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The looks don't bother me at all, the ability to move between heads far outweighs that, and if anything my swing speed has gone up a notch. And granted it's only been a week, but having hit over 100 shots with it on two different heads, I haven't had it break yet.
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So an update for this week: TLDR-Callaway was surprisingly fast! The PING and TM still very good
Monday: Played my first 18 hole round of the year and took out the PING with the GD VR shaft and the Qi10 with the GD QC shaft that I ordered it with.
Had a really good range session with both of them, nice maybe 3 to 5 yard fades with both of them, and while I didn't have a LM out they both appeared to be carrying around the same distance.
Front 9 TaylorMade Qi10-Graphite Design QC 5 R
I decided I'd play the Qi10 the front 9 and the G430 10K on the back, and use my GPS to measure the distance of each drive.
I can't make this up, but the first hole, Qi10, I hit what felt like one of my best drives in a while, and judging by my playing partners reaction he thought so too. He typically drives it 235 to 245, and as I mentioned up front 215 is a good drive for me now days, with most topping out 195 to 205 range. As we were driving to the shots, I could see they were closer than I expected, and I knew he had hit a good one his self.
Sure enough the GPS clocked mine at 227. The longest drive I've had since at least last summer. I'd love to say the front 9 featured 6 more of those, but in reality only one came close it was 214 on a slightly uphill hole, though. Most were in the 196 to 204 range but I only missed one fairway and that was on 9 when I really tried to reach back and kill it! But it was totally playable in the right rough.Back 9-PING G430 10K-Graphite Design VR 5
Most of the 9 was like the front nine, very straight and in play...which is what this driver is about, it's not touted for outrageous distance. But I did really flush one on 17 and it checked in at 216 on a pretty wet fairway, so not much roll at all.
So both drivers did what they are supposed to do, go straight, and not lose distance on shots not on the sweet spot. I think I can safely say I had some drives with both drivers that would have probably been 10 to 15 yards less with some of the non `10K drivers.
Tuesday Range-Callaway AiSmoke Max Graphite Design VR 5Very rainy day, but decided to get a very short range session in with this club, as I feel like I've neglected it during to this point in the shootout. Mainly due to some not great early shots with it and the stock set up.
But as I said earlier about the PING and the Graphite Design....it made this driver come alive.
I set the Full Swing LM up and only hit about 15 balls with it and 10 to 12 with the QI10. The Callaway really shined. I was getting ball speeds in the low 122 and 123 on a lot of my drives, and the ones that I didn't were in the 118'ish range. I hadn't gotten 120 plus on the LM again since last summer. I know that's a good 7 iron speed for most, but for me that has been living in the mid to high teens, it's hope that my goal of 130 is not impossible.
But also of note, is the Smoke Ai had a little draw going, and the ones that didn't went straight to a very small 5 yard fade again.
If you have seen any of the Callaway marketing adds, you see the face with all the different face impacts showing the +gains in each of them. I am generally a High Toe miss when I do, and I can tell you I had a couple of those, and that where the 114 or 115 ball speeds came in, where they might have been 110 to 111 on other drivers. And the ball maintained it's lne, so it would have been totally playable.
It made me very eager to get this driver on course to test, which I plan to do next week.
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Take a look at my Driver Shootout thread, it's really just getting started. I'll come back and post the hyperlink here.
My swing speed is a bit less than yours, 82 to 85 on most. Currently, I'm testing the Qi10, G430 10K Max, Callaway Ai Smoke Max and have the Cobra Darkspeed X on the way.
I will say they are all very good. I've already seen shaft make the big difference between them. For example, the Callaway AiSMoke with the stock Tensei 55G Black, was just ok. But once I put the GD VR in it, it was a totally different driver, same with the PING 10K, the Taylormade already had a Graphite Design in it.
I personally would skip CC, they will fit you for what they can make the most money off of not what fits you the best. If yo happen to live near a 2nd Swing or True Spec, they are legit and will make sure you get fit properly.
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2 hours ago, BNewton51 said:
shows ya how much I paid attention! lol
It actually popped up cause I think someone responded and back I got the alert up top on the screen. But it is funny that the times change, but really not much. It's all what ever is relevant. and as you said, the 7 iron lofts now.... Back then we would have called people crazy for doing that!
Yeah, the old threads can pop up now and then. Whenever I see a new topic come up that already has some responses t it, I'll check out the date to see if's an old one that someone has broujght back, as I burned once by not doing that in the comment I made about it. But it's nice actually to see some old topics come up as we have had such huge growth in the last 2 to 5 years it gives a whole new audience a chance to chime in.
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4 hours ago, Ted Tedeschi said:
Looks like a fantastic opportunity! Like to attend, but caught a little by surprise. Going see if I canswing it.
I think I replied to your email earlier. Let me know if you have any questions. Hope you can make it.
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54 minutes ago, BNewton51 said:
Along those lines, I saw Crossfield on YouTube has done some of this with his Srixons. He carry's two 6-irons. The lofts are obviously different and each plays at a different distance. I found it VERY ODD, but after thinking through what he was saying it kind of made sense if you want to do something along those lines.
But I do like the idea more to have lofts on there somewhere that would make it easier to tell.
Wow a 4 nearly 5 year old thread. Sent me down memory lane, I really miss that combo of AP1/AP2, I think the 718 AP2 are some of the best looking irons I've ever had. But yeah, just like Crossfield, if you read my post on the previous page from when this thread originally posted, I had two 7 irons, the AP1 was 30 and the AP2 was 34.
It also shows how 5 years ago we were talking about "loft jacking" --I hate that term-with a 30 degree 7 iorn---now Titleist and others are at 28 with a 7 in the T350--so it continues
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51 minutes ago, Shrek74 said:
It was mentioned later in the thread, but this is why we should think very seriously about bringing back the loft stamping instead of iron numbers. The loft and internal differences made those two 7 irons play radically different. Thus it made sense to have one of each. The 7 iron of the AP1 played like a 6 of an AP2 I would assume, but gave you more forgiveness than an AP2 would. Plus I'm sure it filled the distance gap appropriately.
This is on my list for fitting come May.
In theory it would make sense to do that and in some ways eliminate confusion.
But it would also confuse the occasional or avenge player, who really doesn't pay attention to lots. They don't know how far a 32 degree iron should go, but they know how far a 7 iron should go. Even through you and I know 7 irons can range between 28 and 34 degrees depending on the model and company.
But golf companies make equipment for the masses, not the 1% of golfers that are forum addicts John Barba has written a couple good articles on this discussion.
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yeah, generally putting is my strength, and I know we all have our off days, but it just seems since like the end of last year to the beginning of this year, it just hasn't felt right. Maybe something more consistent time practicing will help regain that feel.
interesting comment about the face of the putter, my playing partner (superintendent) says he notice that, once I appear set I loosen my grip and regrip it and when I do that he swears he sees the face open at times. It's something he will mention mid round at times as a reminder and I'll try and be more cognizant of it. even though most of my putts tend to miss left, so I may be over rotating the face. But again I'll go back to Sasha's comment on the Proving Grounds that a small 1 degree open or closed in a putter is not going to be the primary reason for a miss. It was interesting on putts that missed right with an open face, I knew as soon as the putt left the head that I left it open. And sure enough the data backed it up.
Yeah, Ex Putt is awesome and this is the first version form like I said 5 years ago or whenever we did the forum test. it has 4 modes and this mode above is the practice mode, just pick a distance and green speed you can pick from like 7 to 14 and just practice straight putts. Then the other 3 modes are more of challenges and playing mode.