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Doesn’t matter if the fitting was done on simulator or a launch monitors like trackman. You still have had baselined numbers from your current set and you could compare that to what you see on the course. Then you would have compared that data with the new clubs which would tell you what distance and launch characteristics were. All of this is used to determine if the newer clubs perform better, whatever that criteria. Could be more distance, could be better control, etc. M2 and P790 are completely different designs. So spin and launch will more than likely be different. Do you have or did you see the data during your fitting.

Loft is only part of the equation for distance. Yes if all things were equal more loft would result in more yards, however you need to look at the dynamic loft, spin, apex/peak height, descent/land angle compared to your old irons and see what they are doing. This should have been part of your fitting. The fitter should have gotten baseline numbers from your old set. This would show you your distance along with the launch characteristics. Have you compared your m2 lie angle to the p790? They may be 2° upright but that doesn’t mean they are that much more up right than your m2. Your cut it’s also more than just the static lie angle on your clubs. Your face angle and it’s relation to path will determine starting line and how the ball moves. Ball flight laws will determine what the ball does

The picture on the right shows $175-200 i59 custom are $250. you stated the i59 not i59 custom. You were also wrong about the i525 and they are inline with all new irons released this year as well as the previously released TaylorMade irons. You claim Ping jumped the biggest yet that’s not true. They jumped the same as titleist for sure and I haven’t looked at Mizuno to see what the 919 irons were.

You didn’t even read the picture you posted. The i59 are listed at $175-200 and the i525 are at the bottom of the picture and they retail $187. Not to mention Titleist, Mizuno and Taylomade are in the $185-187 range except for the 620 series from 2 years ago which the first release of the T series irons were the same price as the 620s are listed for. Apparently you haven’t followed the TaylorMade delays or the fact that all brands have had long delays for anyone ordering Nippon and kbs shafts and to an extend DG

I had the sim2 just to mess around with the ust helium shaft in it. I had that in the m2. I like it the sim2 version but traded it in to tinker with the tsi2 driver. 16.5° heads are my go to in woods. I’ll go 17-17* as well depending on the brand. Gives me best of both worlds. Higher loft makes it easier to hit and the extra length in 3hl adds some distance, I’ll usually add 1/4-1/2” if I have a 16.5 too depending on my mood

Stealth 3hl with ventus red velocore 7s arrived today. Depending on how one’s looks at it, it’s either a week late from the original date or a week early from the last delay message.

It amazes me. Just like complaining about high prices for new releases of any club, or the “there’s no improvement in clubs from year to year crowd” that ignore the golfing public that buys ever 3+ years that probably will see improvement, or complaining about performance before they even hit it

They have a higher price than “normal” on 1 line of irons. That’s nothing new from companies. The i525 are inline with every other brand right now. Have you been shopping for any product lately, the price on every product has gone up even while it sits on shelves because it costs more to make and deliver. Why do people think golf manufacturers are wrong for doing anything that’s normal in consumer pros it’s, whether that’s yearly releases, raised costs, delays due to supplies and so on

True to size means a 9 is a 9 whereas 1/2 size is 9 is a 9.5. The problem I’ve come across is that true to size doesn’t mean much unless comparing shoes within the same brand. Like Nike some jordan shoes run true to Nike size and some run big or small. This is one thing I hate about buying clothes online that I can’t try on or have no experience with. I use Nike for all my baselines because they are what I wear most. Based on the picture I would say that the adidas would run big compared to adidas and the payntr run the same as other adidas

It happens on the golf course all day every day. Golfers swinging at 100% on every swing with every club. The goal is to hit the ball as far as the can with every shot. Many don’t take into account pin location, distance to the front, back, middle of the green and where the ball should land and where they can miss. They laser the flag get whatever yardage and pull the club for that yards. Even though they may have only ever carried a ball with that club that exact yardage a couple times in their life. They don’t plan on rollout, everything is based on total distance and not carry. From the perspective of anyone who understands scoring, course management and so on it may seem silly but when you consider most golfers don’t keep a handicap, are out for the social aspect more than getting better at the game it makes total sense

Center of what? Feet? Pelvis? But either way not going to affect shaft selection. Going longer in length of irons will more than likely lead to a change in swing due to the length. Could be good but could more than likely be bad. This is where you are going to make up improvements in scores more than a fitting. Adding length to the irons more than likely isn’t going to help you with trajectory and could make it worse. 20lbs is significant both from strength perspective but also the changes it has on body composition which can influence how one swings. Look at some of the pros who lost weight whether by choice or illness and the impacts it had on their swings. The c-taper have a very stout shaft and promote a lower launch lower spin ball flight. It’s quite possible that one this shaft is causing your trajectory issues and due to the weight loss could be a bad fit for you. Since you’ve been fit before you know the process and what the fitting can do for getting the right club in one’s hand. As mentioned before it’s not going to magically make one play better but will give them the opportunity to make better swings which will help them execute the golf shot they want easier to do. As golfers we still have to execute and get the ball in the hole

Again not knocking the testers but sun 10 is just a data point with no context. I’m sub 10 and an ok iron player. Doesn’t tell us what type of courses they play, if they are good with irons or not, what type of irons they current play. This isn’t a knock on you but you’ve posted a lot recently about your struggles/inconsistency and you are sub 10. The i59 while on my ponder list but they are still a blade like club and while forgiving aren’t as forgiving as a players distance and there are clubs like zx7, 921 tour and 770 that are better in performance. So not knocking the testers or the clubs but just surprised a club that even pros have somewhat moved away from would finish second in a most wanted test of average golfers with so many other options out there

I’ve hit them and have them on my ponder list. But there are several pros who had them in the bag and took them out, there’s some good golfers on other forums that didn’t like them. No knock on the testers because I don’t know how many are low or just shy of being what most consider mid handicaps but based on my perception the level of tester isn’t in the better player category and there’s some better options imo opinion than the i59. Not knowing what’s in the testing this year it’s just surprising to see these make second

Interesting to see i59 finish second. There are mixed reviews around the interwebs on them.

You need to understand the difference between the course itself and the property. The OB stake defines the course anything inside the stake is considered the course and that’s what the rules apply to. Anything outside the stake while it may still be on the courses property is off the course. The stake itself is off the course. If a course has multiple courses on property and they have holes that run next to each other or maybe ones behind the other a ball on a hole from the other course is also out of bounds because you have left the course of play despite not leaving the property.

Typically going heavier in wedges. Some prefer or recommend keeping same shaft as irons in wedges that you use for full swings. Its all preference and or fit

It means you aren’t generating enough speed to get the proper launch and therefore distances are going to be quite close as the clubs get longer. This is where people add hybrids or fairway woods to help get the ball in the air easier.

As at so many along with the ones who ask about what club you hit on a par 3 so they can compare with what they are hitting while not knowing that lofts aren’t equal in every cloud nor is length.

There are different reasons for what’s happening with club design. In general distance sells. The average golfer wants to hit their clubs as far as they go and don’t really look at anything else. To me it doesn’t matter the distance the ball goes as long as it goes that distance consistently on the same strike. If I hit it towards the toe and it loses 5 yards I want that to be consistent every time I hit it on the toe. Same for full compresses shots or those that are on the sweet spot but I may not have fully compressed the ball. I also prefer to hit an iron over a hybrid do if I need to drop something at the top of the bag I’m fine with that and would fill my gap at the bottom. All my capping is based on my 9i both going into wedges and also to the top of the bag. I’ve never gapped from the top down. Then there’s the design. As people age swing speed drops and it becomes harder to get the ball in the air and have it land at the proper angle to stop in the green. This is talked about in this video

Imo people would be surprised how little their specs will change despite swing changes/improvements. Also how many think the shaft will change because of these or how much they think it influences things. As mentioned above a good fitter is going to tell you the truth. He/she will let you know if there is anything more to gain from what you have. They are going to use your swing and what they see in it, turf interaction, contact point, the ball flight, launch monitor numbers to get the big picture. Combine that with the interview process of what your game is, what’s your weakness, what’s your strength, what are you looking to accomplish to then see what they can do. As for shaving strokes from a fitting. There’s no guarantee properly fitted clubs will reduce anyones score, but probably even less the better the golfer is. The fitted club is there to work with your swing and not have you fighting the club to make the ball do what you want. Unless your current clubs are preventing you from doing something on the course with ball flight, whether that’s up/down or left/right or something else then maybe a different shaft or club head or combo could help. As for finding more yards it’s possible. By moving to a setup with a clubhead designed to launch higher and spin less one could possibly find a setup that produces more yards while still maintaining good descent angle and thus stopping power. Going from apex pro 19 to the apex 19 you could potentially gain yards and not impact stopping power, if the launch and spin are right, this is what a fitting would determine too

What access to a company do you have that is greater than what the sales reps have? Agree, what I’m talking about are the small minority of golfers who check their orders against the build sheet/request. I know multiple fitters who aren’t “certified” that are better than “certified” ones. But same goes for club builders. I have met and been fitted by fitters/demo day reps who have been trained by the company at HQ who are terrible at fitting. Unfortunately due to high volume, lack of staff and all the other issues from the last two years standards have been lower than many are accustomed too. Again just like with the swing weight aspect the percentage of golfers who know this or who check is small compared to the golfing public. Theres some on this forum and others who didn’t know there were build tolerances for loft, lie, length, swingweight. For those that do/did also know that compared to other industries the tolerances in gif builds are a lot higher than let say in construction and various manufacturing areas.

The stake defines the course. The front part of the stake is where the course ends. Anything beyond that point of the stake is now off the course. 18.2A see the diagram. https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rule-18.html

Mine is supposed to be here tomorrow. A week later than originally quoted and a week earlier than the second delay email I got. I love the 3hl and this will be my 3rd one

I don’t get complaining about prices of golf equipment. If one doesn’t like the cost of something then don’t buy it. No different than cars, watches, expensive suits, womens purses, other bags. There’s expensive stuff every where