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There’s literally a world wide supply chain issue that’s been going on for more than a year. There are some shafts that have no date for when they will be available and others that have a long lead time and several companies have pulled these from their matrix if offered shafts so that customers can’t order them and have to wait an unknown amount of time. There there’s some delays in getting other components in including heads. Several of the TM iron heads have been 6 month delay for the last 18 months. Add on top of that companies get a monthly shipment and many times even before the pandemic they don’t get the full allotment of their order so they can’t build what they don’t have. This isn’t a lack of customer service issue and has nothing to do with custom fits or not. It’s a supply chain issue that will still go on for a good part of this year and probably into next year in some cases

You want to believe one shaft company but not another. Using your logic I posted a video of an expert saying torque has nothing to do with dispersion and is about feel. Since you said you watched and don’t believe because you don’t want to admit you are wrong in front of the forum. I don’t have a problem admitting when I’m wrong I’ve done that on here in the past. Which I’m not in this case

Cnosil already pointed out the flaw with that. And there’s not a single fitter that uses torque to determine a shaft for a golfer during a fitting. They use weight and profile to find the right shaft after they find the right head.

It’s not that anyone prefers a wider dispersion area it’s that torque has nothing to do with dispersion. Weight and ei profile paired with the right head size and loft that optimizes the ball flight for the individual golfer is what produces the possibility to reduce dispersion area. Not to mention that torque has no industry standard so torque like flex is only applicable to the shafts in a line from the manufacturer.

And before comments come in about price of shafts, anyone that’s been around forums and have read mgs articles or listened to their podcasts knows that club manufacturers aren’t paying $300/shaft even in small quantities and especially in large bulk orders. They are that much aftermarket so that all the middle men also get paid when a shaft is sold.

It’s absolutely true. Aldila wanted to get the Rogue white into more peoples hands and worked with Callaway to make it a no upcharge shaft. Outside of the TX flex shafts and made for hzrdus red RDX in TM woods all of the PX shafts are aftermarket shafts that are just bought in large quantities by the OEMs to allow them to be no upcharge. This has been confirmed over and over by Don Brown on multiple forums everytime the questions of real deal vs made for comes up or if there’s a difference between handcrafted and non handcrafted What shaft did you have that was a 4.5 and the aftermarket was a 3.2? You do know that some brands have done made for shafts that have the same name and in some cases same paint as the real deal but with different specs. This isn’t anything new in the industry. See Fujikura ventus vs ventus velocore. Other fujikura and Mitsubishi shafts have been like this

Incorrect. They sell high, medium and low torque shafts. Also incorrect on the high price. Many of their shafts are no upcharge shafts in pretty much every brand. And once again the anecdotal approach of saying they aren’t good shafts yet they have a pretty good tour presence and just because they don’t work for you or aren’t great for you ignored that many others get along with them. Edit: before you say if you but their shafts aftermarket they are $300+ yes that is the case as is the majority of shafts on the market. Callaway offers Aldila rogue white 130 for free yet it’s a $300+ after market shaft and $250+ upcharge for the brands that offer it in their matrix

What matters more? Brand loyalty or having the best club for your swing? Whatever it is buy the one that wins between those options

Problem that fit and build clubs will tell you the same. Lots of discussion on other forums by very experience club builder and fitters that state that. Improved dispersion comes form havin a ball flight that’s been optimized via a shaft and head combo that fits the golfer. That’s based on a head that gets the ball in the right launches window and a shaft used to tweak the flight to optimize the flight. Shaft weight and EI profile more important than torque and flex which neither has an industry standard.

Guess since he’s been posting in other threads he has no evidence to back up his claims in this one so he’s moved on to trying again elsewhere on here

If you actually read the part you quoted I said in the fitting. As for conversation with them while there we talked about it and they showed us how they measure it too. If you watched the video I posted from True temper they also claim it as did Don Brown during my visit to PX. And many others who are in the industry with years of experience in club building and fittings. Anecdotal stuff related to your preference doesn’t make something true or false. Many golfers if something doesn’t feel good it won’t perform for them because they end up manipulating their swing to try and make it work. I have sacrificed feel with the hzrdus yellow because it performed best for me in several fitting. But yes torque these days is for feel. Most low torque shafts have a profile that promotes a low launch and low spin ball flight which is not what most amateurs need. I can tell you the vast majority of amateurs hate the hzrdus shaft line up because of the feel and the 3.5 or lower torque. And again if you watched the video I posted torque has no correlation to dispersion

I don’t think they know that her based on what I read. Invites havnet gone out for the events yet. Might be misreading that

A carried fitter has no more access than a sales rep from the same brand. Tolerances for swings weights are typically 1-2 points. They request d4 and get d2 that’s within tolerance. They request shorter shaft and to get swingweight to match the default but it comes in lighter by 1.5 still within tolerance. Ime certified fitter doesn’t mean a whole lot. Definitely doesn’t gurantee a good fitting and I’ve seen that firsthand with Ping, Titleist and TaylorMade. Not to mention you can literally read peoples experiences with what they requested from an OEM and see they didn’t even get close to it. TaylorMade and Callaway are two of the brands that brands with recent issues. Mizuno and titleist lately have joined that group

What does certification have to do with it. I know people who had their orders submitted by the sales rep and they didn’t get the swingweight they asked for. It was still within the build tolerance but was lighter than requested. Ime and also reading various forums brands don’t guarantee they will match the order, this includes titleist. Ping is the only brand I know of that will do it especially if it comes from their reps

People have options they just choose the easy route. If anyone doesn’t know that the vast majority of products they use on a daily basis come from China and other counties with various ethical issues they are just being ignorant. Manufacturing has been overseas for decades at this point. Nearly everyone on this site is using devices to post that come from China. Also using equipment for a sport they like that comes from there too.

Beat me to it.

This thread isn’t about me or my gapping at the top of the bag or anywhere else in my bag. I have my bag setup that allows me to effectively play any course and have options off the tee and off the deck. This thread is about my curiosity of peoples thoughts who have posted a jut having gapping issues at the of the bad between driver and whatever their fw of choice is. Then this thread isn’t meant for you. As mentioned above it’s for those who have actually posted the comments about that gapping issue.

You think the top 70-200 aren’t trying to win a major? An event then can be life changing including some guaranteed time on the tour. The top 125 in FedEx cup points have membership on the tour. Do you think they aren’t trying to win a major or even a single event that gets them a guaranteed job for two years. Look at the names in 70-200 especially the ones in 70-150. those names aren’t just out there trying to make a living http://www.owgr.com/ranking?pageNo=1&pageSize=150&country=All

Gotcha. You could bend them stronger but like anything there’s a chance something breaks. I would imagine then difference in shafts has a role in what you saw.

They aren’t free agents. independent contractors is probably a better name. They have membership to the pga and that comes with certain stipulations to maintain said memberships.

The interesting thing in that article is about fitting to torque. That has be never been something I’ve seen in any fitting I’ve done or watched. The profile of shaft is what fitters look at based on what the golfer gives in feedback and what they see in ball flight. Could be a softer or stiffer tip, or same for butt end. Changing kick/bend point. When I was at PX my feedback to DB was I wanted a softer feel. He changed torque to slightly softer in the design with it changing the ei profile of the shaft. Edit: also never came up in the conversation with UST when it comes to fitting golfers. Danny looked at ball flight, swing and launch monitor numbers to determine shaft.

That’s called an interview. It’s as simple as reaching out to the instructor scheduling a time to talk with them and see if they are a fit. I’ve done this twice with instructors I was looking at. One I did it via direct message and the other via phone. Most instructors these days have a website and/or social media where one can gather information about them and their teaching style. Imo you are making this way harder than it really is. The internet is the database. You can find anything your looking for with just a few simple words. I did a quick search of golf instructors in Jacksonville, FL since it’s a random location to where I’m at. Found numerous links to golf instructors with reviews here’s one as an example. https://www.tpggolf.org/

Your experience is just that it’s your experience and it’s not actually truth as a whole. Like flex there is not industry standard for torque. It’s measured differently by the various companies and they also use different machines. Unless you know that shaft A from Company X was measured in the same way as shaft B from Company Y the comparison in The number is useless. If you want to go with anecdotal evidence I was fit by UST Mamiya into their helium shaft when it came out. It was 59g with 5.4 torque and produce great results for me. They were even better than the gold shaft which was 63g and 3.8 torque. It also performed as well as my hzrdus yellow 60 6.0 in the same head. Torque while it relates to the twisting is used more these days for feel. That is directly from Don Brown of PX when I was there in 2017 for two days. And you can hear it hear from experts that it doesnt impact dispersion

You are adding loft by bending them week so how would you lose height? 5 yards of distance difference isn’t really all that much and that’s something that can easily be compensated for in on course play. Did you compare you launch characteristics between the two sets to see why there was a distance loss despite the 301 CB being stronger lofted?

In the last 6 years or so I’ve had modus 120s twice, PX 6.0, DG AMT White S300, Recoil 110 twice. I have tested modus 105S, DG 105 S300, DG 120 S300, recoil 95, KBS $ Taper and KBS Tour. The type of clubs they have been in have been more players type irons either a CB, mix of CB and blade or players distance. I don’t really have any issues moving between them. Only “adjustment” period I need it to figure out distances of the new clubs and that’s usually no more than the first range session, if I bought blind, which doesn’t happen often with irons for me. Ive never come out of a fitting needing to get used to irons.