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Science, it's what's for dinner !

Not a bad experience, a typical experience.e I don't know any low single digit players who find the caddies at these places worth a damn. They all try to double bag, and that too is pure BS, as that takes away any benefit a caddy might provide. Experience? Only a few things mattter: how was the weather, condition of the course, whether the caddy was a distraction, whether the caddy had any beneficial local knowledge (rare), and the score at the end of the day. Playing well is not the cherry on top. Mot getting distracted by a caddy who thinks they are god's gift, not being misled by a caddy, and not being paired with folks who shouldn't be there. That might be the cherry on top.

Erin Hills is not a good course IMHO. Boring, few holes stand out from the rest, greens, even after the redesign, leave much to be hoped for. As to caddies, the 'suggested tip' is a joke. No one suggests a tip, a tip is based upon quality of service, knowledge of the course, personality, etc. Most at Erin and Whistling will leave you wanting, and they carry double, which is fine a local club but not at a place one plays maybe once a year at most. They will also shove everything from your carry bag into a much smaller bag, without telling you until you get to the first tee. I refused it, and I refuse to have a caddy doing doubles at places such as these. The one time I had to do it, I carried my own bag for most of the round, and they still expected a caddy fee and tip.

Jim What's the real difference between GM, TruBlue and Mitchell?

Seems no one, other than Jim, answered. Here's your sources. 1 - https://www.golfworks.com/lead-shaft-tip-weights/p/gw0105/ 2 - https://www.golfworks.com/rubber-tungsten-tip-weights/p/gw0121/ 3 - https://billybobsgolf.com/product/brass-swingweights-for-graphite-shafts/ Billy Bob's sources much of the equipment they make, themselves.

I can't imagine how or why anyone would pick a fight with Wishon.

I would hope your focus is on Honest reviews, not 'good' reviews.

I haven't done any research? Laughable at best, considering you don't know me.

A bio can be, and many times, is, puffery. A photo means nothing. History? Lots of folks here are filled with their own ego and post as though they know it all. I read so many posts that are filled with misinformation by posters, that I know entering into the fray would be pointless. There are a few who post often, that are really knowledgeable, and they would be the ones I want testing my product. If the OEM wants a survey with bias, they should pay for it themselves, and then post the results.

The criteria will provide highly biased results. I've built putters, fooled around with a few designs etc, but I don't self promote and I don't blather on in 100s of threads to make myself feel important., as many here do.

Your criteria is horrible. Few would create a survey with such subjective criteria, as it provides invalid results. If the OEM wants a study that validates his opinion, he should do it himself. If you want true random sampling, then do random sampling.

IMHO, your criteria is quite subjective, and focuses on self-promoters. Accept names, randomly choose the short list, and go forward with testing.

I would beg to differ. He's a bit testy. ----- Howard is very good, and has knowledge far above those who post to him.

of course it's relevant, where else would part-time caddies and friends of tour players be able to sell their tour van stuff that cost them nothing, and charge 3X what it's worth to a very willingly gullible public?

And that MAP story is full of hot air.

12.5 hours? How does he / she recoup that cost?

Can anyone answer these questions: Does CC buy a full set of irons with shafts and grips, pull the shafts and reshaft with the suggested shaft from the fitting, OR does it have the contractual ability with OEMS to buy heads only? If they are buying heads only, and not a complete set of irons, how does MAP or MSRP enter into the price charged to their customer?

Oh how true. I spent 6 years rebuilding my swing to what it was in my early 20s, with a very good instructor. Never once went back to old moves that were compensations. While working the instructor, and also working on his swing changes with him, so many others on the range would amble by and ask for the swing tip of the day, hit 10 balls and go to the first tee Once rebuilt, the old motions were gone forever.

My post presumes the customer is astute enough to work out a cost arrangement. Most clubs need lie work, so that's why it's first. Then after a lot of range balls and a few rounds, you get the lofts addressed. Very few, who play golf, have good enough swings to benefit from a leap into new shafts on day one. That is a waste of money. If you don't have shaft lean at impact, any old shaft will do for the vast majority of those who play golf. Fitting is about giving them proper loft and lie first, even adding a shaft extension if necessary. Once length, lie, loft are locked in, then the customer should work on the swing, and once that is locked in, spend the wild cash on new irons and shafts. If I'm CC, and I know them pretty well, I'll sell you whatever I can, it's a business. If I'm someone who plays golf, I actually want to be fit properly.

You sir (I presume), are correct. They buy heads only and screw the customer on pricing.

Quite interesting discussion as years ago, one of the largest Ping resellers, Pro Shop World of Golf in Skokie, IL (long since closed) was in a pizzing match with Ping about what they sold iron sets for. Because of volume, they sold many sets of Pings to Japanese business folks who were in the US. Ping never shut them down but they did fight them on 'advertised' price.

CC owns SST Pure and if recall what Everett told me many years ago, he was an early investor in the technology. It's expected that CC will upsell this all day, every day. The blog has this: "Our builders are expected to deliver clubs within 1/8 of an inch, one degree of variation for loft and lie, and one swingweight point" ---- That would never pass by me for any of the builds I do, those variables are too wide. The blog has this: "Most off-the-rack clubs are built in an assembly line where those tolerances aren’t assured and inspected. The assembly line process will have machines automate all the work or have one person cutting the shaft, another gripping and another gluing, and so on" ---------- This was the CC model until a few years ago and also why they had delivery time issues, when they hired a person with production expertise. It would seem to me, that most folks would have done enough research to know that the first session with a 'custom fitter' is an analysis of loft and lies, especially lie angle to make sure that what equipment they have is appropriate for whatever swing they have. A second session would be focused on dialing in lofts, with a third session focusing on shafts. After the irons are done, then focus on hybrid, then driver.

Tehama had the best fabric IMHO, a 60 / 40 cotton poly weave for shirts. Best of both worlds. They no longer exist, but I have found similar at Kohl's, of all places. I'm not a fan of the 100% poly shirts in either feel to skin or durability. The 100% poly shirts also have no surface texture and easily pull out of pants, even if you have the inserts sewn into the pant liner that supposedly holds the shirt in, but doesn't. I'll never wear a UA product, and they were my client for a number of years. Same for pants and shorts, 60 /40 cotton / poly.

GP MCC. Plus 4 is nice buy too much weight. Build up the MCC myself and control where the buildup is, with more on right than left

This is where I believe most folks are misinformed. The fitters are not recalling from memory, the metrics gathered from a few driver and iron swings is matched up with a database of profiled shafts that fit within those metrics. The 'art' comes from determining if someone should be, for irons, hard or soft stepped, or fit into a 370 shaft where we can trim to flex.