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sgold7 got a reaction from MDGolfHacker in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from IndyBonzo in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from tdroma98 in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from Vegan_Golfer_PNW in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from sirchunksalot in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from Merlin1313 in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from fixyurdivot in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from cksurfdude in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from JerryB in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from Charles Lechair in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from MattF in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 reacted to Kenny B in How'd you play?
You didn't just break 80... you smashed it! Congratulations!!
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sgold7 got a reaction from Kenny B in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from ejgaudette in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from Girldad18 in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from StrokerAce in How'd you play?
Finally Broke 80 with a 74 on Saturday! It's been a long road since breaking 90 on July 4th 2018 with an 87! My prior career low was also in 2018 when I was playing a lot, 81. It had been 4+ years since I broke 85 so Saturday was out of the blue! 5/6 fairways with the driver, 31 putts, striped long irons on the other holes, career high GIR%, fairway % (thanks, The Grint!), 3 birdies, 3 sandy saves! Just one of those days!
And then followed it up with an 82 on Sunday (3rd best round ever, never went lower than 89 at that course) at a really tight, wooded, watery course in which I hit irons off the tee 11/14 holes... and hit 11 fairways with those irons (2/3 drives for penalty in the woods). Being a big hitter never really felt like a plus because my driver is proportionally as inaccurate is it is long (120+ swing speed) as I didn't control those longer irons either. But for the first time in my career I'm stepping up to the tee with my 2i, 4i, 5i and am fully confident that I'm going to stripe one! Super cool feeling. Now I just need to dial in the wedges a bit more!
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sgold7 got a reaction from RickyBobby_PR in Driver Shaft Question
Appreciate the details there, RickyB. Going to go down a bit of a rabbit hole on these shafts. The CC near me is no more so I'd rather not get formally fitted, but I do know that it's probably the right thing for me. Thanks again!
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sgold7 got a reaction from tony@CIC in 2020 Forum Member Review - SuperSpeed Training System
Wanted to provide an update on my progress. First, here's a link to my origional post in March of 2019:
TL;DR - I got my average speed with the driver (working on a simulator) up from 116 to 122 after 8 weeks. Had a wrist injury linger. Took some time off, got back up to the low 120's. 2019 was my best golf year but I couldn't control driver. My 3w was up to 116 and I could hit it about 280 so I just stuck with that. In 2019 I lived a few blocks from a simulator that I could go to basically whenever.
2020 happened. Moved away from the simulator so I couldn't practice during the week, nor could I track my driver speed. I was only doing the first protocol throughout 2020 (35 total swings)and I played s*** golf. 3w was no good. Driver stayed in the bag. Long irons were no good. It was a mess.
2021, I move into a building without a gym. I decide to ramp up to protocols 4 & 5 using the sticks as some cardio. Playing poor golf. Bombing 3-wood but it's very inaccurate. Two Saturdays ago I was playing with my longest hitting friends and out drove them with my 3w on a few longer holes. Was playing s***** so they convinced me to hit driver on the 18th hole- the only hole I could never go after in two (par 5). Well, I smoke a drive and had a 205 yard look to the green (The card reads 538 from the whites). I didn't hit it but it gave me the ability to conclude "If I cant hit my 3w accurate, why not focus on driver tomorrow?"
The next day I used driver and hit fairways on the first 6 driver holes. The 7th hole I did spray one right, OB, but my second shot was good. I hit it 11x and only 1 OB with 7 fairways. Never had a day like that and my takeaway was twofold:
1. Use your driver on holes that allow for it.
2. The swing sticks, like in 2019, have made me more accurate.
Now, the question became, how far am I actually hitting it (as I cant measure my speed anymore)? I've since gone to google maps to measure some of the shots that I've hit. I've got no reason to bullshit you guys but I'm carrying the ball 330 yards (went onto Google Earth to do some measuring).
There's a bunker on hole 2 that's 330 to the far side of the bunker --- on Sunday I was about 15 yards beyond it. Hole 4 reads 512 from the blues, 497 from the whites. I was driver - gap wedge in. Hole 9 reads 359 and plays a bit downhill but I flew a greenside bunker (front left bunker, Google Earth had that bunker starting 333 yards from the box). Hole 11 is 505, that one was driver - gap wedge again (in addition to my driver adding distance, all my clubs play 1-2 clubs stronger. I went into this season with a Gap that was 125 stock. I was pin high & left on 11 last weekend with a gap wedge from 152 out).
I'm not playing very good golf as my wedge distances are all over the place and they aren't dialed into the newfound distance (and driver confidence) but the main reason I wanted to post today was A) The sticks work, if there was any doubt. B) I've been more accurate with my driver over the last 4 rounds than I ever have with my 3w.
Looking forward to the weekend already!
(If you don't believe the distances, pull up Google Earth, pull up "Woodcrest Country Club, Cherry Hill, NJ". The first teebox is the par 4 'north' of the clubhouse with 3 distinct tee boxes (the dog leg left with a creek before the green---not the short par 3 left of the clubhouse). Follow that hole to hole 2. Measure from the middle of the tee box to the first bunker on the right. The far edge of that bunker is 330. I was over it last week by a good 10 yards. I was close enough to the tree that I didn't have a straight look to the green).
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sgold7 got a reaction from MaxEntropy in 2020 Forum Member Review - SuperSpeed Training System
Wanted to provide an update on my progress. First, here's a link to my origional post in March of 2019:
TL;DR - I got my average speed with the driver (working on a simulator) up from 116 to 122 after 8 weeks. Had a wrist injury linger. Took some time off, got back up to the low 120's. 2019 was my best golf year but I couldn't control driver. My 3w was up to 116 and I could hit it about 280 so I just stuck with that. In 2019 I lived a few blocks from a simulator that I could go to basically whenever.
2020 happened. Moved away from the simulator so I couldn't practice during the week, nor could I track my driver speed. I was only doing the first protocol throughout 2020 (35 total swings)and I played s*** golf. 3w was no good. Driver stayed in the bag. Long irons were no good. It was a mess.
2021, I move into a building without a gym. I decide to ramp up to protocols 4 & 5 using the sticks as some cardio. Playing poor golf. Bombing 3-wood but it's very inaccurate. Two Saturdays ago I was playing with my longest hitting friends and out drove them with my 3w on a few longer holes. Was playing s***** so they convinced me to hit driver on the 18th hole- the only hole I could never go after in two (par 5). Well, I smoke a drive and had a 205 yard look to the green (The card reads 538 from the whites). I didn't hit it but it gave me the ability to conclude "If I cant hit my 3w accurate, why not focus on driver tomorrow?"
The next day I used driver and hit fairways on the first 6 driver holes. The 7th hole I did spray one right, OB, but my second shot was good. I hit it 11x and only 1 OB with 7 fairways. Never had a day like that and my takeaway was twofold:
1. Use your driver on holes that allow for it.
2. The swing sticks, like in 2019, have made me more accurate.
Now, the question became, how far am I actually hitting it (as I cant measure my speed anymore)? I've since gone to google maps to measure some of the shots that I've hit. I've got no reason to bullshit you guys but I'm carrying the ball 330 yards (went onto Google Earth to do some measuring).
There's a bunker on hole 2 that's 330 to the far side of the bunker --- on Sunday I was about 15 yards beyond it. Hole 4 reads 512 from the blues, 497 from the whites. I was driver - gap wedge in. Hole 9 reads 359 and plays a bit downhill but I flew a greenside bunker (front left bunker, Google Earth had that bunker starting 333 yards from the box). Hole 11 is 505, that one was driver - gap wedge again (in addition to my driver adding distance, all my clubs play 1-2 clubs stronger. I went into this season with a Gap that was 125 stock. I was pin high & left on 11 last weekend with a gap wedge from 152 out).
I'm not playing very good golf as my wedge distances are all over the place and they aren't dialed into the newfound distance (and driver confidence) but the main reason I wanted to post today was A) The sticks work, if there was any doubt. B) I've been more accurate with my driver over the last 4 rounds than I ever have with my 3w.
Looking forward to the weekend already!
(If you don't believe the distances, pull up Google Earth, pull up "Woodcrest Country Club, Cherry Hill, NJ". The first teebox is the par 4 'north' of the clubhouse with 3 distinct tee boxes (the dog leg left with a creek before the green---not the short par 3 left of the clubhouse). Follow that hole to hole 2. Measure from the middle of the tee box to the first bunker on the right. The far edge of that bunker is 330. I was over it last week by a good 10 yards. I was close enough to the tree that I didn't have a straight look to the green).
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sgold7 reacted to Just another lefty in MGS Golf Ball Test
@sgold7 thanks for the great post. That was a lot of work on your part and I'm glad you shared it.
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sgold7 reacted to yungkory in MGS Golf Ball Test
Haters gonna hate, I really enjoy your reviews.
You two are bigger nerds than me, that's sayin something. Thanks for doing these, it's cool to see what people do with data and I wish I was better at Excel. The most work I ever put into it was to build a Daily Fantasy Sports (Draftkings) lineup optimizer for NBA and NFL. I was doing pretty good until the site got banned in Hawaii 😞
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sgold7 got a reaction from Just another lefty in MGS Golf Ball Test
I love data and I'm glad the MGS crew gave us all of theirs! I'm also a fan of trying to use the data to draw my own conclusions; when my conclusions are corroborated by the MGS crew it's better than me going into my spreadsheets with preconceived notions.
Biases:
I used the Pro Plus in the first half of '18 and V1x's in the second half. I'm a huge Tiger fan so I'm partial to the Bridgestone as well, though I do enjoy looking down at the clean cursive "Titleist" on the ball. I play Mizuno clubs and used a Mizuno baseball glove since high school and it's been 10 years with that glove still playing softball, so I do like their products.
Lastly, my game is steadily improving from never breaking 100 last year at this time to shooting sub-90s in the hardest course in the area now with a career low of 81. I smash the ball, over 115 MPH swing speed (improved from 116 to 121 thanks to the Super Speed sticks and documented my progress in that thread)--- but the problem is it doesn't go straight. I fight a major slice and use mostly 3W off the tee because I can still get it out there around 265+.
My ball flight is getting to be much more consistent (draw) and my touch around the green is improving. I love the way the V1x's feel off the putter and around the green. "They Say" you should start around the green and work back when testing balls, so I'm hesitant to switch from the V1x--- but I'm not doing my due diligence if I'm not running the numbers myself and testing a few others. So here's what I did:
I took all the balls I'd consider (tour balls from Bridgestone, Titleist, Snell, Srixon, & Vice) and found Z-Scores in each category I deemed important for each phase of the game. I then weighted each component that was tested and got a final Z-Score (real quick Z-Score primer: 0 is average. +1 is better than 66% of the comp. +2 is better than 95% of the comp. Minuses are inverse.). For the driver I weighted distance the most, dispersion the second most, etc. For the wedges I didn't weight distance at all, weighted shot area and offline pretty heavily--- though I did weigh the STDev of the distance (I don't care how far the wedges go, as long as they go the same distance every time).
I'd be more than happy to go as in depth on my weightings if you guys want to get into the minutia but I'll try and keep it a bit less granular for post one...
Driver:
(the final column on the right is 'Distance 50%, Offline 25%, and spin 25%'. I left launch out of the calculation because if something is long and straight I don't really care if it's high or low launch). Numbers at the bottom, top is average, bottom is STDEV.
Driver Carry Offline Launch Spin zCarry zOff zLAng zSpin Grade Snell MTB-X 289 8.6 12.3 2206 2.24 -0.66 0.27 0.57 1.09 Bridgestone Tour BX 286 3.4 12.4 2171 1.34 0.67 1.08 0.90 1.06 Srixon Qstar Tour 283 1.7 12.3 2129 0.44 1.11 0.27 1.29 0.82 Titelist Pro V1x 282 4 12.3 2254 0.14 0.52 0.27 0.13 0.23 Bridgestone Tour B RX 282 7.9 12.3 2163 0.14 -0.48 0.27 0.98 0.19 Titelist Pro V1 281 5.1 12.4 2240 -0.16 0.24 1.08 0.26 0.04 Srixon Zstar 281 3 12.2 2307 -0.16 0.78 -0.54 -0.37 0.02 Vice Pro 279 0.5 12.3 2270 -0.76 1.41 0.27 -0.02 -0.03 Snell MTB Black 280 5.4 12.3 2205 -0.46 0.16 0.27 0.58 -0.04 Bridgestone Tour B XS 282 6.4 12.1 2367 0.14 -0.09 -1.35 -0.93 -0.18 Mizuno RB Tour 285 11.2 12.1 2460 1.04 -1.32 -1.35 -1.80 -0.25 Bridgestone Tour B RXS 278 0.6 12.4 2331 -1.06 1.39 1.08 -0.59 -0.33 Srixon Zstar XV 281 12.5 12.4 2248 -0.16 -1.65 1.08 0.18 -0.44 Vice Pro Plus 276 9.1 12.2 2171 -1.66 -0.78 -0.54 0.90 -0.80 Mizuno RB Tour X 278 11.1 12 2492 -1.06 -1.30 -2.16 -2.09 -1.37 281.5 6.03 12.2 2267.6 3.33 3.91 0.12 107.1 Takeaways & Questions:
If you don't care about anything but distance, the Snell MTB-X is the no brainier, but that strong negative grade in zOff gives me hesitation (Offline pretty significantly more than the other top-tier driving balls). The BStone Tour BX and the QStar Tour would be the balls I'd play if I only did this analysis on driver. The Titleist and the other Bridgestone right behind were good to see. There seem to be 5-6 balls that are a clear notch or two above the rest---but as everyone and their mother says regarding fittings, focus on the wedges and irons.
7 Iron
7 Iron Carry Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Langle Spin Carry Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Langle Spin Srixon Zstar XV 195.7 0.81 2.49 3.02 31 16.7 5985 -0.33 1.86 2.08 -0.21 1.04 -0.71 0.52 0.83 Titelist Pro V1x 197.3 1.41 5.48 2.07 37 16.7 6022 0.24 1.15 -0.16 0.68 0.93 -0.71 0.60 0.57 Bridgestone Tour B RXS 203.4 2.65 4.37 1.41 47 17.5 4994 2.38 -0.32 0.67 1.29 0.74 1.62 -1.74 0.50 Bridgestone Tour B XS 193.8 3.07 4.49 0.81 31 16.6 6000 -0.99 -0.82 0.58 1.85 1.04 -1.00 0.55 0.37 Mizuno RB Tour X 193.8 1.69 5.76 2.21 47 16.7 6365 -0.99 0.82 -0.36 0.55 0.74 -0.71 1.39 0.36 Srixon Zstar 196 1.12 7.38 1.98 28 17 5634 -0.22 1.49 -1.58 0.76 1.10 0.17 -0.28 0.21 Vice Pro 196.9 2.06 5.76 2.13 55 17 5619 0.10 0.38 -0.36 0.62 0.59 0.17 -0.31 0.17 Mizuno RB Tour 192.5 2.25 5.45 2.28 65 16.5 6423 -1.45 0.15 -0.13 0.48 0.41 -1.29 1.52 0.16 Vice Pro Plus 196.9 2.65 6.14 2.67 89 17.1 5510 0.10 -0.32 -0.65 0.12 -0.04 0.46 -0.56 -0.23 Srixon Qstar Tour 199.7 2.79 2.55 4.18 147 17.6 5045 1.08 -0.49 2.03 -1.29 -1.12 1.92 -1.62 -0.23 Snell MTB-X 194 2.06 6.48 4.01 104 16.6 6134 -0.92 0.38 -0.90 -1.13 -0.32 -1.00 0.86 -0.34 Titelist Pro V1 196.3 3.25 6.16 3.34 137 16.85 5968 -0.11 -1.04 -0.66 -0.51 -0.93 -0.27 0.48 -0.46 Bridgestone Tour B RX 200.6 2.93 5.07 4.39 162 17.4 5188 1.40 -0.66 0.15 -1.49 -1.40 1.33 -1.30 -0.55 Snell MTB Black 196.1 3.27 5.69 3.64 150 17.1 5691 -0.19 -1.06 -0.31 -0.79 -1.18 0.46 -0.15 -0.61 Bridgestone Tour B X 196.4 3.65 5.81 3.79 173 16.8 5773 -0.08 -1.51 -0.40 -0.93 -1.60 -0.42 0.04 -0.75 196.63 2.38 5.27 2.80 86.87 16.94 5756.73 2.84 0.84 1.34 1.07 53.68 0.34 438.65 Takeaways:
I weighted six categories equally for the 7-iron test: Carry, Carry STDEV, Offline, Offline STD, Shot Area, Spin. So if you think about it, it's 2/6 distance, 3/6 accuracy, and 1/6 spin. Maybe I underrated spin a tad, and when re-adjusting it to make spin more important, nothing unexpected happened: The Mizuno balls jumped up to .57 and .44, the BStone Tour RXS dropped from .5 to .07.
Frankly, I wasn't totally sure what I'm 'looking for' with regards to a longish iron like this. For me, a 7-iron is 175 yards so there isn't really too much to conclude regarding this. Good to see the V1x grade well. The Bridgestone Tour B X with the lowest ranking grade is a surprise after it was the best non-Snell driving ball. The dispersion grades on the Tour BX were all very positive with the driver but very low with the 7-iron. But the overall dispersion offline with the driver was 3.4 yards and with the 7-iron it's only 3.79. So the dispersion is similar, its just that the average dispersion with the driver is way above 3.4 while the 7-iron dispersion average is below. Interesting none-the-less.
Wedges:
Wedges Spin Spin STD Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Spin Spn STD Cry STD Offline Off STD Area Vice Pro Plus 8993 77 4 0.07 9.3 11 -0.92 0.60 0.70 1.67 0.45 0.68 0.53 Titelist Pro V1 9519 44 4.5 0.29 8 28 0.63 1.11 0.49 0.73 0.73 -0.63 0.51 Bridgestone Tour B X 9523 58 4 0.3 12.1 17 0.64 0.89 0.70 0.68 -0.14 0.22 0.50 Titelist Pro V1x 9524 63 3.7 0.52 8.2 20 0.65 0.81 0.82 -0.26 0.69 -0.01 0.45 Snell MTB Black 9294 72 4.7 0.45 9 6 -0.03 0.67 0.41 0.04 0.52 1.07 0.45 Bridgestone Tour B XS 9364 58 8.8 0.52 5 8 0.18 0.89 -1.23 -0.26 1.37 0.91 0.31 Mizuno RB Tour X 9887 125 5.8 0.55 12 13 1.71 -0.15 -0.03 -0.39 -0.12 0.53 0.26 Srixon Zstar 9341 168 1.5 0.62 8 24 0.11 -0.81 1.70 -0.69 0.73 -0.32 0.12 Vice Pro 9147 104 5.8 0.59 7.6 10 -0.46 0.18 -0.03 -0.56 0.82 0.76 0.12 Bridgestone Tour B RX 8886 86 3.8 0.12 10.9 36 -1.23 0.46 0.78 1.46 0.11 -1.24 0.06 Snell MTB-X 9641 103 5.5 0.58 21.5 12 0.99 0.20 0.09 -0.52 -2.15 0.61 -0.13 Bridgestone Tour B RXS 8754 143 7.4 0.36 15.3 14 -1.62 -0.42 -0.67 0.42 -0.83 0.45 -0.44 Srixon Zstar XV 9421 138 7.5 0.47 9.5 54 0.34 -0.35 -0.71 -0.05 0.41 -2.63 -0.50 Mizuno RB Tour 9554 263 11.6 0.39 15 32 0.73 -2.28 -2.35 0.30 -0.76 -0.93 -0.88 Srixon Qstar Tour 8718 232 7.4 1.05 20 13 -1.72 -1.80 -0.67 -2.54 -1.83 0.53 -1.34 9304.4 115.6 5.7 0.5 11.4 19.9 340.1 64.6 2.5 0.2 4.7 13.0
Takeaways:
I just did an equal-weighting of the six factors here, which brings it to accuracy in 4/6 (carry STD, offline, offline STD, and shot area) and spin in 2/6 (spin and spin STD, though you could argue spin STD is more in the accuracy category. Regardless, the Vice Pro Plus graded out very well---but had one of the worst spin ratings. I should have probably weighted spin much higher as the accuracy numbers were so close together.
There were 4 balls that graded very well in the spin category without any severe negatives: ProV1, V1x, BStone Tour B, and Mizuno Tour X. The Mizuno Tour X had the highest spin but graded out slightly negative in aggregate of the rest of the accuracy categories. The three others all had near-identical spin numbers (the V1 was the most consistent spinner) and the highest overall grade aside from the Vice Pro Plus.
Questions:
Before I go into the final table (an aggregate of all three shots) I'd like to pose this question:
*How would you weight each category for each swing? Meaning, would you keep the wedges at a 6-category average? Or would you raise the spin weighting to, say, 50% and then you have 50% spin and 50% accuracy? With the driver, is distance way more important than accuracy? Should i have 75% distance and 25% accuracy? Or maybe only 25% distance? I'm not expecting the weightings to change the overall findings too much, but I'd be happy to run different numbers.
Final Table (fourth column is a 40/20/40 weighting, the last column is 33% each):
Ball Driver 7-Iron Wedge 40/20/40 33 Bridgestone Tour BX 1.06 0.37 0.31 0.62 0.58 Titelist Pro V1x 0.23 0.57 0.45 0.39 0.42 Snell MTB-X 1.10 -0.34 -0.13 0.32 0.21 Titelist Pro V1 0.04 -0.46 0.51 0.13 0.03 Srixon Zstar 0.02 0.21 0.12 0.10 0.12 Vice Pro -0.03 0.17 0.12 0.07 0.08 Snell MTB Black -0.04 -0.61 0.45 0.04 -0.07 Bridgestone Tour B RX 0.19 -0.55 0.06 -0.01 -0.10 Bridgestone Tour B XS -0.19 -0.75 0.50 -0.02 -0.15 Vice Pro Plus -0.80 -0.23 0.53 -0.15 -0.17 Bridgestone Tour B RXS -0.33 0.50 -0.44 -0.21 -0.09 Srixon Zstar XV -0.45 0.83 -0.50 -0.21 -0.04 Srixon Qstar Tour 0.82 -0.23 -1.34 -0.25 -0.25 Mizuno RB Tour X -1.38 0.36 0.26 -0.38 -0.25 Mizuno RB Tour -0.26 0.16 -0.88 -0.42 -0.33 So we went over some of the potential issues within each category but generally speaking, however you weight these, good driving balls will grade good and bad driving balls will grade poor. Lets not overcomplicate things too much...
Takeaways:
The Bridgestone Tour BX has 'won' the competition! Right? Well, maybe.
When the Snell guy comes out and says that all tour balls are good off the tee and we should be focusing on 100 yards and in, it's important to take note---especially considering Snell had the longest ball. When I miss-hit a drive, whether it's a V1x, a Bridgestone, a Snell or a tennis ball, it's missing 50 yards right. Period. So I put a lot more weighting into the non-driving stats.
Because I value the iron and wedge play more, if I had to only use this data to make a decision... I'd probably be sticking with the V1x. Throughout every category across all shots it only has two slight negative grades (nothing worse than a -.3). The Tour BX had the highest iron carry standard deviation---which means the distance on iron shots is the least consistent of any ball. This is a major issue. It also had a pretty strong negative grade in the 'offline' category which means not only is there distance variance but there's side to side variance culminating in a shot area grade of -1.6, the worst of any ball. That's a major red flag.
The other balls that will have me giving them a bit of consideration are polar opposites of each other: The Snell MTB-X and the Mizuno RB Tour X. One is the longest ball off the tee with negative iron and wedge grades (Snell). The other is a short ball off the tee with all kinds of inconsistencies (offline more than any ball but 2 with the least consistent launch angle and the least consistent spin numbers) but is a very accurate iron ball and is the highest-spinning wedge ball. I'm probably more interested in the Mizuno than the Snell but they both are intriguing.
Lastly, aside from the Bridgestone BX and the Pro V1x, the Srizon ZStar is the only ball to grade positively in all three categories. The issue is it grades worse than the V1x in pretty much every single way. It's slightly shorter and less consistent on the tee (though slightly more accurate), slightly shorter and a good bit less accurate as a 7-iron (with less spin), and although it does have a more consistent carry distance it spins way less and is offline way more in the wedge play.
In conclusion, my numbers backed up the MGS test pretty consistently. If I had to apply these balls to the grading scale MGS used it would look like this:
Excellent: Pro V1x - simply no faults. The only one that can say that.
Very good (would be excellent if not for one decent to significant sized fault): BStone Tour BX (7-iron accuracy is dead last), Srixson ZStar (7-iron accuracy is bad, wedge accuracy is below-average without plus spin)
Intriguing (Some major faults but so good in other areas, I'd consider giving them a shot): Mizuno RB Tour (The spiniest ball in both the 7-iron and wedge category by a wide margin, very accurate with the 7-iron ... but its significantly the worst driving ball (tied for second shortest carry (though a low launch angle helps but that's offset by more spin) and very poor accuracy grades in the driver category.
The ProV1 is also a quality ball but I know from prior testing I'm V1x >V1 so I didn't focus too much on the V1.
Hopefully a few people got thru this long-winded post and got something out of it. Is there anything else you guys would want me to take a look at regarding different weightings or adding any other balls?
Cheers!
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sgold7 got a reaction from downlowkey in MGS Golf Ball Test
I love data and I'm glad the MGS crew gave us all of theirs! I'm also a fan of trying to use the data to draw my own conclusions; when my conclusions are corroborated by the MGS crew it's better than me going into my spreadsheets with preconceived notions.
Biases:
I used the Pro Plus in the first half of '18 and V1x's in the second half. I'm a huge Tiger fan so I'm partial to the Bridgestone as well, though I do enjoy looking down at the clean cursive "Titleist" on the ball. I play Mizuno clubs and used a Mizuno baseball glove since high school and it's been 10 years with that glove still playing softball, so I do like their products.
Lastly, my game is steadily improving from never breaking 100 last year at this time to shooting sub-90s in the hardest course in the area now with a career low of 81. I smash the ball, over 115 MPH swing speed (improved from 116 to 121 thanks to the Super Speed sticks and documented my progress in that thread)--- but the problem is it doesn't go straight. I fight a major slice and use mostly 3W off the tee because I can still get it out there around 265+.
My ball flight is getting to be much more consistent (draw) and my touch around the green is improving. I love the way the V1x's feel off the putter and around the green. "They Say" you should start around the green and work back when testing balls, so I'm hesitant to switch from the V1x--- but I'm not doing my due diligence if I'm not running the numbers myself and testing a few others. So here's what I did:
I took all the balls I'd consider (tour balls from Bridgestone, Titleist, Snell, Srixon, & Vice) and found Z-Scores in each category I deemed important for each phase of the game. I then weighted each component that was tested and got a final Z-Score (real quick Z-Score primer: 0 is average. +1 is better than 66% of the comp. +2 is better than 95% of the comp. Minuses are inverse.). For the driver I weighted distance the most, dispersion the second most, etc. For the wedges I didn't weight distance at all, weighted shot area and offline pretty heavily--- though I did weigh the STDev of the distance (I don't care how far the wedges go, as long as they go the same distance every time).
I'd be more than happy to go as in depth on my weightings if you guys want to get into the minutia but I'll try and keep it a bit less granular for post one...
Driver:
(the final column on the right is 'Distance 50%, Offline 25%, and spin 25%'. I left launch out of the calculation because if something is long and straight I don't really care if it's high or low launch). Numbers at the bottom, top is average, bottom is STDEV.
Driver Carry Offline Launch Spin zCarry zOff zLAng zSpin Grade Snell MTB-X 289 8.6 12.3 2206 2.24 -0.66 0.27 0.57 1.09 Bridgestone Tour BX 286 3.4 12.4 2171 1.34 0.67 1.08 0.90 1.06 Srixon Qstar Tour 283 1.7 12.3 2129 0.44 1.11 0.27 1.29 0.82 Titelist Pro V1x 282 4 12.3 2254 0.14 0.52 0.27 0.13 0.23 Bridgestone Tour B RX 282 7.9 12.3 2163 0.14 -0.48 0.27 0.98 0.19 Titelist Pro V1 281 5.1 12.4 2240 -0.16 0.24 1.08 0.26 0.04 Srixon Zstar 281 3 12.2 2307 -0.16 0.78 -0.54 -0.37 0.02 Vice Pro 279 0.5 12.3 2270 -0.76 1.41 0.27 -0.02 -0.03 Snell MTB Black 280 5.4 12.3 2205 -0.46 0.16 0.27 0.58 -0.04 Bridgestone Tour B XS 282 6.4 12.1 2367 0.14 -0.09 -1.35 -0.93 -0.18 Mizuno RB Tour 285 11.2 12.1 2460 1.04 -1.32 -1.35 -1.80 -0.25 Bridgestone Tour B RXS 278 0.6 12.4 2331 -1.06 1.39 1.08 -0.59 -0.33 Srixon Zstar XV 281 12.5 12.4 2248 -0.16 -1.65 1.08 0.18 -0.44 Vice Pro Plus 276 9.1 12.2 2171 -1.66 -0.78 -0.54 0.90 -0.80 Mizuno RB Tour X 278 11.1 12 2492 -1.06 -1.30 -2.16 -2.09 -1.37 281.5 6.03 12.2 2267.6 3.33 3.91 0.12 107.1 Takeaways & Questions:
If you don't care about anything but distance, the Snell MTB-X is the no brainier, but that strong negative grade in zOff gives me hesitation (Offline pretty significantly more than the other top-tier driving balls). The BStone Tour BX and the QStar Tour would be the balls I'd play if I only did this analysis on driver. The Titleist and the other Bridgestone right behind were good to see. There seem to be 5-6 balls that are a clear notch or two above the rest---but as everyone and their mother says regarding fittings, focus on the wedges and irons.
7 Iron
7 Iron Carry Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Langle Spin Carry Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Langle Spin Srixon Zstar XV 195.7 0.81 2.49 3.02 31 16.7 5985 -0.33 1.86 2.08 -0.21 1.04 -0.71 0.52 0.83 Titelist Pro V1x 197.3 1.41 5.48 2.07 37 16.7 6022 0.24 1.15 -0.16 0.68 0.93 -0.71 0.60 0.57 Bridgestone Tour B RXS 203.4 2.65 4.37 1.41 47 17.5 4994 2.38 -0.32 0.67 1.29 0.74 1.62 -1.74 0.50 Bridgestone Tour B XS 193.8 3.07 4.49 0.81 31 16.6 6000 -0.99 -0.82 0.58 1.85 1.04 -1.00 0.55 0.37 Mizuno RB Tour X 193.8 1.69 5.76 2.21 47 16.7 6365 -0.99 0.82 -0.36 0.55 0.74 -0.71 1.39 0.36 Srixon Zstar 196 1.12 7.38 1.98 28 17 5634 -0.22 1.49 -1.58 0.76 1.10 0.17 -0.28 0.21 Vice Pro 196.9 2.06 5.76 2.13 55 17 5619 0.10 0.38 -0.36 0.62 0.59 0.17 -0.31 0.17 Mizuno RB Tour 192.5 2.25 5.45 2.28 65 16.5 6423 -1.45 0.15 -0.13 0.48 0.41 -1.29 1.52 0.16 Vice Pro Plus 196.9 2.65 6.14 2.67 89 17.1 5510 0.10 -0.32 -0.65 0.12 -0.04 0.46 -0.56 -0.23 Srixon Qstar Tour 199.7 2.79 2.55 4.18 147 17.6 5045 1.08 -0.49 2.03 -1.29 -1.12 1.92 -1.62 -0.23 Snell MTB-X 194 2.06 6.48 4.01 104 16.6 6134 -0.92 0.38 -0.90 -1.13 -0.32 -1.00 0.86 -0.34 Titelist Pro V1 196.3 3.25 6.16 3.34 137 16.85 5968 -0.11 -1.04 -0.66 -0.51 -0.93 -0.27 0.48 -0.46 Bridgestone Tour B RX 200.6 2.93 5.07 4.39 162 17.4 5188 1.40 -0.66 0.15 -1.49 -1.40 1.33 -1.30 -0.55 Snell MTB Black 196.1 3.27 5.69 3.64 150 17.1 5691 -0.19 -1.06 -0.31 -0.79 -1.18 0.46 -0.15 -0.61 Bridgestone Tour B X 196.4 3.65 5.81 3.79 173 16.8 5773 -0.08 -1.51 -0.40 -0.93 -1.60 -0.42 0.04 -0.75 196.63 2.38 5.27 2.80 86.87 16.94 5756.73 2.84 0.84 1.34 1.07 53.68 0.34 438.65 Takeaways:
I weighted six categories equally for the 7-iron test: Carry, Carry STDEV, Offline, Offline STD, Shot Area, Spin. So if you think about it, it's 2/6 distance, 3/6 accuracy, and 1/6 spin. Maybe I underrated spin a tad, and when re-adjusting it to make spin more important, nothing unexpected happened: The Mizuno balls jumped up to .57 and .44, the BStone Tour RXS dropped from .5 to .07.
Frankly, I wasn't totally sure what I'm 'looking for' with regards to a longish iron like this. For me, a 7-iron is 175 yards so there isn't really too much to conclude regarding this. Good to see the V1x grade well. The Bridgestone Tour B X with the lowest ranking grade is a surprise after it was the best non-Snell driving ball. The dispersion grades on the Tour BX were all very positive with the driver but very low with the 7-iron. But the overall dispersion offline with the driver was 3.4 yards and with the 7-iron it's only 3.79. So the dispersion is similar, its just that the average dispersion with the driver is way above 3.4 while the 7-iron dispersion average is below. Interesting none-the-less.
Wedges:
Wedges Spin Spin STD Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Spin Spn STD Cry STD Offline Off STD Area Vice Pro Plus 8993 77 4 0.07 9.3 11 -0.92 0.60 0.70 1.67 0.45 0.68 0.53 Titelist Pro V1 9519 44 4.5 0.29 8 28 0.63 1.11 0.49 0.73 0.73 -0.63 0.51 Bridgestone Tour B X 9523 58 4 0.3 12.1 17 0.64 0.89 0.70 0.68 -0.14 0.22 0.50 Titelist Pro V1x 9524 63 3.7 0.52 8.2 20 0.65 0.81 0.82 -0.26 0.69 -0.01 0.45 Snell MTB Black 9294 72 4.7 0.45 9 6 -0.03 0.67 0.41 0.04 0.52 1.07 0.45 Bridgestone Tour B XS 9364 58 8.8 0.52 5 8 0.18 0.89 -1.23 -0.26 1.37 0.91 0.31 Mizuno RB Tour X 9887 125 5.8 0.55 12 13 1.71 -0.15 -0.03 -0.39 -0.12 0.53 0.26 Srixon Zstar 9341 168 1.5 0.62 8 24 0.11 -0.81 1.70 -0.69 0.73 -0.32 0.12 Vice Pro 9147 104 5.8 0.59 7.6 10 -0.46 0.18 -0.03 -0.56 0.82 0.76 0.12 Bridgestone Tour B RX 8886 86 3.8 0.12 10.9 36 -1.23 0.46 0.78 1.46 0.11 -1.24 0.06 Snell MTB-X 9641 103 5.5 0.58 21.5 12 0.99 0.20 0.09 -0.52 -2.15 0.61 -0.13 Bridgestone Tour B RXS 8754 143 7.4 0.36 15.3 14 -1.62 -0.42 -0.67 0.42 -0.83 0.45 -0.44 Srixon Zstar XV 9421 138 7.5 0.47 9.5 54 0.34 -0.35 -0.71 -0.05 0.41 -2.63 -0.50 Mizuno RB Tour 9554 263 11.6 0.39 15 32 0.73 -2.28 -2.35 0.30 -0.76 -0.93 -0.88 Srixon Qstar Tour 8718 232 7.4 1.05 20 13 -1.72 -1.80 -0.67 -2.54 -1.83 0.53 -1.34 9304.4 115.6 5.7 0.5 11.4 19.9 340.1 64.6 2.5 0.2 4.7 13.0
Takeaways:
I just did an equal-weighting of the six factors here, which brings it to accuracy in 4/6 (carry STD, offline, offline STD, and shot area) and spin in 2/6 (spin and spin STD, though you could argue spin STD is more in the accuracy category. Regardless, the Vice Pro Plus graded out very well---but had one of the worst spin ratings. I should have probably weighted spin much higher as the accuracy numbers were so close together.
There were 4 balls that graded very well in the spin category without any severe negatives: ProV1, V1x, BStone Tour B, and Mizuno Tour X. The Mizuno Tour X had the highest spin but graded out slightly negative in aggregate of the rest of the accuracy categories. The three others all had near-identical spin numbers (the V1 was the most consistent spinner) and the highest overall grade aside from the Vice Pro Plus.
Questions:
Before I go into the final table (an aggregate of all three shots) I'd like to pose this question:
*How would you weight each category for each swing? Meaning, would you keep the wedges at a 6-category average? Or would you raise the spin weighting to, say, 50% and then you have 50% spin and 50% accuracy? With the driver, is distance way more important than accuracy? Should i have 75% distance and 25% accuracy? Or maybe only 25% distance? I'm not expecting the weightings to change the overall findings too much, but I'd be happy to run different numbers.
Final Table (fourth column is a 40/20/40 weighting, the last column is 33% each):
Ball Driver 7-Iron Wedge 40/20/40 33 Bridgestone Tour BX 1.06 0.37 0.31 0.62 0.58 Titelist Pro V1x 0.23 0.57 0.45 0.39 0.42 Snell MTB-X 1.10 -0.34 -0.13 0.32 0.21 Titelist Pro V1 0.04 -0.46 0.51 0.13 0.03 Srixon Zstar 0.02 0.21 0.12 0.10 0.12 Vice Pro -0.03 0.17 0.12 0.07 0.08 Snell MTB Black -0.04 -0.61 0.45 0.04 -0.07 Bridgestone Tour B RX 0.19 -0.55 0.06 -0.01 -0.10 Bridgestone Tour B XS -0.19 -0.75 0.50 -0.02 -0.15 Vice Pro Plus -0.80 -0.23 0.53 -0.15 -0.17 Bridgestone Tour B RXS -0.33 0.50 -0.44 -0.21 -0.09 Srixon Zstar XV -0.45 0.83 -0.50 -0.21 -0.04 Srixon Qstar Tour 0.82 -0.23 -1.34 -0.25 -0.25 Mizuno RB Tour X -1.38 0.36 0.26 -0.38 -0.25 Mizuno RB Tour -0.26 0.16 -0.88 -0.42 -0.33 So we went over some of the potential issues within each category but generally speaking, however you weight these, good driving balls will grade good and bad driving balls will grade poor. Lets not overcomplicate things too much...
Takeaways:
The Bridgestone Tour BX has 'won' the competition! Right? Well, maybe.
When the Snell guy comes out and says that all tour balls are good off the tee and we should be focusing on 100 yards and in, it's important to take note---especially considering Snell had the longest ball. When I miss-hit a drive, whether it's a V1x, a Bridgestone, a Snell or a tennis ball, it's missing 50 yards right. Period. So I put a lot more weighting into the non-driving stats.
Because I value the iron and wedge play more, if I had to only use this data to make a decision... I'd probably be sticking with the V1x. Throughout every category across all shots it only has two slight negative grades (nothing worse than a -.3). The Tour BX had the highest iron carry standard deviation---which means the distance on iron shots is the least consistent of any ball. This is a major issue. It also had a pretty strong negative grade in the 'offline' category which means not only is there distance variance but there's side to side variance culminating in a shot area grade of -1.6, the worst of any ball. That's a major red flag.
The other balls that will have me giving them a bit of consideration are polar opposites of each other: The Snell MTB-X and the Mizuno RB Tour X. One is the longest ball off the tee with negative iron and wedge grades (Snell). The other is a short ball off the tee with all kinds of inconsistencies (offline more than any ball but 2 with the least consistent launch angle and the least consistent spin numbers) but is a very accurate iron ball and is the highest-spinning wedge ball. I'm probably more interested in the Mizuno than the Snell but they both are intriguing.
Lastly, aside from the Bridgestone BX and the Pro V1x, the Srizon ZStar is the only ball to grade positively in all three categories. The issue is it grades worse than the V1x in pretty much every single way. It's slightly shorter and less consistent on the tee (though slightly more accurate), slightly shorter and a good bit less accurate as a 7-iron (with less spin), and although it does have a more consistent carry distance it spins way less and is offline way more in the wedge play.
In conclusion, my numbers backed up the MGS test pretty consistently. If I had to apply these balls to the grading scale MGS used it would look like this:
Excellent: Pro V1x - simply no faults. The only one that can say that.
Very good (would be excellent if not for one decent to significant sized fault): BStone Tour BX (7-iron accuracy is dead last), Srixson ZStar (7-iron accuracy is bad, wedge accuracy is below-average without plus spin)
Intriguing (Some major faults but so good in other areas, I'd consider giving them a shot): Mizuno RB Tour (The spiniest ball in both the 7-iron and wedge category by a wide margin, very accurate with the 7-iron ... but its significantly the worst driving ball (tied for second shortest carry (though a low launch angle helps but that's offset by more spin) and very poor accuracy grades in the driver category.
The ProV1 is also a quality ball but I know from prior testing I'm V1x >V1 so I didn't focus too much on the V1.
Hopefully a few people got thru this long-winded post and got something out of it. Is there anything else you guys would want me to take a look at regarding different weightings or adding any other balls?
Cheers!
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sgold7 got a reaction from sixcat in MGS Golf Ball Test
I love data and I'm glad the MGS crew gave us all of theirs! I'm also a fan of trying to use the data to draw my own conclusions; when my conclusions are corroborated by the MGS crew it's better than me going into my spreadsheets with preconceived notions.
Biases:
I used the Pro Plus in the first half of '18 and V1x's in the second half. I'm a huge Tiger fan so I'm partial to the Bridgestone as well, though I do enjoy looking down at the clean cursive "Titleist" on the ball. I play Mizuno clubs and used a Mizuno baseball glove since high school and it's been 10 years with that glove still playing softball, so I do like their products.
Lastly, my game is steadily improving from never breaking 100 last year at this time to shooting sub-90s in the hardest course in the area now with a career low of 81. I smash the ball, over 115 MPH swing speed (improved from 116 to 121 thanks to the Super Speed sticks and documented my progress in that thread)--- but the problem is it doesn't go straight. I fight a major slice and use mostly 3W off the tee because I can still get it out there around 265+.
My ball flight is getting to be much more consistent (draw) and my touch around the green is improving. I love the way the V1x's feel off the putter and around the green. "They Say" you should start around the green and work back when testing balls, so I'm hesitant to switch from the V1x--- but I'm not doing my due diligence if I'm not running the numbers myself and testing a few others. So here's what I did:
I took all the balls I'd consider (tour balls from Bridgestone, Titleist, Snell, Srixon, & Vice) and found Z-Scores in each category I deemed important for each phase of the game. I then weighted each component that was tested and got a final Z-Score (real quick Z-Score primer: 0 is average. +1 is better than 66% of the comp. +2 is better than 95% of the comp. Minuses are inverse.). For the driver I weighted distance the most, dispersion the second most, etc. For the wedges I didn't weight distance at all, weighted shot area and offline pretty heavily--- though I did weigh the STDev of the distance (I don't care how far the wedges go, as long as they go the same distance every time).
I'd be more than happy to go as in depth on my weightings if you guys want to get into the minutia but I'll try and keep it a bit less granular for post one...
Driver:
(the final column on the right is 'Distance 50%, Offline 25%, and spin 25%'. I left launch out of the calculation because if something is long and straight I don't really care if it's high or low launch). Numbers at the bottom, top is average, bottom is STDEV.
Driver Carry Offline Launch Spin zCarry zOff zLAng zSpin Grade Snell MTB-X 289 8.6 12.3 2206 2.24 -0.66 0.27 0.57 1.09 Bridgestone Tour BX 286 3.4 12.4 2171 1.34 0.67 1.08 0.90 1.06 Srixon Qstar Tour 283 1.7 12.3 2129 0.44 1.11 0.27 1.29 0.82 Titelist Pro V1x 282 4 12.3 2254 0.14 0.52 0.27 0.13 0.23 Bridgestone Tour B RX 282 7.9 12.3 2163 0.14 -0.48 0.27 0.98 0.19 Titelist Pro V1 281 5.1 12.4 2240 -0.16 0.24 1.08 0.26 0.04 Srixon Zstar 281 3 12.2 2307 -0.16 0.78 -0.54 -0.37 0.02 Vice Pro 279 0.5 12.3 2270 -0.76 1.41 0.27 -0.02 -0.03 Snell MTB Black 280 5.4 12.3 2205 -0.46 0.16 0.27 0.58 -0.04 Bridgestone Tour B XS 282 6.4 12.1 2367 0.14 -0.09 -1.35 -0.93 -0.18 Mizuno RB Tour 285 11.2 12.1 2460 1.04 -1.32 -1.35 -1.80 -0.25 Bridgestone Tour B RXS 278 0.6 12.4 2331 -1.06 1.39 1.08 -0.59 -0.33 Srixon Zstar XV 281 12.5 12.4 2248 -0.16 -1.65 1.08 0.18 -0.44 Vice Pro Plus 276 9.1 12.2 2171 -1.66 -0.78 -0.54 0.90 -0.80 Mizuno RB Tour X 278 11.1 12 2492 -1.06 -1.30 -2.16 -2.09 -1.37 281.5 6.03 12.2 2267.6 3.33 3.91 0.12 107.1 Takeaways & Questions:
If you don't care about anything but distance, the Snell MTB-X is the no brainier, but that strong negative grade in zOff gives me hesitation (Offline pretty significantly more than the other top-tier driving balls). The BStone Tour BX and the QStar Tour would be the balls I'd play if I only did this analysis on driver. The Titleist and the other Bridgestone right behind were good to see. There seem to be 5-6 balls that are a clear notch or two above the rest---but as everyone and their mother says regarding fittings, focus on the wedges and irons.
7 Iron
7 Iron Carry Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Langle Spin Carry Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Langle Spin Srixon Zstar XV 195.7 0.81 2.49 3.02 31 16.7 5985 -0.33 1.86 2.08 -0.21 1.04 -0.71 0.52 0.83 Titelist Pro V1x 197.3 1.41 5.48 2.07 37 16.7 6022 0.24 1.15 -0.16 0.68 0.93 -0.71 0.60 0.57 Bridgestone Tour B RXS 203.4 2.65 4.37 1.41 47 17.5 4994 2.38 -0.32 0.67 1.29 0.74 1.62 -1.74 0.50 Bridgestone Tour B XS 193.8 3.07 4.49 0.81 31 16.6 6000 -0.99 -0.82 0.58 1.85 1.04 -1.00 0.55 0.37 Mizuno RB Tour X 193.8 1.69 5.76 2.21 47 16.7 6365 -0.99 0.82 -0.36 0.55 0.74 -0.71 1.39 0.36 Srixon Zstar 196 1.12 7.38 1.98 28 17 5634 -0.22 1.49 -1.58 0.76 1.10 0.17 -0.28 0.21 Vice Pro 196.9 2.06 5.76 2.13 55 17 5619 0.10 0.38 -0.36 0.62 0.59 0.17 -0.31 0.17 Mizuno RB Tour 192.5 2.25 5.45 2.28 65 16.5 6423 -1.45 0.15 -0.13 0.48 0.41 -1.29 1.52 0.16 Vice Pro Plus 196.9 2.65 6.14 2.67 89 17.1 5510 0.10 -0.32 -0.65 0.12 -0.04 0.46 -0.56 -0.23 Srixon Qstar Tour 199.7 2.79 2.55 4.18 147 17.6 5045 1.08 -0.49 2.03 -1.29 -1.12 1.92 -1.62 -0.23 Snell MTB-X 194 2.06 6.48 4.01 104 16.6 6134 -0.92 0.38 -0.90 -1.13 -0.32 -1.00 0.86 -0.34 Titelist Pro V1 196.3 3.25 6.16 3.34 137 16.85 5968 -0.11 -1.04 -0.66 -0.51 -0.93 -0.27 0.48 -0.46 Bridgestone Tour B RX 200.6 2.93 5.07 4.39 162 17.4 5188 1.40 -0.66 0.15 -1.49 -1.40 1.33 -1.30 -0.55 Snell MTB Black 196.1 3.27 5.69 3.64 150 17.1 5691 -0.19 -1.06 -0.31 -0.79 -1.18 0.46 -0.15 -0.61 Bridgestone Tour B X 196.4 3.65 5.81 3.79 173 16.8 5773 -0.08 -1.51 -0.40 -0.93 -1.60 -0.42 0.04 -0.75 196.63 2.38 5.27 2.80 86.87 16.94 5756.73 2.84 0.84 1.34 1.07 53.68 0.34 438.65 Takeaways:
I weighted six categories equally for the 7-iron test: Carry, Carry STDEV, Offline, Offline STD, Shot Area, Spin. So if you think about it, it's 2/6 distance, 3/6 accuracy, and 1/6 spin. Maybe I underrated spin a tad, and when re-adjusting it to make spin more important, nothing unexpected happened: The Mizuno balls jumped up to .57 and .44, the BStone Tour RXS dropped from .5 to .07.
Frankly, I wasn't totally sure what I'm 'looking for' with regards to a longish iron like this. For me, a 7-iron is 175 yards so there isn't really too much to conclude regarding this. Good to see the V1x grade well. The Bridgestone Tour B X with the lowest ranking grade is a surprise after it was the best non-Snell driving ball. The dispersion grades on the Tour BX were all very positive with the driver but very low with the 7-iron. But the overall dispersion offline with the driver was 3.4 yards and with the 7-iron it's only 3.79. So the dispersion is similar, its just that the average dispersion with the driver is way above 3.4 while the 7-iron dispersion average is below. Interesting none-the-less.
Wedges:
Wedges Spin Spin STD Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Spin Spn STD Cry STD Offline Off STD Area Vice Pro Plus 8993 77 4 0.07 9.3 11 -0.92 0.60 0.70 1.67 0.45 0.68 0.53 Titelist Pro V1 9519 44 4.5 0.29 8 28 0.63 1.11 0.49 0.73 0.73 -0.63 0.51 Bridgestone Tour B X 9523 58 4 0.3 12.1 17 0.64 0.89 0.70 0.68 -0.14 0.22 0.50 Titelist Pro V1x 9524 63 3.7 0.52 8.2 20 0.65 0.81 0.82 -0.26 0.69 -0.01 0.45 Snell MTB Black 9294 72 4.7 0.45 9 6 -0.03 0.67 0.41 0.04 0.52 1.07 0.45 Bridgestone Tour B XS 9364 58 8.8 0.52 5 8 0.18 0.89 -1.23 -0.26 1.37 0.91 0.31 Mizuno RB Tour X 9887 125 5.8 0.55 12 13 1.71 -0.15 -0.03 -0.39 -0.12 0.53 0.26 Srixon Zstar 9341 168 1.5 0.62 8 24 0.11 -0.81 1.70 -0.69 0.73 -0.32 0.12 Vice Pro 9147 104 5.8 0.59 7.6 10 -0.46 0.18 -0.03 -0.56 0.82 0.76 0.12 Bridgestone Tour B RX 8886 86 3.8 0.12 10.9 36 -1.23 0.46 0.78 1.46 0.11 -1.24 0.06 Snell MTB-X 9641 103 5.5 0.58 21.5 12 0.99 0.20 0.09 -0.52 -2.15 0.61 -0.13 Bridgestone Tour B RXS 8754 143 7.4 0.36 15.3 14 -1.62 -0.42 -0.67 0.42 -0.83 0.45 -0.44 Srixon Zstar XV 9421 138 7.5 0.47 9.5 54 0.34 -0.35 -0.71 -0.05 0.41 -2.63 -0.50 Mizuno RB Tour 9554 263 11.6 0.39 15 32 0.73 -2.28 -2.35 0.30 -0.76 -0.93 -0.88 Srixon Qstar Tour 8718 232 7.4 1.05 20 13 -1.72 -1.80 -0.67 -2.54 -1.83 0.53 -1.34 9304.4 115.6 5.7 0.5 11.4 19.9 340.1 64.6 2.5 0.2 4.7 13.0
Takeaways:
I just did an equal-weighting of the six factors here, which brings it to accuracy in 4/6 (carry STD, offline, offline STD, and shot area) and spin in 2/6 (spin and spin STD, though you could argue spin STD is more in the accuracy category. Regardless, the Vice Pro Plus graded out very well---but had one of the worst spin ratings. I should have probably weighted spin much higher as the accuracy numbers were so close together.
There were 4 balls that graded very well in the spin category without any severe negatives: ProV1, V1x, BStone Tour B, and Mizuno Tour X. The Mizuno Tour X had the highest spin but graded out slightly negative in aggregate of the rest of the accuracy categories. The three others all had near-identical spin numbers (the V1 was the most consistent spinner) and the highest overall grade aside from the Vice Pro Plus.
Questions:
Before I go into the final table (an aggregate of all three shots) I'd like to pose this question:
*How would you weight each category for each swing? Meaning, would you keep the wedges at a 6-category average? Or would you raise the spin weighting to, say, 50% and then you have 50% spin and 50% accuracy? With the driver, is distance way more important than accuracy? Should i have 75% distance and 25% accuracy? Or maybe only 25% distance? I'm not expecting the weightings to change the overall findings too much, but I'd be happy to run different numbers.
Final Table (fourth column is a 40/20/40 weighting, the last column is 33% each):
Ball Driver 7-Iron Wedge 40/20/40 33 Bridgestone Tour BX 1.06 0.37 0.31 0.62 0.58 Titelist Pro V1x 0.23 0.57 0.45 0.39 0.42 Snell MTB-X 1.10 -0.34 -0.13 0.32 0.21 Titelist Pro V1 0.04 -0.46 0.51 0.13 0.03 Srixon Zstar 0.02 0.21 0.12 0.10 0.12 Vice Pro -0.03 0.17 0.12 0.07 0.08 Snell MTB Black -0.04 -0.61 0.45 0.04 -0.07 Bridgestone Tour B RX 0.19 -0.55 0.06 -0.01 -0.10 Bridgestone Tour B XS -0.19 -0.75 0.50 -0.02 -0.15 Vice Pro Plus -0.80 -0.23 0.53 -0.15 -0.17 Bridgestone Tour B RXS -0.33 0.50 -0.44 -0.21 -0.09 Srixon Zstar XV -0.45 0.83 -0.50 -0.21 -0.04 Srixon Qstar Tour 0.82 -0.23 -1.34 -0.25 -0.25 Mizuno RB Tour X -1.38 0.36 0.26 -0.38 -0.25 Mizuno RB Tour -0.26 0.16 -0.88 -0.42 -0.33 So we went over some of the potential issues within each category but generally speaking, however you weight these, good driving balls will grade good and bad driving balls will grade poor. Lets not overcomplicate things too much...
Takeaways:
The Bridgestone Tour BX has 'won' the competition! Right? Well, maybe.
When the Snell guy comes out and says that all tour balls are good off the tee and we should be focusing on 100 yards and in, it's important to take note---especially considering Snell had the longest ball. When I miss-hit a drive, whether it's a V1x, a Bridgestone, a Snell or a tennis ball, it's missing 50 yards right. Period. So I put a lot more weighting into the non-driving stats.
Because I value the iron and wedge play more, if I had to only use this data to make a decision... I'd probably be sticking with the V1x. Throughout every category across all shots it only has two slight negative grades (nothing worse than a -.3). The Tour BX had the highest iron carry standard deviation---which means the distance on iron shots is the least consistent of any ball. This is a major issue. It also had a pretty strong negative grade in the 'offline' category which means not only is there distance variance but there's side to side variance culminating in a shot area grade of -1.6, the worst of any ball. That's a major red flag.
The other balls that will have me giving them a bit of consideration are polar opposites of each other: The Snell MTB-X and the Mizuno RB Tour X. One is the longest ball off the tee with negative iron and wedge grades (Snell). The other is a short ball off the tee with all kinds of inconsistencies (offline more than any ball but 2 with the least consistent launch angle and the least consistent spin numbers) but is a very accurate iron ball and is the highest-spinning wedge ball. I'm probably more interested in the Mizuno than the Snell but they both are intriguing.
Lastly, aside from the Bridgestone BX and the Pro V1x, the Srizon ZStar is the only ball to grade positively in all three categories. The issue is it grades worse than the V1x in pretty much every single way. It's slightly shorter and less consistent on the tee (though slightly more accurate), slightly shorter and a good bit less accurate as a 7-iron (with less spin), and although it does have a more consistent carry distance it spins way less and is offline way more in the wedge play.
In conclusion, my numbers backed up the MGS test pretty consistently. If I had to apply these balls to the grading scale MGS used it would look like this:
Excellent: Pro V1x - simply no faults. The only one that can say that.
Very good (would be excellent if not for one decent to significant sized fault): BStone Tour BX (7-iron accuracy is dead last), Srixson ZStar (7-iron accuracy is bad, wedge accuracy is below-average without plus spin)
Intriguing (Some major faults but so good in other areas, I'd consider giving them a shot): Mizuno RB Tour (The spiniest ball in both the 7-iron and wedge category by a wide margin, very accurate with the 7-iron ... but its significantly the worst driving ball (tied for second shortest carry (though a low launch angle helps but that's offset by more spin) and very poor accuracy grades in the driver category.
The ProV1 is also a quality ball but I know from prior testing I'm V1x >V1 so I didn't focus too much on the V1.
Hopefully a few people got thru this long-winded post and got something out of it. Is there anything else you guys would want me to take a look at regarding different weightings or adding any other balls?
Cheers!
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sgold7 got a reaction from MattF in MGS Golf Ball Test
I love data and I'm glad the MGS crew gave us all of theirs! I'm also a fan of trying to use the data to draw my own conclusions; when my conclusions are corroborated by the MGS crew it's better than me going into my spreadsheets with preconceived notions.
Biases:
I used the Pro Plus in the first half of '18 and V1x's in the second half. I'm a huge Tiger fan so I'm partial to the Bridgestone as well, though I do enjoy looking down at the clean cursive "Titleist" on the ball. I play Mizuno clubs and used a Mizuno baseball glove since high school and it's been 10 years with that glove still playing softball, so I do like their products.
Lastly, my game is steadily improving from never breaking 100 last year at this time to shooting sub-90s in the hardest course in the area now with a career low of 81. I smash the ball, over 115 MPH swing speed (improved from 116 to 121 thanks to the Super Speed sticks and documented my progress in that thread)--- but the problem is it doesn't go straight. I fight a major slice and use mostly 3W off the tee because I can still get it out there around 265+.
My ball flight is getting to be much more consistent (draw) and my touch around the green is improving. I love the way the V1x's feel off the putter and around the green. "They Say" you should start around the green and work back when testing balls, so I'm hesitant to switch from the V1x--- but I'm not doing my due diligence if I'm not running the numbers myself and testing a few others. So here's what I did:
I took all the balls I'd consider (tour balls from Bridgestone, Titleist, Snell, Srixon, & Vice) and found Z-Scores in each category I deemed important for each phase of the game. I then weighted each component that was tested and got a final Z-Score (real quick Z-Score primer: 0 is average. +1 is better than 66% of the comp. +2 is better than 95% of the comp. Minuses are inverse.). For the driver I weighted distance the most, dispersion the second most, etc. For the wedges I didn't weight distance at all, weighted shot area and offline pretty heavily--- though I did weigh the STDev of the distance (I don't care how far the wedges go, as long as they go the same distance every time).
I'd be more than happy to go as in depth on my weightings if you guys want to get into the minutia but I'll try and keep it a bit less granular for post one...
Driver:
(the final column on the right is 'Distance 50%, Offline 25%, and spin 25%'. I left launch out of the calculation because if something is long and straight I don't really care if it's high or low launch). Numbers at the bottom, top is average, bottom is STDEV.
Driver Carry Offline Launch Spin zCarry zOff zLAng zSpin Grade Snell MTB-X 289 8.6 12.3 2206 2.24 -0.66 0.27 0.57 1.09 Bridgestone Tour BX 286 3.4 12.4 2171 1.34 0.67 1.08 0.90 1.06 Srixon Qstar Tour 283 1.7 12.3 2129 0.44 1.11 0.27 1.29 0.82 Titelist Pro V1x 282 4 12.3 2254 0.14 0.52 0.27 0.13 0.23 Bridgestone Tour B RX 282 7.9 12.3 2163 0.14 -0.48 0.27 0.98 0.19 Titelist Pro V1 281 5.1 12.4 2240 -0.16 0.24 1.08 0.26 0.04 Srixon Zstar 281 3 12.2 2307 -0.16 0.78 -0.54 -0.37 0.02 Vice Pro 279 0.5 12.3 2270 -0.76 1.41 0.27 -0.02 -0.03 Snell MTB Black 280 5.4 12.3 2205 -0.46 0.16 0.27 0.58 -0.04 Bridgestone Tour B XS 282 6.4 12.1 2367 0.14 -0.09 -1.35 -0.93 -0.18 Mizuno RB Tour 285 11.2 12.1 2460 1.04 -1.32 -1.35 -1.80 -0.25 Bridgestone Tour B RXS 278 0.6 12.4 2331 -1.06 1.39 1.08 -0.59 -0.33 Srixon Zstar XV 281 12.5 12.4 2248 -0.16 -1.65 1.08 0.18 -0.44 Vice Pro Plus 276 9.1 12.2 2171 -1.66 -0.78 -0.54 0.90 -0.80 Mizuno RB Tour X 278 11.1 12 2492 -1.06 -1.30 -2.16 -2.09 -1.37 281.5 6.03 12.2 2267.6 3.33 3.91 0.12 107.1 Takeaways & Questions:
If you don't care about anything but distance, the Snell MTB-X is the no brainier, but that strong negative grade in zOff gives me hesitation (Offline pretty significantly more than the other top-tier driving balls). The BStone Tour BX and the QStar Tour would be the balls I'd play if I only did this analysis on driver. The Titleist and the other Bridgestone right behind were good to see. There seem to be 5-6 balls that are a clear notch or two above the rest---but as everyone and their mother says regarding fittings, focus on the wedges and irons.
7 Iron
7 Iron Carry Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Langle Spin Carry Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Langle Spin Srixon Zstar XV 195.7 0.81 2.49 3.02 31 16.7 5985 -0.33 1.86 2.08 -0.21 1.04 -0.71 0.52 0.83 Titelist Pro V1x 197.3 1.41 5.48 2.07 37 16.7 6022 0.24 1.15 -0.16 0.68 0.93 -0.71 0.60 0.57 Bridgestone Tour B RXS 203.4 2.65 4.37 1.41 47 17.5 4994 2.38 -0.32 0.67 1.29 0.74 1.62 -1.74 0.50 Bridgestone Tour B XS 193.8 3.07 4.49 0.81 31 16.6 6000 -0.99 -0.82 0.58 1.85 1.04 -1.00 0.55 0.37 Mizuno RB Tour X 193.8 1.69 5.76 2.21 47 16.7 6365 -0.99 0.82 -0.36 0.55 0.74 -0.71 1.39 0.36 Srixon Zstar 196 1.12 7.38 1.98 28 17 5634 -0.22 1.49 -1.58 0.76 1.10 0.17 -0.28 0.21 Vice Pro 196.9 2.06 5.76 2.13 55 17 5619 0.10 0.38 -0.36 0.62 0.59 0.17 -0.31 0.17 Mizuno RB Tour 192.5 2.25 5.45 2.28 65 16.5 6423 -1.45 0.15 -0.13 0.48 0.41 -1.29 1.52 0.16 Vice Pro Plus 196.9 2.65 6.14 2.67 89 17.1 5510 0.10 -0.32 -0.65 0.12 -0.04 0.46 -0.56 -0.23 Srixon Qstar Tour 199.7 2.79 2.55 4.18 147 17.6 5045 1.08 -0.49 2.03 -1.29 -1.12 1.92 -1.62 -0.23 Snell MTB-X 194 2.06 6.48 4.01 104 16.6 6134 -0.92 0.38 -0.90 -1.13 -0.32 -1.00 0.86 -0.34 Titelist Pro V1 196.3 3.25 6.16 3.34 137 16.85 5968 -0.11 -1.04 -0.66 -0.51 -0.93 -0.27 0.48 -0.46 Bridgestone Tour B RX 200.6 2.93 5.07 4.39 162 17.4 5188 1.40 -0.66 0.15 -1.49 -1.40 1.33 -1.30 -0.55 Snell MTB Black 196.1 3.27 5.69 3.64 150 17.1 5691 -0.19 -1.06 -0.31 -0.79 -1.18 0.46 -0.15 -0.61 Bridgestone Tour B X 196.4 3.65 5.81 3.79 173 16.8 5773 -0.08 -1.51 -0.40 -0.93 -1.60 -0.42 0.04 -0.75 196.63 2.38 5.27 2.80 86.87 16.94 5756.73 2.84 0.84 1.34 1.07 53.68 0.34 438.65 Takeaways:
I weighted six categories equally for the 7-iron test: Carry, Carry STDEV, Offline, Offline STD, Shot Area, Spin. So if you think about it, it's 2/6 distance, 3/6 accuracy, and 1/6 spin. Maybe I underrated spin a tad, and when re-adjusting it to make spin more important, nothing unexpected happened: The Mizuno balls jumped up to .57 and .44, the BStone Tour RXS dropped from .5 to .07.
Frankly, I wasn't totally sure what I'm 'looking for' with regards to a longish iron like this. For me, a 7-iron is 175 yards so there isn't really too much to conclude regarding this. Good to see the V1x grade well. The Bridgestone Tour B X with the lowest ranking grade is a surprise after it was the best non-Snell driving ball. The dispersion grades on the Tour BX were all very positive with the driver but very low with the 7-iron. But the overall dispersion offline with the driver was 3.4 yards and with the 7-iron it's only 3.79. So the dispersion is similar, its just that the average dispersion with the driver is way above 3.4 while the 7-iron dispersion average is below. Interesting none-the-less.
Wedges:
Wedges Spin Spin STD Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Spin Spn STD Cry STD Offline Off STD Area Vice Pro Plus 8993 77 4 0.07 9.3 11 -0.92 0.60 0.70 1.67 0.45 0.68 0.53 Titelist Pro V1 9519 44 4.5 0.29 8 28 0.63 1.11 0.49 0.73 0.73 -0.63 0.51 Bridgestone Tour B X 9523 58 4 0.3 12.1 17 0.64 0.89 0.70 0.68 -0.14 0.22 0.50 Titelist Pro V1x 9524 63 3.7 0.52 8.2 20 0.65 0.81 0.82 -0.26 0.69 -0.01 0.45 Snell MTB Black 9294 72 4.7 0.45 9 6 -0.03 0.67 0.41 0.04 0.52 1.07 0.45 Bridgestone Tour B XS 9364 58 8.8 0.52 5 8 0.18 0.89 -1.23 -0.26 1.37 0.91 0.31 Mizuno RB Tour X 9887 125 5.8 0.55 12 13 1.71 -0.15 -0.03 -0.39 -0.12 0.53 0.26 Srixon Zstar 9341 168 1.5 0.62 8 24 0.11 -0.81 1.70 -0.69 0.73 -0.32 0.12 Vice Pro 9147 104 5.8 0.59 7.6 10 -0.46 0.18 -0.03 -0.56 0.82 0.76 0.12 Bridgestone Tour B RX 8886 86 3.8 0.12 10.9 36 -1.23 0.46 0.78 1.46 0.11 -1.24 0.06 Snell MTB-X 9641 103 5.5 0.58 21.5 12 0.99 0.20 0.09 -0.52 -2.15 0.61 -0.13 Bridgestone Tour B RXS 8754 143 7.4 0.36 15.3 14 -1.62 -0.42 -0.67 0.42 -0.83 0.45 -0.44 Srixon Zstar XV 9421 138 7.5 0.47 9.5 54 0.34 -0.35 -0.71 -0.05 0.41 -2.63 -0.50 Mizuno RB Tour 9554 263 11.6 0.39 15 32 0.73 -2.28 -2.35 0.30 -0.76 -0.93 -0.88 Srixon Qstar Tour 8718 232 7.4 1.05 20 13 -1.72 -1.80 -0.67 -2.54 -1.83 0.53 -1.34 9304.4 115.6 5.7 0.5 11.4 19.9 340.1 64.6 2.5 0.2 4.7 13.0
Takeaways:
I just did an equal-weighting of the six factors here, which brings it to accuracy in 4/6 (carry STD, offline, offline STD, and shot area) and spin in 2/6 (spin and spin STD, though you could argue spin STD is more in the accuracy category. Regardless, the Vice Pro Plus graded out very well---but had one of the worst spin ratings. I should have probably weighted spin much higher as the accuracy numbers were so close together.
There were 4 balls that graded very well in the spin category without any severe negatives: ProV1, V1x, BStone Tour B, and Mizuno Tour X. The Mizuno Tour X had the highest spin but graded out slightly negative in aggregate of the rest of the accuracy categories. The three others all had near-identical spin numbers (the V1 was the most consistent spinner) and the highest overall grade aside from the Vice Pro Plus.
Questions:
Before I go into the final table (an aggregate of all three shots) I'd like to pose this question:
*How would you weight each category for each swing? Meaning, would you keep the wedges at a 6-category average? Or would you raise the spin weighting to, say, 50% and then you have 50% spin and 50% accuracy? With the driver, is distance way more important than accuracy? Should i have 75% distance and 25% accuracy? Or maybe only 25% distance? I'm not expecting the weightings to change the overall findings too much, but I'd be happy to run different numbers.
Final Table (fourth column is a 40/20/40 weighting, the last column is 33% each):
Ball Driver 7-Iron Wedge 40/20/40 33 Bridgestone Tour BX 1.06 0.37 0.31 0.62 0.58 Titelist Pro V1x 0.23 0.57 0.45 0.39 0.42 Snell MTB-X 1.10 -0.34 -0.13 0.32 0.21 Titelist Pro V1 0.04 -0.46 0.51 0.13 0.03 Srixon Zstar 0.02 0.21 0.12 0.10 0.12 Vice Pro -0.03 0.17 0.12 0.07 0.08 Snell MTB Black -0.04 -0.61 0.45 0.04 -0.07 Bridgestone Tour B RX 0.19 -0.55 0.06 -0.01 -0.10 Bridgestone Tour B XS -0.19 -0.75 0.50 -0.02 -0.15 Vice Pro Plus -0.80 -0.23 0.53 -0.15 -0.17 Bridgestone Tour B RXS -0.33 0.50 -0.44 -0.21 -0.09 Srixon Zstar XV -0.45 0.83 -0.50 -0.21 -0.04 Srixon Qstar Tour 0.82 -0.23 -1.34 -0.25 -0.25 Mizuno RB Tour X -1.38 0.36 0.26 -0.38 -0.25 Mizuno RB Tour -0.26 0.16 -0.88 -0.42 -0.33 So we went over some of the potential issues within each category but generally speaking, however you weight these, good driving balls will grade good and bad driving balls will grade poor. Lets not overcomplicate things too much...
Takeaways:
The Bridgestone Tour BX has 'won' the competition! Right? Well, maybe.
When the Snell guy comes out and says that all tour balls are good off the tee and we should be focusing on 100 yards and in, it's important to take note---especially considering Snell had the longest ball. When I miss-hit a drive, whether it's a V1x, a Bridgestone, a Snell or a tennis ball, it's missing 50 yards right. Period. So I put a lot more weighting into the non-driving stats.
Because I value the iron and wedge play more, if I had to only use this data to make a decision... I'd probably be sticking with the V1x. Throughout every category across all shots it only has two slight negative grades (nothing worse than a -.3). The Tour BX had the highest iron carry standard deviation---which means the distance on iron shots is the least consistent of any ball. This is a major issue. It also had a pretty strong negative grade in the 'offline' category which means not only is there distance variance but there's side to side variance culminating in a shot area grade of -1.6, the worst of any ball. That's a major red flag.
The other balls that will have me giving them a bit of consideration are polar opposites of each other: The Snell MTB-X and the Mizuno RB Tour X. One is the longest ball off the tee with negative iron and wedge grades (Snell). The other is a short ball off the tee with all kinds of inconsistencies (offline more than any ball but 2 with the least consistent launch angle and the least consistent spin numbers) but is a very accurate iron ball and is the highest-spinning wedge ball. I'm probably more interested in the Mizuno than the Snell but they both are intriguing.
Lastly, aside from the Bridgestone BX and the Pro V1x, the Srizon ZStar is the only ball to grade positively in all three categories. The issue is it grades worse than the V1x in pretty much every single way. It's slightly shorter and less consistent on the tee (though slightly more accurate), slightly shorter and a good bit less accurate as a 7-iron (with less spin), and although it does have a more consistent carry distance it spins way less and is offline way more in the wedge play.
In conclusion, my numbers backed up the MGS test pretty consistently. If I had to apply these balls to the grading scale MGS used it would look like this:
Excellent: Pro V1x - simply no faults. The only one that can say that.
Very good (would be excellent if not for one decent to significant sized fault): BStone Tour BX (7-iron accuracy is dead last), Srixson ZStar (7-iron accuracy is bad, wedge accuracy is below-average without plus spin)
Intriguing (Some major faults but so good in other areas, I'd consider giving them a shot): Mizuno RB Tour (The spiniest ball in both the 7-iron and wedge category by a wide margin, very accurate with the 7-iron ... but its significantly the worst driving ball (tied for second shortest carry (though a low launch angle helps but that's offset by more spin) and very poor accuracy grades in the driver category.
The ProV1 is also a quality ball but I know from prior testing I'm V1x >V1 so I didn't focus too much on the V1.
Hopefully a few people got thru this long-winded post and got something out of it. Is there anything else you guys would want me to take a look at regarding different weightings or adding any other balls?
Cheers!