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I hear you can pay for the purchase of both sets by selling one of themWhy purchase 2 sets?
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Try it with the Align feature
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Ping has a new tele- fitting program using Zoom for FREESo many options and sure many will chime in here with great advice. My recommendation based on your write up would be a fitted set of Ping I210's. The fitting part definitely can assist you, educate you regarding shaft specs for your swing. The fitting also can help identify the distance gaps between clubs you require. Of course you will know by feel and looks what you would like, let the testing and fitting get them dialed in. Good luck. Oh and btw you can buy used and still get yourself a fitting (ideal length) and have clubs tweaked (loft/lie angles) as needed.
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I210s or AP2 718 (T100 is also hot right now) the theme is forgiveness in a smaller package.I currently game an old set of Titleist DCI 762 irons and am desperately looking to upgrade. I don’t need the absolute newest irons, but at least want a set made somewhat recently (at least in the last decade). I‘ve played off and on for a couple of years, but I’ve really been consistently playing a round or two every week since May. I am about a 12 handicap/usually shoot in the mid to high 80s. My current set is shafted with DG S300. I am looking for with my next irons to offer more distance and forgiveness like a GI iron, but maintains the look of a players' iron. Since my clubs are so dated, the lofts are very weak compared to my buddies I play with, and my irons punish me for slight mishits.
In terms of my iron play, I strike my PW up to my 7 iron fairly consistently and with my shot being medium/high with a slight draw. My misses tend to be when I get a little fast on my downswing and I either keep my face open and slice, or I tend to overcompensate my slice and hook my next iron shot before finding my rhythm again. I carry my 7 iron (34º) about 155-160 and my PW (46º) carries about 115. If I can get within the 155-160 range, I have confidence that I am only a shot and at worst 2 putts from finishing the hole. I hit my long okay, but I have bad habit of trying to swing too hard and slicing them. I also end up fatting a lot of my longer irons, but since taking lessons, I have started to correct these mistakes. I have gained confidence with my longer irons to hit a couple of good shots a round with them, but I still mishit my 3–6 more than I would like.
I have been looking at new and older models of Callaway Apex, Mizuno JPX forged, JPX hot metal, Mizuno MMC, Taylormade P790, Titleist T100S or T200, Sub70 699, and Wilson D7 forged. I've also done the PING nFlight fitting and was recommended i210s or i200s, and I have also heard good things about Srixon's line of irons. I have been able to find sets for all of those listed and others at comparable prices, so in terms of just the irons alone, which of those—or other models not mentioned—are the most highly recommended? I am planning on going to demo some of these clubs so I can narrow my field of what I like or don't like, but I am just looking for recommendations from anyone that has or has had some of these irons.
I am also curious about shaft choice. I am not as researched on shafts and different specifications among them. My current set and my dad's set of Mizuno T-Zoids I used to borrow both have the DG S300 shafts, so those are all I really know. I know I need to do more research and probably need to get fitted, but I have read that different clubs work better or worse with different shafts. Any and all recommendations are welcome.
Thanks for all the help!
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I agree with the others that you should get fit. However, there are some brands that produce really good gapping, like Ping. And it's trending for companies to also provide a retro loft which might suit your needs.
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OK, so, my irons are PING g-700 with graphite CB shafts, 1/2" over, swing weight identical to my G-25's with steel shafts, here is my dilemma.
My G-700's feel lighter than my G-25's when I swing them, would adding lead tape to them change the flex?
If I change to heavier shafts, would that change the swing weight?
Would a heavier shaft have a different kick point?
The CB will make the head feel lighter even if the weight is identical statically. You can add tape to the head but the overall weight will go up and it's a bit trial and error. From what I can remember, flex can be made stiffer by cutting the shaft down, and vice versa. Your shaft weight can help you get to a certain swing weight. But how a shaft is designed on an EI profile determines how it reacts. How you transition and how you load the shaft matters too. Getting fit is the sure way to match you to a shaft because there are so many options and considerations.
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Thanks for the tip! It seems like the OEMs are comfortable not risking the value of their offerings by facilitating a pre-owned program - except for Callaway.. I did see that Ping provides authentication for online retailers.
Does that protect against buying counterfeit clubs 100% of the time???
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Just finished listening to the latest podcast on whether you should purchase used golf equipment. There were a lot of analogies to purchasing a car used. I wonder if the oems consider or do they already use a pre-owned sales model?
I golfer would have the ability to trade in a previous generation model driver, in this instance, in exchange for a discount on the latest model or for the ability to purchase some next new product at an earlier release date.
The manufacturer would then be able to verify if the club is authentic prior to bestowing any compensation to the seller and then be able to sell a manufacturer-guaranteed authentic club.
Not sure what effect this would have on online retailers that buy up used or older equipment. Does anyone know if oem's rely on that segment for revenue?
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I think golf could use a product that makes the practice more interactive and fun. I mean who wouldn't want to see a tracer of their range shots? But there is an opportunity for adding a training piece (maybe YouTube videos) that explains how decent angle helps you hold more greens or how an optimal peak height on a drive can lead to more distance (or how low to keep a tee shot in the wind).
Does the "average" golfer really NEED a launch monitor? Or just wants one?
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Can you imagine your average golfer using a personal launch monitor to fit themselves into the right ball using a net? They could then use that ball to get their numbers right from the comfort of their own home.The average golfer is still hitting s***** range balls, so the quality of launch monitor really doesn’t matter
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I'd love to find a bunch of friends willing to split the price of a GC Quad (fantasy). It's hard to justify if you're not going to make money from it. I love knowing all the numbers.I think it will all depend on how expensive the cameras or Doppler tech are/become. Not sure if TM/Foresight are manufacturing their parts or buying them but I'm willing to bet that's the majority of the cost. Then, on top of that they're overcharging for their software licenses.
Over the stay at home orders in April, I know a few people who got in a group buy for quads with a net and mat for $10k. Not sure what software it included and if that was for the 4-camera version (the one that includes club tracking) but that's a pretty decent price if it wasn't a watered down version.
But the podcast discussed that the launch monitor guys are at the mercy of the Doppler people who might not have too much incentive to make the tech smaller.
The price for renting a bay with a Trackman here in Raleigh is $44/hr. Not bad for seeing your yardage gaps if you're efficient cycling through your bag. A fitting would require more time and knowledge of available equipment, so I might shell out the $100 to work with my fitter and know that I'm getting the right thing. So, getting a hold of a quality launch monitor is relatively easy. Unfortunately, that might not be the case elsewhere.
I'm not much for buying something cheaper that is only close to accurate, thereby classifying it as relatively inaccurate. If I'm buying it, I want the number not something close.
To reiterate the OP, I think the Flightscopes and Trackmans do have an incentive to bring a product to market at a reasonable price ($500) that only relays basic information about ball flight (yardage, peak height, yards off-line) so as not to be a direct competitor to their own enterprise models. The key being that the basic information is as accurate as their enterprise models.
Giving yardage and peak height helps the golfer know more about their yardage gaps and gives them a way to track wayward tee shots on the course. A golfer could also use peak height to extrapolate if they are hitting it high enough to hold a green (the preferred number would be decent angle) or even their driver launch angle/spin numbers based on peak height and if the ball looked like it spun up to that height and the resultant carry distance. If they want or need to know the real number (2.9k vs. 2.4k ball spin off a driver), well then that's when they go to a fitter who will have a GC Quad or Trackman.
I agree with Adam and Harry that the launch monitor in player bags at your local course will be trending in the future. But I'm proposing a solution to get the Enterprise companies involved without cannibalizing their exceptional products.
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Just no. On the course is not the place to be breaking out a launch monitor. Pace of play is already an issue.
Yes, pulling out a Trackman would slow things down. But assuming a smaller, compact launch monitor (Mevo size) that you can set up at the tee box and relays each person's tee shot regarding how far off line and how long it went down the fairway prior to curving away would make it easier to find the ball.
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During my last round the clubs I used least were a 7 iron and 4wood. However, when I did they were a par 3 with the 7 iron and a tee shot to stay short of a bunker with the 4wood. I would agree and say take out clubs you won't hit - I don't carry a 3 iron, but overall if there is a yardage gap you can reach easier with a easy 5 iron instead of a step on the gas 6 iron, you probably should carry a 5 iron in that example. Taking advantage of a gapping session with a fitter may shed more light. Nice thought exercise OP
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14 is the limit and there is no minimum. You could play the course with a 3 iron if you wanted. I prefer having a club for every gap and wedge versatility in grinds/loft. The only concern is are you not going to have the option to play a certain shot if you don't have the club you need. If you're shooting 59s with your current set up, then it doesn't matter how many clubs are in your bag.
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It goes back to how much you would pay for something that's just close in accuracy. It's like having yard sticks of different lengths that still claim they're a yard - you'd want the most accurate for measuring if you want the actual numbers of the club head and ball. I think, referring to the OP, giving a read out of what the ball did (yardage, yardage offline, peak height) would be non-threatening enough for a Trackman or Foresight to want to develop since they are arguably the leaders. The information would also have usefulness on the range and course so as not to be a novelty.I had this same discussion with my brother-in-law a few weeks ago. With SkyTrak hardware being like five years old at this point, there certainly seems like a market for a $1k or less photometric device for those of us with limited space. I'd be all over that.
I don't think I would go to a range anymore if I didn't have my Mevo. Sure, range balls are not 100 percent comparable to real balls, but you can extrapolate a bit and find a reasonable average. Also, love the video clipping feature.
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By the time they advance to there being multiple ultra portable launch monitors, the big OEMs will develop some advantage in the presentation (augmented reality or live virtual fitting) or even better accuracy. Drawing comparisons back to the podcast and the computer analogy. It's not like all the big companies folded as new competitors came into the market, they either flourished more (Apple), just became more specialized (HP - 3D printing?) or occupy a space that fits their model (Microsoft). These guys are still trying to get better and they have the advantage of already having brought a product to market, aside from having an already developed brand.If they bundled it with good software for a range and simulator play, I might be interested. Then again, I'm the not-so-proud owner of an Optishot, so what do I know?
Have any of you played around with apps like B-FIT or ShotVision? I'm wondering when we'll have launch monitor apps that are at least SkyTrak quality.
I agree with Tony, the big guys in this business have no interest in cannibalizing the $20K per unit business that they're in right now with a $500 unit that does 98% of what the more expensive unit does. However, someone not currently in the high-end LM business is going to crack this nut at some point and develop that $500 model. If the big guys are smart, they're working on this as well and will have something they can launch beforehand. Because that $500 unit that has 98% of the functionality will likely kill the market for the $20K LM.
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Mark me down for GC Quad but I'd actually pay for an affordable launch monitor that provides accurate ball flight info over a watered down GC Quad or Trackman-like productDefine average golfer? In my opinion if you are on MGS (or any golf forum) you are not and average golfer. And yes, I would love to have a launch montor. I love the information that is presented on the GC Quad and would be happy to own a Skytrak.
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If they can get the right balance of portable size and price point, it would be good for gapping your clubs, dialing your distances on the range, or seeing if those swing changes are making a difference. On the course, it would be helpful in knowing where your wayward tee shot ended up.Could be a good took for the range. I don't know too many people that are really in the market for a personal launch monitor, but I think if ranges rented them out it would get some traction. Knowing your distances and checking them periodically makes sense, but does the average golfer need own a launch monitor?
Basically, it's a suggestion to what they proposed on the podcast for a cheaper stepped down version of a launch monitor that could be developed by a Trackman or a Foresight to market to the average golfer.
But I agree that the average golfer would not be interested in a GC Quad (present company excluded) ;)
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Hey Spies,
Just finished the No Putts Given episode on personal launch monitors and I think that the Trackmans and the Flightscope companies should make a personal launch monitor that gives data similar to Shot Tracer. Akin to catering to the people who don't care how the sausage is made, this monitor won't spit out Ball speed, Spin Rates, AoA, etc. but maybe focus on the information about the ball flight:
- Yardage
- Yards Offline Left or Right from the "Target Line" (in relation to the position of the monitor which is assumed to be some 10 feet behind the ball)
- Peak Height?
- Maybe also have a camera so that it makes a shot tracer video?
The selling point would be to give golfers an idea to where their ball ended up (helping pace of play), shot tracer video they can share, and just enough data for those using it as a DIY fitting tool. Obviously getting professionally fitted with a GC Quad or Trackman would give you more data, but that's when you buy the flagship product (therefore, even if these companies were to develop this product it wouldn't undercut their top of the line product).
What do you all think? Is this something worth developing? Would you buy it? Does it fit in the market and satisfy the requirement of not threatening sales of the fully spec'd launch monitors?
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