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  1. These look great (for non-matteheads at least) and I am sure they are incrementally better than TSi, but for the first time in, well, since I got into golf, I can say that I am not tempted to even test other drivers or fairway woods at the moment. It should be satisfying but is oddly sad since trying new gear is part of the fun. Oh well, currently focusing my near term spending overanalyzing on the hybrid/DI section of the bag.
  2. I came here when I was just starting to learn about the idea of not simply buying used clubs on ebay without fitting or even verifying any specs; while it was too late for a mulligan on my Ping iE1s that were 3 degrees too upright, half an inch too short and ~5 points light on the swing weight scale despite being billed as standard length and lie , I learned so much on here that has only deepened my golf addiction over the years. Posters here are nice, helpful, and generous with their time which is truly an outlier when it comes to online forums. I will still be a regular lurker and sometime poster in the forum regardless of testing opportunities in the future. That said, it is completely baffling to see HQ focus only on sponsors after bashing other websites for doing the same thing. That hypocrisy combined with what seems like an antagonistic attitude towards "big OEM" and click-bait social media has been a major turn off for me, and as a result I do not visit the HQ website anymore, unfollowed MGS on all social platforms, and absent the ability to direct future donations to the forum only, will no longer be making an annual donation to MGS. While I think it is extremely cool to see emerging brands like Sub70 and others find their groove with the help of forums like MGS, and the stated goal of helping golfers make objectively better purchasing decisions given ability & budget is very admirable, the fact is that most golfers are still more interested in what the big OEMs come out with that they see on TV every week; it only takes a cursory look through historical tests to see that the big OEM tests that happen right around a product's release drive engagement that is exponentially higher and stickier than gadgets or single club tests from DTC/emerging brands. The big one that came up when I was still pretty new here was the Ping i210/i500 test and I came back to that thread every day for months to see what members (from official testers, inquisitive would-be buyers, and knowledgeable regulars) were saying about those new and exciting product lines; it is probably the single thread that contributed the most to my golf equipment education over the years and I can honestly say that I would not have engaged with the forum nearly as much since then if it had never come about. I'm glad to hear that the mods are pushing HQ on this front and really appreciate all that you all do on a daily basis; I can only hope that continued feedback eventually moves the needle.
  3. Just read through this whole thread and I share the sentiments and frustrations of most everyone here, with 99% of my ire directed at HQ not the forum. As for forum-specific feedback I think I am probably the 10th person to "second" @jlukes organizational suggestions, so that seems like a natural focus area to the extent feasible for the mods. The only thing I would add is on testing threads specifically, it would be nice to be able to filter for a certain tester's posts - both their review stages and their ongoing thread posts with new updates and responses to questions which in my experience are just as informative as the review itself. I have always found that there are 1-2 testers that I gravitate to throughout a review period, either because they are similar to my game or I recognize and trust their thoughtful posts/feedback. I know I can "follow" certain users but in my experience that doesn't allow me to focus my reading on the one area I am looking for information on, and for new members looking to learn about a new product that is being tested it could help them arrive at their desired content much more quickly and make them more likely to keep coming back. For example, I was lucky enough to be a tester for the TSi driver a couple of years ago and we had 40-something pages on that thread. Other threads over the years instantly come to mind like the i210/i500 review, the t100 review, and the various CCC threads. If the intro to the topic had a simple table with high level information on each tester (Handicap & Driver SS) and then a link to filter for just each tester's posts in the thread you could save readers a TON of time in finding the information they might be looking for.
  4. I finally went with the Costanza approach and did the opposite of what my instinct said to do. Here comes a W! #summerofgeorge
  5. I don't necessarily blame a lot of those guys for opting for generational wealth without having to put in any extra work, but I am happy that they were kicked off the tour Doug. Hope LIV fails hard.
  6. I believe on the P770s there is a "Tungsten" written on the back of the club head up through the 7i and then it is not on 8-AW. Interesting that you didn't notice a difference in feel - that is a good sign! Part of why I did MCs in 8-P was launch angle. I was launching the 770s a bit on the high side (not crazy or unplayable, but higher than ideal) even though the shaft was a perfect fit otherwise, and the MC brought it down into the right window. The fitter actually suggested I break the combo to include the 7i in MC from a launch perspective (and on the simulator I tend to look much more like a 4 handicap than my actual 8 ), but being "prudent" as you say, I wanted the extra forgiveness in that one since it does have the tungsten helping, and can live with the occasional shot that goes a bit too high into a wind when I am getting more forgiveness on the vast majority of shots. I reckon the difference in forgiveness between 770 and MC in 8i and up (down?) is still noticeable due to size & construction differences, but a lot less than the difference in the longer clubs that have up to 46g of tungsten. Obviously every iron decision has trade offs, but for me, in my scoring clubs the launch and feel won out.
  7. Do you notice much of a difference in feel between the 7i and the 8i where they remove the tungsten and the "power slot" or whatever that is called? I go from 770 7i to P7MC 8i so I couldn't say, but do notice a real difference between my 7 & 8 so was curious.
  8. Wow so cool! Every time I come in 350th+ and I tell myself that next time I will just pick at random and do better, and every next time when I have the chance, I dig into research for 5-10 mins and convince myself that my lineup is THE lineup. Rinse and repeat lol.
  9. Funny how that happens. My Cobras were protesting big time but I didn’t want to hear it and they have been stuffed unceremoniously into the travel bag in the garage ever since the new ones came!
  10. My experience seems pretty similar to yours between agonizing over every detail of every offering and trying/fitting multiple times before settling on a P7 combo. I went 790 4i, 770 5-7i, MC 8-P with 4 degree gaps from 22-38, 42.5* 9i, 47* PW, and $ taper 120s. I am six rounds in and loving them so far…as you said there are a ton of great options available these days but I think you will be very happy with your new sticks! Curious to follow along
  11. Saw the info on Cobras website… looks like the X model is similar to the older versions but with slightly stronger lofts. The FT carries the same lofts as prior iterations but with a bit less offset and smaller topline…the topline almost looks smaller than the MIM Tour in the pics. I think the two models should stand well independently but also blend easily; they should now appeal to a wider audience, similar to P790/P770, seems like a great approach. I would also bet that if they do bring the MIM Tour back it ends up being a bit smaller to provide a bit more differentiation vs the FT.
  12. Right, I couldn't agree more...but Haywood & Fourteen ranked ahead of T100 and others in the forgiveness ratings within this article, which had my eyebrows raised because I would think that the multi material offerings would provide greater forgiveness than solid one piece CBs unless the CBs are much larger.
  13. I know that there are fewer variables when you get to players irons, but today's players irons are still decidedly not blades. Shouldn't physics also dictate that tungsten impacts launch/forgiveness on off-center strikes? I know that the results are the results & I don't question the accuracy of the specific tests, and I think most here understand that every iron will perform differently for every golfer etc... but all else equal, I have a hard time with the claim of more forgiveness in a DTC players offering (I believe these all have zero tungsten right?) vs. say the Apex Pro, 223, or T100 with tungsten packed in at the top end of the set. Are the DTC clubs generally larger which leads to a larger sweet spot and equivalent/better forgiveness than smaller tungsten-packed offerings (I know the T100 is particularly small and thin-soled so could understand that argument to an extent), or is the concept of tungsten just overblown despite major industry investment in that material over the past decade?
  14. Do you like golf trips but dread having to be the guy to plan everything? Or do you lack a little bit of faith that your buddy who can barely respond coherently to texts within 3 days will be able to setup a well-thought-out plan for an upcoming trip? If so, I would highly recommend https://www.whiteglove.golf/ for planning & concierge needs. Planning trips can be anything from a modest time suck for relatively "simple" groups to a legit extra job for larger or more complex trips, and that is in the pre-Covid days. Now with the explosion of popularity in the game making tee times harder to get, combined with the hassle of coordinating travel and dealing with random flight changes/cancelations that the pandemic has brought on, even the most carefully made plans can be thrown off in an instant, making a concierge service that much more valuable. White Glove is a new company that was just started last year and I randomly got paired up in a round with the founder, Conor, while I happened to be in the planning stages of a Scottsdale trip with my buddies. My job was extremely busy at that time and I also have a toddler at home so figured I would give his services a try and I am SO glad that I did. Here is what Conor provided for our group: Worked with us to find a house to rent after giving us a bunch of options at varying budgets Booked tee times (and re-booked when flight changes threw us for a loop) Got us hook ups for pro-shop and dining credits to be included in the price to play (in March in AZ!); I never would have imagined that this was doable with the current state of the game Discounted shipsticks pricing for the guys who had a really tight turnaround from the airport to the teebox and would not have been able to check their bags and still play 18 otherwise Arranged for customized embroidered gear (Linksoul quarter zips, polos for each team) Custom engraved wooden bag tags, Western Birch tees, koozies, and hats Booked dinners for us in downtown Scottsdale Other options that we didn't take advantage of were bottle service at bars, car services/rentals, booking dedicated blackjack tables at the casino, fittings from OEM reps, really anything that you could imagine depending on your budget I know there are are multiple larger companies out there that do this type of planning & concierge work, but working with a new founder that wants more than anything to make his services stand out from the crowd was a really amazing experience and Conor delivered and then some, helping to create a seamless experience and memories that will last a lifetime. I hope to re-create annually with my friends at new locations around the country. Think @GolfSub70 type services and apply it to your trip.
  15. Curious what happened to the long/mid/short iron data? Is it still being incorporated into overall ratings? Especially with more and more irons that have different construction and/or size between long/mid/short irons I think it would be beneficial to see if testing backs up claims from OEMs. For example, forgiveness in the 223 4i might actually be really high, but low in the PW which nets out to a middle-of-the-road forgiveness rating if you are just assigning one grade but misses a lot of nuance that could be helpful for golfers to know.
  16. From what I have read, watched, and tested for myself, Ping accomplished exactly what they set out to accomplish in making a small, consistent, *relatively* forgiving players iron, they just did it at a price point that shocked many of their prospective buyers, including me as I couldn't get past the price. I think a lot of the commentary gets clouded by the fact that they are so expensive... I found that once I sifted through the muck online, along with my own testing of the 7i I was able to come away with a really good impression even if I didn't think they were worth the price premium with so many great options out there. While I will never fully understand the MGS testing parameters I know what they are doing is objective and it's nice to see the i59 score well. I also need to apparently give New Level a try...:)
  17. Those 659s look sick! Can't wait to learn more.
  18. Not a surprise to many who live in CA, but PSA for people thinking about trips (especially couples trips): Sandpiper, just north of Santa Barbara. Billy Bell design (Torrey Pines), it is a muni that could use a little bit more in the way of investment dollars which I think is why it hasn't really made it to the "lists" in some time, but it was still in very good condition when I played and IMO the 5 hole stretch from 10-14 heading directly down to the beach (the 11 green/12 tee box is basically on the beach) and then banking left along the cliffs could compete with any stretch of golf in the world; one of those places where you just chuckle to yourself because you are so freaking lucky to be playing there while staring at dolphins swimming in the Pacific to the west & snow capped peaks to the east.
  19. While nobody has answered yet, the answer for me was about 3 range sessions and 9 holes on the course lol!
  20. This is exactly the logic I needed to hear!
  21. I don't exactly have $1500 to burn after ordering irons but s!@t I'd kill for a round/pipe neck Anser or ZB in patina finish with tungsten plugs, site dot and a Redwood stamp on the face (hey, they said to just ask!). Oh and I'd like to avoid that whole fitting thing in case it tells me I need something at all different than that - it would probably be too pretty to game anyway!
  22. My fitter a couple of weeks ago would be right up your alley! While I top out at 95mph with my 7i and have a quick transition that has been fit into 130g shafts in the past, his approach was to test how much I could drop in weight before it impacted my performance, as his working theory is that most golfers are playing shafts that are too heavy/stiff for them regardless of age and should play the lightest shaft they can perform with. In my case the heavy shafts helped my transition a bit, but they were creating other problems that were impacting my consistency. I ended up in 120g $ Tapers for my P series combo that gives me more forgiveness at the top compared to my King Forged CBs (790 4i, 770 5-7) along with buttery MCs in the 8-P. Now these irons are all I think about
  23. From what I understand it is a slightly slimmed top line but otherwise similar dimensions/offset as the 2020 version. Hopefully they followed the King Tour MIM approach to the offset... to my eye they did a fantastic job of making those irons appear to have less than the stated numbers.
  24. For people who have dropped in weight and/or flex in an iron set, how long has it generally taken you to get used to the new setup? In a recent fitting I was fit into 120g stiff ($ taper) shafts compared to 130g x flex (also $ taper) 3 years ago with no change in swing speed over that time (sit around 91-92mph with 7i, top out at 95 with a quick transition so it is generally right on the stiff/x-stiff border but my prior preference and the prior fitting results had been for X given the transition). We tested a bunch of shafts and the results were consistently better in the 120g range than 130g, even across multiple shaft profiles, which was interesting and gave me the confidence to go with the fitter's recommendation. That said, when I took the new irons to the range for the first time the difference in feel and performance was significant, with left-right dispersion being pretty bad. Since the fitting was really comprehensive I think this is just an in between the ears adjustment more than anything, but curious to hear from others who have dealt with that type of shift before - how long did it take you to start feeling confident with the new sticks, or conversely how long did you wait before going back to the prior setup?
  25. Well I was surrounding the right answer but the fitting was still extremely helpful. I could have honestly gone with about 5 different setups and been more than happy but ended up in a Taylormade P series combo with $ Taper. The 223 with $ taper was the runner up, but the 770/MC felt like a bit better turf interaction for my swing. Guess I won’t be losing my Mizuno virginity just yet…someday!
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