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I am thinking about potentially trashing golf club to satisfy my curiosity. I have an old Taylormade Aeroburner 5 wood head laying around that has been skyed many times and is otherwise pretty well banged up. I decided I will not repair skymarks etc but strip it of paint so paint will not chip any more and hopefully I would be able to see any welds etc. If it is from stainless steel - great, if it rusts - even better. I can polish it to high gloss finish or I can bang it up and scuff it some more. Perhaps I can even lightly ding it and age-it like: Pretty stupid idea but I am stoked to see where curiosity takes me.

Thank you for your input. I don't think my irons were MOI matched or there is some higher reason for random swing weights as they are now. I think the irons were simply botched at assembly. In the end I agree with your bottom line. It all comes down to performance and I believe there is place for improvements. Funny enough I tested all my irons this weekend to determine which swing weight I prefer. It turned out I hit (and like) 5 and 8 iron a bit better then the rest and they measured within 0.3 SW of each other so at least I have target swing weight I will try to achieve for the rest of the set. I don't expect massive changes but if I am completely honest, headworms are at work and I will not sleep until this swing weight thing is sorted. God knows what lies beneath the surface... Iron length is spot on and I had lie angles and lofts checked about 6 months ago. I am not certain about the lie angles but since they are not far off and they better protect me from my misses, I will let them be. At least until headworms strike again...

Nice sticks. Welcome to the forum.

Thank you cnosil, I have already seen this chart. I was just wondering whether someone plays, played or was fit in a set of irons with progressive swing weight. Considering there are shafts like DG AMT, it is possible. At the end I will probably make my set per OEM specs.

In lockdown boredom I decided to measure swing weight of my irons since I noticed that my 8 iron is significantly lighter than my 6 iron. It turns out swing weight of my regular irons was all over the place, ranging from C9 to D4.2 with no particular pattern (like descending swingweight as the club shortens etc.). I measured swing weight a couple of times but results were the same inside 0,1 SW point. I guess that is what you get when buying second hand... I decided that I will use my free time and redo my irons. I plan to sort swing weights of my irons with tip weights (fine tuning with lead tape) and inthe process get rid of shaft rattle in two of my irons and regrip the whole set. Lovely project if only I weren't an obssesive type. In the past I have built a couple of iron sets at constant swing weight through the set as my friends requested. At the time I didn't even question their decision and respected it with no second thoughts but now I am questioning if that is a good idea/it makes sense. For example, swing weight of my longer clubs is around D1 and sand wedge at D5. There is a significant gap that I think should perhaps be filled gradually in 0,5 SW points per club (D4.5 in GW, D4 in PW, D3.5 in 9I, D3 in 8I, D2.5 in 7I, D2 in 6I, D1.5 in 5I, D1 in 4I). Has anyone done anything like this in perhaps smaller increments, perhaps in 0,3 SW points or so? I find pros and cons for both options.

If the testing results for Srixon Q Star Tour balls were that bad I have a bad feeling for my Inesis Tour 900 balls. They belong in the budget bracket too. I guess it is better to know than not to... Sigh...

HI, Guys at TXG youtube channel posted a couple of videos on this topic. Their finding is that all clubs deliver approximately the same distance for the same loft if you have enough speed. For slower swingers there is more of a gap between an iron and same lofted hybrid and then possibly between hybrid and same lofted fairway wood, mainly because of launch and height. Irons generally fly lower hence do not produce the same carry numbers. There are also other factors involved such as steepness of the swing etc. At the end of the day no theory is as good as factual results on the range, golf course or even better in a fitting bay so if possible take a couple of swings and see things for yourself. In the meanwhile I think it is worth to take a look at TXG videos, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndCQIaWJT94

Hi, In my experience heavier shaft increases swing weight ad vice versa. Rule of thumb is +1SW for +9g of shaft weight and -1SW for +5g of grip weight. Based on that I would say your build is app. -1SW for shaft and +1,5SW for grip, so about the same without any additional weighting of the head. Thing to realize, the numbers of swing weight change in relation to parts can be different with certain shafts that have higher balance point and can reduce overall swing weight like a heavier grip would. Either way, without knowing balance points of the shafts you used, guessing swing weight in relation to parts will not yield accurate results. Rather than guessing I suggest you just measure swing weight as it can be done simply by using home tools (ruler, weight scale and some kind of balance point at the ''0'' on the ruler) + a calculator on URL: http://golf.okrasa.eu/clubs/swingweight-en/sw-measure/ In my experience this calculator is as accurate as is the data you put in it. Moreover, 1 swing weight point is nothing to worry about since most of the golfers cannot feel the difference. I definitely belong in that group. I hope my semi-answer helped.

Pictures, pretty please.

Nothing exciting really. Just 13 pcs Lamking Players cord grips, 20 pcs of 10g brass tip weights for steel shafts, 20 pcs iron .355 ferrules to reshaft my irons. Oh, and an Evnroll ER5 Hatchback putter.

I have noticed that whenever I access MGS forum page, I cannot see any pictures (apart from those in the signature). In the posts they are only links with .jpg ending which I cannot open. At first I suspected than the problem is probably on my side so I checked Chrome settings and AdBlocker but I have enabled all pictures and AdBlocker is not active on MGS site. I tried visiting MGS forum site from 3 other computers and the result is the same. All this strikes me odd, especially because I have no problems with the pictures when I visit other forums and websites. Anyone else has this problem? Has anyone found a solution?

As others said, swing changes are probably your best bet but if you are looking at the gear alone, there are a couple of options. I fixed my height issue I had using 16,5* Taylormade '17 M2 with second hand Taylormade M5 fairway wood. That 60g weight plate really helps with increasing the launch and option of lofting the club up 2* is a bonus. The club head of the M5 is smaller than the newest SIM Ti with similar technology (as far as weighting goes) but that was exactly what I was looking for. With my previous 2017 M2 fairway wood I always had a fear in the back of my head that extended back will hit or at least graze the ground (silly, I know) and with M5 I have absolutely no fear of doing that. Some would despute the forgiveness factor of M5 but I had no problems with it. I love that club and it is not going anywhere anytime soon. If you are looking at other brands, you cannot ignore PING and Cobra fairways. The regular versions tend to launch the ball the highest. Just my 0.02$.

I recognize that currently there are definitely more important things to do, things get done a bit later than usual and health and well-being of the staff should be the priority. That being said, it is evident that the MGS is still running. The ball testing is being carried out, seemingly without a hitch. There are Most wanted testing results being regularly published which include detailed club measurements not to mention in-person testing which seems the most riskiest job for MGS out there. I doubt the testing of all the clubs was already finished in february or is done remotely. I figured if MGS was able to carry out all the other tests and measurements, it is a bit strange there was no word about the CG and MOI report. It seems mapping drivers would be the most risk free, hence perfect option for the past months when there was really nothing much else or at least safer to do than being ''locked up'' in the lab (assuming MGS have all the necessary gear - I have never noticed remark that MGS hires other companies to do that).

I've been asking myself the same question? MGS CG reports have been historically released in maj/june (if I remember correctly) so with each passing month I am more and more worried that CG reports are the thing of the past. Real shame. I hope MGS are waiting for the drivers that are scheduled to be released in fall, like Srixon and Titleist drivers, so that the database would be more complete. For the time being I suggest you take a quick peek at the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOHkZPKBdKA&t=810s It is very basic CG and MOI breakdown of 2020 drivers but it is better than nothing.

Another factor I think is as important as flight window is playability from the rough. Hybrids are miles easier to hit from the rough compared to utility irons and high strikes on the club face that happen (at least for me) more often in the rough are not nearly as penal with hybrid as they are with irons. Another point that TXG did not mention in the video is also that (at least in my opinion) there are ''subspecies'' within certain category. For example within utility irons Taylormade P790 UDI is significantly lower launching than Srixon Z U85 2iron, and for example Titleist TS3 hybrid behaves more closer to a chunky utility iron, whereas Titleist TS2 hybrid is probably closer to a fairway wood. Ball flight on chunky hybrid like TS2 is similar to low spinning fairway wood. If fitting or testing different clubs is not an option you can estimate which type of club would fit you best. For example I am for sure losing strokes when I play utility irons and struggle with hitting 5 woods but I love the flight when I catch woods properly. Knowing that I bought chunky Titleist 818 H1 hybrid(s) that I hit much better and with similar ball flight to a fairway wood. On the other hand, hybrids are not a good option for a lot of people because they struggle with hooking them. If they like the flight of the hybrids on the good strikes, I would direct them towards cunky utility irons like Srixon Z U85 or newer Taylormade SIM DHY that have not so dissimilar flight. If they would want/need higher flight, the fairway woods are the way to go, if they want/need lower, then slimmer utility irons.

Great looking bag. Thanks for sharing.

Really great looking bag. What swing speed training thingy is that in your bag? Homemade or bought?

I love the ''keep-your-ego-in-check'' golf setup and explanation of the golf course strategy. It reminds me of Youtuber Golfsidekick. I hope to see that Broke 80 badge real soon.

I posed similar question a while ago and got pretty good answers. Link to the thread: My advice would be that if you want to see noticable change in ball flight don't focus on single setting but deal with the problem with combining advantageous settings. If you want to eliminate or reduce right miss combine upright lie with higher loft (which usually slightly closes the face plus higher spin stabilizes the ball and slightly softens the curve), if possible adjust movable weight to the heel side of the driver, perhaps try different profile of the shaft to get some more forward deflection of the club head and closing of the face this way. Please note that if you are severely out-to-in and struggle with face control those settings won't do much for you and you have to address the swing flaws. I speak from personal experience. Hope this helps.

Nice sticks and pictures. Would you mind explaining what in why is in the bag?

The price is way better but I think it is fair to say Nippon N.S. Pro 1050 GH and 1150GH shafts are noticably different, hence they may not produce the same result.

Same here. I heard Club Champion likes to put some ''extra sauce'' on the price tag.

YES! That's the spirit!

Both. For example 6 iron total distance last year was 160m (pretty much all carry because the course is usually soft and balls stop at landing). Yesterday I hit pretty good 6 iron into the green from 140m all carry and app. 0,5 m of rool out. GPS measurements. Height was never my problem. I estimate the flight is a bit lower but I guess that could be the result of a poor strike. Good strikes fly about the same. Thanks for the advice about checking the specs. It certainly would not hurt to double chech the specs. I bought the irons from eBay about 2 years ago and immediately had them checked. They were anywhere from standard lie angle in PW to 3* flat in 5 iron. Lofts were spot on. I had them all bent to 1* flat and recently from that position to 1* upright. To the ''club bender'' I ordered specific lie angles and not just 2* up for every club. I was thinking about power leaks from ''glancing blow'' - perhaps being out to in (from video analysis my over the top move was quite apparent at the beginning of the season but I successfully ''recalibrated'' myself), with open face but the toe up face would neutralize the ball flight. I agree that GC Quad would be the best tool to analyze what is going on but unfortunately the closest one to me is more than 3 hour roadtrip away plus closed for the summer. Not really an option. Thanks for the advice.