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There’s been a bit of discussion recently on potential rule changes, but I think this is one everyone can get behind. Get rid of the 10 second rule on the green. Why on earth does a near perfect shot deserve a penalty? You hit a great putt, it hangs on the edge of the hole. You go to tap it in and it looks like it’s moving so you wait. If you tap it in, it’s a 2 stroke penalty. Then, it drops, and you get a penalty stroke for your efforts. Seems a bit ridiculous, a great shot being rewarded with a lose/lose proposition that results in lost strokes for doing literally nothing. I’ve heard people say it’s a pace of play thing, but that’s complete bull. Considering if the same thing happens away from the hole, it turns into a 10 minute exchange between player, caddie, playing partner, and eventually a rules official. Pace of play goes out the window any other time a potential ruling takes place. I understand it’s a rare situation, but why wait until it costs someone a tournament to change it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Golf is a weird game. I’d like the data to drive some of these decisions, but a lot of the time it comes down to optics and what a certain group of people think the game should look like. I like to think that old way of doing things is slowly going away. That being said, this topic seems like a lot of hot air being exchanged without any real information. I see a lot of data that suggests arm locking is far from an issue. I’ve seen nothing, other than people complaining about it, that even remotely suggests there is an issue. Such a small percentage of golfers do it, it’s hard to tell, but if it was that much better I’d like to think that more people would do it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

JT called it “cheating” a while back as well. In my opinion, the skill in putting is in green reading and speed control. All the talk of face rotation and arm locking is pretty suspect. I’d like to see data on how much actually changes when you arm lock. There’s nothing “locking” the grip to your arm. There’s nothing “locking” your arm from rotating. If it was such an advantage, everyone would be doing it. Are the best putters on tour all arm locking? If they were to change the rules, where would you even draw a line? How far down can you grip? How far can your putter go up your arm? What about reverse grip? How long can a putter be? Should all tall players be required to look like Matt Kuchar when putting? [emoji23] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I wouldn’t say anything is irrelevant, it all fits together. Launch angle is a product of your attack angle, loft and strike. It all depends on what the issue is...hitting down, too much/little dynamic loft, high/low launch? Poor strike pattern? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[emoji457] Yes, fitting is expensive, Club Champion is no different than any other golf retailer when it comes to pricing. You have to establish a budget first, before anything. A lot of people walk in blind and what to find the best equipment for their swing, then get shocked when the exotic shaft they hit cost an arm and a leg. You have to be honest about what you want and what you can afford up front. Any good fitter should go through this interview process first, unfortunately, as others have stated, some just want to make a buck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don’t have the Jaws but I assume they are Lamkin UTx grips. I’ve owned many Callaway wedges, all have come with some variety of the Lamkin UTx. I’d check out Lamkins website. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I wouldn’t worry too much about where to go, I’d look into actual fitters. Dicks/GG don’t employ actual fitters to my knowledge. CC is 100% about fitting, and GolfTec is more based around lessons. Look at reviews and see if you can find more information on the fitters that work at these places. Club Champion gives you the option to choose your fitter when you book online, so you get a list of fitters. Try to get names, ask around for recommendations, do a little research. The fitter will have a much bigger effect on your experience than the company they work for. The catch is, it can be very difficult to find information on individual fitters. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My advice would be to find a practice area where you can dedicate time to working on these shots. For me it’s always been my back yard. I can play with different techniques and clubs and pace off my distances. I know of a few parks by me that have walking trails and huge wide open fields that would be perfect. Whatever you can make work to find out what techniques work for you and which clubs you like to use. Experimentation is key to short game. There are so many different ways to go about it and none are right for everyone. Some guys use a clock system, some use the same swing with different clubs, some get comfy with a club and adjust their swing. The possibilities are endless, and finding out what works best for you and what your patterns are is only going to make you better. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Agreed! I’ve never understood why the rules change for OB vs hazard. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, especially considering there is a huge gray area between the definition of the two. It would knock penalty strokes off handicap golfers cards and probably help pace of play, take your drop and move on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Put simply, to answer the question...because they’re more expensive! Sure you can go down the endless shaft rabbit hole and try to quantify “better”, but at the end of the day, “better” is completely subjective. You can have a $10 shaft that produces great numbers, and a $100 shaft with “better” materials/tolerances that doesn’t. Fitting is the key, and you don’t need high dollar shafts to get good performance. A $75k BMW is better than a $25k Chevy, but the BMW doesn’t get you to work any better than the Chevy! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Great topic! For me, it was auto racing. I fell in love with NASCAR in high school and started helping a family friend at the local short track. Moved to NC at the age of 18 to try to work my way into the sport. Somehow I managed to meet the right people and racing was my career and life for 15 years. Hitting my 30s, getting married and having kids changed my perspective and i wasn’t willing to devote so much of my time to work. Long hours and traveling 100+ days of the year wasn’t for me anymore. In 2017 a few guys I worked with played on our days off and I started going with them. At the time, they were about a 5 and 10 handicap and I had played about 5 rounds in my life. Needless to say I got addicted, and in 2019 the right opportunity came up and I got out of racing. Golf has filled the competitive side I lost when I changed careers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The problem with changing course design and setup is that the people in charge of course design and setup don’t want to change. They are the loudest banging the roll back drum. They are also some of the richest and most powerful people in golf. They are the ones applying the pressure to “do something” about distance. It’s quite the coincidence that as he offers up these recommendations, Mike Davis has one foot out the door as he is starting his own architecture firm [emoji848] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I saw Ian Poulters Instagram last year talking about loft limits on drivers. I love Ian but that’s utterly ridiculous. What makes anyone think that would stop Bryson? He could literally abandon driver completely and play his longer 3 wood off the ground and would still be one of the best off of the tee. His advantage is in his speed and ball striking ability. That can’t be taken away. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

On paper, yes offset gives you “more time to square the face”, as they say. Like anything else though, a player can easily override the minimal help equipment tech gives you. Personally I don’t like a lot of offset because it looks off to me at address, and it’s visually harder to setup square. Only way to know is to try both and find what works for you. Which it sounds like you have! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’ve heard many pros talk about how Bryson is changing how they’re looking at the game. There will certainly be some that try to follow suit to some degree, but idk how many will be able to make it work. Rory, of anyone, could definitely make it work with his game. We’ve all seen how committed Bryson is and how much time/effort he’s put into it. Kevin Kisner said it best last year when asked about Bryson. He’s said the only way to stop a guy like him is to find him a wife and some kids! Side note... People get lost in the swing speed and distance part, but at the end of the day, the guy is just out working everyone. When he’s on, his approach play is light out, and he’s out putting everyone. I heard someone last week talk about how he should be mentioned as one of the best ball strikers on tour. I’d argue, if Rory wants to be more like Bryson, he needs to work on his putting, not his driving. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

In my opinion, you got a bad fitter. Any fitter has stock shaft offerings. A good fitter will be able to tell you what stock offering is best in the event they don’t have the exact shaft, and you’re not willing to pay for the upgrades. Sounds like you got sold a load of crap. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

As someone who purchased clubs through Club Champion last summer during the pandemic, I can tell you that your fitters are not following the CC protocols I’m used to. You should have been emailed all of the shipping info as soon as you placed the order and they shipped. I was forwarded all of the info from Mizuno and UPS each step of the way. I assume you are calling your fitter and the location you were fit at? I’d call customer service first, then I’d call Ping to see what they have to say. Try to find out what is actually delaying the order. I know a lot of people have pointed out that stupid things like grips being out of stock have caused big delays. I wouldn’t cancel until I figured out what the actual delay was for. I would absolutely make sure I got a discount. I was given 10% off when I placed my order because they said they couldn’t nail down a shipping date. I’d definitely start by going higher up the CC ladder and I have to believe that they will be able so sort it out. What exactly did you order? (Sorry if you did say) I know it’s easy to say that’s a lot of money, but without context... Is it a full set of clubs, a set of irons...? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I see this topic is back up and moving as it seems to every few months or so. I continue to use Club Champion. I get that their business model isn’t perfect and it definitely has a corporate feel to it, but there’s definitely value to using them. You won’t find a bigger selection of equipment at any other fitter. I’ve been fitted for driver, putter, irons and I’m going next month for a long game fit to look at my hybrids and the shafts in my driver/3w. They have a big winter sale every year on fittings so I’ve paid full price for one of the fittings and for next months fitting I get a 50% loyalty discount. I didn’t pay a penny over MSRP for any equipment, actually got a 10% discount on my irons last year because of the shipping delays. I had the option of stock or aftermarket shafts. I was told my putter fit my stroke well and that I should keep using it, with a few minor adjustments. All of the add-on services and upgrades are completely optional. I’ve gotten and used free Trackman sessions a few times. In my experience, they stand by their work and are there to help whenever you need something adjusted or are unhappy with a purchase or fit. I’ve said this before on here, but understanding what you’re getting into, knowing what you want and having realistic expectations is key. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’d say there is good reason that they have chosen not to make a rule change. Like a lot of proposed rule changes, it looks great on paper but in reality it just opens up a whole can of worms. You have to define a “divot” and have some sort of protocol in place for how to police it. Which, as Patrick Reed has proven, the tour doesn’t seem too concerned about policing the rules. Play it as it lies like any other situation on course and move on. Here’s a thought... Why don’t they fill their divots in the first place? [emoji848] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

When I first started playing a few years back It was pretty common to shoot a handful of shots better on the back. From time to time it would be 8-10 strokes, my worst being 12! A lot of it for me was just not having a lot of confidence early in a round, then I’d get settled in and manage my game much better. Also have to take into account that my home course plays about 2 strokes harder on the front. Back 9 is much more open with fairways running back to back. Front 9 runs through heavy wooded areas, makes tee shots a premium. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Two words... Expectation Management Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Again, not saying instruction doesn’t work, I’m only saying a launch monitor is a tool that helps the process along. Like a doctor might tell you he’s pretty sure you broke a bone based on his experience but then you get a scan to confirm. I’m very weary of online swing analysis. Referencing a 2 dimensional picture is pretty dangerous. Camera angle can have a huge effect on what appears to be happening. In that case, an instructors eye is absolutely better than a video. Again I say I’m talking about the BEST most efficient way of getting from point A to point B. The more tools and information at your disposal, the better suited you may be to get there. It’s obvious to me that in person is better, more efficient, than online, while having a launch monitors, force plates etc. take it to another level. And I have never seen an instructor using any of the above, besides a phone for video, on a range. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’d be interested to hear what you believe is the difference between a higher handicap golfer and a single digit handicap. Assuming poor mechanics/unplayable swing based on handicap? Again, old school thought process would be significant swing changes and building a more model swing. A 20 handicap that makes a few pars a round already has the ability, it’s about managing your swing and decision making. A golfer that hits a 30 yard slice off of the tee might have tight dispersion and could get a swing overhaul to hit it straighter but have worse dispersion or they could learn to manage it fairly quick and as they get better it becomes a fade. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Patrick is fun to watch. His short game is absolutely incredible. It’s good for the game to have a villain on tour. I don’t care about his reputation as a “cheater”. Golf is weird in that, it’s the only sport that seems reluctant to clearly define and enforce its rules. Lots of gray areas and it’s expected of the players to police themselves. In most other sports it’s expected of players to push the rules and the governing body to rule. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I disagree that the data isn’t for the coach, it’s 100% for the coach. It’s a tool that helps them do there job more efficiently. I’d bet the majority of golfers don’t have any idea what the numbers mean much less how to use them. It’s crazy to hear average golfers act like they don’t need the data but every pro carries a launch monitor to the range with them every day. Like I said before, I think golf is just so resistant to moving forward. Mark Crossfield did a few podcasts talking about coaching and how behind the times most are and talked specifically about data and launch monitors and how it helps expedite the process for a coach. He doesn’t take students without data. It’s no different than a scan tool for a mechanic. Sure a good mechanic could diagnose a problem without it, but if it narrows the process and saves them an hour, why not use it...Unless you get paid by the hour I guess [emoji23] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk