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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from DriverBreaker in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    So this thing is deadly from 6 feet and in. I’m not quite dialed in with my distance control on the longer putts yet, but I’m getting there…
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    Grand Stranded reacted to bens197 in L.A.B. MEZZ.1 Putter   
    You're right!...somehow Charl seems to float under the radar 🤣
    I chose a lighter grip than the press and I can certainly feel the head better through the stroke.  That took some adjusting but hasn't been a detriment to my game.  Depending on which RoseMark you choose, you may have the same results as me.  The one thing that did NOT change was the face angle as I hold it up as if I were doing a swing weight.  The face remains square so the grip itself does not effect face angle.
    The hand angle and built in press doesn't even faze me.  No stubbed putts and no regrets as I continue with the pistol style.
    Send pictures when you're all done when you make the change.
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from Nolan220 in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    So this thing is deadly from 6 feet and in. I’m not quite dialed in with my distance control on the longer putts yet, but I’m getting there…
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from gavinski91 in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    So this thing is deadly from 6 feet and in. I’m not quite dialed in with my distance control on the longer putts yet, but I’m getting there…
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from B_R_A_D_Y in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    So this thing is deadly from 6 feet and in. I’m not quite dialed in with my distance control on the longer putts yet, but I’m getting there…
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from revkev in L.A.B. MEZZ.1 Putter   
    Imagine if they had the opportunity to have golfers test and review their newest product a few weeks before releasing it? 😂😂😂😂
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from sirchunksalot in L.A.B. MEZZ.1 Putter   
    Imagine if they had the opportunity to have golfers test and review their newest product a few weeks before releasing it? 😂😂😂😂
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from MattF in L.A.B. MEZZ.1 Putter   
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from bens197 in L.A.B. MEZZ.1 Putter   
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from cnosil in L.A.B. MEZZ.1 Putter   
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from Bulldog in L.A.B. MEZZ.1 Putter   
    Imagine if they had the opportunity to have golfers test and review their newest product a few weeks before releasing it? 😂😂😂😂
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    Grand Stranded reacted to B_R_A_D_Y in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    When you get fit for a driver, they fit it to your swing, flaws and all. It's the exact same thing here. I sent flawed data and they matched it. They had no way of knowing that I screwed up. As someone mentioned earlier, lots of people putt with the toe in the air. It was my fault, and I addressed it in my "Good/Bad" section. That does not mean however, that I think remote fitting works for putters. It's such an intuitive club, I truly want to know how it feels to me before I drop serious cash on it. ... Hey, I think I just wrote the beginning of my conclusion.
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    Grand Stranded reacted to GolfSpy SAM in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    Personally I think your experience is valuable, and am grateful you've shared so willingly.  Sure, your experience hasn't been the SAME as mine, but I think that's important for readers/viewers to see.  No company's going to nail it 100% of the time in 100% of the arenas, so knowing what could happen is valuable.  I strongly think LAB needs more customer service reps, so that less emails/calls slip between the cracks.  Even those of us who received call-backs (speaking for myself), while helpful to talk to the fitter, didn't receive them for several days.  Now, is that a deal-breaker?  It wasn't in my case, but I could see how a clear lack of communication when potentially spending THIS amount of money could be a direct turnoff.  Everyone wants to feel valued, and have their questions answered - when you go for a fitting, the expectation is that you have questions and if the fitter can't/won't answer them, you wouldn't feel comfortable (presumably) buying the product.  
    Because this is online, it's slightly more challenging and more of a trust exercise, but I'm super grateful you've shared your experience.  I, too, hope you find the jibe (as you so accurately put it) with your putter - every time I take mine out, I realize the incremental gains are adding up.  Hopefully soon you're experiencing the same, and if not - that'll be important info for the readers to have, too.  
    -M
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from B_R_A_D_Y in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    Okay, so I’ll admit to the comparison to an iron fitting being a poor one, but I’m going to stick with my view on the communication they’ve had with me.
    Maybe they’ve contacted most of you, and you have contacted them since we’ve received our putters. Neither has happened with me. I understand that I could have called, but at this point I don’t see any reason why I should have, or what I would have asked once our orders were placed.
    Another thing I may be way off base with, but I’m still very curious about is the lack of involvement with anyone from LAB within these threads. As I said there is a history of them doing so in another online test. 
    Whatever though, it seems I’m a voice in the wilderness, and everyone else is very happy with their putters and their fitting, so I don’t want to come off as “that guy”. There’s no need for me to talk about it any more. I’ve given my opinion and I’ll leave it here. 
    As for the putter itself, I’ll be the first to say it is a very high quality product, the build is fantastic. I’d love nothing more than to get comfortable with it in my bag. I believe in their technology, the idea of the head remaining square is something I think should help everyone very much. I also think there should be a ton of forgiveness with the DF2.1 head. Why I’m not jibing with it yet is frustrating me to no end, and I apologize if I’ve gone too far with recounting that frustration.
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from cnosil in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    Okay, so I’ll admit to the comparison to an iron fitting being a poor one, but I’m going to stick with my view on the communication they’ve had with me.
    Maybe they’ve contacted most of you, and you have contacted them since we’ve received our putters. Neither has happened with me. I understand that I could have called, but at this point I don’t see any reason why I should have, or what I would have asked once our orders were placed.
    Another thing I may be way off base with, but I’m still very curious about is the lack of involvement with anyone from LAB within these threads. As I said there is a history of them doing so in another online test. 
    Whatever though, it seems I’m a voice in the wilderness, and everyone else is very happy with their putters and their fitting, so I don’t want to come off as “that guy”. There’s no need for me to talk about it any more. I’ve given my opinion and I’ll leave it here. 
    As for the putter itself, I’ll be the first to say it is a very high quality product, the build is fantastic. I’d love nothing more than to get comfortable with it in my bag. I believe in their technology, the idea of the head remaining square is something I think should help everyone very much. I also think there should be a ton of forgiveness with the DF2.1 head. Why I’m not jibing with it yet is frustrating me to no end, and I apologize if I’ve gone too far with recounting that frustration.
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from bens197 in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    Okay, so I’ll admit to the comparison to an iron fitting being a poor one, but I’m going to stick with my view on the communication they’ve had with me.
    Maybe they’ve contacted most of you, and you have contacted them since we’ve received our putters. Neither has happened with me. I understand that I could have called, but at this point I don’t see any reason why I should have, or what I would have asked once our orders were placed.
    Another thing I may be way off base with, but I’m still very curious about is the lack of involvement with anyone from LAB within these threads. As I said there is a history of them doing so in another online test. 
    Whatever though, it seems I’m a voice in the wilderness, and everyone else is very happy with their putters and their fitting, so I don’t want to come off as “that guy”. There’s no need for me to talk about it any more. I’ve given my opinion and I’ll leave it here. 
    As for the putter itself, I’ll be the first to say it is a very high quality product, the build is fantastic. I’d love nothing more than to get comfortable with it in my bag. I believe in their technology, the idea of the head remaining square is something I think should help everyone very much. I also think there should be a ton of forgiveness with the DF2.1 head. Why I’m not jibing with it yet is frustrating me to no end, and I apologize if I’ve gone too far with recounting that frustration.
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from sirchunksalot in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    Okay, so I’ll admit to the comparison to an iron fitting being a poor one, but I’m going to stick with my view on the communication they’ve had with me.
    Maybe they’ve contacted most of you, and you have contacted them since we’ve received our putters. Neither has happened with me. I understand that I could have called, but at this point I don’t see any reason why I should have, or what I would have asked once our orders were placed.
    Another thing I may be way off base with, but I’m still very curious about is the lack of involvement with anyone from LAB within these threads. As I said there is a history of them doing so in another online test. 
    Whatever though, it seems I’m a voice in the wilderness, and everyone else is very happy with their putters and their fitting, so I don’t want to come off as “that guy”. There’s no need for me to talk about it any more. I’ve given my opinion and I’ll leave it here. 
    As for the putter itself, I’ll be the first to say it is a very high quality product, the build is fantastic. I’d love nothing more than to get comfortable with it in my bag. I believe in their technology, the idea of the head remaining square is something I think should help everyone very much. I also think there should be a ton of forgiveness with the DF2.1 head. Why I’m not jibing with it yet is frustrating me to no end, and I apologize if I’ve gone too far with recounting that frustration.
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from sirchunksalot in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    I think you might have answered your own question in your first paragraph when you talk about design tricks certain putters have that might change a person’s setup.  
    Maybe I’m crazy but if I were the company asking to have my online fitting system and premium line putters reviewed, I would make sure I, or someone in my company was involved from the day the testers were selected. Take @B_R_A_D_Y and myself for example, both of us have mentioned how much flatter the lie angles are in our new putters as opposed to our old. Why wouldn’t a fitter explain to me why he was putting me in the same length putter, but with a 6* flatter lie angle? Why wouldn’t they ask something about the type head and grip I have on my old putter, and whether I’m comfortable with it or not?
    To me, this was the equivalent of being selected to test the complete new lineup of PING, PXG or Titleist irons that nobody has seen yet. Then being told send us a 5 second video of your swing, we will show you three different types of club heads. Just pick whichever head, shaft and grips you like. We’ll take care of the length and lie.
    I’m going to be really excited about getting a very expensive set of clubs, but is that really a fitting? Now imagine you weren’t a tester, but we’re looking to buy. Would you pay a premium price sight unseen based off that? Some people would, I guess. 🤷‍♂️
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from sirchunksalot in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    Yes, I used the Odyssey. I always felt something was off with my fitting, as everyone had their results before me. I got concerned about that and called their CS.
    As I mentioned in our testers thread they told me Sam wanted to do my fitting himself, that’s why it was taking a bit longer than the others. Naturally I was really excited to hear that, but… the next day was a Friday, and I got an email late that afternoon by a fitter saying Sam wasn’t able to get to it that day so he did my fitting instead.
    I asked him about grips, but it took him about 5 business days (said he never saw the email until then) to get a reply and he just said the 3.0 is what he used and it worked well. I placed my order right after that but again asked in the comment box if he thought another grip might be better for me. I have never gotten a reply, or a phone call since, from either the fitter or Sam. At this point, I really wouldn’t want one.
    This review is supposed to be about their online fitting process as much or more as it is about the putter. To be honest I’m astounded they just looked at a 5 second video and sent me a $900 putter, then never looked at this thread and followed up with me on the issues I’m raising since I received mine.
    I’ve read a very long LAB putter review on another site where Sam was heavily involved in the thread for weeks. I don’t understand why that isn’t the case here?
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from sirchunksalot in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    So, as crazy as it sounds, I’d never thought to compare the lie angles on my Odyssey Double wide and the DF2.1.
    I just looked up the specs and my old putter is 70*, my DF2.1 is 64*.  Both are 34”.
    I know 6* is a huge difference with irons, I’m assuming it must be with a putter also? I’m not sure though because maybe the center shaft build on the LAB affects the way they measure lie?
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    Grand Stranded reacted to cnosil in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    And in theory it should be.  Posture and setup dictates lie angle.  I believe the assumption being made is that people take the same setup all the time so if you have a photo or video of setup, you get the correct lie angle.   this means that no matter what putter you use, you sole it the same way whether the toe or heel is off the ground.  The falls apart if the person does some manipulation based on the putter.  People setup the way they do for a variety of reasons…comfort and vision are the two primary ones.    Some putters also have design tricks to force you to change your setup…a high toe putter is designed to visually encourage you to lift the heel.  
     
    the question becomes what do you think would be different if you did an in person fitting and you tried various lie angles?  How would it make it better other than satisfying your curiosity?   Reading your posts you have your setup and default to that setup so based on that setup you have your lie angle.  Why would you have picked 72 other than it matched your other putter; maybe that one is wrong?  
     
     
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from sirchunksalot in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    @B_R_A_D_Y you’re killing it here with your review! 👏🏻 
     
    I’m trying my best to give my DF2.1 every chance I can as this test winds down to it’s final few days so I took it out to the practice green again this morning.
    I decided I’m just going to take my normal setup and not worry about whether it looks like it’s soled  flat on the ground to my eye. I like to feel like my elbows are connected to my rib side at address, but with the DF2.1 I’ve been extending them forward in order to make it look like it’s sitting properly.
    It was only a 15 minute or so session, and after the fiasco I went through yesterday anything would be an improvement, but my results were a lot better as far as line, and consistency of stroke. The problem with that consistency of stroke thing though is I was now blowing putts past the hole. This putter, as big as it is feels very light to me, and I’ve got to somehow get a feel for how that’s affecting my distance control. It might be the oversized grip causing that, I don’t know… as you can tell I’m befuddled by this putter. 🙄
    I’ve never put this much effort into trying to make a putter “work for me” before. I even scheduled a just for fun round for tomorrow with my neighbors just to put this in play again, as there is no way I’m gaming it on Tuesday in league play. I’ll fill you guys in on that adventure tomorrow evening after we’re done playing.
     
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from sirchunksalot in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    I feel like Debbie Downer in here, 🙄.
    i played in my Saturday money game today and if I’ve had a worse day putting, I honestly can’t remember it.
    It might be the fact that I’m coming off a long layoff, because the rest of my game is rusty also, but let’s just say after watching me putt today none of my 3 playing partners will be looking to buy a DF2.1 anytime soon. These guys know me, we’ve all played together many times over the past 12 years and they couldn’t believe what they were watching. It was a disaster.
    There very well might be magic somewhere in this club, but if I’m going to find it, it will be on the practice green, not when I’m playing for $$$. I just can’t get comfortable at setup with this thing. I’ve mentioned it before, but my grip is messed up, and  I feel like my arms need to extend out from my body to set it flat to the ground. I feel like I’m learning to putt all over again, and what was the strength of my game is now a weakness.
    As soon as I came back home I grabbed my White Hot OG and went back to our putting green. Everything felt back to normal again, and it’s back in my bag. 
    I’m happy to see everyone else seems to love their new putter, I really am. There’s a part of me that’s wondering why I don’t feel the same way, but it is what it is. I have my theory as to why, and I touched on it a couple times in this thread. I could be wrong though. I need to go have someone I trust has the knowledge to tell me if I am or not.
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from sirchunksalot in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    I’ve played two rounds the past two days and right now I’m torn with what to say about the DF2.1. I don’t want to come off as critical, but on the other hand I’ve yet to feel there’s anything magical about it, and there’s the rub.
    If I’m going to buy a new putter, I’ve got to feel that magic right away. I’m so appreciative of the opportunity that Lab and MGS have given me, I want to keep plugging away with this and I really want it to work out. I have to be honest though and repeat what I said after my first few practice sessions. If this were a normal situation, and I was testing this against other models in a store, I would’ve put it back on the shelf, and tried something else.
    The size is awkward,  there’s no getting around that. Another thing is I’m not sold on the results of my fitting. I feel like I have to manipulate it to sit flat. When I take my normal setup the heel is above the ground slightly and to correct that I’m moving my arms out more from my body than I feel I should.
    In fairness the results have been pretty good, not great. I’m not fully dialed in with it, nor do I feel as confident with it as I want to, and I think that should have happened by now? I want to keep this review focused on the DF2.1, and don’t want to get into comparisons with my own putter, so I’ll leave it here for today.
     
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    Grand Stranded got a reaction from sirchunksalot in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter   
    Not only would I consider it, but a few years ago I bought a Square Stryke chipper. Here’s the problem though… I’ve seen guys who are lights out with a chipper, but I screwed up as many shots with mine as I did with my other clubs. They claim it’s chunk proof, but I debunked that theory very quickly, not to mention I bladed more than my share across the green. That said, look at my sig, I’ve become a big believer in playing the most forgiving club I can. If a chipper works for you, why wouldn’t you play it, or at least give one a try?
    I’ve watched the same Crossfield chipper video you talked about. Check out the ones he has done with the Cleveland hybrid style irons the last few years. The combination of his recommendations and a guy (7 hcap) winning the net portion of our club championship last year with an older version convinced me to give them a try. Crossfield also talks about how great they are around the greens, and that’s what sold me. I’ve been using the 8 iron or DW around the greens and I couldn’t agree more, they’ve been a godsend for my short game.
    I sold my PXGs and can’t imagine ever going back to a traditional iron set. When I bought them I had gone up from a 12 to a 16. I’m now back down to 11.8 after posting my score from today.
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