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DriverBreaker got a reaction from Reesedw in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter
L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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DriverBreaker got a reaction from Larryd3 in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter
L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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DriverBreaker got a reaction from Thin2win in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter
L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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DriverBreaker got a reaction from Josh Ross in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter
L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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DriverBreaker got a reaction from mynerds in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter
L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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DriverBreaker got a reaction from sirchunksalot in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter
L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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DriverBreaker got a reaction from edingc in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter
L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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DriverBreaker got a reaction from revkev in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter
L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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DriverBreaker got a reaction from PMookie in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter
L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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DriverBreaker got a reaction from bens197 in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter
L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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DriverBreaker got a reaction from Bulldog in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter
L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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DriverBreaker got a reaction from GolfSpy SAM in L.A.B. DF2.1 Putter
L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Putter – Official MGS Forum Review by GolfSpy_CS
Full Introduction - click here
First Impressions (4/5 Stars)
I don’t think anything can really prepare you for how massive the Directed Force 2.1 head truly is. I mean there’s mallet putters and then there’s this thing. I saw a Mezz.1 in person a week before I got the DF2.1 and it was a fine sized putter. Very traditional fang-style size. This DF2.1 is a jumbo jet!
I rolled a few putts on the carpet and it sets up and feels good. I did not notice any issues with the forward ball position setup as I already tend towards forward ball position. Overall, the first impressions are positive. If you sole it correctly for the lie angle it’s built for and hold it with light grip pressure, the thing just wants to stay square for you.
Aesthetics (3/5 Stars)
You’ll either love or hate the aesthetics of the DF2.1… Personally, I love and hate it all at the same time, but am growing to love it more and more. The all black look I went with is clean. The matte black finish on the head and LA Golf shaft are just what I want them to be. No glare and mean looking. I also really like the long white line I chose for the alignment marker.
The size of the DF2.1, as mentioned earlier, could be a huge turnoff to some people. I was just putting with it on TrackMan’s putting analysis and our rep told me that larger mallets sometimes interfere with the TrackMan camera accurately picking up the ball on putts! LOL. He said, “Yeah this one might be an issue…”
The more I’ve putted with it, the more I view the massiveness as a positive though. It just inspires confidence. I know I miss toe side with putters, but with this thing, it doesn’t really matter.
The Numbers (5/5 stars)
Usually I'm all about data. I taught a graduate statistics course at my last university for crying out loud. But I wanted to keep this review on my experience. My stroke is not your stroke. My woes are not your woes. At the end of the day, you've got to like the way your club/putter looks, trust that it will perform, and what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. If it gives you more confidence, that’s a good thing right? Here’s what I can say. In my experience, I’ve never putted better. My playing partners have noticed as well. I know that if I pick the right line and speed, I’ve got nothing else to think about or focus on. With other my other putters (of which there are many), I would miss putts low side and wonder if I pulled them (often I did). Now I don’t think about it. I can evaluate if I over/under read break or speed.
Totally awesome putting video:
I have made more putts from inside of 10ft and over 15ft since using the L.A.B. than ever in my golfing career. My lag putting has improved as well. I don’t know how else to say it, this thing just drains putts. There were several putting practice sessions that come to mind. I wrote about these in the comments section, but one time I literally made 10 putts in a row from 10+ feet. Then I drained one from 25ft just for good measure. In other sessions I’m making tour-average percentages from 4-6ft (which never happened before). L.A.B.’s slogan of “You’re a better putter than you think” rings true for me. They also say on the DF 2.1 page, “Every putt is now makeable.” I truly do believe that now.
As far as the actual stats go, my 3 putts are down, my make rate from inside of 10ft is up, and my confidence (while unquantifiable) is also way up. This thing is staying in the bag. Here is a quick screenshot of the consistency of this putter from my short TrackMan putting session today. You’ll notice all of these launch directions were inside of 1* (our TrackMan rep said he’s pretty sure most PGA Tour players are inside of 1* either direction consistently). If you can do that, you'll hit your line over and over. You'll probably ask why these putts aren't consecutively numbered 1-10 or something. The TrackMan rep and I were taking turns so I deleted his putts.
On-Course (5/5 stars)
This thing just makes putts. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. I feel very confident over the ball. Pick the line, speed, and just let it flow. As I said in the ‘Numbers’ category, my 3 putts are down, my make rate inside of 10ft is up, and more importantly, my 5 footers after a missed green and a short game save chip/pitch shot are up. These are very valuable to keeping my scores where I want them. I’ve also made more putts over 25ft during actual rounds of golf than I ever have before. The ball just seems to be on a string connected to the cup.
The Good, the bad, the in-between (5/5 stars)
One thing I really appreciated during this process was Sam Han, the CEO reaching out to us as testers for a phone call. We ended up having close to a one hour phone call about the putter, golf, and life. Sam is very passionate about the company, the products, and the game. That was icing on the cake for me.
People also take notice of this putter. When you take it out to practice or for a round of golf, people are very interested. Once they see you start rolling in putts, they really get interested!
Another thing I really like is that this is the first putter that ever sits flat for me naturally. And it should! It’s built to my lie angle specifically. All my other putters are always way toe up because of my low hands at address.
I didn’t really like the idea of the online fitting at first. But after talking with the CEO, it makes sense. Get comfortable, they build you a awesome putter, go make more putts. Simple.
Play it or Trade it (5/5 stars)
This should come as no surprise, but this thing is staying in the bag for the foreseeable future (check my updated signature). I honestly don’t think any of my current putters could hold a candle to it. There is no reason to make putting any harder than it has to be. L.A.B. gets my vote.
Conclusion
TL;DR: This thing just makes putts. I have supreme confidence whenever I step on the green. Before, I dreaded putting practice, putting during a round of golf, and only when I was inside of 1ft did I feel like I knew the putts were going to fall. Now, I feel like any putt is legitimately makeable. Inside of 10ft is no longer a weakness for me. Putting is finally fun! (never thought I’d say that)
Final Score (27/30 stars)
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The Review (updated 5/26/2022)
Sub70 949X 5 Wood – Official MGS Forum Review by @MrBandit
Sub70 949X - Intro
I have been golfing for the past 18yrs, started after leaving the military and moving to San Francisco, I never expected to play golf. Everyone in my office played golf and they took me to a par 3 course in San Francisco and I remembering making par on the 4 hole (easy game, LOL) have been hook since.
Once I moved back to NYC, I began to play more and become more competitive and really get hooked on the game. Now living in Texas, my game as become more consistent as I get the play year-round vs 6 months a year when I was in NYC.
Started playing in some of the US AM Tour tournaments again, and this has help my confidence and concentration since every shot counts and cannot just waste a shot if I was just playing around with friends.
My game – Currently at 8.4 HC, up and down, struggle with concentration in the middle of the round causing silly mistakes, which escalates those numbers quickly. Hence my scores fluctuating from 77 to 87. Chipping and putting has help keep my rounds under control, getting up and down from around the greens. Which I considered that my strength of my game. I struggle at times with my mid irons, but I compensate with my wedge game and putting.
My driving accuracy has improved when I switch over to the new TaylorMade Stealth HD 9.0 a few months ago, put the same Nippon NS Regio MB+ 65 shaft I have been using since last year. which help keep the ball in the fairway and eliminating one side of the fairway. Distance has improve coming from the TourEdge Exotic Pro.
Looking forward to adding a 5 Wood to my bag and replacing the 3Wood. I come to the realization am a man of a certain age now with excessive mileage that going for the green in 2 is not going to be in the cards very often and play to my strength of wedge game into the greens.
Am expecting great things from this Sub70 949X.
First Impressions (5 out of 5 Stars)
Packaging hits the mark, Black box with Sub70 branding catches the eye right away. Inside the box, hand written note thanking for the purchase and to enjoy the product. Inside comes with adjusting tool, Sub70 ball Marker and sticker.
In the pouch it comes with additional weight to be able to adjust as need it.
The 5 wood is stunning when looking down on it, carbon head reflects up nicely. The 5 wood sits well at address. Smaller head , just slightly bigger than my TE 3 Hybrids. Its a confident look when addressing the ball.
The Hzrdus 60G Shaft really makes you feel you are swinging faster and not feeling like you are out of control.
Took it out on range briefly to give it a try, and the sound was solid, good penetrating ball flight, and it was consistent ball flight and center strikes. Swing the club felt confident and sturdy. Sub70 claims their utilizing nascent technologies to improve ball flight, trajectory, and spin, which I could tell. Since it comes with additional 6 &12 gram weights it will allow you to adjust the ball flight even further. Am happy with the standard setup right now. Straight ball all day.
The I took it out to the course for the first time, in the late after noon and the hits off the tee and off the fairway are solid, its a fairway finder for about 205-210 yds consistently. This will give you the confidence that you can hit that tight fairway and keep it in play. I need to get more reps, I haven't really gone after it, its has been solid strikes(so far) every time which was a happy surprise. Usually with 3 wood you have the tendency to top it at times or flare it right . This was down the middle every time.
Aesthetics (5 out of 5 Stars)
General Shape – Small head, just a little larger than a 3Hybrid and smaller than your 3wood. Graphics/Badging – Simple clean graphic on bottom of the head, #5, 949x and sub 70 logo. How does the overall look come together? – the club looks sharp; it looks like you will smash it every time. How does the appearance compare to other clubs in the same category? Its clean looking, carbon head looks stunning at address. It’s a good-looking club, plain and simple with no extra flare. Other unique details – 2 weights to allow you change characteristics of the club performance. Are they flashy? Do other players notice them in your bag without being prompted?
Club Is not flashy while in the bag, head cover black with the white sub70 diamond logo.
People have commented on the sound and consistency of club. Sound: Sound is a solid, not dull but you can tell if you hit it. It feels consistent even on mis-hits. You can tell if you hit it on the toe or heel but out of the ordinary.
The Numbers (4 out of 5 stars)
Accuracy – by far one of the most accurate woods I have ever hit. If you don’t like straight this is not for you. Distance – Consistently between 215-230 yds. Trajectory – High and landed soft, but also you can hit low, it was great to have that option. Forgiveness – One thing that was very impressive was the miss hits, either toe, heel, high or low the club was consistently straight. You will lose some yards from non-center hits but it was nothing that will discourage you from hitting the club. I found to be a solid fairway finder with enough distance to give you to the opportunity to reach the green. Control – Another thing I notice was how easily was to hit the club, didn’t turn on your hands, it was aim and swing and you was on target. Built tons of confidence the more I used the club. Workability – This could be the only downside of this club, it was pretty much straight, I had to go way out of the way to try to cut the ball (which I like to do)So I had to settle (happily) to be a straight club. On-Course (5 out of 5 stars)
While on the course this where the club really shine, when you had to hit the shot, fairway, get to the right distance. Out of 7 rounds with this club only once it didn’t perform and this was only because of user error, not the club fault.
I was able to get to comfortable distance with the 5 Wood, longest 235yds, but it was steady between 215-230yds. Hitting High straight shots that landed softly, miss hits that went straight and out of harm’s way. The more I used the club the more confident it was bringing me to pull it when I need it a 220-230yds shot knowing that I was going to get the desired results.
Long par 3 that were 200-215yds, it was nice to hit this club with confidence that I can hit high, and it would land softly on target.
Par 5 is the main reason I went with the 5 wood, as i have realized that a lot of the par5 I play I could no longer reach it 2, that I could instead place myself in situation to have a wedge in hand to be able to attach the flag when possible. And it works as intended, it gave me better opportunities to score since I knew I was in a preferred yardage. I didn’t have to scramble because my 3 wood went left or right or not long enough and had to recover from not favorable spots.
Final Performance Comments:
Overall, how did it perform? Over performed expectation Did it help improve your scores? It improves my scoring by at least 2shots, specially on the par 5 since I was using wedges for my 3 shot on every Par 5 How, if at all, did this product change your overall impression of the OEM? Performance of the club made me start thinking about other clubs from SUB70, with the current performance of the 5 wood. What feature would you change or eliminate from the next generation of this model? Nothing.
The Good, the bad, the in between (5 out of 5 stars)
Everything about this process was excellent, from using their fit tools, to asking for specific specs and getting exactly what was requested.
The club exciding expectation on performance and the aesthetics of the club where solid. This is what
Play it or Trade it? (5 out of 5 stars)
This club is 100% Play it, if you haven’t tried it, you are missing out on a steady performer. By far the most consistent club I have ever hit. It will be hard to replace this club from my bag.
Conclusion
Having heard of Sub70 before but never have been able to use one of their products I had reservations on how the Sub70 5 Wood would perform. But from the distinctive packaging and personalized handwritten notes. From the range session to the on-course performance, the club exceeded expectations and made me wonder why I didn’t try them before and now made me thing about looking into their other products ie. hybrids or even 3 wood (not that am using mine currently, because of the 5 wood) but it made me wonder If I need to reconsider replacing my current one with a Sub70.
I’m very happy that I got the opportunity from GolfSpy to test and review this club and I would simply say if you consistency and performance Sub70 should be in your options.
Final Score (29 out of 30 stars)
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Maxfli Tour/Tour X Golf Balls – Official MGS Forum Review by edingc
Introduction - July 10, 2021
Hello, everyone!
First off, thanks to Maxfli and MyGolfSpy for this review opportunity. My name is Cody, and I am excited to be back for my third official review on the forums. In 2019, I reviewed the Callaway Epic Flash driver. Last year, I was fortunate to be a competitor in the #CobraConnect Challenge.
My golf game has undergone a huge transformation since I joined the MGS forums in 2018. I am lucky to call the West Michigan area home. We are flush with quality golf courses, instructors and practice facilities. I likely was a 25-30 handicap when I joined the forums despite having played for two decades. Today, my unofficial handicap hovers in the upper-single digits.
The strength of my game tends to be my ball striking from inside 150 yards. As a former baseball player I am able to generate a good amount of club speed and distance. My biggest weakness is my accuracy and consistency from the tee box. In general, I hit a high draw with my irons, with a miss being a block to the right or a hook left. My driver ball flight is less consistent, though my best shots tend to be high, small cuts.
I play 18 holes three-to-four times per week from May-August, weather permitting. My office is also less than five minutes away from an excellent practice facility. I am able to hit range balls, use the putting green and practice my short game every day during my lunch break.
I maintain a dedicated game improvement thread here on the forums that dates back to 2019. I also have a full WITB post.
My golf ball is one piece of equipment that rarely changes. In 2019, I tried out several urethane-covered models early in the season. I ended up loving the yellow Snell MTB-X. I have played that ball almost exclusively since.
In order, the four things I considered when selecting the MTB-X as my gamer (and what I measure any ball against) were:
Driver Carry Distance Value Iron and Short Game Spin Feel The MTB-X was by far the longest ball off of the driver for me during my testing. It is a great value even with the recent price increase. I can usually expect a medium-high flight off of my irons and a quick one-hop and stop, or even a bit of pull back. While it is a higher compression ball, it seems less firm than something like the Srixon Z-Star XV.
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The Review - Sept. 6, 2021
It’s been fun getting the new Maxfli balls out on the course over the past month. I’ve played several rounds with each ball and played a two-ball solo scramble. I also spent time on the practice green and in the short game area.
Maxfli has put out very strong tour-level offerings in both of these balls!
First Impressions
The packaging of the balls is well done and informative. It is “premium” looking. The urethane cover on both models feels very soft and tacky, especially fresh out of the sleeve. The dimple pattern, although common to balls produced by Foremost, seems large. Larger than balls I've played in the past. Nothing about the packaging makes the balls stand out, for better or worse, on a rack with other premium offerings. Maxfli did well here.
Looks & Durability - 13/15 Points
The balls sport a clean design, highlighted by a large “MAXFLI” marking. The only differences between the appearances of the Tour and Tour X are the color of the numbers (black for Tour, red for Tour X) and the name on the alignment marking.
My only complaint about the looks is that the CG alignment mark is a little chunky. It is almost “Triple Track-like,” in its width. I’d prefer for the lines to be either closer together or removed.
The durability of both models is impressive. I hit many trees throughout my testing and did not cause any noticeable damage to the covers of the balls. Most grass and dirt marks wiped away with a towel. Some covers picked up permanent marks after particularly violent collisions with trees.
Sound & Feel - 15/15 Points
The Tour and Tour X are two different golf balls with two distinct sounds and feels.
Being a lower compression ball, the Tour produces a muted thwack sound. The Tour is also softer feeling. On my best swings it almost felt like the ball was melting on the club face. I found this feeling to be very addictive.
The Tour X is a typical high-compression ball. It is firm feeling off of the club face and produces a more piercing crack/click noise when struck.
These differences in feel and sound exist from driver to putter.
Both golf balls are enjoyable to hit and deserve all points in this category.
On Course Performance, Tour X - 40/40 Points
On Course Performance, Tour - 25/40 Points
The Tour X was a solid performer all around. It gave up no distance, had a high ball flight and adequate spin for one-hop-and-stop shots into the green. I did not experience excessive spin off of the driver or irons. It plays very much like other high-compression balls I have used in the past.
The Tour excelled in the long game. It seemed to be a little longer than the Tour X off the driver, I suspect from less spin. It has a penetrating flight that is lower than the Tour X as well.
My biggest issue with the Tour was a general lack of spin on approach shots and around the greens. I struggled to hold greens with full wedge shots, but only on certain swings. The Tour seemed to be very inconsistent. One shot the ball would hop-and-stop and the next would kick off the back of the green. This made it very hard for me to play the Tour. By the end of testing I had no confidence hitting approach shots into greens.
While I do find the stock alignment aid to be chunky, I putted very well with both models. My distance control and accuracy seemed no worse during my testing period. It may have even improved.
Miscellaneous - 7/10 Points
I ran each dozen through my Check-Go-Pro device. The purpose of the C-G-P was to confirm the position of the factory CG/alignment stamp. My results were interesting as I had a handful of balls that seemed to deviate from the factory line. (The post with my full results is here.)
The CG stamp would be a big selling feature for me, as I C-G-P most of my golf balls. Either the Maxfli process or the C-G-P is wrong for some balls. Deducting three points here as I’m not sure what process to trust.
The balls also showed up personalized with our names. While a nice touch on Maxfli’s behalf, I tend to prefer anonymity when losing golf balls!
Game Bag or Shag Bag, Tour X - 15/20 Points
Game Bag or Shag Bag, Tour - 5/20 Points
The Tour X is a fantastic golf ball. I enjoyed my time playing it, and I think the ball would be good for many high swing speed players. Once Maxfli releases a yellow version for sale, I plan to buy at least two dozen to put into play. At $34.99 per dozen or cheaper on sale, the Tour X is a great value and every bit as good as higher-priced alternatives.
I enjoyed the long game characteristics and feel of the Tour. However, I was not happy with the inconsistency when hitting approaches into the greens. My remaining Tour balls will be heading to the shag bag. Or, I will pass them along to someone who doesn’t mind playing golf balls with my name on them. 🤣 The Tour might be a better fit for someone who plays a bump-and-run style of approach to most greens.
Final Score, Tour X - 90/100 Points
Final Score, Tour - 65/100 Points
Despite being a “house brand,” Maxfli is making some quality golf balls at excellent prices. The Tour X behaved exactly how I’d expect a high-compression, tour-level ball to behave. The durability of Maxfli’s proprietary cover is impressive (especially considering my testing efforts!). While I did not get along well with the Tour model, it could be a great ball for a different type of golfer.
Both models are worthy of inclusion in any listing of quality, urethane-covered golf balls.
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DriverBreaker reacted to Stuka44 in Final Reviews: BirdieBall Outdoor Putting Green
Stuka44: BirdieBall Outdoor Putting Green
Introduction 8-14-2021
Well everyone welcome to my first review since joining MGS. I'm excited to have been picked to test this product.
I'm 55 years old and have lived and play 99% of my golf in northeast Ohio. I play $30-$50 a round public courses as a general rule and have never belonged to a club. I have been golfing regularly since about 2008, but learned the game when I was 16 or so. I have never had a golf lesson, or club fitting of any kind. I am an avid golfer at this point, and golf mostly to spend time with two of my older brothers, who have recently picked the game up again after long layoffs. I play all year long here even January and February as long as there is no snow on the ground.
I am currently around a 14 handicap, and I am a very easy swinger of the golf club. In my younger years I always found myself using a less lofted club by one or two compared to those of similar age I was playing with. I don't mention that as a negative!, I have always been alright with this, "just let the club do the work" was and still is, and will continue to be my motto. My current putter is a Ping Scottsdale "Wolverine", and I wasn't fit. I just like the way it felt, and had never been successful with shoe, and blade type putters so I tried the mallet.
20210814_164813.mp4 My first impressions were good. The matt was bigger than I expected it to be, its 3'4" x 12 feet long, however finding a level enough spot outside wasn't to be so I set it up in my basement. It seems to be constructed well enough to certainly go outside.
The speed of it is quite good, and seems like it will translate well to the green speeds I play, (We'll see I guess that is part of the point of this). There is another single cup at the opposite end from the three. To the center cup you can comfortably practice 2-10 footers(painters tape along the edge), and add 6 inches to the side cups. The matt/cup is about 1/2" deep.
I'm going to be concentrating on what I read in Broadie's book "Every Shot Counts". Trying to concentrate on making a higher percentage of putts in the 3-10 foot range, more specifically 4,5,6, and 7 footers. I've never really been a practice guy, and rarely get to the course in time to practice putts or take a practice swing. Here are some of my putting numbers, based on 130 some rounds I have loaded into Free Golf Tracker(since 2008, some years I didn't enter many), which I hope to improve!!
My average putts/GIR is 2.2, and my average putts/PER HOLE is 1.9, and my current average putts per 18 is 33, and I average 2.9 3 putts per 18 holes. I'm hoping the BirdieBall Putting Green will improve my make percentage at 10 feet and under, and help reduce 3 putts overall at all distances. Only time, and PRACTICE, will tell!!!!
This last chart directly above represents the last 18 rounds I've played. For the last 18 rounds (not knowing anything about the BirdieBall Putting Matt test/ review) I began to pace off my First Putt Distance. And the Free Golf Tracker keeps track of 1, 2, and 3 putts for the distance you put in. What I would hope to see as I practice rolling putts on the BirdieBall is 1 Putt make percentage especially in the 3-10 foot range go up(Hopefully Substantially). STAY TUNED!
BirdieBall Outdoor Putting Green..Official MGS Forum Review by Stuka44(Don)
09-10-2021
Introduction
I was able to get in about 3-4 practice sessions a week, consisting of about 40 putts each session. Two each from 2-10 feet, and then another 6 each from 4, 5, 6, and 7 feet. I was able to get in 5 additional rounds of statistics for my putting since the Introductory post about the product. I did have improvement.
Quality of Components (8/10)
The BirdieBall mat (3'4" x 12') was packaged quite nicely and is not really too heavy. This being said I am not to sure I would want to have to move it a long way to put it away after each use, its kind of awkward, and I'm not sure how rolling it up and putting it back down would affect its flatness for use.
I noticed two very minor problems that I am classifying as "quality". The first was mentioned in previous comments and by another tester. One of my cups seems to have a little crown which causes a little break to the right. A little annoying but I just know to aim center to compensate on that one. The other issue is that the flags, and their bases which go into the 1'2" deep cups are very light. Let me make it clear that when putting to the cups with the flags in them, THEY NEVER FELL OVER, EVEN ON PRETTY FIRM PUTTS. My issue (and its mostly laziness on my part) is in retrieving the balls. Clearly they were designed to be lifted and the balls dumped like on a real practice green. I found that in doing this that the bases and flag would separate quite often, I glued mine finally. Then I tried just tapping the ball out of the cup with my putter. This is where the slightest bump of the flag and it would topple over. A little heavier base for the flagsticks would be nice.
Ease of Use (9/10)
The mat was very easy to use and its purpose was clear. The only problem I had here was that in order to get the maximum distance for a practice putt, I found that I needed to remove the bumpers on the end I was putting from eventually. For me if I tried to place a ball within a foot of the top edge pictured below, that my backswing would contact the rear bumper. I also like to make a few putts from as close to the edge as I could get( and putt across the green so to speak) from as far away as I could get, so I removed the side bumpers as well on the end I was putting from.
Basic Characteristics (17/20)
I have never had any sort of actual home golf practice item. I've always only ever practiced on my various carpet weaves for putting practice. The BirdieBall putting mat most definitely encouraged me to practice. The fact that it was quite quick, and looks like an actual putting green seemed to encourage me that what I did on it, would actually apply on a real course. That feeling in hindsight was clearly lacking when in winter mostly I would try practicing on my carpet. Quickly I would feel that putting on the carpet wasn't going to do me any good. The quickness of the first few putts, and smooth roll very quickly got me thinking this would help my putting. The variety of this version of BirdieBall mat was good. Its length provided the ability to practice about 10.5 foot putts at a maximum, and clearly shorter putts. Again having read some books and other material, prior to getting this mat, I had determined that I needed to practice putts mostly in the 8 foot and less range, as a means to improving my scores a little more. So the opportunity to review this mat fit right in with what I was planning to do. I did notice some improvement quickly. I noticed after making 120 or so practice putts that my stroke seemed much more consistent, and mentally making putts but trying to get them past the hole without striking the bumper behind the holes was great for distance control. Something I hadn't ever really paid attention to in practicing intermittently before a round. The tight weave and quick speed of the mat was very good, after having used it for a while the width of it was a little restricting for me.
On Course Performance (27/30)
At almost every distance of putts, my one putt make percentage improved after the limited duration of practice I was able to get in, and the numbers as indicated earlier are just 5 additional rounds to the total. I would expect that with continued practice and adding of rounds that the numbers would continue to improve.
The top chart was the original 18 rounds, and the bottom is newest with the five additional rounds added to the totals. One putt make percentage went up at 6,7, and 8 feet. I was surprised at 4 and 5 feet. 4 feet was only 1 additional putt that I missed since the one putt percentage went down, and 5 feet was 7 additional putts, and the 1 putt percentage went down there. I would note and this is not an excuse, but it is kind of ironic. The last round I played I had to use my brothers putter(and it is not identical to mine) because my putter was leaning in the basement next to the putting matt. I also noticed that at almost every distance beyond 8 feet the 3 putt percentage for almost every distance is going down.
I expect that continued practice will improve 1 putt make percentage. But what I noticed most importantly though is that on these critical distances 10 feet and less is that all of the practice strokes I have made on the mat(which is pretty quick) has improved my stroke and distance control to a point where I'm not really concerned with making a horrible stroke and leaving an 8 footer 4 feet short, or blowing a 6 footer 5 feet past the hole. The practice on the BirdieBall mat has really helped me mentally to be confident in my stroke, also on 10-20 footers, and while not really expecting to make them based on make percentages, I'm putting them to try and make them without really being concerned about making a horrible putt. I guess I'm trying to say I am putting to make them confident in a two putt, and not putting this distance of putt exclusively not to 3 putt, if that makes any sense!
Final Performance Comments:
A minor issue with it is that I really don't see the need for the cup on the opposite end from the 3. Although I have the grass insert in this cup hole, it just impedes my ability to putt from as long as possible to the center hole on the other end. and in regards the the 3 cup end I would like to see at least one of them be very close to the rear edge to maximize the distance of the mat.
Miscellaneous (9/10)
The only thing I think I would like better would be to have the green be wider, so when putting from the edge you could be standing on the mat, and wider would provide a little opportunity to put "across" the grain so to speak. From the right edge to the left cup, and vice versa.
Keep it or Trade It (20/20)
I would definitely keep it. As a largely non-practice golfer the putting green is very good. It represents a quick putting surface, which in the big scheme of things I have practiced on for only a very short time has improved my performance and attitude over my putts. It seems very durable so if it holds up as promoted, and lasts a long time then I believe it would be worth the cost. This is for every golfer. I only wish I had put some effort into practicing my putting earlier in my golf career, especially realizing how just a little practice has helped me. Repetition of my putting stroke on the BirdieBall green has transferred directly to the course and has me on the way to continued improvement.
Conclusion
The BirdieBall Outdoor putting green seems to be very well made. The durability obviously can only be judged over a much longer period of time than available. The practice you can do on it, given its speed, does help you on actual putts on the course, and I believe will without question help you putt better. This last point is a tough one which I want to address in this conclusion if this is all you read of my review. Cost! This 3'4" x 12' version is listed at $455. If you are someone who loves to "practice" the game of golf, like my brother, who stops at the driving range 3-4 times a week, then I think this would be well worth it. Just being honest if you are someone like me who plays but doesn't love to practice really, I'm not sure I would spend that much on it, without seeking out some comparison prices for similar products. This is not a bash of the product it is top notch, but $455 is a lot of money.
FINAL SCORE (90/100)
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DriverBreaker reacted to daviddvm in Final Reviews: BirdieBall Outdoor Putting Green
BirdieBall Outdoor Putting Mat
Stage One
Hi guys and gals I’m David Kleck. I live with my wife and daughter in La Porte Texas, a small city inside the Houston metroplex right on the Galveston Bay. I’m a practicing veterinarian and avid golfer. It has been since last year’s CobraConnect Challenge 4 since I’ve been honored to be part of a review here on MGS. I‘ve played golf on and off most of my life but I have played consistently once or twice a week since 2007. My natural swing is a cut and my big miss has always been to the right. But over the last three years as I’ve become a better student of the game ( with the help of MGS ) my game has straightened out quite a bit. My current USGA handicap is 10.8. I use Arccos Caddie to track my shots and analyze my data to help me to know what areas of my game need the most work. Current state of my game.
As you can see, putting is a strong suit of my game. But there is always room for improvement. Will a BirdieBall putting mat help me improve? Let’s find out. I have always wanted a putting green or mat in my backyard and now that dream has come true!
My BirdieBall boxes arrived! Let’s get to unpacking.
Goodies from the small box!
Two strike pads, two targets, and a bucket of birdieballs.
Foam backing on strikepad allows you to play off concrete or grass.
Instructions
Target options
Other stuff BirdieBall makes.
And now let’s open the big box!
Yeah baby let’s get this set up.
Yes I want that too!
Not sure what this is?
Everything out of the boxes.
Ready for action!
My initial impressions of these products are that they appear to be of good substance and will have reasonable durability. The products were very well packaged and arrived without any damage or blemishes. Will practicing frequently on a quality putting mat conveniently positioned on my back porch improve my putting stats? Will BirdieBall practice in my backyard improve my short game? I can’t wait to give this a try!
The official review
After putting on this mat for over a month, I never want to do without an at home practice area ever again!
It is I think a huge advantage to know that you can putt the ball straight. This mat is solid and consistent even on my back porch in the Houston summer heat. I have seen no decrease in playability of this mat over the course of this test what so ever. We all know that over time everything ages due to environmental factors and use over time. Quality products age slowly and this mat hasn't worn at all.
Quality of Components 5/5
If you cannot set this practice mat up, well, you should not be playing golf the most difficult game in the world!
Ease of Use 5/5
The basic characteristics of this mat are fairly simple, simulate a putt on a green that if you hit it straight at the right speed the ball will go in the hole. This mat does that in the majority of the time and you can really gain confidence in your short straight putting game. Also you can discover, as I did, that hitting ball straight is not as easy as you might have thought. When you spend much time on a mat 3 feet by 12 feet you soon figure out that there are a few subtle breaks or grains that affect the roll of the ball. After that you should roll almost every ball in the hole. I was not doing that at first and that made me realize I needed to make some changes in my putting stroke to correct my alignment. That correction for me was to change my hand and wrist placement to what some refer to as walking the dog putting grip...and that is working for me.
Basic Characteristics 5/5
The on course results is what it is all about for me! I take pride in my golf game and at the same time I know I don't make a living playing golf. I measure my game against folks that play once or twice a week like I do. If I can improve just a little bit because of some simple, CONVENIENT, practices I can do at home that help my golf game...what a value that is.
Okay that is a minor improvement in my putting stats. But I can tell you my confidence has increased greatly. I get over putts that I just wanted to get close that now I feel I should make! And now the elephant in the room...nearly 6 point handicap drop in short game!
Thank you Birdieball for including a bucket of birdieballs and 2 strike plates and 2 targets with my putting mat. My biggest weakness throughout my golfing life is now becoming a strength!
On Course Performance putting matt 4/5
On Course Performance BirdieBalls 5/5
A putting mat has limitations and your expectations of a 3 foot by 12 foot putting mat have to be reasonable. You cannot develop lag putting skills on a mat of this size, I don't think you can learn to read greens on a small putting mat, and you cannot learn the affects of the grain of grass on a putting mat. But if you can start the ball on your intended path you give yourself a great chance of making more putts.
Miscellaneous 3/5
For me to have a convenient way to practice golf is the only way I can expect to improve at the game I love. I'm a busy practicing veterinarian with a daughter who is a high school cheer leader and plays on the tennis team. I have obligations outside of golf! Birdieball outdoor putting mat is here to stay! I love having the putting mat on my back porch.
Keep it or Trade it 5/5
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DriverBreaker reacted to Thin2win in Final Reviews: BirdieBall Outdoor Putting Green
Hello boys and girls. Its time for another thoroughly in depth golf item review. Since joining these forums a few years ago I have really enjoyed testing and reviewing almost anything golf related. I've written up posts on, golf balls, clubs, putters, wedges, tees and a onewheel.
This summer has been a whirlwind for me and it is just starting to settle down. I've been in the process of selling/and buying a home, moving across a state and being homeless while between houses for 3 weeks. Yet still trying to get as much golf in as the wife will let me given everything else going on. The Birdie Ball test kit arrived at my new house before I even did!
I am super excited to be selected to test out this new indoor/outdoor putting mat. I have owned a couple of the generic 8' mats with the elevated cups for basically ever. I have hours and hours of practice using them and a updated better version would be a welcome addition to my golf practice. Is this new mat that?
So over the next few weeks, I'll be testing this mat indoors and out. I'll see what I think of the quality, the durability and if Birdie Ball has created a great putting mat, or just a great dog bed(notice Stevie, our Wirehaired Pointing Griffin, thinks it is a nearly optimal blend of cushion and scratchiness).
Also for the first time in one of my tests, I am enrolling the help of my assistant Xander and he is very excited:
There is a lot going on with this, as I was not expecting the outdoor targets and birdie balls to also test. Fortunately, my new house has a back yard that is almost 200' in length so I will get to test them out with some real swings. Any guesses on which club will clear the fence at 200'? Will any of them?
But for the mat, my big concerns are if it rolls like a nicely manicured green at Augusta, or a early evening Poa annua green at Chambers Bay(sorry chambers bay). It also came with a warning to not let it exceed 180° F, and while every part of me wants to test that... I feel like I should leave that one alone... but maybe
But the biggest question for me, does the Birdie Ball Mat make for a better practice tool than ye ole' felt ramp mat?
Let the putting begin!
Stage Two - The Review 9/10/2021
Birdieball Matt – Official MGS Forum Review by Thin2Win (Christopher Stefaniw)
Intro
Testing a practice aid is different than testing an actual club, ball or other product. But for me, it still boils down to 2 big things:
1) Does it work for me?
2) Is it fun to use?
If either of those ingredients are missing, I’m not going to use it. And I would guess that for most of you out there, you are in the same camp. It does need to work, and it does need to be fun. When I ask “does it work for me”, I’m really asking if I think using it is beneficial to my game. Even if it is just on a psychological level, that counts for me. 😃
The “is it fun to use”, well that’s straight forward, regardless of results, I’m not going to keep using it if it isn’t “fun”. What is a training aid I use and keep using? PuttOut. Its simple, easy to use, is fun, and even if only in confidence, helps with putting.
So as we dive into the details of my review, those 2 tenets are the focus for me.
Ease of use
The actual setup and use of this is straight forward. And other than attaching the bumpers(see below) it all went together quick, easy, and exactly how I thought.
8 out of 10 points
Quality of components and Basic Characteristics
Here, I needed to adjust the review format a bit. There is normally a Quality of Component section, and a Basic Characteristic section. For my use and testing, I couldn’t come up with a way to split my review of those two up as they were so intertwined. So here, I merged them. Please see why below.
Taking the mat out of the box you can feel the heft quality of it, its solid. We had the 3’6” x12’ version for testing, and it was not light. I’m not sure I would have been able to move the 6’x12’ version without help. It rolled out of the box… mostly flat. Definitely flatter than when you unroll the standard 8’ felt putting mats I’ve used. But not actually flat. It took most of a day for it to lay down all the way. Right off I started using it on some indoor hardwoods. Then I moved it to indoor carpet, next to indoor/outdoor cement and then finally I put it straight on my lawn. It looks cool, it takes up a good amount of space and I was very excited to start putting on it. As with most things, there were good and bad things. Unfortunately for me, the bad was bad and the good was limited.
Let’s start with The Good:
● It’s a great hitting mat, I hit some chips off it last week, then moved to full swing shots this week. It is durable, it feels good, and the turf interaction is great. It was the highlight of my use with this mat. I’m not sure where they get these mats, but it feels and looks like a premium hitting mat that has been cut into a longer form.
● The Mat rolls fast. Much faster than a felt putting mat, and I liked that. Faster than a standard weekday muni around here. More like a Sunday muni or a well kept private course speed. 10ish on the meter would be my feel for the speed.
The Bad
● The rubber bumpers that are included don’t really work and suck to put on. Balls with any pace bounce right over them. I’m not sure what their primary design use was for, but I can’t imagine that it was for this application. More like they needed a bumper and went to the local hardware store, found a rubber seal for something else and thought, “this will work”. I moved the mat a handful of times throughout testing, after the 2nd move I stop using the bumpers because they don’t stay attached, and again, suck to put on.
● The cups that came with it have never fit right. The plastic cup slides in from the bottom, but with my mat all the cups were slightly larger than the cutout holes. This creates a raised ridge around every cup. Any putt that was slowly heading towards the cup would deflect away. Also, the sticks that go into the cups are very short. Like, very short. I’m not tall, 5’7”, and the leaning over to reach the stick to pull it out was annoying to the point that I also stopped using them. It was much easier on my back to use my putter to knock the ball out of the hole than to use the provided stick. Also, on any of the harder surfaces (wood/cement) the ball would bounce out of the hole on most putts. Yes, they make an additional mat to put under this mat… but that is a different product to help make this product better.
● The putting surface itself had uneven heights of material running the length of it that resulted in ridges that the ball would ricochet off. Putts need to go straight down it, not diagonal at all. Which limits the need for it to be as wide as it is. And as the ball slowed down, it would break like Poa Annua late on a summer afternoon. In other words, wherever it wanted. Combined with the ridges around the cups…. It was frustrating to use as a putting surface. My wife used it one night for about 3 minutes, turned to me and said “this is disappointing” and never used it again.
10 out of 30 points
On-Course Performance
So as much as I had issues and was mostly annoyed with it. I still spent more time practicing my putting with it for the purposes of seeing if the ridges would ever go away or the grain would roll smooth on a different surface. And for me, any time spent practicing does pay off. And maybe the fact that putts had to be exactly on pace and line to go in made it even more effective than if the ball rolled straight and stayed in the hole. PuttOut is fun because of how hard it is, maybe this mat being so hard for me to use is what helped. But my putting has been dead on from anything inside 10’ for the last month with rounds of 75,73 and 75.
30 out of 30 points
Miscellaneous
Also included with the mat were some Birdie Balls(100!!!) some impact hitting pads for them, and some outdoor targets.
If you haven’t ever hit a BirdieBall, and you have an outdoor hitting area that you want to take full swings, watch the flight pattern, but not blow out the neighbor’s windows, then they are for you. They are the best limited flight golf ball I’ve ever used. Hitting into a net? Eh, just use a real ball.
10 out of 10 points
Keep it or Trade it?
Yes!
Right now, I don’t know. I have plenty of space at my place, so I have it setup. And I still roll a few putts on it most nights… But I also have the standard ramp style felt one beside it, and I end up using that more. The ball coming back to you, rolling straight, etc. Its just easier to use and you get more reps in with a ball return.
Do I want it to be cool and have friends marvel at it and want to use it when they visit, yes… I’ll probably pass this off to one of the other spies who I have lined up and know need help with their putting( @fixyurdivot )but I’ll use it until then. But I won’t be sad to see it go when it does.
10 out of 20 points
Conclusion
Its cool, practicing on it will help with putting because you are practicing. But it has issues with roll and component choices. For me, I don’t think it is an improvement over the ramp felt style mats. Using it reminds me of when I watched Mad Men. They had Jaguar as a customer, and Jags were sleek and stylish, and everyone wanted one. But then you go to drive it and it wouldn’t start.
Final Score: (68 out of 100 points)
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DriverBreaker reacted to DStar in Final Reviews: PuttOUT Golf Training System
PuttOUT - Official MSG Forum Review by Steve Davies (DStar)
2nd August 2021
Into
I’ve been testing the PuttOUT large mat, pressure putt & alignment stick set for nearly a month. After a few evenings of initial testing to see what worked for me I came up with six tests/practice routines that I would use to complete the review.
These included using the gates & alignment sticks and the dreaded ‘Perfect Putt’.
The results can be found here: PuttOUT Test Results
Each session took around an hour to do and my aim was three sessions a week.
I have also recorded my progress when playing on the course but these numbers only give an indication of my number of putts per hole/round as I don’t have any data on putt distances but we have some really tough greens and, on some, a 2-putt is a welcome number.
Quality of components - 9
All of the products on test were very nicely packaged, clear/crisp graphics with instructions on use printed on each item. The individual items all felt well made and, as a set, blended really nicely together.
On opening the packaging the parts felt really nice. As an engineer by trade I am particularly interested in quality of fit and finish and, overall, this was excellent. The only issue in this area was with the alignment plane - when the sticks were inserted I found that they did not line up perfectly with the holes in the gates, it would fit but needed a little persuasion.
I had no issues with any items breaking or becoming unusable and I had my mat set up in our conservatory which gets very hot and I experienced no issues with the mat losing shape.
I really liked the bag for the alignment stick set as all of the components fitted well with a pocket on either side for a gate/feet set - very nicely thought out!
Ease of Use - 9
I’m a typical man! New stuff, take it out of the box and try to put it together..
The pressure putt is simple to use, folds out nicely and I liked the aluminium button for the perfect putt target.
The gates & feet go together and it’s obvious how these fit.
The alignment set took a little time to work out but then I read the instructions - easy peasy!
The mat rolled out flat 1st time and stayed flat throughout the test. I did hoover it before use, every time.
Basic Characteristics - 18
I found that as soon as the PuttOUT kit arrived I couldn't wait to try it. Having never used any training aids before I was keen to get it set up ASAP.
I still really enjoy the challenge of improving my putting and I am seeing some really good improvements in my game as a result of using the PuttOUT set regularly which means I will continue to use this equipment.
The tests I devised are working for me and, going forward, I will look to add in different tests to keep the practice interesting. I can see that doing the same thing over and over may lead to less use but I think there are enough options to keep me coming back.
I found that the mat is quite good for short chip shot practice too although I would use an old mat or piece of astroturf to chip off as I'm not sure how much use the mat could take.
20210801_104259_001.mp4 I may add in a mirror as an alternative aid and will take the gates & pressure putt to the course to use on the practice greens to help improve further.
After a few hours of use I could really feel and see how my stroke and distance control was improving - this was backed up by my results on the course too.
It started to become obvious which putts were good and which were bad. The repetition has really made a difference to my putting stroke.
On the whole I found the kit easy to use and quite intuitive in how it can help improve my game.
I did find that the alignment plane didn’t really work for me but others may find that it does. I can appreciate the idea but found a better way, for me, to use the gates/sticks to help with my alignment.
On Course Performance - 30
I really do think that doing this test/review has made a huge difference to my confidence with the putter.
I now stand over the ball without the dread of not really knowing what I’m doing. I can line up the putt, make a good stroke and have faith that I’m doing it right.
I may not get the read right but the stroke is feeling so much better.
The numbers in my data don’t really show the full story as it’s hard to achieve a perfect putt. As long as I was scoring 5 or more on each test I was happy as that meant I had, effectively, holed the putt I was aiming for - a perfect putt was a bonus.
All of the kit on test performed flawlessly and I think that PuttOUT have produced a well thought out system that works well together (or on their own too).
One thing I would change would be to have two different sized gates as this could further increase the difficulty to help improve accuracy.
Personally, I wouldn’t buy the alignment plane. I would be happy with a pair of gates and sticks as, for me, these were the best aids in that particular set.
Did it help improve my scores? Even if the figures don’t show it I would say, without doubt, that this has improved my scores. Putting is a hard thing to quantify as it could be 2 putts from 8 feet or 2 putts from 30. We have large, undulating greens and I’m finding I am much less likely to 3-putt than I was before. I’m lagging long putts to a couple of feet for easy tap-ins much more regularly and I feel confident that I can do that on most putts.
Miscellaneous - 8
I thought the whole package was a very well thought out set. All of the items can be used together or separately which gives a lot of scope for finding the best way to use them for different people.
Everything came well packaged and presented and feels high quality.
Keep it or trade it - 18
On the whole I believe the improvements in my putting make this a sound buy. I will definitely be keeping it as part of my ongoing practice as I try to improve my game.
The items represent good value for money, maybe a little highly priced if I was buying but it is all very good quality kit. The mat, in particular, seems very durable and consistent as a putting mat should be.
I think the gates and sticks go well together but would add the plane as an option as it didn’t work for me.
I would also have two different sized gates rather than both the same size as that would give some variation on difficulty and further help with accuracy practice.
I would also change the printing on the mat slightly. As most people would probably use known distances I would change the small lines (either side of the 1’ markers) to have rings that are the same size as the gate feet. This would make it easier to line up the gates with the central line.
Who would benefit from this set? Me for a start! I think that any golfer looking to improve their putting would find these products very useful.
Conclusion
Overall this has been a great test. I’ve found the products easy and fun to use and will continue to use them. They can be tucked away fairly easily and the reinforced mat bag is a great touch as is the alignment stick set with pockets to keep all the bits safe.
The perfect putt is so hard to get but so satisfying when you do and it’s showing it’s worth on the course which is where it matters.
Thanks to MGS for choosing me for this test/review and if you need any information do get in touch.
Final Score - 92
Well done PuttOUT on a great product...
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Introduction
I’m Michael and I’m a first-time tester for MGS. I play most of my golf at Werribee Park Golf Club, which is west of Melbourne, Australia (Down Under!). It’s a brilliant part of the world to play golf and has one of the best views from the clubhouse of any course I’ve been to. I also venture out to other golf courses about 4-8 times per year; one of the best was playing Curlewis (close to where my in-laws live) after being invited by @Peaksy68.
A typical view of Australian golf in the middle of winter.
View from the clubhouse
I have been playing golf since I was 14, so have been playing for 20 years. Up until the last 3 years I haven’t had a regular playing schedule, but now it’s weekly. I’ve been able to go from an 18 handicap down to 8 in those 3 years. Typically, I gain strokes from driving, lose a little from approach and short, then putting is a small gain. Lately I’ve been driving terribly but my short game has been better than normal; skewing my recent averages.
Current 10 round averages - Overall stats are vs 8 Handicap, Putting vs 5 handicap (gives a testing baseline of 0.0)
My golfing is mainly on Saturday mornings, and I don’t usually have much of an opportunity to practice during the week. With the PuttOUT equipment I’ll be able to practice putting at home without having to go to a dedicated facility. It looks like a good range of equipment to make sure my putting is top notch. This should combine well with an AimPoint session I did recently. I’ve found it useful for reading greens.
First Impressions
In our box of goodies we received a Premium Pressure Putt Trainer (titanium white and dark grey – a colour combo that doesn’t seem to be on the online shop), a large putting mat (3.7m x 0.66m or 12ft x 3ft), and a Putting Plane Alignment Stick Set. I haven’t seen the packaging on the other colours of the Pressure Putt Trainers, but the silver band at the bottom of the packaging would be a nice colour pop to match the different colours of the trainers.
Packaging - The packaging is quite nice, with clear indications about what each item is for and links to ideas for how to use the equipment. I noticed how the packages could be merchandised both on a shelf standing up, or on a hook – a nice touch. There aren’t excessive amounts of packaging so it’s easy to get everything out. One minor issue is on the top of the Alignment Stick Set’s packaging. The closing tab detaches with an unsatisfying tear rather than a clean detachment. It’s an incredibly minor criticism, but it would make the user’s experience a little nicer.
Pressure Putt Trainer Packaging - I hope the silver band at the bottom changes with the colour of the product.
Alignment Stick Set Packaging with carry bag
Top of the Alignment Stick Set packaging - has unsatisfying tearing
Storage - Living in an apartment, I can’t permanently setup any golfing equipment, so the thought the designers have put into easily putting away each product seems to be very useful. I have a 4 x 4 set of Kallax shelves in my office and a golf area in the wardrobe for storing my gear. I think that I will be able to easily take out and put away all elements of the kit. The mat comes with a storage bag to keep it neatly rolled up when not in use. The way the Pressure Putt Trainer and the Putting Plane Alignment Stick Set fold up is ideal to fit into my golf storage area. A big tick for consideration of storage.
Easy to find places to store both the Pressure Putt Trainer and the Alignment Stick Set
Unrolling mat - For the test period I’ll be continually rolling and unrolling the mat to use it. First impressions are that the mat is thick, has plenty of different markings for different activities, and the edges are highly reinforced. It looks like it will last a long time. Only issue is that the centre of the roll doesn’t lie flat. Maybe that’s because it’s brand new and needs to relax (who am I to criticise for not relaxing), or maybe it’s just physics of rolling up a mat. It’s doesn’t really affect the performance of the matt, but I’ll see how it goes over time.
Matt rolled out - plenty of markings and a decent length that can fit in my living room
The centre of the mat doesn't lay flat. Will see if it just takes some time to relax
Assembling Alignment Stick Set - There are plenty of pieces that look like will enable a variety of different putting activities. All the parts disassemble and have a dedicated storage area in the bag, so it’s easy to pack away and keep all the bits. The small rubber tube that enables the two alignment sticks to be joined is a nice touch. I like the idea of the gates to give immediate feedback about starting line, but having the alignment sticks to ensure that the equipment is lined up properly is a nice feature.
The Alignment Stick Set allows many options and disassembles for storage. Pocket is for the gate parts.
Use of extended alignment stick ensures ball, gate, and target are aligned (sticks sag but are straight along putt line)
Goals for testing
My 10 round average for strokes gained putting is currently sitting at 0.0 against a 5 handicap, so I think a good goal for putting success would be to get it to +1.0, but any improvement will be worth it. I’ll post updated stats after any round I play to see how I’m progressing.
With my practice I want to make improve my ability to start my ball on my intended line, with appropriate pace. I really want to try out the variety of possible activities that can be done with the gear, as this will help with keeping practice fresh (putting practice can easily get stale) and evaluating how the gear can help you to develop a repeatable, accurate stroke. If there are any drills you want me to try out to see if they’re possible with the gear, please let me know in a comment.
With my reviewing, I used all of the different elements of our sets over different weeks. I started with just the mat and the Pressure Putt Trainer, then used the Alignment Stick Set with more regularity later on.
Quality of components (10 out of 10 points)
For all 3 elements of the set, the products are made well, have quality materials, and are well put together. As identified in my initial impressions, I could only fault some very minor packaging experience issues.
Ease of use (10 out of 10 points)
With the Pressure Putt Trainer and the putting mat, it was obvious what the purposes of each product were. With the Alignment Stick Set, it’s a more complex product. There are many more applications and combinations the product can be used in, so some were not initially obvious. This was solved with informative packaging with examples of the different ways the products can be setup.
Basic Characteristics (17 out of 20 points)
Starting with the mat, it does everything you would want from an indoor practice mat. It rolls at a green-like speed, has assorted targets and alignment lines for practice. It makes a great base to build putting practice from.
With the Pressure Putt Trainer, having the smaller target meant I was able to focus with greater detail. It also meant that I had a more difficult goal that a standard hole size; great for rehearsing putts inside 6 feet. By having the goal of the perfect speed and line to nestle in the target, it was rehearsing starting the ball on line, with appropriate pace, and made practice interesting with the satisfying “plop” into the small target.
With the Alignment Stick Set, its fundamental purpose is to rehearse starting the ball on line. Sadly, with all the arrangements there was only loose feedback that I was starting my putts on line. The gates were much wider than a golf ball and can’t be narrowed for making tighter pass/go for starting putts on line. As I stated in the mid-review comments, by having multiple slots in the round rubber feet, the difficulty for starting on line could be changed.
On-Course Performance (## out of 30 points)
For my review, it’s impossible to evaluate on course performance; public health orders where I live prevented golf being played during the review period. I had one round on the 31st of August, but with 50km/h winds (31 miles) my poor putting stats were influenced more by the conditions than any practice I had done with the products.
So sadly, I’m going to have to ignore this part in my scoring of the products. I’ll revisit this in about a month and update this.
Miscellaneous (10 out of 10 points)
The strongest characteristic of all the products in our set is the quality of materials and finish. They don’t really affect the ability of the products to help your golf game but if you’re spending money on products, it’s better if they’re well-presented. For example, the Pressure Putt Trainer’s materials have a nice matt finish, the putting mat has reinforcement around the perimeter of the mat and a thicker base layer than others I’ve seen on the market, and the stainless steel in the Alignment Stick Set gives it a premium feel.
The other area of strength for all products was the thought put into how they are packed away for easy and small storage. The bag with multiple pockets on the Alignment Stick Set where every part had a place is well thought out. As a result, all the products take up minimal space in a closet.
Keep it or Trade it? (14 out of 20 points)
Putting Mat – keep. It does everything a putting mat should. Rolls up, rolls truly, can be vacuumed occasionally to keep it clean, and has a range of useful markings. Technically I’m not going to keep this one, but a friend is buying a Medium mat and then we are trading. The medium mat will fit my home better.
Pressure Putt Trainer – keep. This is a unique product in the putting practice market; providing a little reward for making a perfect putt but also indicating made putts. With the added convenience of it being able to fold away neatly when not in use, the different colour options, and its suitability for people who aren’t “golfers”, it’s a real winner.
Alignment Stick Set – trade. I really wanted to like this product, but I just didn’t find it useful. I tried all the different setups that it can do, and none of them convincingly aided starting the putt on line, and the product is not designed to train correct speed. I’m sure there will be someone who thoroughly disagrees with me who will love it though. It is a well-made product that you can tell has been thought about in design, but it just doesn’t gel with me.
Conclusion
I thank both PuttOUT and MGS for giving me the opportunity to review these products. The process really got me thinking about putting practice, and was the trigger for some enlightening discussions with the professionals at the facilities I go to. Overall, I commend PuttOUT for the quality of materials, construction, finish, and storage of their products. You can tell they have gone to great effort to get this right. For the Putting Mat and Pressure Putt Trainer, these are great products that I think help to keep my practice fresh and improve my putting. I want to practice more with these two products. Whilst the Alignment Stick Set is a well-made product, I didn’t find it useful to get my putts starting on line. I'm thinking of modelling and 3D printing some custom feet for my Alignment Stick Set.
Final Score: (61 out of 70 points)