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I'm not a talented enough golfer to contribute to this thread maybe as intended, but thought I would give my input.
I also prefer to play 9 holes at a time and typically shoot around a 46 so I'm about 6 shots worse than you. I've had a golf club acquisition problem over the years and have put into play over the past few years:
G15 - I have had them for years, but despite the size do not strike them consistently well. I think it is because of the wide soles and my picker "brush the grass" type of impact position. I still have these. I keep thinking after bad stretches that these may be the answer to my problem, but they never are.
718 AP1 - I was fit for these, but they did not work on the course at all. I'm not sure why. I suffered with inconsistent golf and eventually flipped them end of 2019.
716 AP2 - I liked these. They look/feel good. There was a distance penalty, but loft-for-loft I think these did ok. I flipped them end of 2019, maybe I should have kept them. The 4i/5i were inconsistent though and needed hybrid replacement. I think this line of iron is a good compromise.
MP4 - These are the prettiest of the bunch and have great feel. Mine are shafted with XP 105 R300 so the shaft is reasonable for my skill also. I think my inconsistency is a little bit worse than with the AP2s, but the good shots made me feel like I was playing real golf. I still have these.
TE Forged - I bought these early 2020 with a lower flight shaft (DG R300) due to reports of the launch being very high. They feel good and are reasonably sized. I'm only ok with these down to a 6 iron also. Maltby MPF rates these very highly, measurements show MOI is quite a bit less than AP2 but the COG is farther from the hosel.'' I still have these. The shaft may be a bit much and I think I benefit by going lighter.
0211 - I bought these used off PXG Express after the season for what I thought was a great deal and plan to play them this year. They are a little bit bigger than the TE Forged, but are hollow/filled and I'm getting a little bit better distance loft-for-loft on my Mevo. The feel is still quite good. I haven't gotten them on the course yet.
What's the take away from all of this? Scores differ very little. Smaller irons have more "disaster" potential at my skill level and if my swing is God awful on a particular day I may really struggle. It is possible the really good rounds are helped with a more precise iron. I seem to do much worse with a very wide sole, but ideally a little bit of help still.
Personally, I think irons do not make that big of a difference.
Dave
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Did you iron shafts make the club too flat because of a length difference? Or maybe the swing weight was too light?
Dave
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I get good ball speed from the ST190 driver, but am suffering from gear effect on heel side misses. GIven I'm seeing some out-to-in path already, the gear effect miss makes the driver unplayable. Back to the K15.
Dave
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Fairways seem to be the club that a lot of golfers will keep in the bag that is much older than the rest of their clubs. It can be hard to find a fairway that you get along with, if you fare well with your current one definitely don't trade it in when you get a different one!
Dave
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Has it been the same shaft type that has broken each year?
Dave
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I much prefer twilight. Courses are typically not crowded and its much easier to go out as a single.
Dave
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What is your definition of very low? The Maltby Playability Factor measurements have data for CoG. They don't measure sole width though.
Quite a few of the older players irons have low COG and thin sole.
Dave
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7 woods can work great for some, they are good for a high approach shot to the green. I think you run into trouble if it starts ballooning. I think hybrids are better for the average guy.
Dave
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I picked up a Louisville Golf Tour Classic 2 wood with True Temper TT Lite shaft at Nevada Bob's in Madison for $10 a couple years back, but have only used it for hitting balls at the range. I think it'd be fun to give it a go on the course, but would need some more practice first to see if I can tame it.
It is interesting this is the Kirkland Signature golf ball thread. Do you find that you need to use softer golf balls with the persimmon?
Dave
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I really like using mine outdoors hitting into a golf net. I'm fortunate that I have a farmer's field behind my house so if one misses it is less of a deal.
Dave
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10 hours ago, NRJyzr said:
I did find it worked surprisingly well with driver, in terms of distance, though that comes with the caveat that I'm playing persimmons.
Sorry for going too far off topic, but I think it's awesome you are playing the persimmons. Do you find old clubs for bargains or are you finding them in better condition? Are these steel shafted?
Dave
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59 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:
Golf manufacturers are in the business of selling clubs. The consumer has the choice to buy or not buy. If they don’t buy the manufacturer stops making the product because there’s no market for it. If a consumer chooses to not educate themselves on product that’s not an issue, it’s a choice and it doesn’t apply just to golf.
There are members in various forums that are more educated on club designs, lofts and golf i general than the average consumer. They also buy these products because it’s makes the game easier and more enjoyable.
Everyone complaining about manufacturer and fitter being deceptive all seem to forget as technology changes designs change and when designs change specs change. The clubs from the 60s are different than the 50s, the 70/ from the 60s and so on. Unless you back to the day golf started you aren’t playing traditional lofts and you are playing traditional balls, you aren’t dressing traditionally.
It simple don’t like something don’t buy it, don’t want to use something don’t use it, don’t like a certain style piece of clothing don’t wear it. Don’t Iike a certain color shoe don’t wear them.
I'm just expressing my opinion. If you disagree that's fine.
Dave
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Enjoy the clubs.
Dave
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14 minutes ago, Wedgie said:
Okay, I quickly hit 3 shots with the jacked loft Launchers. No warm up just hit 3 shots quickly with each club. To me spin and descent angles are pretty good.
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Nice, thanks for sharing the numbers. Seems like 8 and 9 iron has big gap, but the numbers are good. Enjoy the game!
Dave
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1 hour ago, Retrogolfer36 said:
So, is it about marketing? Yes. Is it ALL marketing? I used to think so but I dont so much anymore because Ive seen how jacked lofts have allowed me to play the best golf of my life as Im nearing age 40. Ive also seen by playing vintage clubs what a game changer it can be, if you know how to use it.
I just turned 40 a few months ago. I feel great at 40. I've been hitting the exercise bike hard and feel like I'm in much better shape than I was at 35. Being 40 is ok
Dave
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21 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:
What’s deceptive?
The knowledgeable consumer on any product is going to do some research, make an informed decision, some will do more than others but some form of research will be done.
The ones who don’t know better are probably also the ones who don’t care about lofts, materials used, don’t care about cg location. They want a club that goes farther than the one they have. They don’t care how it does it or why.
none of this is unique to golf.
In my opinion the golf manufacturer's strategy is to continue to make the launch monitor demo irons stronger lofted over time to demonstrate to the golfer, "This 7 iron goes longer than yours!". I'm not saying it is outright deceptive, but it isn't necessarily honest either. There's a lot of people who aren't knowledgeable enough to understand 7 irons vary greatly.
The golf companies have to drive sales to make money for their shareholders. I get that. Personally, I'm not interested in those clubs but have nothing against those who are.
Dave
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Manufacturers do it because it sells clubs. Are they selling to knowledgeable customers or people who don't know better? Probably a mix of both. There's definitely a level of deception at play in my opinion. Consumers need to be knowledgeable when they buy something, trusting salesman is rarely a wise move whether it concerns golf clubs, cars, or anything else IMO.
Dave
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Oh ok, I just pulled up the PTX Pro and it had all of them listed. I wonder why it is different one iron to the next?
Ben Hogan golf seems like a company that makes nice stuff although I've never tried it. Everything looks good and those who buy them seem to really like them.
Dave
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I don't have Ben Hogan clubs, but they do have a demo program you can try that have their standard shafts available (Tour 90, Tour V, Dynamic Gold, Recoils).
Dave
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Golf courses in Illinois open on 5/1 and while I like the FDI it did not make the cut. I'm putting my 21* 816 H1 in the bag instead gapping between the 4 iron and 5 wood. I think it gives me better versatility and will strictly be used to cover a yardage range rather than tee use. I'm planning to use 3 wood or 5 wood off the tee on tight/risky par 4s.
I would have been better off buying the 21* FDI instead of the 19*.
Dave
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Fitting where to go?
in General Q&A
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My suggestion is that you may want to consider:
1. Benching the driver and primarily go with your 2H or 3H off the tee. The misses should be less wild and have fewer lost balls. Practice the driver on the range. Bring it back when it is working better.
2. Review your tee choice. Judging by your WITB, shaft selection, etc... it appears you have potential for good distance and I'd guess are playing longer tees.. Consider limiting yourself to no longer than 6,000 yards while you are improving your scores.
3. Short game and putting are probably your best way to get scores improved. Focus most of your practice time here.
If you can keep the ball in play and have a reasonable short game then playing bogey golf is reasonable even if you miss most greens. If you miss the green, chip on, and 2-putt then that is bogey golf.
I'm a 20 handicap who plays mostly easy courses. I keep my driver in play, but without much distance at only 210 yard average, and miss a lot of greens. I can generally get chips on the green and 2-putt.
Lost balls, wasted strokes around the green, and 3-putting are scorecard killers.
Dave