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13 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:
Sorry I am honestly a little confused about what you are trying to get at with the previous two posts.
Seems like you don't really like the release because not much has changed, but also feel that cycle over cycle aesthetics play the biggest role vs performance. Even if performance gains were minimal between the releases they are still gains. Whether it is MOI, slight shaping or turf interactions all these little tiny factors add up and can make much greater improvements (Just look at the Ping i line from ie1 - i200 - i210 - i230).There seems to be true excitement around this release and I don't believe it is just for looks.
As for the naming convention, truly couldn't careless. Names change, adapt and evolve over time. Maybe the 150 means something more than 100s maybe it is just the replacement. Either way we will have to wait a bit longer to hear the full story from Titleist.
You are right in the T200 seems to be their biggest area for improvement, however if you read the article MGS just did on these (all speculation) however if Titleist went down the TM route and had the T200 be the P770 and the T350 be the P790 they may have really caught onto something that many regular golfers are looking for.
As you said time will tell, but at least for me I won't assume anything about these irons till we see them in hand and hit them. For all we know Titleist could have some secret something tucked away in the heads which will all get us raving about their potential.
most Titleist releases bring excitement, that's no shock...especially AFTER you have had a very successful iron like the T100. The public is excited because they think an improvement on a great iron could be awesome.....but when you test em, the "improvements" are things the average player cannot really feel and definitely there is no scoring improvements, so whats left when the average golfer cannot tell MOI or turf interaction improvements? looks.....my point was these tiny changes mean nothing to the average player...but the LOOKS of it probably mean a whole lot more.
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3 minutes ago, StrokerAce said:
just curious - what is the "average" golfer? is there such a thing?
Stats show
For the average amateur adult male, 96 is what an average golf score looks like. For a woman, the average score is shooting a 108.
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Just now, JJames said:
I tried the T200 and they felt super clicky when I shot them, the feeling was not smooth.
when you flush them, they fly and feel like any other club but you have hit the sweet spot. even slightly Off center hits are definitely clicky.....but thats to be expected.
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33 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:
Passing judgement awfully quick before really knowing any of the true improvements they have made. Okay they may look similar and I agree the T200 are not my immediate favourite, however there are still way too many unknowns.
Not to mention the T100 and T100s were very well received so why would they make a huge change? Much like TSi3 to TSR3...
Obviously when you look at the history of "improvements" of irons, meaning within the same model, 99% of it is asthetics....1% performance. Over a 4-6 year period, that # may jump a little more but in reality, performance improvements with cavity backs is so minimal, the average player cannot tell the difference.
Do we know if this naming convention will stick around? will there be a 150-S next? These look beautiful but i really think Titleist struggles to connect with the average player out there and this doesnt help. I play the T100-S and love them but making them more "blendable" is not a big deal to most players either.
I play the T200 in 5 and 6 iron and literally have had no complaints except for the cheap plastic on them but they perform but I also realize this model had major room for improvement and i really dont see too much difference except maybe some tungsten in the toe....
time will tell how well these do but in my heart as a lifelong titleist guy, i still think they struggle with the average golfer outside of thier ball.
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Ill take the arrows on this......I dont get this release at all......
t100 is the same
T100s is now the T150 and a tad bit thicker topline and sole...most likely to blend better
T200 needed the biggest change and improvement but looks like they missed the mark.
the rest of the line up is questionable as Titleist has struggled to connect with the average golfer...
ive been a lifelong Titleist iron player and this release boggles my mind......
ill still buy em
2021 T100-S will now be sold.....lol
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we need to get the LEFT DOT in this test somehow
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Left dot
chromesoft x
2019 TP5
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as we know titleist makes a few different balls for tour players based on their needs and wants.....left dash, left dot. they had a V1 star as well.....some come to marekt as in the left dash and some will NEVER make it past the tour player.....the V1x+ is just a higher spinning V1X.....highly doubt you will ever see this in the market place
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Golf is supposed to be hard, challenging and impossible to master....unless there are wild boars and a sasquatch guarding the hole, nothing is "unplayable". Many golfers are divas
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We have seen extensive testing in the ball market, outlining performance and quality. Has testing on drivers and irons ever been conducted in the same manner? from a quality standpoint, who makes the best clubs? Titleist? Callaway? TM? Srixon?
I would be highly interested if there was a series of tests that could be performed on the quality of forgings, shafts, ect which outline the best made clubs......them tie that into performance.
iI often wonder if there is a real difference in the products that sell for 1000's of dollars, especially drivers that are now trending towards $1000+
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I wish there was a "wind test" to see which balls are really effected by winds in excess of 20 MPH.
I love the MAxfli tour ball but this and the BXS seem to really balloon on windy days for me while the left dot and the CSX seem to "cut through" much better.
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18 hours ago, onesipwonder said:
Hi towards end of last year I done a whole bag fitting with PXG. Still haven't bought anything yet. But I did buy a shaft that was recommended by the fitter. He said I should go with Riptide CB 5.5 60G with the 0211 driver.
I found this shaft at a web site call maple hill. Put it on my Sim 2 max. Have not try it yet, but I wonder if it will give me the same results
most likely will depending on how you feel about "results"
if the PXG shaft launches at 18 degrees with 2200 spin and the other shaft launches at 17 degrees with 2000 spin and you feel that makes a difference, then I guess its "legit"
if both shafts lead to a 260 yard total drive and both are in the fairway, who cares about the fitting.......ive played many clubs over the years...different shafts, lie anfgles, lofts ect.....everything has produced the same scoring results....ive putt with a tree branch and a scotty cameron and two putted with both lol.
ive said it 1000x, "fitting" is so subjective and overblown for most amateurs. The tiny differences in launch, spin and flex for most amateurs are not worth the money spent on fitting.....PXG may be legit but what will that do for you on the course? how will you score better? NOBODY can correlate that on any level...... Titleist has some of the industry's best fitters and ive been fit 3x by them.....scores remain the same.......
to me, BALL FITTING has much more of an impact than club fitting. #unpopularopinion
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On 5/12/2023 at 7:10 AM, drb1956 said:
And that's fine. Does not mean it is "BEST" for me......
thats not the title of the post.....if that were, nobody could answer that question except for you
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totally helps
thank you
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shortening the club changes the swing weight but i would 100% recommend it. The drivers of today are way to long for the average amateur......most pros dont play 46" drivers unless they are DJ at 6'3"...... if you are an average size human under 6 feet, a 44" driver is where you should be 1/2" on either side of that # should wrk just fine as well
Rory takes off a 1/2" and gained yardage from better strikes and speed.... i play mine at 44" and stiffened up the profile....shaft is borderline "boardy" in a PX black but its flies far and straight....no ballooning or radical mishits like i had with a 46" (advertised at 45.5""
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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:
Not at all.
Not sure what storm319 is referring to as far as potential scrap. There is no tolerance measurement for the build to include in San Diego when the HC were made there. So nothing is getting tossed because it’s x grams off spec weight or it’s torque is off.
I’ve gone thru the entire process at px from the design to the finished product, including my 1 of 1 driver shaft
i have an older hazards black.,.....super stiff but i find fairways......i think its time to upgrade into the new rdx line
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are we suggesting the PX shafts have gone downhill from a quality standpoint? im seeimg two tales of the tape...one saying MASS PRODUCES overseas and one saying BUILT SLOWER, NO QUOTA....
Arent PX shafts made in Mississippi?
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The box says "New and Improved" on the top left front, the box is totally different and the new balls have two arrows on each side of the ball name. the 2019 version had 1 arrow
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Rory Mcilroy just shortened his driver and it hitting it further......hitting more centered and gained some yards......with todays 46" shafts, im not sure how amateurs are supposed to get better. Not everything is about length when you spray it all over the course
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26 minutes ago, chisag said:
... It just isn't that simple or easy. Golf is so counter intuitive on many levels. Hit down to make the ball go up. If you are slicing it to the right, aiming to the left makes it even worse. The ignorance when it comes to golf equipment for the average player is just off the charts, understandable with all the technical marketing. I have played with so many that don't know what shaft they are playing, what weight or what flex. Someone with a smooth swing at around 90mph using a 9.5* loft, with a stiff tipped HZRDUS shaft in s-flex will probably find 10.5* of loft with a stock mid flex and softer tip in r-flex performs much better with better feel to boot.
... I am not saying everyone should drop $250 for a premium fitting but just going to Golf Galaxy, PGA SS or an OEM Demo Day can help them find equipment that works with their game, not against it.Before I had a pro fit me, i went to PGA SS for a "fitting" and it was so bad, I literally knew more than the "fitter"
i totally hear you and agree.....
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25 minutes ago, cnosil said:
Definitely could be. Another fitter might have put you in the CBs. As a lower handicap player, a fitting isn’t going to produce earth shattering results like it could for a higher handicap/beginner golfer. You could potentially play with grossly misfit clubs and shoot the best score you have ever shot. Unless we looked at detailed stats over hundreds of shots. I one could say if they helped or not…might have made you worse, might have narrowed your dispersion circles by a foot, or nothing changed at all.
People can make their own decisions about fitting and I totally get your perspective. It is sometimes hard to justify the expense based on slight improvement and not really being able to concretely show improvement in every round of golf.
no doubt and for a guy like me who has peaked and will NEVER shoot in the 60's, i feel its almost pointless. Im happy with how i play though. Its nothing competitive outside of our weekly league so im good with being a 75-78 player every week.
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2 hours ago, cnosil said:
We could ask this question about anything golf related. How does a club, shaft, glove, shoe, ball, swing, etc. directly relate to scoring. Like you said, it is difficult to quantify this; it isn’t a shot, hole, or round relevant evaluation. The only way it can be quantified is looking at scores over time and evaluating if your low scores are lower, you are having more low scores, your high scores are lower, or fewer high scores.
interesting that you bought clubs without actually swinging them or evaluating any aspect of the club. Not something I would do, especially after hitting all the various club configurations I do during most wanted testing. Some just don’t work well for me, have inconsistent results, and I believe would raise my scoring. Glad it worked for you, but I wouldn’t ever recommend a golfer; especially a beginner, walk into a store and buy a club without swinging the club and evaluating some level of performance.
a buddy of mine played CB's and i hit them a few times and loved them....so i bought them....
i figured id try to get fit by a pro since that is all the rage....i got fit onto the T100-S because these have more tech and are more "forgiving"......and I still shoot the same......still hit straight or a slight draw....still hit my wedges the same.....i love the T100-S and glad i bouht them but fitting didnt make one bit of difference for me......
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lol...yea but according to most marketing and testing, the ball can be a very big part of scoring improvements......definitely more than a $1500 set of irons