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I want to hear everyone's experiences that they may have had on fittings. Particularly if you had an outdoor vs indoor fitting for the same product within a short period of time, on how they went and the differences between the two. So as some may have read, I was one of the members chosen for the JPX 900 Iron Testing. I'll be reviewing/testing the Hot Metal version. We were even more fortunate that Mizuno was allowing us to send in our own specs and choose from anything on it's current custom offerings. So wanting to make sure I got properly fit irons for the test, so i could give solid accurate feedback, I wanted to go get fit by a certified Mizuno fitter who used the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer, see the pretty cool video of how they use it here. http://golf.mizunoeurope.com/blog/mizuno-challenges-6-golfers-to-the-swing-dna-iron-test/ So settle in this might get wordy....Even for me...HA I first called a place I had been fit before that has a reputation as one of the better fitters in the area. Of course he was off until Tuesday (this being Monday, and having a case of the "I want it now!!", I called a second place that I had heard of but never been to. They said come on down anytime today, so that's what I did. INDOOR FITTING In short this one was a very nice golf independent golf shop in the area, it has survived the glut of Big Box stores the past 15 years and has a very loyal local following. I was met by a young man who took me over and explained the process. Sounds good. Having watched the above and several other videos on Mizuno's Swing DNA system, I pretty much knew what he was saying. Well, in short it didn't go well at all. The Shaft Optimizer kept dying after every shot, so they had to charge it have me hit a shot and repeat The computer software wasn't working correctly, it didn't save all the info so the fitter said, he could probablyy remember the numbers from the 3 balls (the ones we had to wait 5 minutes between) and entered them manually Lastly, my swing was way off, I struggled to hit two consistent shots back to back. not that I was looking for perfect shots, but they didn't have some shafts in 1" over so I had to go with 1/2 in some which was tough to adjust to. All that said, I don't blame the young man at all, he himself was very frutstrated by things not working and just having conversation with him, I could tell he knew how to fit and knew his stuff. he was also very patient with me struggling to put solid shots together. Well the recommendations that we got from the Optimizer based on his memory Project X LZ 5.5 Nippon Modus Tour 105 Stiff Dynamic Gold R300 We hit all those and I immediately eliminated the DG based on it feeling to heavy. I currently have the Modus 105, so those felt familiar and the Project X LZ felt good as well. We went to look at the numbers and the only ones that saved were the PX, and he said I was getting too much spin and too high of flight on those. So his recommendation was the Modus 105. Which I was fine with as I have them in my 565/765. But all these shots were hit in a small bay that had no more than 6 to 8 feet of flight before hitting the net. Impossible to tell what the true flight was. Also a big thing I wanted to get right was what length he thought I should play as I've been alternating anywhere from 1/2 to 1" over depending on the OEM. He took my knuckle to floor measurement. Also for the lie, he was using lie tape and the lie board, but instead of leaving a mark like it usually does, half the tape was ripping off, so to me I didn't think it was giving a true indication of if the lie was correct or not. So instead of a print out of what everything was, he scribbled down on a piece of paper what the recommendations were. Now, again not all of this was his fault, as they had some technical issues. But at the very worst, I know OEM's provide fittings sheets, that he could have taken the time to at least compelte that as much as possible. For this I paid $45 Outdoor Fitting So the more I thought back on that, the less satisfied and 100% convinced that i had gotten the best information possible. So I went ahead and called my first choice and set an appointment for the following day. This is at a very nice range and was conducted outside in the private fitting/lesson area. I had worked with Jon before so he knew a bit about my game and we didn't' have to go through my profile or game ability. We got right to it. The Mizuno Shaft optimizer worked brilliantly from the start and he plugged the numbers into I-Pad. They spit out the following options. KBS C-Taper Lite 110 S Project X LZ 5.5 TT XP 115 S Honestly these options surprised me a bit, as I've always tended to play shafts between 95 to 105 grams, as my driver SS is in the low 90's and my iron ss in mid to upper 70's. However, Jon mentioned and has been pointed out during my Driver fitting last year, I have a very strong and fast move down, so a bit stiffer and more stable shaft suits me. Also he had irons in 1" over...THANK YOU!! So I didn't have to try and adjust my set up. Overall I was hitting the ball pretty solid with a few loose shots here and there, but certainly enough for him to see my natural tendencies (and also based on seeing me previously) The LM numbers between the C-Taper Lit and XP 115 were very close. Although to me the C-Taper Lite was much easier to swing, yes the 5 grams probably made a big difference. But I felt like I could feel the shaft getting through the swing more efficiently (loading better?) But one of the biggest things in the fitting came with the length and lie measurements. He used the same method of Lie measurement, with the tape on the sole, except these stayed in tact and showed I was hitting the ball flush in the center of the sole, with a 3 degree upright shaft. Interesting that I have been only going 2 degrees, but we noticed a slight reduction in my fade when we went from the 2 degree to 3 degree lie. He also mentioned to me that mizuno uses a 1/2 degree flatter lie as standard than most OEM's. So I was really going to need to add that to my spec. For length, the same thing with Mizuno, it's standard 6 iron is 1/4" shorter than most OEM. So when I measured 1" over on his PING fitting chart, we made that 1 1/4 inch for Mizuno. So factoring in the extra inch gives another degree upright, he gave me complete different specs than the previous fitter, who just gave me 1" over and 2 Up. John actually wrote out the exact specs 38 1/4" 6 iron length and 63.5 degree lie. BTW, I never would have thought I'd be in a C-Taper shaft at 110 grams...HA I tried the regular C-Tapers a couple years ago and it was like swinging a 2x4. I did a lot of reading on these C Taper lites, and they were perfectly placed between the Tour 90 and C Capers from what I read. I have had the KBS Tour 90 before and liked them a lot, but at times felt I hit them a bit too high. So these should give me more of a mid flight, which I'm excited about. I left there so much more confident that I was properly fit and that I'm getting the best shaft for me for these irons. For this I paid $0.00. I explained to John why I was getting the irons and that I wouldn't' be buying them there, and again offered to pay for his time and the fitting. He said, "Not at all!! Sounds like a great opportunity with Mizuno. Let me know how they work out for you. So if you're still with me, let's hear what you like and don't like about indoor and outdoor fittings. And if you've ever had two completely different experiences back to back like that.
So Mr_Theoo and I caught wind of a brand new Golf Galaxy opening up here in good ol' Ohio. Since its still like 2* outside (I saw 50* for the forecast next week!) there wasn't much else to do so we decided to go check it out. Mr_Theoo will have more info on the store and some of the other things we tested. It's funny that any of this happened today. Theoo and I met up for breakfast before we went to Golf Galaxy and most of our conversation revolved around the putter that xMassacrex recently bought and posted from Edel and how we wished there was an Edel fitter closer to us because we both loved the look and the story behind xMassacrex's putter. I'm also in the market for new wedges and really wanted to try the Edel wedges too. I know that Edel has been getting a lot of coverage on MSG lately and after my experience today I think they 100% deserve every bit of it they are getting. So we show up and Theoo was talking about the putting green he had heard of and that it was huge so we start wandering over in that direction. In the distance I see a very nice display with the word Edel on the side. I look at Theoo and ask him if he sees what I see. (He didn't. I swear I had to point it out to him about 3 times before he finally saw it.) So in our excitement we head over there to check it out. We were met by a gentleman who had an Edel shirt on who smiled and introduced himself. His name was Bobby Dean. So we start talking to him (at this point the display was still buttoned up) about putters and mentioned xMassacrex's and he knew exactly what we were talking about. Side note â€“ I starting talking to him about xMassacrex's story and he said that the person who posted it was really not supposed. I mentioned how cool I thought it was that xMassacrex saw his putter, thought how he wished it was his, only to find out that it was. A little about Bobby directly from the Edel website: Bobby Dean Director of Business Development Bobby took up the game of golf at a very early age in West Texas. He began his career in golf in 2002 by studying under Golf Magazine Top 100 Instructor and Golf Digest Top 10 Teacher Chuck Cook at Barton Creek Resort and Spa in Austin, Texas. Bobby was recruited by Edel Golf for his expertise in instruction, club fitting, and club design. Bobby became an Edel Certified Fitter in November 2004 and has since trained and developed over 90% of Edel's fitting and sales accounts worldwide. Bobby continues to play the lead domestic and international business development role at Edel in addition to serving as head club fitter and overseeing the training and development of new Edel Certified Fitters across the U.S. and the world. Anyways â€“ after talking for a little while he asks if we'd like to get fit. Uhh yes please! Theoo was up first. I took him a total of about 20 minutes to fit him. They look at many components while fitting. The first thing Bobby did was have Theoo grab a putter that was a close comparison to the one he games. He puts a mirror on the face of it and has him line up facing a green laser as in the picture below. The laser reflects off the putter face onto the black backdrop to show where you're aiming at alignment. From there he adjusts the actual putter head type, the lie angle, the hosel, the offset, etc. Once he has the laser directly in the center of the backdrop its time to weight the putter. To do this Bobby had him hit a string that he had laid out and the goal was the stop the ball at the string. When everything is said and done he gives you your measurements and you are free to order from them. It's a very cool process. Bobby did the same thing for me although it took him about 30 minutes to fit me. I was apparently more difficult. I haven't felt a putter like that ever (granted I've never been fit). However, that's not where the fun ended. We also told him that we had always wanted to hit the wedges but same story, because there isn't anywhere close we couldn't. Luckily for us, he brought a few along just incase anyone inquired. He took about 20 minutes or so with us on the range to help us figure out the grind we should be looking at based on our swings. I have to say that I'm in love with the putter and I will (once the funds are in place) invest in an Edel putter sometime soon, however, the wedges are what really won me over. I've hit all sorts of wedges but I've never hit a wedge that felt as crisp and right as this. I'm a very steep player so I tend to take beaver pelts with most of my wedges. I also have a tendency to chunk my wedges quite a bit as well. He put me into the digger grind and oh man that thing is amazing. I can't wait to purchase a few wedges from them as well. It was a very eventful day and I will say that Bobby from Edel is an absolute gentleman and a scholar. If you ever get the chance to work with him at all you will not be disappointed. I will also say that if you are in the market for a putter or a wedge anytime to try and find a fitter. If you have to drive I'd even say that its worth it at this point. I'm really not trying to sound like a homer but everything they do and put they name on is really top notch. The only thing we weren't able to hit were the irons. We're trying to talk Bobby into bringing them back to Columbus at some point but we'll see if that happens. If they are anything like what I hit today I have to image that they are awesome!
I had my first true fitting. This may be different then what others have gone through for a fitting but I enjoyed my experience. I live in South Jersey and there are not too many club fitters around here. When deciding to get fit for new irons i wanted to make sure the fitter used Trackman so I looked around. There was one fitter 5 minutes from my house who is a Golf Digest Top 100 fitter. I have been in his shop a few times for different things and just knew our personalities didn't sync up to do a club fitting. I found another fitter about 80 miles away with a trackman and called the shop. After talking with the fitter on the phone I knew this is where i wanted to go. I showed up for the fitting the first weekend in March and it was actually a beautiful day after the terrible winter we are still going through. I go into the shop and he has a great back room set up for fittings. The room was a golf man cave we all dream of or the place where we could all see ourselves hanging out on a rainy or cold day to get our golf fix in. It had a leather couch for anyone who would come with you or even yourself to relax and recoup on, a bar on one wall no drinks though, and practice green area for putter fittings, two bays with the trackman set up on one and tool chests with his other fitting tools around the hitting bays. The first thing he does is have me warm up while he sets up the Trackman. He allowed me to use the B330 S I am testing so I could get numbers for the review. While I was warming up we talked about my game and created a very relaxed atmosphere with no pressure. I went for a iron fitting, a driver fitting to fine tune my driver and 3 wood, as well as gapping for my bag and wedge selection. The only new clubs I was going to walk out with were new irons and new wedges. I also knew i would most likely be reshafting my driver. While I was warming up he went through my bag and check the spec on the clubs I would be testing with that day. After watching me warmup he was able to narrow me down to 4 shafts off the bat. KBS C-taper S, KBS Tour S, TT S300, and Project X 6.0. The project X was the last one and he did that just to see but knew that it wasn't the fit for me. After hitting the two shafts it came down to the C-Taper and the KBS Tour. Both felt very smooth to me but the KBS Tour felt the best to me it just felt right. Now to deciding which head was the one for me. I hit the AP2, Apex Pro, and MP-54. All three heads felt great. I could have walked out with any of the three and been happy. So for me it became nitpicking. The AP2s were taken out of the equation because of the price of the upcharge for the KBS tour shafts. It then came down to the MP-54 and the Apex Pro. Both felt great, smooth, crisp, and performed great. It seemed like I couldn't miss a shot with them. He also let me take them both outside to the range to hit them on the range with some real balls so i could see the flight outside. Long story short on the Iron choosing it came down to look and sound and price since performance was nearly the same and the winner is the Apex Pro. No upcharge and great feel. Next we went to the driver fitting where used my Ping G25 head and the fitting shafts he had. Once again he speced everything right in front of me and told explained what he was doing answer all my questions. Working within my budget he found a 3 wood and driver combo for me of the Diamana Ahina 70 g driver shaft and 80g 3 wood. The heavier shaft was just great. I can't say enough good things about my experience. While i was hitting the irons i mentioned how i wanted to try the Pure DTX grip so he had his other employee go and put one on one of the fitting shafts I would be using to try. I though i would get to feel it but not swing with it. He also helped gapped out my 4 iron, hybrid, and 3 wood. I cannot say enough good things about my experience. I got exactly what i was hoping out of it. I was not looking for other clubs i knew what i was looking at and he helped set me up in the best combo.