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Thanks for the feedback of hitting an off the rack driver just ok :)

Hey, I'm sensing a theme to your posts. ;)

 

In all fairness, our experience with any product has to start somewhere. I think after a range session and 18 holes, he could at least tell if he liked a $399 driver enough to throw away the inferior (supposedly) stock shaft and drop another $300 worth of aftermarket shaft into it. He didn't say its horrible. Just not markedly better. Same thing I have said (aside from horrible feel. Yes, I did use the horrible word.) That's as fair as one can be without dropping major coin. B)

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Awesome. What's your spin rate with it, by the way? Are you sub-2K? My concern for flight stability comes at under 2K spin. When other pros are commenting on Rory and the difference between 2100 and 2800 with his drivers and the impact on his shots holding their line, I thought it worth bringing up, and my one driver I did not spin enough did get pushed about by the wind also, so my own experience kinda backs it up for me, anyway.

 

60 yards difference seems like a lot in a 17 MPH wind, no? I'm usually thinking I'm spinning it too much if I see such results. Yards lost to wind is normal, but not 60 yards in an optimal setup.

My spin is right around 1900rpm. I observed the opposite affect, I thought my ball held it's line better with less spin. As Blade said I was losing/gaining 30yds with the wind, add in that it was a 17mph constant, with 25mph gusts and you get the larger disparity. I can tell you this, I've never hit 11-13 FWs with any driver before. I'm really excited to play this thing in dry, less windy conditions.

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My spin is right around 1900rpm. I observed the opposite affect, I thought my ball held it's line better with less spin. As Blade said I was losing/gaining 30yds with the wind, add in that it was a 17mph constant, with 25mph gusts and you get the larger disparity. I can tell you this, I've never hit 11-13 FWs with any driver before. I'm really excited to play this thing in dry, less windy conditions.

Were you the guy that was the one that was closest to getting to 17/1700?

I don't doubt it will work and hold its line for someone who can achieve that launch condition. I just don't see many Ams being able to hit those parameters though. 3.5 handicap; I'd think you would hit a fair amount of fairways already? Can we call you "Seve?" :lol:

 

Watching the TM SLDR "white board drawings" commercials, I can't help but have a distinct feeling of Yogi Berra de ja va all over again. Since when is high launch low spin a "new" idea? It's been around for years. I guess they're just casting a drag net for anyone who hadn't paid attention long ago? :huh:

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My spin is right around 1900rpm. I observed the opposite affect, I thought my ball held it's line better with less spin. As Blade said I was losing/gaining 30yds with the wind, add in that it was a 17mph constant, with 25mph gusts and you get the larger disparity. I can tell you this, I've never hit 11-13 FWs with any driver before. I'm really excited to play this thing in dry, less windy conditions.

Same here. I got and played Friday and loved what I saw in terms of how my shots handled the wind.

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Were you the guy that was the one that was closest to getting to 17/1700?

I don't doubt it will work and hold its line for someone who can achieve that launch condition. I just don't see many Ams being able to hit those parameters though. 3.5 handicap; I'd think you would hit a fair amount of fairways already?

Yes, I was at 16.8°/1900rpm. I'm not a typical 3.5, I hit it long, then scramble. My home course is a 7300yd links course where I can bomb and gouge to a good score, get me on a tighter course and I play to about a 12......hopefully that changes this season.

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Again though is go back to the Rory thing. He wants a certain amount of spin because he wants to and indeed at his level on the courses he plays must be able to work the ball. Less spin means less curve which is better for almost all of us, so long as we launch it high enough.

 

Having written that clearly Rick knows enough about equipment to fit himself properly and assess whether or not it's worth shelling out 4 bills for the club.

 

If the SLDR were so superior you'd see it in every tour players bag. I saw the normal mix of equipment including tons of ping drivers on my day at the valspar. Lots of G25s actually.

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If the SLDR were so superior you'd see it in every tour players bag. I saw the normal mix of equipment including tons of ping drivers on my day at the valspar. Lots of G25s actually.

 

There is a lot of cash handed out to play clubs per event. Even if a club was superior, I don't think it could reach 100% use.

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Well, I decided on which SLDR to keep. The 430 12* is in the bag with the ProjectX LZ Prototype. And it's a naaaaaasty combo

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There is a lot of cash handed out to play clubs per event. Even if a club was superior, I don't think it could reach 100% use.

That's what I get for engaging in hyperbole. My bad. Regardless I think it's a great club, the point I'm trying to make is there are other great clubs too. As you can see I'm bagging an SLDR. However not every TMag guy was. I still saw some R1s and I think an R11 s out there.

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That's what I get for engaging in hyperbole. My bad. Regardless I think it's a great club, the point I'm trying to make is there are other great clubs too. As you can see I'm bagging an SLDR. However not every TMag guy was. I still saw some R1s and I think an R11 s out there.

 

That sure is true. I've seen a lot of older generation clubs in the tmag bags lately. Would love to be a fly on the wall in the tour van for a day on tuesday and wednesday before a tournament.

 

 

There's actually not as much pay for play as there used to be

 

That is not surprising. There was a time where a lot of money was exchanging hands.

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Color me confused then

 

 

I hit a ball on a rope. Very low launch angle, still 200+ carry and a lot of roll.  Sometimes 60-80 yards worth of roll.  Some guys from here who have played golf with me, JBones, MBP, BestGrips think a high launch shaft with a 12-14 degree head would make me a bomber, well, better driver of the ball than I am now. 

 

I am not sure how most stock shafts are chosen, I am not sure if they chose what fits most golfers or what is cheapest but I do know that since I require a specific shaft, and it is not generally offered off the rack then I am in no way surprised when I do not have good results with a new driver. 

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 Some guys from here who have played golf with me, JBones, MBP, BestGrips think a high launch shaft with a 12-14 degree head would make me a bomber, well, better driver of the ball than I am now. 

 

 I hit your driver once during the TO. Judging by my "expert" calculations, you need to be in the 13* range with the SLDR.

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 I hit your driver once during the TO. Judging by my "expert" calculations, you need to be in the 13* range with the SLDR.

 

And there you have it, straight from the horse's @$$, mouth.  I meant mouth all the time.

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And there you have it, straight from the horse's @$$, mouth.  I meant mouth all the time.

 

HA! I have always heard there are more horse's @$$es than horses.

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Fair is fair. I finally got to take a swipe (singular) with a SLDR 12º head yesterday which belonged to the guy I was paired with for my round. The 9.5 and 10.5 felt totally different to me than the 12º. Lighter, crisp yet nice face flex at impact this time. NOW I can see how people say it feels good. I doubt it was anywhere optimal for me (all I know it was the stock regular flex) but the launch height was good and it went dead straight. I just wanted to see if there was any hope for this club in 12º and if I could get adequate launch with it and it passed and the feel was good enough I'd now want to explore it further. Very surprised just how much the impact feel improved with the added loft. Have never had 1.5º of anything make that much difference in a club. That was really my biggest concern with the SLDR was the impact feel of the 9.5 and 10.5. Night and day with the 12º.

 

Have some XTD Forged and Pro hybrids on the way, and will probably add one of these to round out my "slotted" Ernie Els-inspired 2014 bag.

 

Guy I was playing with hit it well on some, and needed a little more help on others. He nabbed it off Ebay and hadn't moved any of the settings. I think the 14º would have fit him very well. Little low with the 12º for him.

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It is amazing how how you have to go Mr. divots. Mine flies so high and then......it hits, bounces and rolls out.

 

Tell your friend to go up and move two clicks towards fade with every up click he makes, as a start. I'm actually hitting my driver in the 250 range. That is where I was at when I moved here 8 years ago. I've crossed over the 50 and 55 boundaries since that time.

 

Btw I hit a friends hot x extreme and was right out with my SLDR with it. Clearly drivers have made a huge jump in technology. The issue I would have with the Callaway long term is the shaft is too long for my taste.

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Hit one 325 on #18 on Friday with the Bio Cell+. Not exactly expecting any yardage increases with SLDR. But it did feel sooo much better in the 12º. I often think the golf balls and their advances are overshadowed by driver talk.

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Hit one 325 on #18 on Friday with the Bio Cell+. Not exactly expecting any yardage increases with SLDR. But it did feel sooo much better in the 12º. I often think the golf balls and their advances are overshadowed by driver talk.

See the thread on biggest technological advances. I agree with you.

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